Pleeb's rant about minds and crap

[TULPA] Pleeb: The brain is literally always simulating consciousness.
[TULPA] Pleeb: Whenever you think, "I wonder how X would respond to this" and imagine them doing so,
[TULPA] Pleeb: You're simulating consciousness.
[TULPA] Pleeb: It's at a very low level, as it's just deduction, but,
[TULPA] Pleeb: Imagine writing a book.
[TULPA] Pleeb: And you're working out what the characters would do in x-situation.
[TULPA] Pleeb: When I would write, I would work out in my head entire scenarios, and work out watching how my main character would react, based on his personalitiy, within the storyline.
[TULPA] Pleeb: And some authors have professed that it seems like their characters come to life at times.

[TULPA] Pleeb: Sock knows this quite well, and has even tracked down many authors who end up w ith something of a tulpa based on their own characters.
[TULPA] Pleeb: These are people who have never heard of a tulpa, before.
[TULPA] Pleeb: What I would consider these things, are seed consciousnessess.
[TULPA] Pleeb: Essentially something of a 'proto tulpa'
[TULPA] Pleeb: From a dream character to an intrusive thought.
[TULPA] Pleeb: Quora was created by Twi (another tulpa) rping Quroa in a chat room.
[TULPA] Pleeb: And Quora came into existance, almost dissapated, held on with everything she had, and eventually kept her existance.
[TULPA] Pleeb: But I digress.
[TULPA] Pleeb: I talk about early tulpas in my lecture,
[TULPA] Pleeb: I talk about how it's possible for them to dissipate early on because they might be new/weak networks.
[TULPA] Pleeb: If you are just thinking for a split second, "I wonder how X would respond to Y?" and work out a scenario in your head,
[TULPA] Pleeb: Those networks that are utilized to do that don't last very long.  They're only stimulated for a moment and that's all for that consciousness.
[TULPA] Pleeb: However, what if you start stimulating a network even futher?
[TULPA] Pleeb: Tess's origins were from this story, Tess wasn't even a main character, just a random AI running the ship.
[TULPA] Pleeb: But that was enough to create something of a 'proto tulpa', essentially.
[DFC] Flutterbitch: Mhmm
[TULPA] Pleeb: And that consciousness was brought out a few other times, it was retained.
[TULPA] Pleeb: Until the body was without one,
[DFC] Flutterbitch: I know exactly what you're getting at
[TULPA] Pleeb: And Tess was then brought into control.
[TULPA] Pleeb: Which stimulated her neuro pathways even more, further stabalizing her as a consciousness.
[TULPA] Pleeb: This is essentially how a consciousness is formed, I believe.
[TULPA] Pleeb: Even if you follow certain cases of DID/MPD where a consciousness is formed out of trauma, it's usually based on much dwelling, and futher, active disasociation of something.
[DFC] Flutterbitch: Mhmmmm
[TULPA] Pleeb: You're essentially still stimulating pathways, and you're making those pathways dependent.
[TULPA] Pleeb: Once you have dependence, you have a seperate, dependent, personality.
[TULPA] Pleeb: Not just something you're thinknig, "if X does Y" but rather, the consciousness X itself dictates Y.
[TULPA] Pleeb: I see no difference between a tulpa and an "alter" from a DID-case.
[TULPA] Pleeb: The only difference is the memory situation, which can be remedied.
[DFC] Flutterbitch: Yeah
[TULPA] Pleeb: One of the classic treatment for MPD, by people in the field who first believed that they were their own people and not just dissacoiated identiites,
[TULPA] Pleeb: Was to try and get all of the 'alters' out at once, for proper communication/coexistance.
[DFC] Flutterbitch: When I'm writing I've always simulated my character's decisions in my head to make sure they were right. As in just let my head go with it. Eve before all of the psionics and tupers.
[TULPA] Pleeb: And you would be left with something similar to a tulpa, with each person in the body usually having their own sort of rules and coexistance within the system.
[TULPA] Pleeb: Purlox writes a nice article on tulpas and multiplicity.
[TULPA] Pleeb: Wrote*
[TULPA] Pleeb: But yes, some systems are fluid than others, and some brains are quicker and creating consciousnessess, i'd imagine.
[DFC] Flutterbitch: righ
[TULPA] Pleeb: Just like some people can learn a new language in a very, very, short amount of time, while for other, it takes longer.
[TULPA] Pleeb: I could argue a consciousness can be created in a few moments, though the question is, how reliant is that consciousness on your giving them attention?
Tesseract: Depends on the brain, but it's viable.
Tesseract: Case in point: Morgan.
[TULPA] Pleeb: However, that reliance period can be quicker or longer, depending on, what's the word, neuroplasticity?
[DFC] Flutterbitch: Mhmm
Tesseract: I'm not sure she ever had a proper reliance period, she was fairly independent from the outset.
[DFC] Flutterbitch: Anyways wait
[DFC] Flutterbitch: What are we getting at again
[TULPA] Pleeb: Origin of a consciousness.
[DFC] Flutterbitch: Riiigggghhht
[TULPA] Pleeb: I'm just saying my theory on the matter.
[DFC] Flutterbitch: As in from the birth of a human being, or from seperate consciousness?
[TULPA] Pleeb: From a neuroscientific point of view.
[TULPA] Pleeb: Well, I see no difference between my consciousness and Chess's.
[DFC] Flutterbitch: Right
[TULPA] Pleeb: So mine most likely formed in some similar way,
[DFC] Flutterbitch: Makes sense
Tesseract: how would that way be, though?
Tesseract: We should try to rationalize it.
[TULPA] Pleeb: And I actually mention this in my lecture.
[TULPA] Pleeb: When a child is born, what is the state of their consciousness?R
[TULPA] Pleeb: And without the stimulation/attention from parents (doing essentially what we've done for an additional consciousness), what would become of us?
[TULPA] Pleeb: Well, feral children seem to just run on instinct.
[TULPA] Pleeb: And those children from Romania weren't able to process intimate connections with people.
[TULPA] Pleeb: Your experiences build your consciousness, and for the first consciousness in the body, those experiences would have to be mostly external early on.
[TULPA] Pleeb: Until independence for internalizing things happens.
[DFC] Flutterbitch: Mhmmm
[TULPA] Pleeb: My very first memory was when I was probably between 1 1/2 to 2 years old.
Tesseract: What plants the seed of that consciousness, though?
[TULPA] Pleeb: For most people, this is the case.
[TULPA] Pleeb: Even with a tulpa looking back to find the first one on record.
[TULPA] Pleeb: This is probably around the point you really start to form connections with your consciousness and memory and stuff.
[TULPA] Pleeb: Before that, you might be running on instinct.
[TULPA] Pleeb: Tess,
[TULPA] Pleeb: It could be a single thought generated at some point naturally in the brain, a thought that eventually evolves,
[TULPA] Pleeb: (what is a thoughtform?  A thought, given attention)
[DFC] Flutterbitch: I'm thinking that instinct is just hardcoded at birth
[DFC] Flutterbitch: As in when the brain is formed int eh womb
[TULPA] Pleeb: That was what I was about to say.
[TULPA] Pleeb: It could just be something hardcoded to start generating the seed of the initial consciousness.
[DFC] Flutterbitch: Which would mean that the consciousness developing after memories and such could form would make perfect sense
[TULPA] Pleeb: Who knows, your brain seems to do it often, maybe it just did it for one reason or another,
[TULPA] Pleeb: And that 'thing' that was simulated managed to be the one that became me.
[TULPA] Pleeb: And yeah, consciousness devolped after memories.
[TULPA] Pleeb: Could be possible.
[TULPA] Pleeb: Could just be, the brain works that way.
[TULPA] Pleeb: It takes things in, it processess it,
[TULPA] Pleeb: Eventually order starts to come out of that processessing.
[TULPA] Pleeb: Eventually those neurons start causing some thought to stay a litle longer than the others,
[TULPA] Pleeb: And it builds strength.
[TULPA] Pleeb: And you have a mind!
[DFC] Flutterbitch: Yeahp
[TULPA] Pleeb: Or, something of a 'proto consciousness' -- similar to what a storybook character is.
[TULPA] Pleeb: However, it's getting attention, there's nothing else there to take that attention.
[TULPA] Pleeb: Meanwhile, you have external influences; your parents are providing you with a lot of stimualtion.
[TULPA] Pleeb: Clair took a lot of stimulation from the TV, iirc.
[TULPA] Pleeb: Chess took in stimulation from my long walks, talking to her about things.
[TULPA] Pleeb: Tess probably had some stimulation here and there in kat's head, then a decent amount when she was thrown into control.
[TULPA] Pleeb: But yeah...
[TULPA] Pleeb: \brain
[TULPA] Pleeb: And all that neat stuff.
[TULPA] Pleeb: Though, then there's indepedence.
[TULPA] Pleeb: I talked about that in my lecture.
[TULPA] Pleeb: Chess can be ignored by me, but she's not going anywhere.
[TULPA] Pleeb: I would have to put conscious effort into actively trying to suppress her, and even then, unless she's going along with it,
[TULPA] Pleeb: She's independent.
[DFC] Flutterbitch: right
[TULPA] Pleeb: At least to the point where I haven't tulpaforced in about a year.
[TULPA] Pleeb: I mean, I do things once in aw while,
[TULPA] Pleeb: But nothing big.
[TULPA] Pleeb: Not like I used to.
[TULPA] Pleeb: And I'm not even talking about meta stuff (which I found helped her get even more independent)
[TULPA] Pleeb: But from a neuroscience point of view,
[TULPA] Pleeb: The very fact that she /thinks/ means that those networks are being stimulated.
[DFC] Flutterbitch: Mhmm
[TULPA] Pleeb: I think that's about it, really... any questions?
[DFC] Flutterbitch: Not really, no
[DFC] Flutterbitch: I do have to say that we think alike on a frighteningly similar level sometimes though Pleeb
[DFC] Flutterbitch: Anyways i've got to go now'
[DFC] Flutterbitch: Thank you for the chat, it's been nice talking to Tess again, and catching up with y'all
[DFC] Flutterbitch: And shit
[DFC] Flutterbitch: Anyways bye all