Archimtiros - Today at 12:02 AM
I dunno, it depends on how you quantify just as bad
as a person, maybe not
as a politician, maybe not even
as a trustworthy politician? Certainly worse. Trump may be stupid, but the realities of the white house set in, he'll say "lets deport all muslims" and the nat sec advisor, sec state and homeland will laugh in his face and that'd be the end of it
And since the president doesn't have that power, with or without the other houses support, I feel relatively safe that it would end there
Macrologia - Today at 12:04 AM
Why do you think the realities of the white house will set in and he'll mellow down? He's been a megalomaniac public figure for years
And why do you think he's trustworthy, just because Clinton isn't?
He lies all the time
Archimtiros - Today at 12:04 AM
I didn't say he'd mellow, I'm sure he'll be just as crass and ridiculous as always
Macrologia - Today at 12:04 AM
He spouts complete bullshit all the time
Archimtiros - Today at 12:04 AM
But he won't actually be able to accomplish the ludicrious things he says
Because the president can't do whatever he wants, despite popular opinion
Macrologia - Today at 12:05 AM
Stop bringing 'popular opinion' into this
I don't give a shit what ignorant people who don't know anything about how government works think about how government works
Of course he can't do 'whatever he wants'
But he can do things that I don't think he should be able to do
Archimtiros - Today at 12:05 AM
I think the list of bodies left behind in the wake of the Clinton's political careers speaks worlds as for how trustworthy she is(edited)
Macrologia - Today at 12:05 AM
I didn't say Clinton was trustworthy
The email thing proves she isn't
Why would that mean that Trump is trustworthy?
Archimtiros - Today at 12:06 AM
From a relative point of view, yes
Macrologia - Today at 12:06 AM
Because he "says what he means and doesn't care"? He lies all the fucking time
Archimtiros - Today at 12:06 AM
He's actually quite straightforward
Macrologia - Today at 12:06 AM
You're not basing that on anything
No, he's straightforward about his disgusting opinions on things
He lies about facts all the time
Or is just completely misinformed, which isn't necessarily any better
And he does flip flop on his stances on things a fair amount
Less than Clinton probably, but nearly all politicans do that all the time
Archimtiros - Today at 12:07 AM
He has, I think every politician has
I didn't say that he was completely trustworth
I said he was moreso
Macrologia - Today at 12:07 AM
The point being, Trump isn't 'more trustworthy than Clinton'
Archimtiros - Today at 12:07 AM
that's subjective
Point being
there are reasons to support either/or
Macrologia - Today at 12:08 AM
And why would being 'more trustworthy than the other candidate' be a good basis on which to vote for a horrific individual with disgusting opinions and disgusting policies?
Archimtiros - Today at 12:08 AM
Because the persons disgusting opinions aren't the full picture
Macrologia - Today at 12:08 AM
No they're not
Archimtiros - Today at 12:09 AM
Because what happens in governing is more important to me than what he personally believes
it wouldn't be the first time we had a president, or someone in power, with disgusting personal views
and it won't be the last
If someone supported Trump because they really think he has a good idea when he says "kick out all the minorities", then yeah, I'd think they were an idiot
Macrologia - Today at 12:09 AM
But you're saying that the 'good reasons to support trump' outweigh the 'good reasons to not support trump' by a bigger margin than the 'good reasons to support clinton' outweigh the 'good reasons no to support clinton'
Archimtiros - Today at 12:10 AM
But I wouldn't condemn someone for having a logical and reasoned idea for supporting either candidate either
I'm saying that the good reasons to support trump outweigh the good reasons to support clinton
there are good and bad for both
In truth, I don't like either of them, I'd have happily rather had another candidate who wasn't scrapped from the bottom of the barrel, but this is what we were left with
And I think this is exactly why people are so afraid to talk about politics, there's too much of a "my way or the highway" mentality. "If you don't agree with me you're wrong, against everything I stand for, and we can't be friends"; despite the fact that it only comes up once every 4 years
Macrologia - Today at 12:14 AM
that's completely retarded
wtf
i have plenty of friends with whom i disagree politically
and i'm still friends with them
Archimtiros - Today at 12:14 AM
It is retarded
and I didn't say you were doing it
Macrologia - Today at 12:14 AM
no, what you said was retarded
but if one of them legitimately supported a disgusting person with disgusting policies, i would have to reconsider my friendship with them
because it's just their political view, and we can keep it separate" is total nonsense
Archimtiros - Today at 12:15 AM
So... if you disagree with them politically, you can still be friends with them
but if they support a disgusting person you can't?
Macrologia - Today at 12:15 AM
it means that they value those things, plus the other 'good things' about the candidate, more than they disvalue the opponents' negatives
Archimtiros - Today at 12:15 AM
That seems contradictory
Macrologia - Today at 12:15 AM
i can still be friends with someone with whom i have 'political differences', broadly speaking(edited)
Archimtiros - Today at 12:15 AM
And I don't think anyone wholly and completely supports everything about any candidate in any election of any country
Macrologia - Today at 12:16 AM
but i would not be friends with someone who e.g. hated gay people
i would also not be friends with someone who voted for someone who hated gay people(edited)
where that hatred of gay people would tend towards decreasing civil rights for gay people in a major nation
Archimtiros - Today at 12:17 AM
Well I expressed that I (don't support but would rather take) support Trump rather than Hilary, so I guess you get to decide whether that makes me a terrible human being or not
Macrologia - Today at 12:17 AM
Yes I do get to decide what my opinion of you is based on that
Archimtiros - Today at 12:17 AM
Vel already did. And I'm tired of you people judging me for things
Macrologia - Today at 12:18 AM
I get to judge you for whatever reason I like and you get to do the same
That's how people form opinions of each other
Archimtiros - Today at 12:18 AM
I meant specifically whether you think that equates to "disagree politically" or "reconsider friendship because they support disgusting XYZ"
Again, that "my way or the highway" mentality that is so prevalent today
Macrologia - Today at 12:19 AM
Re-using a phrase over and over doesn't make it make any more sense
Archimtiros - Today at 12:19 AM
I don't see what confuses you about it
Macrologia - Today at 12:19 AM
I don't only have friends who agree with me about everything
Archimtiros - Today at 12:19 AM
I didn't say you did
I said it's a common mentality among people today
Go look at twitter at all the people who say "If you support X, unfollow me now"
that's a clear example
Macrologia - Today at 12:19 AM
Firstly
People get to decide who they like talking to and who they want to interact with etc, for whatever reason they like
"We have deep fundamental differences about what the world should be like" is a better reason than most
Archimtiros - Today at 12:20 AM
Nobody said they didn't
Macrologia - Today at 12:20 AM
You're clearly condemning the '"my way or the highway" mentality'(edited)
Archimtiros - Today at 12:21 AM
Under the circumstance that I laid out, the context of the conversation, yes, I am
I believe in being openminded, but that's just me
Macrologia - Today at 12:21 AM
I also believe in being open-minded, I don't see how that is relevant