20:00  @Orinda          • Mikrobi
20:00  @Orinda          • just to let you know
20:00  @Orinda          • I won't return Swiss region
 20:00  &[eBMPO]Shadow   • oki Orinda
 20:00  &[eBMPO]Shadow   • oki

20:03  +Cookies_Crisp   • Orinda you do realize that you are undermining Hungary with that?
 20:04  @Orinda          • do you realize that romania will propose NE on us
 20:04  @Orinda          • and take our regions
 20:04  @Orinda          • who will help us defend, you?
 20:04  @Orinda          • like Hungarian originals, right?
 20:04  &[eBMPO]Shadow   • wait wait
 20:04  &[eBMPO]Shadow   • dont u got NAP
 20:04  &[eBMPO]Shadow   • ?
 20:04  &[eBMPO]Shadow   • or u got just NAP when you need to atack them
 20:04  +Cookies_Crisp   • Orinda you have a NAP
 20:04  +Cookies_Crisp   • as i understood :P
 20:04  &[eBMPO]Shadow   • and when u got to defend u dont have a nap ?
 20:04  @Orinda          • we don't have a NAP NAP
 20:05  @Orinda          • we have a deal with president
 20:05  &[eBMPO]Shadow   • that tell them
 20:05  &[eBMPO]Shadow   • how we dont help ONE to delete you
 20:05  @Orinda          • anyway, i will contact Romania
 20:05  &[eBMPO]Shadow   • now u will do the same favour to us
 20:05  @Orinda          • but nice from Hungary, that they are puting us in this position
 20:06  &[eBMPO]Shadow   • ah rly
 20:06  &[eBMPO]Shadow   • ?
 20:06  &[eBMPO]Shadow   • and when u put them
 20:06  &[eBMPO]Shadow   • in this situation
 20:06  @Orinda          • don't worry, i will fix this
 20:06  &[eBMPO]Shadow   • what should they talk ?
 20:06  @Orinda          • but i will make sure we won't give back swiss region
 20:06  &[eBMPO]Shadow   • its 1-1
 20:06  @Orinda          • so tell them to find another way
 20:06  &[eBMPO]Shadow   • oki u dont get it back
20:06  &[eBMPO]Shadow   • oki
 20:06  ~gid1            • Orinda: u can't be part of team and not follow the bench :)
 20:06  &[eBMPO]Shadow   • Orinda:
 20:06  ~gid1            • u broke every possible rule
 20:06  ~gid1            • all countries are respecting
 20:06  ~gid1            • for year
 20:06  +Cookies_Crisp   • Orinda im sure you enjoyed when ONE fought for you
 20:06  ~gid1            • in this alliance
 20:07  +Cookies_Crisp   • but when it's time to help a friend
 20:07  +Cookies_Crisp   • ...
 20:07  ~gid1            • u see sometimes we don't like what we do but we still do it as we are playing as team and this is all we want to do here
 20:08  ~gid1            • main error is this TW u started without any consultation with anyone
 20:08  ~gid1            • in worst possible moment and one sided...
 20:08  ~gid1            • without trying to coordinate attacks
 20:09  ~gid1            • in moments when there is no importance for allies
 20:09  ~gid1            • and one of 4 basic rules is no NE is allowed without consultation
 20:09  ~gid1            • so u put me in a very bad position
 20:09  ~gid1            • no country ever behaved like this since we created alliance
 20:09  ~gid1            • ...
 20:10  ~gid1            • so nobody had to do anything about it
 20:10  @Orinda          • austria will voted down the proposal
 20:10  ~gid1            • what proposal?
 20:10  @Orinda          • NE
 20:10  ~gid1            • i speak about war Slovenia Croatia
 20:10  @Orinda          • http://www.erepublik.com/en/Austria/law/98046
 20:10  +Cookies_Crisp   • he knows
 20:11  @Orinda          • hungarians talked to austrians to propose NE on us
 20:11  @Orinda          • without letting us know about it
 20:11  @Orinda          • Vreath to 0rinda | 8 minutes ago
 20:11  @Orinda          • We will try to vote it down but i thought that this plan was approved by you, seems there was some missunderstanding, sorry for putting you in trouble mate!
 20:11  @Orinda          • ---
 20:11  ~gid1            • i will check that issue too...
 20:12  ~gid1            • can u tell me something about these issues i mentioned'
 20:12  ~gid1            • ?
 20:13  ~gid1            • and your idea of how to keep things up as this way they simply cannot?
 20:13  ~gid1            • Orinda: ?
 20:13  @Orinda          • what are you talkin about?
 20:13  @Orinda          • haven't read the logs above
 20:13  ~gid1            • oh
 20:14  ~gid1            • i said that u simply cannot play as part of team and do what u want all the time
 20:14  ~gid1            • no country does that
 20:14  ~gid1            • sometimes we don't like it but we go for it
 20:14  ~gid1            • because we are team
20:14  ~gid1            • and i said that
 20:14  @Orinda          • what specific are you talkin about?
 20:14  ~gid1            • by NEing croatia
 20:14  ~gid1            • u broke one of 4 basic rules
 20:14  ~gid1            • of alliance
 20:14  @Orinda          • everything for Don
 20:15  ~gid1            • well yes but u HAD TO contact HQ, make deal about it
 20:15  ~gid1            • program battles
 20:15  ~gid1            • in order to take place when not needed
 20:15  @Orinda          • i already made a deal with craots
 20:15  &Iain_Keers      • it is not just you who makes deals
 20:15  ~gid1            • u are not in alliance with croatia but with us
 20:15  &Iain_Keers      • you have to consult with HQ about things like that
 20:15  ~gid1            • so u need approval for ANY deal u want to try to make!
 20:15  ~gid1            • even TRY
 20:16  ~gid1            • so first u come to alliance
 20:16                   • Hercegno_pancsol is now known as Hercegno
 20:16  ~gid1            • ask if it's ok with everyone
 20:16  ~gid1            • than u go to croatia and see if u can
 20:16  ~gid1            • ...
 20:16  ~gid1            • that's how we all work
 20:16  ~gid1            • for entire year
 20:16  @Orinda          • like hungarians, right?
 20:16  @Orinda          • http://www.erepublik.com/en/Austria/law/98046
 20:16  @Orinda          • did they ask you?
 20:16  &[eBMPO]Shadow   • i dont see
 20:17  &[eBMPO]Shadow   • that is huganry
 20:17  +Cookies_Crisp   • +!
 20:17  &[eBMPO]Shadow   • law i saw that its austria
 20:17  &[eBMPO]Shadow   • law
 20:17  @Orinda          • Vreath to 0rinda | one minute ago
 20:17  @Orinda          • Seems there is a missunderstanding between Hungary and you
 20:17  ~gid1            • and if some hungarian mod is angry
 20:17  @Orinda          • 0rinda to Vreath | one minute ago
 20:17  @Orinda          • Hungary told you to NE us?
 20:17  @Orinda          • Vreath to 0rinda | one minute ago
20:17  @Orinda          • Yes. You can ask mikrobi.
 20:17  @Orinda          • Vreath to 0rinda | one minute ago
 20:17  @Orinda          • We will try to vote it down but i thought that this plan was approved by you, seems there was some missunderstanding, sorry for putting you in trouble mate!
 20:17  &[eBMPO]Shadow   • Orinda:
 20:17  &[eBMPO]Shadow   • everyone can do that
 20:17  &[eBMPO]Shadow   • as i said it
 20:17  ~gid1            • as i said this is new issue
 20:17  &[eBMPO]Shadow   • THAT ITS NOT an offical hungary law
 20:17  ~gid1            • and i'll deal with that too
 20:17  &[eBMPO]Shadow   • its austrian LAW
 20:17  @Orinda          • i guess we aren't the only problem then
 20:17  ~gid1            • this NEVER happened before
 20:17  @Orinda          • some other countries are as well
 20:18  @Orinda          • which means something isn't right in this alliance
 20:18  ~gid1            • countries never had problems in exchange of regions
 20:18  ~gid1            • in placing NE
 20:18  ~gid1            • or something like that
 20:18  ~gid1            • ...
 20:18  &Iain_Keers      • i think the issue, to be blunt, is that every country is fighting for the survival of ONE
 20:18  +Cookies_Crisp   • no it means Slovenia wants help from ONE but not TO help ONE
 20:18  &Iain_Keers      • but slovenia seems to be fighting for the survival of slovenia
 20:18  &Iain_Keers      • and it is ruining morale
 20:19  &Iain_Keers      • there is a feeling all you care about is keeping bonuses intact
 20:19  &Iain_Keers      • and not taking risks
 20:19  &Iain_Keers      • but that means when you get NE'd
 20:19  &Iain_Keers      • who is going to take a risk to help?
 20:19  &Iain_Keers      • when you have shown that you won't do that for others?
 20:19  @Orinda          • 20:18 &Iain_Keers • but slovenia seems to be fighting for the survival of slovenia
 20:19  ~gid1            • it's like a player of a soccer team that is affraid to take ball because he is affraid enemies will break his legs...
 20:19  @Orinda          • seems like hungary is doing the same for them
 20:19  ~gid1            • no, we all fight to save them congress
 20:19  ~gid1            • because alliance needs all members
 20:20  @Orinda          • i'm just sayin
 20:20  ~gid1            • with congress
 20:20  ~gid1            • ...
 20:20  @[Illuminati]DarkoDimovski • orinda we were deleted
 20:20  @Orinda          • anyway, i don't have time atm
 20:20  @Orinda          • cya later
 20:20  @[Illuminati]DarkoDimovski • and still we sended all help :)
 20:20  &Iain_Keers      • if you were a real team player you would have asked them yourself
 20:20  +Cookies_Crisp   • interesting ...
 20:20  &Iain_Keers      • for the NE