[14:26] <Bishop> HAI
[14:26] <JohnSnowstorm> HI
[14:27] <Bishop> undeads hsould have hospitals
[14:27] <Bishop> so there
[14:27] <Bishop> look at sanc
[14:27] <Bishop> LOOK
[14:27] <JohnSnowstorm> what about them?
[14:27] <JohnSnowstorm> not my fault theyre noobs
[14:27] <JohnSnowstorm> I'll tell you something for free
[14:27] <JohnSnowstorm> wouldnt have made the slightest difference
[14:27] <JohnSnowstorm> if they had hosps when they warred us
[14:27] <JohnSnowstorm> cause we overpopped them until they released everything but elites
[14:27] <Bishop> maybe
[14:27] <Bishop> idk
[14:28] <Bishop> def dies really really fast
[14:28] <JohnSnowstorm> yea, you dont know
[14:28] <JohnSnowstorm> but i know
[14:28] <JohnSnowstorm> :]
[14:28] <Bishop> you go from double to triple to quads so quick
[14:28] <JohnSnowstorm> bishop, GBP still protects troop losses in war
[14:28] <JohnSnowstorm> makes not a damn bit of difference
[14:28] <JohnSnowstorm> overpop will be doing all the work for you
[14:29] <JohnSnowstorm> not a few dead dspecs
[14:29] <Bishop> gbp on troop losses?
[14:29] <JohnSnowstorm> fact is you will be multitapping undeads *anyways* because the only effecttive strat with undead is to run massive offensive unit counts
[14:29] <Bishop> hurmmm
[14:29] <Bishop> you sure thats not cos they have [expletive deleted] all d spec left :p
[14:29] <Bishop> yaya, we know this
[14:29] <JohnSnowstorm> thats because tehy have 14+ epa
[14:29] <JohnSnowstorm> what you do is
[14:30] <Bishop> im saying you'll be multytapping faster
[14:30] <JohnSnowstorm> you put all your nw in elites
[14:30] <JohnSnowstorm> and then it doesnt matter for shit
[14:30] <JohnSnowstorm> you hit a baseline nw
[14:30] <JohnSnowstorm> that you cant go below
[14:30] <JohnSnowstorm> and you chain one by one with min gains and massive off with plague
[14:30] <JohnSnowstorm> hospitals are worthless for undead
[14:31] <JohnSnowstorm> because if you have the dspecs to need them
[14:31] <JohnSnowstorm> then youre doing it wrong anyways
[14:31] <JohnSnowstorm> GS and rax are infitely better buildings
[14:31] <JohnSnowstorm> hell towers are better
[14:31] <Bishop> you cant say a ghetto is "doig it wrong"because tehy dont have teh activity :p
[14:31] <JohnSnowstorm> I can
[14:31] <JohnSnowstorm> and I do
[14:31] <Bishop> gs+rax are better
[14:31] <JohnSnowstorm> idc where the undead is
[14:31] <Bishop> but hes got room for hos
[14:31] <Bishop> easily
[14:31] <JohnSnowstorm> he shouldnt have hosps
[14:31] <JohnSnowstorm> bishop
[14:32] <JohnSnowstorm> you cant max gs adn rax on UD BE
[14:32] <JohnSnowstorm> not close
[14:32] <Bishop> i can guarantee you he'll whine when he gets caught with elites home and loses his shit in 5 hits
[14:32] <JohnSnowstorm> let alone have hosps as well
[14:32] <Bishop> not max :p
[14:32] <JohnSnowstorm> then you are basing your advice
[14:32] <Bishop> 15% is fine
[14:32] <JohnSnowstorm> on a player not being able to play the province
[14:32] <JohnSnowstorm> if you cant play the province
[14:32] <JohnSnowstorm> it doesnt matter what your build will be
[14:33] <JohnSnowstorm> you will still get farmed the [expletive deleted] out by anyone with half a brain
13[14:33] <Bishop> JohnSnowstorm> on a player not being able to play the province
[14:33] <Bishop> this is ghetto play though
[14:33] <JohnSnowstorm> if you cant play the province
[14:33] <JohnSnowstorm> the strat you use is irrelevent
[14:33] <Bishop> its nto about playing
[14:33] <JohnSnowstorm> if you want the best build strat for undead
[14:33] <Bishop> you gotaa take activty into it also
[14:34] <JohnSnowstorm> when you cant keep troops out 24/7
[14:34] <JohnSnowstorm> then its play a different race
[14:34] <JohnSnowstorm> try gnome
[14:34] <JohnSnowstorm> halfer
[14:34] <JohnSnowstorm> w/e its called
[14:34] <Bishop> um
[14:34] <Bishop> halfer/
[14:34] <Bishop> never liked them
[14:34] <JohnSnowstorm> well if youre leaving troops at home all the time
[14:34] <JohnSnowstorm> you might as well have a turtling elite
[14:34] <Bishop> i still think undeada are too bittle with out hos
[14:34] <JohnSnowstorm> theyre the least brittle race in the game
[14:35] <JohnSnowstorm> you can war forever
[14:35] <JohnSnowstorm> only way you can ever beat an undead running my build and strat
[14:35] <Bishop> having 700 opa and land def is not very resilient
[14:35] <JohnSnowstorm> is to build 8+ unbreakables
[14:35] <JohnSnowstorm> yes it is
[14:35] <JohnSnowstorm> becaues he never loses off
[14:35] <JohnSnowstorm> or nw
[14:35] <JohnSnowstorm> but he can chain you down to nws smaller than him
[14:36] <Bishop> assuming aiao
[14:36] <Bishop> cant assume tat in ghettos!
[14:36] <JohnSnowstorm> if you cant do aiao your build doesnt matter
[14:36] <JohnSnowstorm> and you shouldnt play undead
[14:36] <Bishop> ppl play what they want
[14:36] <JohnSnowstorm> and plenty of ghetto players can do aiao
[14:36] <Bishop> and what to do as good as they can with their liitations
[14:36] <Bishop> *want
[14:37] <JohnSnowstorm> yea, heres what tehy should do;
[14:37] <JohnSnowstorm> play halfer or some shit
[14:37] <JohnSnowstorm> get TPA to NS opponent undeads
[14:37] <Bishop> encourage turtle play
[14:37] <Bishop> [expletive deleted]ign shame on you
[14:37] <JohnSnowstorm> you wanted to know how to do good given limitations
[14:37] <JohnSnowstorm> I'm telling you
[14:37] <JohnSnowstorm> play dwarf
[14:37] <JohnSnowstorm> or halfer
[14:38] <Bishop> dwarf
[14:38] <Bishop> hurrrm
[14:38] <JohnSnowstorm> hosps is an inferior strategy for undead and is trying to make up for inability to manage the province as it needs to be managed
[14:38] <Bishop> inferior doesnt mean inappropriate
[14:38] <JohnSnowstorm> It means I'm right and you're wrong
[14:39] <JohnSnowstorm> and you have been since 18 months ago when we first had this argument
[14:39] <Bishop> as if
[14:39] <Bishop> you wont accept that ghettos can use shitty strats successfuly :p
[14:39] <JohnSnowstorm> a player as you describe will do better with dorf merch than he will with ud/anything
[14:40] <Bishop> except tat he is undead
[14:40] <Bishop> and "roll a new province" isnt great advice
[14:40] <JohnSnowstorm> if he is undead he should learn to play undead
[14:40] <JohnSnowstorm> buy a [expletive deleted]ing alarm clock
[14:41] <Bishop> tut tut :p
[14:42] <JohnSnowstorm> tut all you like
[14:42] <JohnSnowstorm> you still dont need hosps
[14:42] <JohnSnowstorm> :D
[14:43] <Bishop> define need
[14:46] <JohnSnowstorm> you go build a kd of 25 UD/anything you like
[14:46] <JohnSnowstorm> and use hosps
[14:46] <JohnSnowstorm> I'll build a kd of UD/whatever I like
[14:46] <JohnSnowstorm> and I'll not use hosps
[14:46] <JohnSnowstorm> and we'll see who wins
[14:47] <JohnSnowstorm> I love that you say dont use forts because you wont have any def for it to mod, but you say use hosps, even when the exact same thing applies. Thats amusing.
[14:49] <Bishop> i never liked forts :p
[14:49] <Bishop> but theyd work in aghetto fine
[14:50] <Bishop> you tel a ghetto to not suse hospitals
[14:50] <Bishop> and they have a brain haemorrage when they get hit
[14:50] <JohnSnowstorm> I tell an undead not to use hosps
[14:50] <JohnSnowstorm> if he doesnt know how to play undead then he shouldnt play undead
[14:50] <JohnSnowstorm> I'm merely telling him how it should be played
[14:50] <Bishop> not black and white though
[14:50] <JohnSnowstorm> hes it is
[14:51] <JohnSnowstorm> yes*
[14:51] <Bishop> for you, not for them
[14:51] <Bishop> why cant he run an undead tat hits once a day
[14:51] <JohnSnowstorm> if hes only hitting once per day
[14:51] <Bishop> if you acnt run a prov optimamally you should quit?
[14:51] <JohnSnowstorm> it doesnt matter if he has hosps
[14:51] <JohnSnowstorm> if he gets chained with leets home hes [expletive deleted]ed anyway
[14:51] <Bishop> well, it would matter even more :p
[14:52] <JohnSnowstorm> nope, overpop will bring both provinces to the same numbers
[14:52] <Bishop> he can control his release though
[14:52] <JohnSnowstorm> you can still only have ~29 ppa
[14:52] <Bishop> is that what it works out as?
[14:52] <Bishop> ghettos cant realy chain
[14:52] <JohnSnowstorm> hosps dont help you control your release, they save a paltry few elites in the hits
[14:53] <Bishop> once teh gaisn drop off they max gain
[14:53] <JohnSnowstorm> but you've already [expletive deleted]ed your prov
[14:53] <JohnSnowstorm> youre shutting the gate after teh horse has bolted
[14:53] <Bishop> hosps will take the otehr kd longer to chain you to X, which is what they normall y
[14:53] <Bishop> chain XXXX to 600 acres
[14:53] <Bishop> etc
[14:53] <Bishop> "chain"
[14:53] <JohnSnowstorm> no they wont
[14:54] <JohnSnowstorm> GS will work better for that
[14:54] <Bishop> have both
[14:54] <JohnSnowstorm> as ghettos dont have the sense to DT anyways
[14:54] <Bishop> i never said remove gs :p
[14:54] <JohnSnowstorm> they get scared and only single tap
[14:54] <JohnSnowstorm> to keep more def
[14:54] <Bishop> ya, i know :(
[14:54] <JohnSnowstorm> lmao
[14:54] <JohnSnowstorm> anyways look here
[14:54] <JohnSnowstorm> im running 30% rax and 30% gs
[14:54] <JohnSnowstorm> best of luck to you with your hosp kd
[14:54] <JohnSnowstorm> (im going to buttrape you)
[14:55] <Bishop> you could run 0 buildings and still beat me
[14:55] <Bishop> thats not the point
[14:55] <JohnSnowstorm> GS beat hosps
[14:55] <JohnSnowstorm> hands down
[14:55] <Bishop> stop moving the goalposts
[14:55] <Bishop> you cock
[14:55] <Bishop> 14:54:10] <Bishop> i never said remove gs :p
[14:55] <JohnSnowstorm> 5% gains protection is better than 15% troops losses protection
[14:56] <JohnSnowstorm> until you have maxed GS and rax I dont see "space" for hosps
[14:56] <Bishop> i fotgot i spoke to you abotu this before
[14:56] <JohnSnowstorm> and in fact I would rather have towers KD wide
[14:56] <JohnSnowstorm> than hosps kd wide