[12/3/2016 2:42:54 PM] Kris Tyrell: Hey
[12/3/2016 2:43:05 PM] Kris Tyrell: So apparently you're unhappy?
[12/3/2016 2:45:48 PM] Kris Tyrell: Also, if I'm giving you too much. Let me know I can pull some back and give it to others.
[12/3/2016 2:58:13 PM] Jonny Copper - MORTE: I told you I'm overloaded atm. I can handle what I have but that's it. I'm not especially happy with a few things at the moment. I'm not really sure what I want to do at the moment. Until I figure that out I'm just going to keep doing what I do best.
[12/3/2016 3:00:18 PM] Kris Tyrell: Okay.
[12/3/2016 3:00:26 PM] Kris Tyrell: Let's get to it then shall we?
[12/3/2016 3:00:34 PM] Kris Tyrell: What are you not happy with.
[12/3/2016 3:00:40 PM] Kris Tyrell: Just lay it on me.
[12/3/2016 3:06:49 PM] Kris Tyrell: Because I have to know things in order to fix them
[12/3/2016 3:10:53 PM] Kris Tyrell: Also, what do you mean you're not sure what you want to do. You got to communicate these things to me jonny.
[12/3/2016 3:13:10 PM] Kris Tyrell: I thought you were happy here.
[12/3/2016 3:46:20 PM] Jonny Copper - MORTE: Sorry was driving.
[12/3/2016 3:46:41 PM] Jonny Copper - MORTE: I know. Mav didn't do a good job and someone has to.
[12/3/2016 3:47:29 PM] Kris Tyrell: agreed.
[12/3/2016 3:48:17 PM] Jonny Copper - MORTE: The most recent thing that made me unhappy was your way of dealing with mav's departure.
[12/3/2016 3:48:29 PM] Kris Tyrell: how did that make you unhappy?
[12/3/2016 3:48:47 PM] Jonny Copper - MORTE: You gave his corp a week to get things sorted and out. And yet the same day he announced you removed his corp channel and corp roles.
[12/3/2016 3:48:59 PM] Jonny Copper - MORTE: That is so unbelievably immature
[12/3/2016 3:49:21 PM] Kris Tyrell: they are not appart of the alliance? and I gave them friend tags?
[12/3/2016 3:49:54 PM] Jonny Copper - MORTE: You give a Corp a week to get out, especially when they leave on good terms. You leave their tags and channel for them to use for communication until they are fully out and safe.
[12/3/2016 3:50:18 PM] Kris Tyrell: okay. what else?
[12/3/2016 3:51:52 PM] Jonny Copper - MORTE: I mean. Planning to poach members of a Corp as an executor. This is a little odd.
[12/3/2016 3:51:59 PM] Jonny Copper - MORTE: Like I understand the idea.
[12/3/2016 3:52:18 PM] Jonny Copper - MORTE: But a Corp shouldn't be in the alliance long enough to make plans to poach their members.
[12/3/2016 3:52:56 PM] Jonny Copper - MORTE: INomad is gone now and we are way better off. But that should have been done 3 or 4 weeks ago at the minimum.
[12/3/2016 3:53:47 PM] Jonny Copper - MORTE: Not only that but I was under the impression Lear was joining your corp. And he came up to me before penguin made the new corp and asked if he could join my corp.
[12/3/2016 3:54:00 PM] Kris Tyrell: Ah cool.
[12/3/2016 3:54:11 PM] Kris Tyrell: Well he could join who he would like.
[12/3/2016 3:54:17 PM] Kris Tyrell: Why is that an issue?
[12/3/2016 3:55:07 PM] Jonny Copper - MORTE: Him going where he wants isn't the issue. My point is people clearly overall don't seem too happy. This is a good place to rat it up not much else is happening.
[12/3/2016 3:55:33 PM] Kris Tyrell: okay and what would you suggest to make people more happy?
[12/3/2016 3:57:02 PM] Kris Tyrell: if you are going to bring up the fact that people don't seem overall happy you got to have some sort of a solution?
[12/3/2016 3:57:51 PM] Jonny Copper - MORTE: You aren't going to like it. And with what happened with Mav and INomad I've been very hesitant to bring it up.
[12/3/2016 3:58:59 PM] Jonny Copper - MORTE: This leadership structure is missing a lot. And the ground work didn't get setup properly. So we are trying to rush things that are just going to hurt us in the long run.
[12/3/2016 3:59:21 PM] Jonny Copper - MORTE: Is it bad? No. But it cold me much stronger and prepared for growth
[12/3/2016 4:00:46 PM] Jonny Copper - MORTE: I talked with tywin as the more senior choice and he doesn't really seem to have the time.
[12/3/2016 4:01:29 PM] Kris Tyrell: so what would I not like about that?
[12/3/2016 4:05:36 PM] Kris Tyrell: And of course the leadership structure is missing a lot.
[12/3/2016 4:05:47 PM] Kris Tyrell: I don't know who to pu there in those spots. do you?
[12/3/2016 4:06:57 PM] Jonny Copper - MORTE: I might be wrong in saying this. But myself and a handful of people mostly from my corp believe you need to step down from executor into another leadership position. Your methods have a lot of potential for real life business but this is a video game and people want to have a good balance between serious and fun. Just like any part of this game, you need to risk certain things to get rewarded.
[12/3/2016 4:07:26 PM] Kris Tyrell: Who are the handful of people?
[12/3/2016 4:07:54 PM] Kris Tyrell: and who would replace me? in your ideal world.
[12/3/2016 4:08:56 PM] Jonny Copper - MORTE: I'd put it up to a vote by the member base. Let them decide. You'd be able to be included as a choice in the vote obviously because as I said I could be wrong.
[12/3/2016 4:09:16 PM] Kris Tyrell: this isn't a democracy.
[12/3/2016 4:09:23 PM] Jonny Copper - MORTE: Your idea of leading people by making choices for them still stands.
[12/3/2016 4:09:49 PM] Jonny Copper - MORTE: It's about letting the members chose who is to be in that position and make decisions for everyone.
[12/3/2016 4:09:49 PM] Kris Tyrell: who are the handful of people?
[12/3/2016 4:10:09 PM] Kris Tyrell: you skipped over my question.
[12/3/2016 4:10:52 PM] Jonny Copper - MORTE: You need to understand, a leader is there with his members. Without his members he isn't anything. And a leader who chose himself and makes decisions without the support of his members will end up back alone.
[12/3/2016 4:11:02 PM] Kris Tyrell: I do understand that.
[12/3/2016 4:11:03 PM] Jonny Copper - MORTE: Yes
[12/3/2016 4:11:29 PM] Jonny Copper - MORTE: I'm not saying the leader needs to make votes for all the decisions
[12/3/2016 4:11:50 PM] Jonny Copper - MORTE: I'm saying the member base needs to chose who they trust in making the decisions.
[12/3/2016 4:11:58 PM] Kris Tyrell: I'm telling you democracy's don't work in this game.
[12/3/2016 4:12:23 PM] Kris Tyrell: So you skipped over both my questions.
[12/3/2016 4:12:28 PM] Kris Tyrell: could you answer them both please.
[12/3/2016 4:12:38 PM] Jonny Copper - MORTE: Yes I know. I was trying to explain my point.
[12/3/2016 4:13:09 PM] Jonny Copper - MORTE: Who are the people isn't going to change anything.
[12/3/2016 4:13:23 PM] Kris Tyrell: Answer the question please.
[12/3/2016 4:14:51 PM] Jonny Copper - MORTE: Fine. I'll tell you who in my corp. Because that's my problem
[12/3/2016 4:15:11 PM] Kris Tyrell: Ah people in your corp.
[12/3/2016 4:15:21 PM] Jonny Copper - MORTE: Zef vlad and aegis. Cadre is just loyal to me.
[12/3/2016 4:15:42 PM] Jonny Copper - MORTE: I'm not ratting out other alliance memvers
[12/3/2016 4:15:54 PM] Kris Tyrell: They are in your corp. I expect nothing else from people in your corp.
[12/3/2016 4:15:56 PM] Jonny Copper - MORTE: I'm not risking their shit, my member base I can own up to
[12/3/2016 4:16:09 PM] Kris Tyrell: They are loyal to you.
[12/3/2016 4:16:15 PM] Kris Tyrell: and I'm not going to kick anyone.
[12/3/2016 4:16:35 PM] Kris Tyrell: Don't plan on doing that. would just like to sit down with them and hear what they have to say.
[12/3/2016 4:17:07 PM] Jonny Copper - MORTE: Alright. We can do that.
[12/3/2016 4:17:18 PM] Kris Tyrell: So who is that?
[12/3/2016 4:17:46 PM] Jonny Copper - MORTE: Who is what?
[12/3/2016 4:18:00 PM] Kris Tyrell: The other people in the alliance.
[12/3/2016 4:18:54 PM] Jonny Copper - MORTE: Like I said. I'm not ratting them out. That's just one of my rules.
[12/3/2016 4:19:04 PM] Kris Tyrell: Then I don't know who to speak with.
[12/3/2016 4:19:08 PM] Kris Tyrell: Awesome.
[12/3/2016 4:20:39 PM] Kris Tyrell: Also the new alliance exec if that goes through needs to have the money for all of the IHUB upgrades to repay me for them.
[12/3/2016 4:20:46 PM] Jonny Copper - MORTE: I answered you question. We have a starting point. I was respectful enough to answer it with as much information as possible.
[12/3/2016 4:21:39 PM] Kris Tyrell: The second question was in your ideal world who takes over the alliance.
[12/3/2016 4:24:14 PM] Jonny Copper - MORTE: Do I have a name? No. What I know is that they need to understand that things need to still be firm and that leading isn't the same as bossing and managing.
[12/3/2016 4:24:54 PM] Kris Tyrell: and I'm doing that?
[12/3/2016 4:24:59 PM] Kris Tyrell: bossing and managing?
[12/3/2016 4:25:08 PM] Jonny Copper - MORTE: Yes
[12/3/2016 4:25:18 PM] Kris Tyrell: How so? give me an example.
[12/3/2016 4:25:44 PM] Jonny Copper - MORTE: When issues came up with Mav. You sent me a screenshot and said "fix this"
[12/3/2016 4:25:57 PM] Kris Tyrell: okay?
[12/3/2016 4:26:11 PM] Jonny Copper - MORTE: No please. No "this is a problem we need to fix this" No " what do you think about this?"
[12/3/2016 4:29:02 PM] Kris Tyrell: I am an alliance exec?
[12/3/2016 4:29:08 PM] Kris Tyrell: what else do you want me to do?
[12/3/2016 4:35:10 PM] Jonny Copper - MORTE: Wait hold on.
[12/3/2016 4:36:14 PM] Jonny Copper - MORTE: You are an alliance exec talking to a lower rank than you about fixing something out of his timezone. And because of that you don't have to be polite?
[12/3/2016 4:37:22 PM] Kris Tyrell: If you are not happy here and with me then why stay?
[12/3/2016 4:37:39 PM] Kris Tyrell: And why is this the first I'm hearing about this.
[12/3/2016 4:37:45 PM] Kris Tyrell: Cadre did warn me about this.
[12/3/2016 4:41:47 PM] Jonny Copper - MORTE: I told you last time you asked me. If I'm not happy I'm leaving. I just have hope for this alliance but I should have known they are all right when they say you have too much pride to step down. You think that if people just tell you what needs to change that you can keep your mighty throne. Cadre is loyal to me but I don't want to take over shit. If everyone else was happy I wouldn't have any backing for any of this and would question whether I'm wrong or not.
[12/3/2016 4:49:25 PM] Kris Tyrell: it doesn't have anything to do with pride.
[12/3/2016 4:49:58 PM] Kris Tyrell: has to do with whats best for the alliance. next weekend we will call for a vote.
[12/3/2016 4:50:46 PM] Kris Tyrell: infact
[12/3/2016 4:50:57 PM] Kris Tyrell: I would love to see what you can do with this alliance
[12/3/2016 4:51:58 PM] Kris Tyrell: so how about then causing a whole bunch of drama.
[12/3/2016 4:52:03 PM] Kris Tyrell: we pass it over to you.
[12/3/2016 4:52:24 PM] Kris Tyrell: hows that sound?
[12/3/2016 4:52:55 PM] Kris Tyrell: no this isn't a trick.
[12/3/2016 4:57:19 PM] Kris Tyrell: ill announce next week that I'm stepping down as alliance exec.
[12/3/2016 5:01:01 PM] Jonny Copper - MORTE: Cadre will be happy
[12/3/2016 5:01:09 PM] Kris Tyrell: that he was right?
[12/3/2016 5:02:35 PM] Kris Tyrell: or that I am stepping down
[12/3/2016 5:07:18 PM] Jonny Copper - MORTE: Well you stepping down means he's stepping into my role.
[12/3/2016 5:09:07 PM] Kris Tyrell: well
[12/3/2016 5:09:15 PM] Kris Tyrell: got 3 corps so far that want me to stay as alliance exec
[12/3/2016 5:09:19 PM] Kris Tyrell: wait change that to 5
[12/3/2016 5:14:44 PM] Jonny Copper - MORTE: and this is where you are going about it wrong, but that's ok because as I said, I will leave if I am not happy.
[12/3/2016 6:25:39 PM] Kris Tyrell: I think the easiest thing to do is to have you guys leave.
[12/3/2016 6:58:02 PM] Kris Tyrell: I would prefer if you would leave the alliance peacefully.
[12/3/2016 6:58:15 PM] Kris Tyrell: and not try and do a coup. it wouldn't end well.
[12/3/2016 6:58:22 PM] Kris Tyrell: please leave peacefully.
[12/3/2016 6:58:32 PM] Jonny Copper - MORTE: like I told you, I don't have any interest in doing a coup
[12/3/2016 6:58:49 PM] Kris Tyrell: as you pulled rush into a private convo?
[12/3/2016 6:59:30 PM] Jonny Copper - MORTE: did I now? do you have proof? Because if you do i'd like to see it. I might just have to go see a doctor because I'm starting to forget things if that's the case.
[12/3/2016 6:59:49 PM] Kris Tyrell: yea, I'm talking to Rush rn.
[12/3/2016 7:00:32 PM] Jonny Copper - MORTE: cool, throw me the private convo proof and lmk, because I cant remember for the life of me when I did that
[12/3/2016 7:01:17 PM] Kris Tyrell: and now your members are also pulling his directors into a chat.
[12/3/2016 7:01:40 PM] Jonny Copper - MORTE: you were just talking to rush
[12/3/2016 7:01:46 PM] Jonny Copper - MORTE: if anything we're just sharing our side of the story
[12/3/2016 7:01:58 PM] Jonny Copper - MORTE: it's ultimately their decision what they want to do
[12/3/2016 7:02:21 PM] Jonny Copper - MORTE: if they want to stick by you afterwards there's nothing to be done about it.
[12/3/2016 7:02:43 PM] Kris Tyrell: I don't want to kick you man.
[12/3/2016 7:02:54 PM] Kris Tyrell: just stop and leave peacefully.
[12/3/2016 7:03:21 PM] Kris Tyrell: and I understand where you are coming from where you don't like me.
[12/3/2016 7:03:23 PM] Jonny Copper - MORTE: mav recruited BCROW and Mav is gone, we're just answering their questions.
[12/3/2016 7:03:24 PM] Kris Tyrell: i understand that.
[12/3/2016 7:04:22 PM] Kris Tyrell: i understand.
[12/3/2016 7:04:37 PM] Kris Tyrell: let me know if there is anything i can answer any of your questions that you cant answer.
[12/3/2016 7:34:20 PM] Kris Tyrell: are you going to leave peacefully
[12/3/2016 8:27:03 PM] Kris Tyrell: yes?