@Blast: ~workshop new
@BB-8-NU: A new workshop session was created
@Blast: ~workshop add 4 attacks victreebel
@BB-8-NU: 4 attacks victreebel added
@Blast: ~workshop u-turn archeops
@BB-8-NU: Unrecognized command: u-turn archeops
@Blast: ~workshop add u-turn archeops
@BB-8-NU: u-turn archeops added
@carcy: you know what could also be cool
@carcy: sd monferno
+lucianvega: ,
+yogibeans: y
@carcy: instead of mawile
+lucianvega: to add psychic weakness
@carcy: oh
@carcy: yea
@carcy: im dumb
+PursuitOfHappiny: lol
+PursuitOfHappiny: haha
@carcy: dont mind me
+lucianvega: lool
@carcy: im kinda sold on mawile tbh
+PursuitOfHappiny: Grumpig Steelix Victreebel
+lucianvega: shiftry check X
@carcy: ~workshop add defensive mawile
@BB-8-NU: defensive mawile added
+PursuitOfHappiny: Fire resist
@carcy: vic outspeeds max speed adamant
@carcy: also yea
@carcy: we need a good fire resist
@carcy: as well as a water and psychic resist
+PursuitOfHappiny: Regirock
+PursuitOfHappiny: Can set up sun too maybe
@carcy: we already have mawile for that th
@carcy: o
@Blast: ~workshop team
@BB-8-NU: 4 attacks victreebel / u-turn archeops / defensive mawile
++lucianvega: im sry for my internet
@carcy: where is starmie when you need it
++lucianvega: its so bad
@Blast: lanturn could work to keep up the voltturn theme
++lucianvega: since this is offense id add piggy
++lucianvega: double fire resist in archeops pig
@carcy: id go with a more offensive lanturn set tbh
++lucianvega: and then water check later on
+yogibeans: I really wouldn't count arch as a fire resist
++lucianvega: we also need check to DD don,psychic check too
++lucianvega: and fighting resist
++lucianvega: yogibeans i said double fire resist which means it can be played around
++lucianvega: i definitely agree that i wouldnt count it as fire resist alone,since it dies to Tbolt
+PursuitOfHappiny: Grumpig! :(
@Blast: i'm p sure archeops gets 2-shotted by fire blast
@carcy: it does if its not bulky
++lucianvega: one thing i rly dont like about victreebel is it doesnt provide any defensive utility
+PursuitOfHappiny: Thick Fat is greatly appreciated
@Blast: what are the 4 moves on vic anyway
@carcy: sucker leaf storm sludge bomb hp fire
@Blast: ok
+PursuitOfHappiny: no physical grass move instead of special?
@carcy: leaf storm hits most stuff harder
+PursuitOfHappiny: ok
++lucianvega: we could go with magmortar as fire ice resist ghost check
@carcy: and im pretty sure mag dies to sucker after rocks + storm
@carcy: im kinda thinking we could use something for dd don cause it jsut wins vs current team members
+PursuitOfHappiny: Don't we have vic?
@carcy: what do you think of gastro?
@carcy: we do, but it dies to ew
@carcy: eq*
++lucianvega: rip internet
@carcy: i really think gastro fits here p well
+PursuitOfHappiny: yeah gastro sounds good
@carcy: esp with mawile
++lucianvega: we definitely need a check to DD don and electric imunity so gastro is good suggestion
@carcy: also checks most water
@carcy: s
++lucianvega: indeed
@carcy: and some fires
++lucianvega: im pretty sure we need magmortar
++lucianvega: also checks lilligant which 6 0es
@carcy: we wont have a win con or a fite check
++lucianvega: wait whats the team so far
++lucianvega: my internet keeps dying
@carcy: o wait
@carcy: ~workshop add gastrodon
@BB-8-NU: gastrodon added
@carcy: ~workshop team
@BB-8-NU: 4 attacks victreebel / u-turn archeops / defensive mawile / gastrodon
+PursuitOfHappiny: ~workshop team
@BB-8-NU: 4 attacks victreebel / u-turn archeops / defensive mawile / gastrodon
++lucianvega: mag
+PursuitOfHappiny: oops
++lucianvega: xatu
@carcy: xatu as a sole fite resist
@carcy: is :(
++lucianvega: mawile adds a hitmonchan check
++lucianvega: we dont rly have a choice if we go like that
++lucianvega: i also dont like xatu as only fighting check
##Eternally: I agree lucian
@carcy: also we lose to most cm psychics then
++lucianvega: indeed
++lucianvega: but how else r u gonna finish the team
++lucianvega: without losing to quivers,fighting types
@carcy: just use safety goggles on sth
@carcy: lo
@carcy: l
++lucianvega: ,,,
+yogibeans: safety goggles xatu is my fav mon
@carcy: ~workshop add xatu
@BB-8-NU: xatu added
++lucianvega: you really cant finish team with anything but magmortar
++lucianvega: so id suggest scrapping xatu
++lucianvega: and lets find something else
@carcy: ye but xatu gives us a wincon adn soft ahzard control
++lucianvega: ik
++lucianvega: theres nothing to fit except magmortar for last tho
@carcy: eh just lum sd armaldo in the last slot
++lucianvega: ,
@carcy: nah ok we need a fite resist that beats cm psychics
++lucianvega: !dt musharna
@carcy: ye thats what i thought
@carcy: that or scyther with no hazard contorl
@carcy: :D
++lucianvega: ,
  bighairypenguin: you guys think about teams too much
++lucianvega: lol
++lucianvega: we could go bulky defog archeops
++lucianvega: and u turn scyther
++lucianvega: but ew
@carcy: yea
@carcy: lets try musharna imo
++lucianvega: scyther beats cm psychics
@carcy: ~workshop remove xatu
@BB-8-NU: xatu removed
++lucianvega: but defog archepos is pretty unreliable
++lucianvega: lets go with
++lucianvega: wait what do we have rn
++lucianvega: victreebel archeops musharna gastrodon mawile
+PursuitOfHappiny: ~workshop team
@BB-8-NU: 4 attacks victreebel / u-turn archeops / defensive mawile / gastrodon
@carcy: ~workshop add magmortar
@BB-8-NU: magmortar added
++lucianvega: lets go with defog bulky archeops
++lucianvega: since we have wincond and wallbreaker already
++lucianvega: theres no other way to finish team
++lucianvega: in this way
@carcy: wait so mush is definite then
++lucianvega: i mean sure
++lucianvega: also helmet mawile imo
++lucianvega: to punish scyther
@carcy: yea
++lucianvega: colbur signal beam musharna
++lucianvega: for malamar
@carcy: ok so defog acro earth power roost arch?
++lucianvega: hm
++lucianvega: ye
@carcy: or we stick with u turn
++lucianvega: ithink earth power is kinda a must have to weaken steelixes
++lucianvega: for mush
@carcy: ye, but 3 members beat lix
++lucianvega: but
++lucianvega: yes
@carcy: and you can switch in freely
++lucianvega: and you can also Slash
++lucianvega: u turn/earth power
++lucianvega: tbh
@carcy: fun fact
@carcy: uninvested archeops
+PursuitOfHappiny: Musharna Archeops is a nice core too
@carcy: has the attack stat equal to max + invested base 95
@carcy: which is p nice
++lucianvega: yeah its still very strong
++lucianvega: 248 hp 252 jolly imo
+PursuitOfHappiny: I think Vic - steelix - yama is nice too
++lucianvega: i rly
++lucianvega: despise steelix yama cores
++lucianvega: from december 2015
@carcy: i love how they crumble to subtox mantine
+PursuitOfHappiny: :(
++lucianvega: sub toxic mantine is actually so threatening lol
@carcy: whats the set for mawile?
++lucianvega: uh
++lucianvega: rocks bp iron head
++lucianvega: fillerrrrr
++lucianvega: id go play rough
@carcy: ye for chan
@carcy: 4chan
++lucianvega: OR
@carcy: lol
++lucianvega: pain split
++lucianvega: since its hp is low
++lucianvega: and we decide on helmet on it
@carcy: play rough pain plit imo
++lucianvega: ye
++lucianvega: 248 hp 252 impish?
++lucianvega: def*
@carcy: ye
++lucianvega: id go helmet for sure
@carcy: do we need to creep sth?
++lucianvega: na
@carcy: actually no
@carcy: slow baton
++lucianvega: i like sow u turn
++lucianvega: slow*
++lucianvega: yea bp my bad lol
++lucianvega: i think we check majority of meta
@carcy: eq over earth power on gastro or'
@carcy: ?*
++lucianvega: we dont have a lot of ground checks but
++lucianvega: between gastrodon and victreebel i think its gonna be enough
++lucianvega: i like earth power
+PursuitOfHappiny: People like to status gastro
+PursuitOfHappiny: So if its burned
+PursuitOfHappiny: eq does crap
@carcy: yea
@carcy: true
@carcy: what do we put in the last slot
@carcy: im kinda up for clear smog
+PursuitOfHappiny: yeah
++lucianvega: for sure man
++lucianvega: thats pretty good set
@carcy: just max max right?
++lucianvega: hm?
@carcy: never used physdef gastro
++lucianvega: oh yea
+PursuitOfHappiny: sp
++lucianvega: dont use those 12 spdef EVs thats like some RU spread lol
@carcy: waith
@carcy: we put those 12 evs
@carcy: in speed
@carcy: for tank don
++lucianvega: n
++lucianvega: just go 252 hp 252 def cuz
++lucianvega: to take better on archeopses and stuff
@carcy: 12 hp doesnt make a difference
++lucianvega: yea but
++lucianvega: tauros is nearly 2 koing gastro
++lucianvega: so its better to have a bit more phys bulk
++lucianvega: !dt gastrodon
@carcy: it doesnt even benefit as much
++lucianvega: lol i thought this was actually slower
@carcy: and you need only 12 evs
++lucianvega: it doesnt benefit from speed either
@carcy: to creep 0 speed don
++lucianvega: ,
++lucianvega: hm
++lucianvega: i mean its fine either tbh
@carcy: i think hp grass is mandatory on this mag
+PursuitOfHappiny: yeah
++lucianvega: oh for sure
++lucianvega: i think hp grass is mandatory on every mag in this meta
+PursuitOfHappiny: does like 80 to gastro
++lucianvega: indeed
@carcy: idk what to put in the last slot tho
@carcy: eq?
++lucianvega: gastro is a pain
++lucianvega: put just EQ
+PursuitOfHappiny: yeah eq
++lucianvega: for opposing fire types
+PursuitOfHappiny: yup
+PursuitOfHappiny: i don't like focus blast
++lucianvega: cuz pyroar can still be annoying despite we having 3 fire checks
++lucianvega: i like how archeops can provide so much in  1 slot
@carcy: whats the standard av mag spread?
++lucianvega: 68 hp
++lucianvega: 252 spa rest in speed
  Andersonba1210: Just arrived. What is current team?
+PursuitOfHappiny: 196 speed
++lucianvega: i mean 64 hp
+PursuitOfHappiny: ~workshop team
++lucianvega: my bad
@BB-8-NU: 4 attacks victreebel / u-turn archeops / defensive mawile / gastrodon / magmortar
++lucianvega: put 64 hp evs on magmortar
++lucianvega: 192 speed
@carcy: ~workshop add musharna
@BB-8-NU: musharna added
@carcy: did
@carcy: kinda had a feeling that was it
++lucianvega: cm psyshock signal bean ?
++lucianvega: i mean whatrs our other malamar check
@carcy: yea
++lucianvega: im pretty happy to try LO victreebel with decent team around
@carcy: http://hastebin.com/qumijafose.md
  Andersonba1210: So a bell team w/o sun.
@carcy: sth like this?
+PursuitOfHappiny: carcy challenge me with it?
@carcy: cteam incoming
@carcy: http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-nu-394279459
@carcy: test
++lucianvega: ic
++lucianvega: PursuitOfHappiny,add skuntank over hitmonchan on your team
++lucianvega: you dont have check to vileplume and weezing
++lucianvega: talkin about defog one
  pilobacon: hello
++lucianvega: hi user: pilobacon
++lucianvega: carcy what is that musharna set lol
@carcy: ?
++lucianvega: team needs a better normal flying check than MAwile
++lucianvega: put bold max def
@carcy: oh
@carcy: lol
@carcy: mistake
++lucianvega: also put max hp on gastrodon because 244 hp 252 is worse spread
  Andersonba1210: Are we worried about not having a single dark type move on the team? No knock or sucker etc
++lucianvega: 252 hp 244 def is literally the same and you get more spdef
++lucianvega: no we arent Andersonba1210, why would we?
  Andersonba1210: I was just watching game and wondering what was going to happen if the opposing mush went +2
++lucianvega: clear smog gastro!
  Andersonba1210: again, just got here and this was prob discussed earlier
  Andersonba1210: aaaahhhh
  Andersonba1210: ty
++lucianvega: musharna also isnt common
++lucianvega: having dark type like skuntank is definitely useful
++lucianvega: tho
  Andersonba1210: Agreed, but there are a few, mush, renuclius minime, mesprit. I always liked having dark stab
++lucianvega: reuniclus is UU
++lucianvega: if not banned
  Andersonba1210: No, the small one
  Andersonba1210: i don't know it's name
  Andersonba1210: The second in the line. I see it once in a while
++lucianvega: thats not really that usable
++lucianvega: !dt duosion
  Andersonba1210: I'm saying, when you put all the mono psychic types together, they are around although maybe not as common as other types. Which is why I enjoy a dark move
++lucianvega: ik
++lucianvega: dark is definitely good coverage in NU :]
++lucianvega: but not rly concerned about it in this team a lot
@carcy: duosion
++lucianvega: gan bastrodon
@carcy: im so left behind lol
++lucianvega: carcy nice job bud
@carcy: anyway
@carcy: like the team
@carcy: well
++lucianvega: same lol
@carcy: i finished uni
++lucianvega: ahh
  pilobacon: the team looks pretty neat
@carcy: so had to to sth to celebrate
++lucianvega: how was last exam
@carcy: finished this year*
  pilobacon: I only wish I could have been here sooner
@carcy: its gonna be an a
++lucianvega: nice man
@carcy: bit ce petaca lega
@carcy: haha
++lucianvega: hahaha
++lucianvega: to stari
@carcy: anyway
@carcy: thanks to everyone for participating
++lucianvega: ^