10:32:11 Gate: Sorry - I didn;t know Furc was screwed up. Didn;t mean to bite your head off >.<
04/01/15 10:32:24 Cascades: What huh!?!
04/01/15 10:32:26 Cascades: What happend?
04/01/15 10:32:31 Gate: Oh earlier when I aske dyou to move
04/01/15 10:32:44 Gate: I afk'd a sec but wanted to say sorry if I came off rude
04/01/15 10:32:48 Gate: On the Vale
04/01/15 10:32:56 Cascades: OHHH ok you confused me.
04/01/15 10:33:01 Cascades: That's alright.
04/01/15 10:33:04 Gate: Sorry lol!
04/01/15 10:33:12 Gate: The Vale alt is locked
04/01/15 10:33:14 Gate: .-.
04/01/15 10:33:20 Cascades: locked?
04/01/15 10:33:22 Gate: Furc's a jerk.
04/01/15 10:33:31 Gate: yeah just - the whole unresponsive window thing
04/01/15 10:33:36 Cascades: LOOOL Wow Furc is being hella cray today ain't it.
04/01/15 10:33:40 Gate: Tis
04/01/15 10:33:42 Cascades: Jeez.
04/01/15 10:33:44 Gate: And Kay
04/01/15 10:33:48 Cascades: Yo?
04/01/15 10:33:52 Gate: I dun hate you guys and I am sorry about all that happened
04/01/15 10:33:56 Gate: #SO
04/01/15 10:34:05 Gate: And I am sorry I hadn;t the balls to approach you sooner myseld
04/01/15 10:34:07 Gate: *myself
04/01/15 10:34:10 Cascades: I didn't think you did. I don't 'hate' you either. It's not a dealio.
04/01/15 10:34:45 Gate: I just don;t want anything lost in translation. I wanted to tell you myself. No gossip ya know :)
04/01/15 10:35:54 Cascades: As usual I don't intend to let it continuously cause some kind of drift, or drama. But. That being said. It doesn't mean I don't have issues with the situations that occured. So. While I don't care to let trouble linger, I also am not comfortable in your dream any longer so I won't be returning.
04/01/15 10:37:43 Gate: I understand and it is not my intention to push things. having said that - if you would feel comfortable sharing with me the actual reason you left or problems/issues that you, personally have - I would be grateful. I can not fix somethign I do not know has happened. i have already taken steps to remove bias and unneccesary rules and drama - so it would be great to know if I handled anything on my own that had caused upset.
04/01/15 10:38:02 Gate: You do not have to of course! You may refuse haha
04/01/15 10:38:36 Cascades: I don't mind sharing at all. I just didn't want to come off as harassing by approaching you first, as.... To be 100% honest, 99% of my issue and why I left was you.
04/01/15 10:39:06 Gate: No that's fine - I am the one that asked, haha.
04/01/15 10:39:28 Gate: I remove dmyself from staff so that should help. Lmao. Owners were never meant to staff, ever. I dunno why we ended up staffing
04/01/15 10:39:44 Gate: But I am open to listen if you;d like to explain
04/01/15 10:44:19 Cascades: My issue and reason behind me leaving isn't derived from one thing. Lemme just, start there I guess. Because there's a lot that caused my hand, and i'm SURE i'm gonna forget/leave things out so. Let's just start by saying it was everything together, not each individual instance.
04/01/15 10:44:53 * Gate just listens so forgive silence an dbrb food
04/01/15 11:01:58 Cascades: Now. What caused it. Let's see. When you were RPing with Wildfire, and complaining about Caelo, you distinctly told me if rp leads a certain way White might just have Fallen come in and slaughter them. And. On a personal level. I didn't give a shit. Because yo RP. If that's what White would do, whatever! I can't justify your characters actions, and I didn't know the details of the RP content post for post so. It meant nothing to me. Well.. It meant nothing to me UNTIL WE ATTACKED YOU. And you started freaking out about putting so much work into White + Fallen, and how they're basically your baby. And yada yada. WHICH ONCE AGAIN. I understand completely. I have SO much RP put into MJ. So much development. I love her to pieces. But I NEVER expect to have a character like her and her to NOT get attacked. That was my first issue. First and foremost. You can't have someone like White, and a pack like Fallen, and really never expect to get rebelled against. SECOND ISSUE. You had NO issue destroying someone elses pack, that they likely loved and cherish just as much, but when someone threatens YOUR pack. Oh no, that's a big deal. THIRDLY, when we went to fight, you immediately went to commenting stuff. Which may or may not have pertained to our situation, but it came off as though it did. And you sobing over White dieing, make it seem even more so. NEXT. For WHATEVER REASON. OTHER PATRONS opinions were SUDDENLY mattering. When. Im pretty sure that's not how shit works? The only people whose opinions should matter are those IN the RP. And the whole time you claimed you had NOTHING to do with it. Which you might not, you might have. I don't know. But the fact remains we were either getting called out by people who shouldnt matter. OR you were lieing through your teeth. Either one is bullshit. So it doesnt really matter. THEN. It turned into us talking to staff. And we pled our case. Just as we always had. That nothing was going on because of OOC means. EVERYTHING that happend was strictly IC. The ONLY thing that was changed, was we had to rush our posts when Bowreal was there. For the sake of him leaving and yall needing to go to bed, because TECHNICALLY it would have made LESS sense for our characters to NOT do anything despite what had happend. And im not expecting it to make sense to you, because you dont know MJ's mind set, you don't know about there hidden facades(even though, everyone tells me MJ was horrible at hiding things so it was really obvious her hate for Fallen and everyone in it.) but still. She has been, since the day I made, a deceptive bitch who will do whatever it takes to get out. Hince forth.. In a pack where if you leave or argue you're KILLED. Wtf else do you expect her to do than try and fit in so she can survive and eventually escape? Granit, RP situations, such as Alcide and his attitude and not doing shit in his rank and being allowed to kill Varro for LESS reason than he was causing, made there simple escape plan into a murder. Then Fados and his attitude, being second in charge and all his kids coming to MJ and Ace for guideance, and frankly affection Fados didn't give them. It made them hate him too. AS I SAY THAT. Im not saying I have anything against Fados as a character. He's a old grump, thats his ways. WHATEV. I dont fucking care. But MJ does. That's where you and staff and everyone else continueously seemed to fail to percieve the situation. NOTHING that was going on was because me and ace cared about how yalls characters were. We dont care that White has am illion babies and is bipolar and anything else, we dont care that Fados is a stubborn grump who sits in the background and does secret things. We dont care!!! But our characters do. Our characters care. Our characters saw all this shit, and it pissed them off, and made them want to kill yall. THATS ALL IT WAS. And yet some how WE were ooc to icing, and yet some how yall STILL dont understand WHY they did it. Which baffles me. Like everyone elses FULLY understands but yall dont?!  NOW[c]
04/01/15 11:11:41 Cascades: Having said... ALL that. Granit there were more tidbit things. but having said ALL that. we STILL tried to work with WHATEVER happend, we didnt even fucking fight the void. Which, might I add. I also found to be bullshit. Because if you, and staff, and anyone else were TRUELY concerned that we were OOC to ICing, Wildfire's void shouldnt have droped our case. Because if we were ooc to icing, the staff should have been wanting to correct it and prevent it. But you didnt. It was dropped like a fly. AND THEN. We get back, after voiding all that. I ask to void up until the night we left because YOU ketp saying we werent even supposed to leave, white told them to wait. Even though that was a misunderstanding, because you quick posted out and didnt quit respond to me accurately, so when yo usaid wait till tomorrow i thought you meant fados's punishment. not leaving, so when i asked ooc it was clarification. So frankly i felt like you were throwing me under the bus there. Not that it mattered THAT much, but by that point, after all that happend, I was done sitting around letting people throw assumptions my way. AND THEN. you rp with us, and demote us. That was the icing on the cake. I dont care that White demoted us, I care WHY she demoted us. I care that she demoted us for "calling out Fados in a public setting" even though Alcide AND Fados have BOTH done it TO White in public, and when Ace and MJ try to correct THEM...... We get in trouble. After all that nonsense with Wildfire, and our fight. You have the audacity to do THAT and not call it OOC to IC. I'm sorry but I was fed up. That was my entire issue with all of what went down. I don't care that it was voided, I don't care that White's a bitch, we woulda have even worked with the demotion. But you. You're... constant... flip floppy.... Hyprocritical notions.... I was done. I'm sorry. I hate to sound mean.  But. That's all I got out of ALL of that. You being OOC to IC and hyprocritical. From threatening to slaughter wildfire then flipping shit over white dieing, to complaining ooc about us saying fados doesnt do anything, evne though its not OUR opinion its our characters, to you repeatedly saying whites always been bipolar(in attempt to cover people claiming white is ooc to icing), but then turn around and say MJ makes no sense for attacking you? to you demoting us over something that makes no sense/seems very ooc to ic, as if that should be perfectly plauseable but then turn around not understand why our charas did things, and that makes it not ok.
04/01/15 11:11:42 Gate: Inactive -- Sorry, this furre has been away for the last 0 hours and 3 minutes and may have missed your whisper. (Auto-idle)
04/01/15 11:12:44 Cascades: What's worse is. Even after ALL of that. Even though I have NO desire to be in a world where you win. I STILL had no intent to futher shit. If we had never talked again, or you had never whispered me. I'd have just never told you and proceeded on with my life like nothing ever happend. But I wouldn't return somewhere where I felt unjustyly sided against, where things were "allowed" for some but not others.
04/01/15 11:12:44 Gate: Inactive -- Sorry, this furre has been away for the last 0 hours and 4 minutes and may have missed your whisper. (Auto-idle)
04/01/15 11:14:43 Gate: Ok uhm
04/01/15 11:14:59 Gate: Do you want my reply, or would you allow it - or is it better if I just not reply?
04/01/15 11:15:18 Cascades: I don't expect to unload all of that and say no you can't say anything.
04/01/15 11:15:19 Cascades: So.
04/01/15 11:15:20 Cascades: Go ahead.
04/01/15 11:15:50 Gate: Ok give me a minute - because it's a lot to take in and I am certain i will leave things out or reply tot hem our of order .-.
04/01/15 11:15:59 Gate: *them out of
04/01/15 11:16:03 Cascades: That's fine.
04/01/15 11:16:12 Cascades: I know I left out a lot of little details.
04/01/15 11:16:22 Cascades: Little quirks that made it worse, when all compiled. But whatever.
04/01/15 11:30:37 Gate: Just forgive me for the seemingly random onslaught of reply. I am sorry you were treated unfairly, upset or ignored. Not just from me, but staff. I'll try to address some of the things regarding that now. The voids. The stupid voids. I did not want nay voids - vale had never voided anything up to that point to my knowledge, and I voiced to staff that if they altered the outcome in any way it would most definately look biased. Even though I was not involved, even though I told Maddi by side. Maddi outright refused to consider my feelings, nor Holly's - or Ace's - in any of it, as we were involved. Wildfire was voided for ridiculous reasons - the fact that Ace was allowed to switch Rozin with Ace out, and the fact that Wildfire people messaged Bowreal offline to demand he come online to roleplay because Mean old Fallen was there. I had previously discussed the den thing with Araina the night prior because as usual discussions from Fallen got ooc'd to Wildfire and Ara confronted me. It was not plotted, but we had discussed what the current IC intent of White was. Then I was challenged for acting on White differently than White would act - because she did not maul Caelo's face off for growling at her. I can argue White;s reactions the same as I did to staff, but in the end it really does not matter - because it is done and arguing it will not alter the outcome - if anything it makes me look worse for perpetuating a dead situation. I did not agree with the void. THEN our rp got voided. I, also, was not okay with that. Regardless of how upset I was, or the possibility of character deaths or how much I over reacted - The void made the staff look biased to me and Holly. Holly wasn;t even home or online, so it truly sucks she got lumped into that whole thing. White, as a character, was pregnant during all of this. Her reactiosn were much different off her own lands and again, they were challenged. I did not have a problem with MJ after you explained yourself - I understood. I may not have agreed, and I was still pissed at the idea of White dying - but I got your point. My concern was Acer, having never gone against her mother. That was literally the only thing that I was not understanding. Still, it's whatever. The void for all the reasons staff said was still unfounded, IMO, and I, in fact, told maddi and staff this same thing. Because staff shouldn;t have rule don it anyway. Now, the demotions - I understand that you might not understand why White did it - but White was not intending to hurt them. I explained this to several people whom approache dme OOC in Fallen to ask what was going on. White was hurt that her favorite child was spending so much time away, and that the group challenged (maybe that is a poor word for this but) Fados - the man she loves. It is all likely meaningless to you and I understand if you find it hard to believe me - and I do not fault you for it. But Whit eis cracking, she has been for a long time. As evidence in her posts she is sometimes merciful, sometimes brutal. She, as a character, is complex and is wearing down. the intention was for her to meet an untimely end when this litter is 2 years due to her becoming weak minded. She demoted for 2 reasons, to see how they would react, and because as previously stated, she is wishy washy and unstable. Again, I do not fault you if you think this is all horseshit. I am just trying to cast a little light on things from my side. I understand how you might feel it is ooc to ic - I totally get it. And unfortunately there is literally no way to prove it is not, just my word. NOW having said that -
04/01/15 11:43:55 Gate: A lot of changes occured in vale as a result of this situation and previous situations. Staff were let go. holly and I stepped down and went to silent owners instea dof staffing - as was always intended. We're returning to our roots. Plots, Council voting, owners not staffing. Patron input. Raffles and giveaways, all the things we used to do in an effort to clean up the stuff that needed to be fixed. I am sorry that my actions or bipolar reactions caused you to have a negative vibe of me. I can not speak much to them (my words wouldn;t change nor affect the past anyway) except that I am sorry, and I did not mean to hurt nor upset anyone.
04/01/15 11:58:20 Cascades: That's the thing though. I don't really care about what happend with Wildfire. Or rather... It has little effect on MY situation. I understand why you were already grumpy about it, but it really plays no part in my situation. The only thing about Wildfire that effected my situation, was the hyprocritical comment you gave. For the most part, nothing IC directly effected me. As I said. I dont care, because I try to leave IC as IC. Even if I personally feel something is not accurate. Unless it's a HUGE BIG DEAL. I usually don't care, I just work with what people give me and RP accordingly, even if I feel there character isnt being played appropriately, I don't actually know. So I just fucking rp. That same concept applied to this. Me and Ace, while we understand "peoples" logic behind claiming you OOC to IC'd to leave. We didn't care. We would work with whatever RP led to. Because that's all we wanted. We didn't wanna argue something that really didnt matter enough, all it would have done is exactly what it did. Cause unneccessary drama, when instead we could have been RPing. And Ace. First and foremost. Ace was, from what i've heard, born in a period where people were IRL busy. No prob! Totally understand! but those of us ON, can't just... keep our charas on Pause until you get a chance to come on, so that way YOU look active. This applies  to both Ace as a child, and Fallen when we left. We OOCly don't care. But ICly. We can't just assume your charas are doing things, because thats controlling your characters and OOC to ICing. Especially in a place where 1 week = 1 month. If you're gone for a week, that's a LOT of time ICly passing. And as a Alpha, thats even MORE so. Once again. OOCly. I dont care! But ICly. That leaves our characters thinking our leaders arnt active and dont do there jobs. Ace, grew up fairly alone teaching herself, adn then met Carniv. Which, I never thought of ot it before, might seem suspicious, but it wasn't anticipated. I made Carniv so she had someone to RP with to develop Acer. Well.. It just kinda turned out to be that Carniv told her she was better than Fallen, being the old fashioned man he is. He didn't agree with Fallen's customs, and wanted Ace aware she was capable and strong enough to choose her own path. So he helped teach her to hunt and fight. FROM THERE. I was expecting to just eventually kill off Carniv with his old age. I wasnt expecting to ever get legitimately envolved in Fallen. But... Mursili captured MJ. This was not an intent. SO. Ace was pumped with the idea that Fallen is below her, and then her and MJ turned into a thing. Granit. At first, MJ hated her. Then she was freaked out by her, then they started liking each other( LITERALLY ONLY BECAUSE I RPED WITH HER THE MOST. So MJ got the MOST attention and teachings and everything else, from Ace ), and one day they got into a spat over nto understanding there feelings and hating but loving each other, and MJ's temper caused her to burst and spill that she hates Fallen, and they WOULD have faught and someone would have died, had Ace not also been against it. But MJ was prepared to beat a bitch. WELP. That happend, and then got even closer, and talked about getting out of Fallen, and making there own choices. So Ace, from day one, for the most part, also couldn't stand Fallen. If I understand correctly based on our rps and such, Ace Loves White. Because White is her mother. That's it. She can't help but love her mother, but she also cant stand her. She can't stand that she isn't given the attention she desires(or atleast wasnt), and with all the shit going on with MJ and Mursili, and then Alcide's disprespect, and then Fados, and then White siding with him, she gave up trying. She wanted out but didnt want to disappoint her mother. She was just as bipolar as the rest of us, conflicting emotions. Well. When the fight happend. you have to think. #1. Just as you say, White loves Fados so she acted unreasonably to defend him.... Well... Why is it wierd that Ace did the same thing for MJ? Even if White told her to stop MJ,[
04/01/15 11:58:45 Cascades: Ace, MJ, and everyone else in Fallen would automatically assume MJ were to be killed immediately after for such a thing. Because thats what they expect out of White.[c]
04/01/15 12:00:39 Cascades: NOW. That being SAID. TECHNICALLY SPEAKING. IN OUR FIGHT. White moved behind Fados, and THEN spoke. AT THE SAME TIME. Fados went to jerk forward to stop MJ, and Ace nabbed Fados. AKA. Fados couldnt have said shit cuze Ace was also biting him, and secondly. Fados being STOPed by Ace, meant one of two things. MJ is not blocked from jumping Fados and getting White, so White either stops and tries to talk but is cut off mid way by MJ attacking her. OR White doesnt stop to talk, and runs off. Either way. There really would have been little to no time for anyone to say anything.
04/01/15 12:01:38 Cascades: Everything after, White stepping down, etc etc. That means nothing to me, not because i dont care. But because it does not directly effect the situation. Because ICly,  MJ doesnt know any of that. And frankly even if she did, she wouldnt care still because MJ was pissed the fuck off over everything going on, and wanted to kill some mofos.
04/01/15 12:04:01 Gate: The fight locked and we were then not allowed to continue via the void - but I would have prefered to simply let it play out IC. Yes, I over reacted but upon reflection and the next day when I had stopped to think and not acted on impulse (I also had a fair amount of rl shit that day so that likely affected my emotional capacity and aided in my shit fest over White) - and O apologize for that. I understand that Ace was denfending MJ, and I know she hates Fallen and White - it just ICly didn;t make sense at the time - like you saying White stepping down isn;t your concern - I totally get that, I just wanted to give some insight as to WHY it happened IC, which is the same for WHY Ace did not listen to White.
04/01/15 12:04:23 Gate: I apologize I have a headache so I am starting to be a bit derp in my wording
04/01/15 12:05:18 Cascades: Its fine. And I know you were using it to explain our punishment. But as I said. I dont care about the contents of the rps. I care that, after all that had prior to the demotions
04/01/15 12:05:24 Cascades: after all that assuming at us
04/01/15 12:05:29 Cascades: and us letting it all go
04/01/15 12:05:33 Cascades: even though it was clearly bullshit
04/01/15 12:05:40 Cascades: that that can happen, and no one question anything
04/01/15 12:06:43 Cascades: im not saying you dont have reason behind it, because like i said, you didnt understand us. didnt mean we didnt have reason. the point was, that we got screwed, voided, and accused, and then that happens and its perfectly chill no questions asked.
04/01/15 12:07:21 Cascades: That you kind of make situations biased by how you act and respond and handle things.
04/01/15 12:07:56 Gate: I am sorry that this happened, not because you left vale. not becaus eof Cascades, but because you, as a person, along with several others, were hurt or upset by it.
04/01/15 12:08:25 Gate: I can only apologize and try to move forward and be mor emindful int he future so that it does not happen again to anyone else
04/01/15 12:08:44 Gate: I know it means little, but Holly and I DID question it.
04/01/15 12:09:12 Gate: I am sorry that I was too caught up in my own emotions to contact and speak with YOU because that may have saved a lot of un ndeeded hurt
04/01/15 12:09:59 Cascades: And I hope that happens. As I said I don't intend to let this linger. Had you not questioned me, I wouldn't have braught it up and talked to you as casually as I always do. Because, there's no reason to hold grudges and keep a situation boiling for years when it can be set aside and dealt with.
04/01/15 12:12:41 Gate: Thank you. I didn't bring it up to further any drama or anything, in fact I wanted to give you a chance to say what affected or upset you, and I hope that shows you that I do care about your feelings, and that I do want to consider your (and others!) feelings. I don;t have a grduge nor animosity towards you, or maddie, or Denise, or Ace - I am not trying to invent any either I just want to dispell any rumors that may or may not be circulating.
04/01/15 12:14:34 Cascades: I'm honestly not concerned with you worrying about my feelings. Granit that comes off sounding horrible. But. I don't expect people to care about my personal emotions, I had an issue because it was biased, and as Staff + a Owner things should be handled in a MORE than professional/calm manner because thats there jobs. You, on a personal level, I didnt care. It was You as an owner, and everyone else, as Staff. that I cared about.
04/01/15 12:14:38 Cascades: But,
04/01/15 12:14:45 Cascades: I do appreciate your concern for my feelings.
04/01/15 12:16:08 Gate: I respect what you;re saying - but on another level - you were, at the time, a patron - meaning that we, as a dream/staff./owner failed a patron, or a group of patrons - hence why it needs to be addressed and fixed. This matters on a personal level as well as a professional level - if that makes sense
04/01/15 12:16:50 Cascades: No no. I'm not saying I disagree with your thoughts. I'm just saying, I wasn't EXPECTING it to pan out that way.
04/01/15 12:17:24 Gate: I know #SO Sorry, headache - not thinking the most clearly haha
04/01/15 12:17:31 Cascades: It's fine bro.
04/01/15 12:17:34 Gate: Now on a different level.
04/01/15 12:17:38 Cascades: Shoot.
04/01/15 12:17:41 Gate: FIRST anything else you want.need to say?
04/01/15 12:18:44 Cascades: I don't think so. Something might come to mind later, as i said there was a lot, idr a lot of it. But. I doubt any of it is of importance, it was just add ons to my discomfort. Not...... individual situations that concerned. For. As I said all of what I explained I wasnt TO concerned with individually. It was all of it together, became to much for my comfort.
04/01/15 12:18:45 Cascades: BUT UM.
04/01/15 12:19:03 Cascades: No not really, because nothing else really bothers me? I only had concern with that situation.
04/01/15 12:19:09 Gate: Mk well you;re welcomed to come to me later if you so desire
04/01/15 12:19:20 Gate: Now - where is Cascades planning to upload?
04/01/15 12:19:22 Cascades: Sounds good. Was there something you wanted to address me on?
04/01/15 12:19:39 Cascades: We'll be in this corner right here, for a little bit.
04/01/15 12:19:44 Cascades: But we're planning to move.
04/01/15 12:20:18 Gate: No worries - just making sure! I don;t care, personally - I just know that Maddi, myself and Holly all have dreams coming and I didn;t want to load on your spot or have anyone else do so
04/01/15 12:20:38 Cascades: Understandable.
04/01/15 12:21:00 Cascades: Yes I intended to be in this corner, until we upgrade, and with our upgrade I intend to move us to a more mature level dream.
04/01/15 12:21:14 Cascades: ...dream.... world?
04/01/15 12:21:21 Cascades: whatever AI and the like are.
04/01/15 12:21:28 Gate: We'll all have packages so I want spots secure respectfully - and that makes sense.
04/01/15 12:21:37 Gate: yeah the PG 13 setting is sometimes...well
04/01/15 12:21:40 * Cascades does as well.
04/01/15 12:21:51 Gate: It makes those that like a more adult envornment diffcult
04/01/15 12:21:55 Gate: *environment
04/01/15 12:21:55 Cascades: Aye.
04/01/15 12:22:11 Cascades: And our dream is meant to be more realistic/brutal. So. We'll need a 16+ enviorment.
04/01/15 12:22:43 Gate: Implied I take it?
04/01/15 12:22:47 Cascades: No Consent.
04/01/15 12:22:56 Gate: having to cater to seperate consent levels is hard
04/01/15 12:23:09 Gate: And yes, Implied, No conset - that is what i meant sorry haha
04/01/15 12:23:10 Cascades: Indeed it is. I imagine some people won't care for the No Consent.
04/01/15 12:23:26 Gate: Yeah, I tried to switch vale over to Implied
04/01/15 12:23:35 Gate: but it wa snot not something most wanted
04/01/15 12:23:48 Gate: But There are a LOT of people that do like No consent
04/01/15 12:23:51 Cascades: Well Implied can vary. Aka, implied might mean if you're a pack at a den yo ucant deny rp/take overs, but loners can deny. implied makes way for specifications in certain standards.
04/01/15 12:23:56 Cascades: No Consent, is..... no consent. LOL
04/01/15 12:24:02 Gate: OH gotcha
04/01/15 12:24:18 Gate: I should know this. Considering I have been on Furc since the start. Derp
04/01/15 12:24:27 Gate: Aggressive packs do best in No consent
04/01/15 12:25:00 Cascades: Well even non aggressive frankly. It prevents people from feeling like they're left "out of the group", but. yes Aggressive packs definately strive.
04/01/15 12:25:07 Cascades: As I said it's meant to be a more brutal dream
04/01/15 12:25:12 * Gate nod
04/01/15 12:26:35 Cascades: fuck its hootttt
04/01/15 12:26:35 Cascades: brb
04/01/15 12:27:00 Gate: D: yeah it;s hot here recently too
04/01/15 12:27:31 Gate: I might throw Caw into Cascades. He is a no consent char.
04/01/15 12:27:34 Cascades: Honestly though. I should probubly thank you. This might not sound like the best.. thank you reason but. Had this not happend i'd have never made my own dream. And i've been trying to for... what.. 8 years now.
04/01/15 12:29:15 Gate: I mean - you're....welcome? o.o
04/01/15 12:29:20 Gate: Idk how to respond to that
04/01/15 12:29:22 Gate: lol
04/01/15 12:29:30 Cascades: Sorry I know it sounds odd.
04/01/15 12:29:36 Gate: Like I am sorry and you're welcome...
04/01/15 12:29:37 Gate: Idk
04/01/15 12:29:43 Cascades: You dont have to reply at all.