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  1. [Fri Jul 31 16:48:28 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'thank you for hosting this Skyp and co '
  2. [Fri Jul 31 16:54:12 2015] Gunungjato tells the raid, 'good evening - Remnants of Prexus here'
  3. [Fri Jul 31 16:54:34 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'Hello Remmnants ==D'
  4. [Fri Jul 31 16:55:50 2015] You tell your raid, 'Let me know who your representatives are and I'll move your guys to your corresponding guild group.'
  5. [Fri Jul 31 17:00:09 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'evening gents'
  6. [Fri Jul 31 17:00:16 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, 'sup bonl'
  7. [Fri Jul 31 17:00:20 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'Good evening'
  8. [Fri Jul 31 17:00:25 2015] Gunungjato tells the raid, 'good evening'
  9. [Fri Jul 31 17:00:27 2015] Athiyk tells the raid, 'Hail, Bonl'
  10. [Fri Jul 31 17:00:33 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'Hello!'
  11. [Fri Jul 31 17:00:44 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'hi hons'
  12. [Fri Jul 31 17:00:44 2015] Gynx tells the raid, 'hey all'
  13. [Fri Jul 31 17:00:44 2015] You tell your raid, 'Track, was there anyone else that you wanted in this raid?'
  14. [Fri Jul 31 17:01:23 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'Can you toss gozzrem an invite? Thank you.'
  15. [Fri Jul 31 17:02:37 2015] You tell your raid, 'Thalanos is kind of a third party representative from the remains of RoI on this server. He's not here as an entity of the server but rather someone who is potentially looking to reform whatever players didn't leave.'
  16. [Fri Jul 31 17:02:41 2015] You tell your raid, 'That sound about right?'
  17. [Fri Jul 31 17:02:50 2015] Thalanos tells the raid, 'yes'
  18. [Fri Jul 31 17:02:59 2015] You tell your raid, 'Saytonic is passed out somewhere with an AFK message. We're trying to get ahold of him.'
  19. [Fri Jul 31 17:03:15 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'we waiting for a bit still?'
  20. [Fri Jul 31 17:03:28 2015] You tell your raid, 'yea, we cool to start at 7:15 PM EST?'
  21. [Fri Jul 31 17:03:39 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'sounds good to me.'
  22. [Fri Jul 31 17:03:41 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'thats fine with me i'll brb in a couple mins'
  23. [Fri Jul 31 17:03:49 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'Skyp - is First going ot be a part of this conversation?'
  24. [Fri Jul 31 17:03:51 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'fine with me but keep in mind some of us are hours ahead of est'
  25. [Fri Jul 31 17:04:07 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, '*Reaches for the next bottle of whiskey*'
  26. [Fri Jul 31 17:04:15 2015] You tell your raid, 'Jains going to be here at 8:00 PM EST. He's still presently at work, trying to get First into here but he's afk right now.'
  27. [Fri Jul 31 17:06:36 2015] You tell your raid, 'I talked to Breeze, she's presently in a raid waiting for Nagafen. We will relay the discussion to her as we go.'
  28. [Fri Jul 31 17:06:51 2015] Gynx tells the raid, 'ok'
  29. [Fri Jul 31 17:07:05 2015] You tell your raid, 'We'll start the discussion in 9 minutes.'
  30. [Fri Jul 31 17:07:17 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'beautiful coffee run!'
  31. [Fri Jul 31 17:07:47 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'agreed, off to get rum.'
  32. [Fri Jul 31 17:08:12 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'I think he said run'
  33. [Fri Jul 31 17:08:24 2015] Cutie tells the raid, 'is there a difference?'
  34. [Fri Jul 31 17:08:30 2015] Eaza tells the raid, ':D'
  35. [Fri Jul 31 17:08:43 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'Doesnt all coffee have rum in it?'
  36. [Fri Jul 31 17:08:48 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'I didn't want the joke to go unnoticed'
  37. [Fri Jul 31 17:08:50 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'Mine does '
  38. [Fri Jul 31 17:12:05 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'back'
  39. [Fri Jul 31 17:12:20 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'welcome back!'
  40. [Fri Jul 31 17:12:38 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'ty'
  41. [Fri Jul 31 17:16:10 2015] You tell your raid, 'Group 1 - Twisted Legacy, Group 2 - False Prophecy, Group 3 - Remants of Prexus, Group 4 - The Last Guardian, Group 5 - Rosengard, Group 6 - Apok, Group 7 - Ceaseless, Group 8 - Canadian Armed Forces. Thalanos - Up and coming guild'
  42. [Fri Jul 31 17:16:37 2015] You tell your raid, 'Breeze will be forwarded the discussion as we go.'
  43. [Fri Jul 31 17:17:02 2015] You tell your raid, 'Before this discussion starts, I think it needs to be said that all aggression towards each other needs to be put aside.'
  44. [Fri Jul 31 17:17:30 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'I send ells to a few people from Ageless Assencion - However i cannot reach an officer / leader -- however i will forward logs to them '
  45. [Fri Jul 31 17:18:18 2015] You tell your raid, 'That being said, we're going to go over a few items that I feel should be discussed on the topic. My input will not be added to the conversation unless otherwise asked.'
  46. [Fri Jul 31 17:18:48 2015] You tell your raid, '#1 How do people currently feel about the present rotation that is already listed on the DBG forums?'
  47. [Fri Jul 31 17:19:26 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'are we ready then?'
  48. [Fri Jul 31 17:19:28 2015] Gynx tells the raid, 'I think the current rotation is fine for the most part. There are a few proposed rules that I think would clarify some of the ambiguity'
  49. [Fri Jul 31 17:19:48 2015] Gynx tells the raid, 'regarding trades, gatekeepers attempts, those kind of things'
  50. [Fri Jul 31 17:19:57 2015] You tell your raid, 'One sec, Darkwind wants to join the discussion.'
  51. [Fri Jul 31 17:21:21 2015] Cutie tells the raid, 'I think thats a very difficult question to answer. I think the current rotation serves as a decent template for what a rotation should be. But it could definitely use work. Along with what Gynx said, qualifications for being removed from the rotation should be clarified and stated.'
  52. [Fri Jul 31 17:22:03 2015] Zeksy tells the raid, 'It may work for the time being but I don't see it working very effectively when there are 7 or 8 guilds in rotation, and I'm not entirely convinced that with Nagafen as the gatekeeper that new guilds will have a chance to get in the rotation without weeks going by'
  53. [Fri Jul 31 17:22:31 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'The current rotation in my opinion does not handle expansion very well. I also believe that the current gatekeeper should not be a mob with in the rotation. It does not allow guilds to join fast enough.'
  54. [Fri Jul 31 17:22:35 2015] You tell your raid, 'Syrgen and Birkoff are representing Darkwind.'
  55. [Fri Jul 31 17:23:09 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'i was thinking vox/naggy both gate keepers and they are of equal difficulty and it will filter guilds in 2 at a time per week'
  56. [Fri Jul 31 17:23:32 2015] Gynx tells the raid, 'Sagnid - to clarify - the rotaiton is ok, but adding new guilds to the rotation with the current gatekeeper does not work in your mind?'
  57. [Fri Jul 31 17:23:34 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'I agree with zek and sag. The qualification mob should be difficult, but not a rotation target.'
  58. [Fri Jul 31 17:23:35 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'vox sounds good as 2nd gatekeeper'
  59. [Fri Jul 31 17:23:44 2015] Thalanos tells the raid, 'In regards to the rotation, I'm not a huge fan. There are two different types of guilds present here. 1) 24/7 guilds and 2) guilds that would prefer scheduled raid times. My preference would be to have two separate rotations.'
  60. [Fri Jul 31 17:23:58 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'I disagree. A guild should not have to give up the only two mobs of relevance to allow a guild to join the rotation. A island boss in sky if what I was leaning to.'
  61. [Fri Jul 31 17:24:09 2015] Zeksy tells the raid, 'agreed'
  62. [Fri Jul 31 17:24:11 2015] Overcast tells the raid, 'i think it should be a npc not in the rotation to give better acess to attempts'
  63. [Fri Jul 31 17:24:28 2015] You tell your raid, 'What mob in sky are you guys proposing?'
  64. [Fri Jul 31 17:24:36 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'the mobs would be on the ffa rotation'
  65. [Fri Jul 31 17:24:58 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'Skyp - Spiroc Lord'
  66. [Fri Jul 31 17:24:59 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'and if that was the case, with eight guilds in the rotation. We would be adding one new guild every two weeks'
  67. [Fri Jul 31 17:25:24 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'not really'
  68. [Fri Jul 31 17:25:25 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'Sprioc lord only serves to block people from the rotation.'
  69. [Fri Jul 31 17:25:27 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'Spiroc lord. Would second that'
  70. [Fri Jul 31 17:25:41 2015] You tell your raid, 'What do you say that Melveny?'
  71. [Fri Jul 31 17:25:44 2015] You tell your raid, 'Why*'
  72. [Fri Jul 31 17:25:46 2015] Zeksy tells the raid, 'why do you feel that it blocks people from rotation?'
  73. [Fri Jul 31 17:25:56 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'If you can field a 72 player raid, you should be able to kill Spiroc Lord. It proves dedication in getting keys, and requires some level of team play, with the enchanters.'
  74. [Fri Jul 31 17:26:06 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, 'Spiroc Lord is available a lot more frequently than any of the current rotation mobs, I'm not sure how you could say it would block guilds.'
  75. [Fri Jul 31 17:26:30 2015] Birkoff tells the raid, 'a sky boss is a a good choice yea. but i see it easy for one of the rotation guilds to block guilds by keeping one plane perma cleared'
  76. [Fri Jul 31 17:26:31 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'I liek the idea of Spiroc lord,then we dont have random noob guilds messing shit up'
  77. [Fri Jul 31 17:26:33 2015] Gynx tells the raid, 'only concern is Spiroc lord being pet walled down where is the other gatekeepers require tactics'
  78. [Fri Jul 31 17:26:39 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'Its a 6 hour spawn which is up all the time and im almost 100&PCT; sure you would be able to convince all of us not to kill him on next sunday because you wanted an attempt'
  79. [Fri Jul 31 17:26:54 2015] You tell your raid, 'You can pet wall any mob in the current rotation significantly easier then the spire lord.'
  80. [Fri Jul 31 17:26:56 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'None of the current gatekeepers require tactics, just an fyi.'
  81. [Fri Jul 31 17:27:04 2015] You tell your raid, 'spiroc*'
  82. [Fri Jul 31 17:27:12 2015] Gynx tells the raid, 'well you have to deal with fear, so ;p'
  83. [Fri Jul 31 17:27:21 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'Sky pops every 6 hours - it alot more feasible to key up then one might think'
  84. [Fri Jul 31 17:27:55 2015] Cutie tells the raid, 'I think if we are going to make Spiroc Lord the gatekeeper, we should institute a way for a guild to "reserve" their chance at the mobs, similar to how they would be give 3 hours on the current gatekeeper'
  85. [Fri Jul 31 17:27:59 2015] Gynx tells the raid, 'Zeksy how does False Prophecy feel about Spiroc lord?'
  86. [Fri Jul 31 17:28:02 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'i like casual guilds, but if you cant put in the time or effort... I dont thinky ou should be handed a spot in the rotation'
  87. [Fri Jul 31 17:28:16 2015] Cutie tells the raid, 'any guild that clears the mob during the reserved window should be held accountable to breaking the rotation'
  88. [Fri Jul 31 17:28:19 2015] Zeksy tells the raid, 'Absolutely good with it'
  89. [Fri Jul 31 17:28:36 2015] Matthias tells the raid, '<False Prophecy> is fine with Spiroc Lord'
  90. [Fri Jul 31 17:28:37 2015] Gynx tells the raid, 'Why the spiroc lord? Just availability?'
  91. [Fri Jul 31 17:28:45 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'Yes- '
  92. [Fri Jul 31 17:28:46 2015] Cutie tells the raid, 'and difficulty'
  93. [Fri Jul 31 17:28:55 2015] You tell your raid, 'Ok so this is what we're gonna do'
  94. [Fri Jul 31 17:29:00 2015] Bossboy tells the raid, 'Pet walling is not something I want to see used as a means of getting into rotation.'
  95. [Fri Jul 31 17:29:03 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'You need to put in days worth of work to keep to it, and it requires active enchanters to lock the island down imo'
  96. [Fri Jul 31 17:29:06 2015] You tell your raid, 'Only 1 person, from each of the 9 guilds here. can vote'
  97. [Fri Jul 31 17:29:16 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'can we agree that spiroc lord is harder than some of the encounters on the actual rotation?'
  98. [Fri Jul 31 17:29:20 2015] You tell your raid, 'you can discuss the vote before it gets thrown up. But only 1 vote from your guild will be counted'
  99. [Fri Jul 31 17:29:31 2015] Gunungjato tells the raid, 'is the idea only spirac lord or will there be multiple gate keepers?'
  100. [Fri Jul 31 17:29:31 2015] You tell your raid, 'If you want Nagafen/Vox to be the gatekeeper to the rotation, press 1'
  101. [Fri Jul 31 17:29:35 2015] You tell your raid, 'If you want spiroc lord, press 2'
  102. [Fri Jul 31 17:29:38 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'for clarify, are we talking about adding another mob to the gatekeeper list, or replacing the current one?'
  103. [Fri Jul 31 17:29:42 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'I disagree with discriminating against valid game play uses.'
  104. [Fri Jul 31 17:29:47 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'clarity*'
  105. [Fri Jul 31 17:29:48 2015] Matthias tells the raid, '2'
  106. [Fri Jul 31 17:29:50 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, '2'
  107. [Fri Jul 31 17:29:51 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, '2'
  108. [Fri Jul 31 17:29:52 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'replacing '
  109. [Fri Jul 31 17:29:58 2015] Zeksy tells the raid, 'i believe we are talking about replacing the current one '
  110. [Fri Jul 31 17:30:02 2015] You tell your raid, 'correct.'
  111. [Fri Jul 31 17:30:06 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, '2'
  112. [Fri Jul 31 17:30:10 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, '2'
  113. [Fri Jul 31 17:30:25 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'something tells me conversations happend before now.'
  114. [Fri Jul 31 17:30:29 2015] Gynx tells the raid, 'I am curious Skyp, are you trying to use these votes as deciding factors or to gauge where things currently stand?'
  115. [Fri Jul 31 17:30:55 2015] You tell your raid, 'Both. If you disagree with their proposal. Explain why you disagree.'
  116. [Fri Jul 31 17:30:57 2015] Zeksy tells the raid, 'i would hope so, otherwise this meeting could go on for 6 hours or more if the forums are any indication'
  117. [Fri Jul 31 17:31:08 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'hes trolling us all, hes making his own decision '
  118. [Fri Jul 31 17:31:27 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'id like a third option: why not use Naggy, Vox, and Spiroc lord?'
  119. [Fri Jul 31 17:31:44 2015] Overcast tells the raid, 'i think its unrealstic to say you cant pet spam some mobs down, like bee,efreeti are only killable by pets atm '
  120. [Fri Jul 31 17:31:45 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'why put the most important mob as the keeper?'
  121. [Fri Jul 31 17:31:45 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'I feel like it should be added, sure, but replacing the current one seems needless...I liked the idea of having more than 1 gatekeeper'
  122. [Fri Jul 31 17:31:50 2015] Overcast tells the raid, 'because they are super overbuffed'
  123. [Fri Jul 31 17:31:51 2015] You tell your raid, 'If we use Naggy and Vox as a gatekeeper we have to add them to a FFA period.'
  124. [Fri Jul 31 17:31:56 2015] Cutie tells the raid, 'i think the point is currently, we are 12 days away from a shot at naggy, where as we could go kill spiroc lord in 12 hours'
  125. [Fri Jul 31 17:32:19 2015] Zeksy tells the raid, 'that's my thinking as well Cutie'
  126. [Fri Jul 31 17:32:24 2015] Cutie tells the raid, 'theres not enough FFA days in the current rotation to allow for a decent time frame for a new guild the chance at naggy or vox'
  127. [Fri Jul 31 17:32:26 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'that, and naggy is the most important target'
  128. [Fri Jul 31 17:32:29 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'that was what i was saying skyp. they are on the ffa and its 2 targets'
  129. [Fri Jul 31 17:32:33 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'why would u ffa to enter rotation '
  130. [Fri Jul 31 17:32:35 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'it filters guilds entering the raid scene'
  131. [Fri Jul 31 17:32:37 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'that's very true, but why replace naggy, when you could just add spiroc as well?'
  132. [Fri Jul 31 17:32:45 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'Thats my problem with naggy as the gatekeeper as well. It does not allow guilds to join the rotation before Kunark launches.'
  133. [Fri Jul 31 17:33:00 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'you can either wait, or go attempt a harder mob (or prove you can petwall like a champ)'
  134. [Fri Jul 31 17:33:02 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'Because a guild should not have to give up naggy loot to allow another to join the rotation.'
  135. [Fri Jul 31 17:33:15 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'I agree with Sagnid'
  136. [Fri Jul 31 17:33:23 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'why not just ADD options to enter, instead of replacing? Spiroc Lord is harder to kill than Naggy for sure'
  137. [Fri Jul 31 17:33:23 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'How many Cof, and Vox cloaks do you wnat to get before Kunark?'
  138. [Fri Jul 31 17:33:25 2015] Cutie tells the raid, 'technically with the attempts being made as a FFA target, noone is giving up loot'
  139. [Fri Jul 31 17:33:31 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'I agree wtih Sagnid..'
  140. [Fri Jul 31 17:33:49 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'Thats not true, as of now. Guilds are lined up to get a shot at naggy un molested.'
  141. [Fri Jul 31 17:33:55 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'Thats not ffa, thats a given shot to join the rotation'
  142. [Fri Jul 31 17:34:20 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, 'The main benefits I see to making Spiroc Lord the gatekeeper over Naggy is the fact that 1) It doesn't complicate the rotation in any which way, and 2) It allows guilds to have an opportunity to join the rotation without having an absurdly long line'
  143. [Fri Jul 31 17:34:24 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'an option would be this: Each guild gets 1(one) attempt to join the rotation on a FFA target, or by killing the Spiroc Lord (Which is harder than the rotation mobs)'
  144. [Fri Jul 31 17:34:48 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, 'Something to remember also is the fact that as the rotation gets larger, the wait time between FFA periods get longer as well'
  145. [Fri Jul 31 17:34:53 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'Why make it harder than it should be to keep track of? Just go kill spiroc lord and join the rotation.. '
  146. [Fri Jul 31 17:34:59 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'I would be ok with a guild not in the rotation, being allowed to joined the rotation. If they beat another guild on a ffa spawn'
  147. [Fri Jul 31 17:35:05 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'i with bonlgon on this 1'
  148. [Fri Jul 31 17:35:08 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'I would not be ok if its a given attempt.'
  149. [Fri Jul 31 17:35:19 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'should current guilds inrotation also go kill the buffed spiroc lord then?'
  150. [Fri Jul 31 17:35:19 2015] Zeksy tells the raid, 'i can understand though that if someone on rotation is not able to kill naggy or vox and a guild not on rotation wants to kill it during the FFA that follows a rotating guilds attempt, that without either mob being the official gatekeeper, taking it down would serve to prove that you are able to handle the raid targets and should be on the raid rotation'
  151. [Fri Jul 31 17:35:24 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'Its hard enough as it is atm to keep track of who is next and whos attemptin the next ffa in the rotation'
  152. [Fri Jul 31 17:35:31 2015] You tell your raid, 'Ok as a starting point, who here opposes to adding The Spiroc Lord as a gate keeper? We'll move forward that way.'
  153. [Fri Jul 31 17:35:53 2015] Gynx tells the raid, 'Skyp giv eme a sec to formulate a though'
  154. [Fri Jul 31 17:35:57 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'Why dont we select a sky target thats more in line with the rotation mobs in difficulty?'
  155. [Fri Jul 31 17:35:58 2015] You tell your raid, 'You bet.'
  156. [Fri Jul 31 17:36:07 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'i oppose'
  157. [Fri Jul 31 17:36:17 2015] You tell your raid, 'Trackanon, what do you have in mind?'
  158. [Fri Jul 31 17:36:27 2015] Gynx tells the raid, 'I want to know what the stipulations of killing the gatekeeper are --- like '
  159. [Fri Jul 31 17:36:37 2015] Gynx tells the raid, 'waiting to 100&PCT; regen on a wipe that kind of trhing'
  160. [Fri Jul 31 17:36:54 2015] You tell your raid, 'Kk, that is a more simplistic point to discuss. We can briefly come back to this'
  161. [Fri Jul 31 17:37:02 2015] You tell your raid, 'lets put the gatekeeper mob on hold and iron out the easier details first.'
  162. [Fri Jul 31 17:37:19 2015] You tell your raid, 'Lets say Guild A is up next on Cazic Thule'
  163. [Fri Jul 31 17:37:43 2015] You tell your raid, 'I guess what I'm saying is, how long do they have to kill it? What stipulations should they follow if they wipe.'
  164. [Fri Jul 31 17:38:20 2015] Melveny tells the raid, '3 hours is more than fair and reasonable'
  165. [Fri Jul 31 17:38:22 2015] Zeksy tells the raid, 'the 3 hours that was originally proposed seems reasonable to me '
  166. [Fri Jul 31 17:38:26 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'mob regens to full, and you can engage once its ffa.'
  167. [Fri Jul 31 17:38:32 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, '3 hours is solid'
  168. [Fri Jul 31 17:38:41 2015] Gynx tells the raid, 'My questions are: Is pet walling a viable tactic? Clean kil requirement?'
  169. [Fri Jul 31 17:38:51 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'not for entering rot'
  170. [Fri Jul 31 17:38:52 2015] Birkoff tells the raid, '3houers from spawn or 3houers from engaged?'
  171. [Fri Jul 31 17:38:55 2015] You tell your raid, 'Ok, I should add the current raid mobs have 24 hours after death before a window opens. After it dies they could take approximately 20 hours for it to respawn.'
  172. [Fri Jul 31 17:39:00 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'It is not your place to question a guilds tactics Gynx'
  173. [Fri Jul 31 17:39:01 2015] Melveny tells the raid, '3 hours from spawn'
  174. [Fri Jul 31 17:39:02 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'Of course pet walling is a valid. When a dev says its not, I will agree.'
  175. [Fri Jul 31 17:39:14 2015] Birkoff tells the raid, 'disagree then'
  176. [Fri Jul 31 17:39:26 2015] You tell your raid, '20 hours after the window opens*'
  177. [Fri Jul 31 17:39:35 2015] You tell your raid, 'What do you disagree with Birk?'
  178. [Fri Jul 31 17:39:47 2015] Birkoff tells the raid, '3houers from spawn'
  179. [Fri Jul 31 17:39:57 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'seems reasonable'
  180. [Fri Jul 31 17:40:05 2015] Cutie tells the raid, 'I think anywhere between 2 hours and 3 hours is more than enough time to mobilize, buff attempt, fail and attempt again. But it seems most people are ok with 3'
  181. [Fri Jul 31 17:40:08 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'welcome breeze'
  182. [Fri Jul 31 17:40:09 2015] You tell your raid, 'Breeze has joined the discussion - representating RoE'
  183. [Fri Jul 31 17:40:21 2015] Birkoff tells the raid, 'there is what 2 guilds who cn mobilize that?'
  184. [Fri Jul 31 17:40:29 2015] Overcast tells the raid, 'the big issue is ay if te window to engage it too long then we are lose out on spawns ever week'
  185. [Fri Jul 31 17:40:38 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, '^'
  186. [Fri Jul 31 17:40:49 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'I'd say 3 hours could work, but it really depends on alot of other things....especially the part of being excluded from the rotation if you fail to down the mob within the 3 hours two following spawns'
  187. [Fri Jul 31 17:40:59 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'birkoff, my thoughts, if a guild cant mobilize in 3hrs...'
  188. [Fri Jul 31 17:41:02 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'gtfo'
  189. [Fri Jul 31 17:41:12 2015] Cutie tells the raid, 'very eloquently stated.'
  190. [Fri Jul 31 17:41:14 2015] You tell your raid, 'Just as an aside'
  191. [Fri Jul 31 17:41:22 2015] Zeksy tells the raid, 'lol, but agree with Saytonic'
  192. [Fri Jul 31 17:41:44 2015] You tell your raid, 'You could also look at extending the 3 hours to something larger and say, Guild A has three attempts to kill the mob.'
  193. [Fri Jul 31 17:42:19 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'well we (Remnants of Prexus) only raid 2-3 nights officially, and 1-2 unofficial nights (lately), so I guess we'd be in the gtfo category lol'
  194. [Fri Jul 31 17:42:20 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'I disagree with 3attempts per mob Skyp. I would end up waiting all day for ROE to try three times'
  195. [Fri Jul 31 17:42:28 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'example, you have 3 hours to claim the mob..then 3 clean attempts?'
  196. [Fri Jul 31 17:42:47 2015] You tell your raid, 'To keep this discussion clean'
  197. [Fri Jul 31 17:42:50 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'skyp: before discussing the period of time to kill a mob, we should sort out what happens if you fail to kill the mob first'
  198. [Fri Jul 31 17:42:56 2015] Birkoff tells the raid, 'i think we are talking past each other here, if target a spawn at 2am euro time, we have till 5am to mobilize and kill it?'
  199. [Fri Jul 31 17:43:04 2015] You tell your raid, 'when talking about the rotation please use Guild A or Guild B - rather then using a specific guild name as an example.'
  200. [Fri Jul 31 17:43:07 2015] Cutie tells the raid, 'yes'
  201. [Fri Jul 31 17:43:12 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'these mobs are not their origional counter parts guilds will need to attempt and fail and learn the differnt encounter'
  202. [Fri Jul 31 17:43:16 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'yes that is how EQ works,'
  203. [Fri Jul 31 17:43:38 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'And 3 hours should be more then enough time to learn, and down a fight'
  204. [Fri Jul 31 17:43:43 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'we have already seen that with ROE and inni'
  205. [Fri Jul 31 17:43:48 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, '3 hours was just enough time to kill it'
  206. [Fri Jul 31 17:44:00 2015] Breeze tells the raid, 'Yes it was'
  207. [Fri Jul 31 17:44:16 2015] Breeze tells the raid, 'three hours to reasonable'
  208. [Fri Jul 31 17:44:22 2015] Breeze tells the raid, 'is * reasonable'
  209. [Fri Jul 31 17:44:22 2015] You tell your raid, 'Ok, so does everyone agree with 3 hours? Who disagrees'
  210. [Fri Jul 31 17:44:36 2015] Gynx tells the raid, '3hours is fine'
  211. [Fri Jul 31 17:44:39 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'depends the consequences if you fail to kill?'
  212. [Fri Jul 31 17:44:44 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'i like the duration how it stands, u have 3 hours from spawn and that 3 hours is urs to do what u need. Mobalize, buff, attempt/fail/succeed'
  213. [Fri Jul 31 17:45:15 2015] Cowwa tells the raid, 'why hasnt a time slot rotation basis been thought of at all rather then a boss specific ?'
  214. [Fri Jul 31 17:45:24 2015] You tell your raid, 'I assume if you fail. You lose the mob and it goes to the next guild or it becomes FFA.'
  215. [Fri Jul 31 17:45:39 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'were not open to fail = ffa'
  216. [Fri Jul 31 17:45:44 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'after 3 hours ur target opens to ffa'
  217. [Fri Jul 31 17:45:52 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'yes...but there was a proposal, that you should be excluded from the rotation if you failed to kill a mob twice'
  218. [Fri Jul 31 17:45:52 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'Cowwa I would say because other guilds are willing to batphone in the middle of the night.'
  219. [Fri Jul 31 17:45:56 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'I would HIGHLY support a time slot based rotation'
  220. [Fri Jul 31 17:46:02 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'i agree, it should become FFA'
  221. [Fri Jul 31 17:46:11 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'if 3hrs up,'
  222. [Fri Jul 31 17:46:15 2015] Thalanos tells the raid, 'Cowwa, that is why I am here. To propose a 2nd raid rotation for those who need timeslots.'
  223. [Fri Jul 31 17:46:24 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'say guild A fails to kill naggy spawn TWO times in a row...will they remain in rota or get excluded?'
  224. [Fri Jul 31 17:46:37 2015] Gynx tells the raid, 'THat proposal Syrgen was failing to kill the same boss two cycles in a row'
  225. [Fri Jul 31 17:46:39 2015] Thalanos tells the raid, 'It doesn't make sense to have remanants of prexus and even Rosen on a schedule that kills mobs that are not during their window.'
  226. [Fri Jul 31 17:47:00 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'well rosen is trading targets that are not in a favorable window for them, and i think that is fair but needs fine tuneing. @ Thalanos'
  227. [Fri Jul 31 17:47:00 2015] Cutie tells the raid, 'youre implying that other raid guilds dont have windows of preference'
  228. [Fri Jul 31 17:47:23 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'And I would think the US based guild would counter with the same. But there would be no way to create a fair system with such extreme spawns'
  229. [Fri Jul 31 17:47:26 2015] Thalanos tells the raid, 'that was just an example. I'm sure over half the guilds represented here would prefer a set raiding period.'
  230. [Fri Jul 31 17:47:32 2015] Breeze tells the raid, 'are you suggesting 3 hour/ 1 fail?'
  231. [Fri Jul 31 17:47:37 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'I feel we should making entering(and EXITING) the rotation much easier. If you fail to kill your target...youre out of the rotation and need to re-qualify.'
  232. [Fri Jul 31 17:47:37 2015] Cutie tells the raid, 'I dont think there should be a penalty for not being able to mobilize for a mob.'
  233. [Fri Jul 31 17:47:39 2015] Overcast tells the raid, 'i think we should define what "interfearing with the rotation is"'
  234. [Fri Jul 31 17:48:00 2015] Zeksy tells the raid, 'Matthias just got DC'd, he'll be back as soon as he can, apologies'
  235. [Fri Jul 31 17:48:06 2015] You tell your raid, 'No worries.'
  236. [Fri Jul 31 17:48:11 2015] Birkoff tells the raid, 'i agree with cutie'
  237. [Fri Jul 31 17:48:23 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'Requaling into the rotation with Spiroc lord would be easy, at must you would only miss a day, and drop to the end of the rotation.'
  238. [Fri Jul 31 17:48:27 2015] Cutie tells the raid, 'i dont think 1 failed attempt should boot you from the rotation. I would agree with, if you fail on the same mob, twice in a row, you should be removed'
  239. [Fri Jul 31 17:48:46 2015] Cutie tells the raid, 'if youre removed from the rotation, you should have a penalty period from rejoining'
  240. [Fri Jul 31 17:48:48 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'the three hours is yours, how many ever attempts you get in that time im fine with imo.'
  241. [Fri Jul 31 17:48:49 2015] Melveny tells the raid, '@ cutie that seems fair'
  242. [Fri Jul 31 17:48:53 2015] Gynx tells the raid, 'same boss 2 cycles in a row'
  243. [Fri Jul 31 17:48:58 2015] Cutie tells the raid, '1 week or 2 weeks, whatever seems fair'
  244. [Fri Jul 31 17:49:02 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'I liked the idea of the timeslot rotation though...it seemed fair the way First was laying it out..fair for everyone, and every type of guild'
  245. [Fri Jul 31 17:49:12 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'ok....then the trade system should be removed aswell, or the booting serves no real purpose'
  246. [Fri Jul 31 17:49:23 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'I do not agree with same boss in 2 full cycles. Thats a long time with more then four guilds. 2 bosses in a single cycle, yes I would agree.'
  247. [Fri Jul 31 17:49:26 2015] Melveny tells the raid, '@ Sagnid thats how it currently is and i would like it to stay that way. Its your 3 hours.'
  248. [Fri Jul 31 17:49:40 2015] Thalanos tells the raid, 'What are people's thoughts on this: Two rotations. M-Thurs on rotation 1. (TL/Apok/RoE?) And then scheduled raid d ays (Fri-Sun) for those who cannot commit to 24/7.'
  249. [Fri Jul 31 17:49:48 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'i agree with sagnid on that '
  250. [Fri Jul 31 17:49:53 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'Right now its next to impossible to be removed from the rotation, which is just stupid. And two failed kills should remove you.'
  251. [Fri Jul 31 17:50:05 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'ANY two failed kills'
  252. [Fri Jul 31 17:50:10 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'I dont agree on booting guilds on the grounds of not going after spawns.. if they are not able to kill em because they simply cant sure.. but if they decide not to go after it and let it pass into ffa thats different'
  253. [Fri Jul 31 17:50:28 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'agree bonlgon,'
  254. [Fri Jul 31 17:50:30 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'if you want to ffa your spawns, I dont have a problem with that.'
  255. [Fri Jul 31 17:50:39 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'i think that is reasonable'
  256. [Fri Jul 31 17:50:42 2015] Cutie tells the raid, 'I would agree witn bonl, if you dont mobilize for a target, because its out of your preferred window, that shouldnt be held against you'
  257. [Fri Jul 31 17:50:49 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'As ive said a billion times now im not batphoning my guild in the middle of the night to kill a mob... we opt out of that spawn'
  258. [Fri Jul 31 17:50:56 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'but not on the grounds of us not being able to kill it'
  259. [Fri Jul 31 17:51:12 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'np ill batphone them for u'
  260. [Fri Jul 31 17:51:45 2015] Zeksy tells the raid, 'i actually did like the idea of a timeslot rotation as well, and i like the point bon is making, but it does bring up how do you prove that you didn't mobilize and not that you simply failed to defeat it?'
  261. [Fri Jul 31 17:51:56 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'So...no booting from rotation if mob spawns outside your "raiding hours" and you fail to kill within 3 hours?'
  262. [Fri Jul 31 17:52:02 2015] Cutie tells the raid, 'if you attempt the mob, you mobilized and failed'
  263. [Fri Jul 31 17:52:09 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'which I think is where the timeslot rotation would cover more so than just passing a mob into FFA'
  264. [Fri Jul 31 17:52:10 2015] Zeksy tells the raid, 'aggreed'
  265. [Fri Jul 31 17:52:14 2015] Cutie tells the raid, 'seems like a pretty easy clarification'
  266. [Fri Jul 31 17:52:20 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'Well.. i can tell you exactly when we will be going after mobs and when we wont. i dont mind doing that and neither should others'
  267. [Fri Jul 31 17:52:22 2015] Thalanos tells the raid, 'So Bonlgon, when the rotation has 8 guilds in it, and you're constantly being forced to pass or FFA your spawn, does it even make sense to have a rotation? why not a schedule rotation.'
  268. [Fri Jul 31 17:52:23 2015] Athiyk tells the raid, 'I'm pretty sure it's within all our best interests to police that ourselves'
  269. [Fri Jul 31 17:52:36 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, '^^'
  270. [Fri Jul 31 17:52:48 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'Many of the guilds here will go after mobs 24/7, thats the problem.'
  271. [Fri Jul 31 17:53:00 2015] You tell your raid, 'The alternative to the timeslots is giving guilds 24 hours to kill a mob from when it spawns. That way regardless of what timezone you're in, you have the ability to kill it prime time rather then batphoning at 3 in the morning.'
  272. [Fri Jul 31 17:53:09 2015] Cutie tells the raid, 'The problem with a timeslot rotation is that you can have guilds delaying as long as possible to increase the chance that a mob wont spawn in a certain timeslot'
  273. [Fri Jul 31 17:53:16 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'how many guilds would go for mobs 24/7? i know TL but who else?'
  274. [Fri Jul 31 17:53:21 2015] Thalanos tells the raid, 'there are 3 guilds here that have 24/7 capability. A rotation will not benefit any of the other guilds.'
  275. [Fri Jul 31 17:53:42 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'thats not true'
  276. [Fri Jul 31 17:53:43 2015] Overcast tells the raid, 'i feel we are willing to go for the target no matter the time'
  277. [Fri Jul 31 17:53:44 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'The Last Guardian will go after spawns 24/7'
  278. [Fri Jul 31 17:53:48 2015] Cutie tells the raid, 'Listen, CAF will wake up at 5am if i know im not being contested.'
  279. [Fri Jul 31 17:53:57 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'CaF will be after spawns 24/7'
  280. [Fri Jul 31 17:54:08 2015] Cutie tells the raid, 'im not currently going to wake up to be beaten to a mob by Guild A'
  281. [Fri Jul 31 17:54:51 2015] Gynx tells the raid, 'Apok pretty much hits any time'
  282. [Fri Jul 31 17:54:52 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'which, again, is why the idea First was throwing around seemed like a much better system'
  283. [Fri Jul 31 17:55:05 2015] Cutie tells the raid, 'Skyp - I am completely against giving a guild LONGER than 3 hours to kill a mob. Thats just wasting time, and loot for everyone.'
  284. [Fri Jul 31 17:55:06 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'it favors (fairly) the guilds who can mobilze 24x7'
  285. [Fri Jul 31 17:55:24 2015] Gynx tells the raid, 'we are ok with 24 hour windows'
  286. [Fri Jul 31 17:55:27 2015] Thalanos tells the raid, 'So again, we seem to be split down the middle as to who can or will compete at 24/7. Why not make a 24/7 rotation, and a scheduled rotation. The guilds in the 24/7 will be larger, so they will get a larger window and more mobs. But there should still be a scheduled rotation so that others can atleast down mobs during their preferred timezones.'
  287. [Fri Jul 31 17:55:28 2015] Gynx tells the raid, 'lol'
  288. [Fri Jul 31 17:55:32 2015] Breeze tells the raid, 'three hours is a ton of time to attempt a mob'
  289. [Fri Jul 31 17:55:39 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'im gonna be blunt, I liek the idea of spiroc lord as keeper, I like the 3hr window, fuck the 24hr window'
  290. [Fri Jul 31 17:55:47 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'if you cant handle the ruleset...lockjaw is hiring ijs'
  291. [Fri Jul 31 17:55:51 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'my 2cents'
  292. [Fri Jul 31 17:56:15 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'to leave naggy up for 24hrs is stupid'
  293. [Fri Jul 31 17:56:18 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'just stupid'
  294. [Fri Jul 31 17:56:26 2015] You tell your raid, 'Ok, so to lay it out on the table. 1 vote per guild, who wants a 3 hour window.'
  295. [Fri Jul 31 17:56:27 2015] Overcast tells the raid, 'i think 2-4 spawns a week if we have that long windows'
  296. [Fri Jul 31 17:56:51 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'CaF - 3hr window'
  297. [Fri Jul 31 17:56:55 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'I think everyone has already agreed 3 hours is fine? has anyone not?'
  298. [Fri Jul 31 17:56:58 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'TLG 3 hour window.'
  299. [Fri Jul 31 17:57:04 2015] Matthias tells the raid, '<FP> for three hour window'
  300. [Fri Jul 31 17:57:13 2015] Gynx tells the raid, 'Apok 3'
  301. [Fri Jul 31 17:57:33 2015] You tell your raid, 'RoE? Rem?'
  302. [Fri Jul 31 17:57:36 2015] Breeze tells the raid, '3 hours is good <roe>'
  303. [Fri Jul 31 17:57:41 2015] Gunungjato tells the raid, 'rem is fine with 3h'
  304. [Fri Jul 31 17:57:46 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'I'd rather vote for a complete rotation, than just parts of it....as i stated before, it depends on being booted from rotation, is trades available, etc.'
  305. [Fri Jul 31 17:58:14 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'yeah, exactly, getting a framework first, if we're actually trying to set up a new/better/different rotation would be ideal'
  306. [Fri Jul 31 17:58:17 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'i do believe we are attacking all aspects as we go'
  307. [Fri Jul 31 17:58:17 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'and by 3 hour its ur 3 hours to do what ever.'
  308. [Fri Jul 31 17:58:37 2015] You tell your raid, 'Yea, this is kind of super messy to start out with. But I believe we're hammering out the details slowly'
  309. [Fri Jul 31 17:58:49 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, '<Ceaseless> 3 hours to kill once engaged is good.'
  310. [Fri Jul 31 17:58:55 2015] Zeksy tells the raid, 'voting on an all or nothing plan will not get anything decided, there is bound to be someone that disagrees with some aspect of any plan'
  311. [Fri Jul 31 17:59:07 2015] You tell your raid, '3 hours once engaged or once spawned?'
  312. [Fri Jul 31 17:59:10 2015] Bossboy tells the raid, 'The only other rotation that would be better than the one currently in place would be the 24hr window version.. which I think most of us would agree is worse..'
  313. [Fri Jul 31 17:59:21 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, '3 hours once spawned for TLG'
  314. [Fri Jul 31 17:59:40 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'once spawned apok'
  315. [Fri Jul 31 17:59:45 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'the time zone rotation is far better, in my opinion to the current rotation, and the current rotation is better than a 24 hour one'
  316. [Fri Jul 31 18:00:21 2015] You tell your raid, 'Can you guys explain the time zone rotation in more detail. I'm personally a little confused by it.'
  317. [Fri Jul 31 18:00:25 2015] Cutie tells the raid, '3 hours from Spawn CAF'
  318. [Fri Jul 31 18:00:36 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'the time zone one is the one First was talking about, at least to us'
  319. [Fri Jul 31 18:00:44 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'I like the idea of this 3 hour once spawned as apart of gatekeeper. THoughts?'
  320. [Fri Jul 31 18:00:46 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'What if a guild had to the end of their "prime time" from spawn, if it spawned 2 hours before "prime time" window was over? this would mean a variable time window'
  321. [Fri Jul 31 18:00:50 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'im dissappointed DBG lied to you all to let you believe this server was "the old eq experience"'
  322. [Fri Jul 31 18:01:35 2015] Thalanos tells the raid, 'Can I share my vision of a "timezone/scheduled" rotation?'
  323. [Fri Jul 31 18:01:44 2015] You tell your raid, 'Sure.'
  324. [Fri Jul 31 18:01:47 2015] Birkoff tells the raid, 'please do'
  325. [Fri Jul 31 18:02:02 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'I do not see a fair way to work around current windows with such large variance to be both fair to Euro, Us and 24/7 guilds.'
  326. [Fri Jul 31 18:02:02 2015] Thalanos tells the raid, 'There would be two rotations. One called Competitive, one called "scheduled" for lack of a better term.'
  327. [Fri Jul 31 18:02:27 2015] Thalanos tells the raid, 'The competitive rotation would allow for anybody who can/wants to compete at 24/7 the ability to'
  328. [Fri Jul 31 18:02:36 2015] Thalanos tells the raid, 'for example, TL, Apok, maybe RoE'
  329. [Fri Jul 31 18:02:52 2015] Thalanos tells the raid, 'they would be given a rotation day... For example, Monday through Thursday'
  330. [Fri Jul 31 18:03:05 2015] Thalanos tells the raid, 'those would be the ONLY guilds in the rotation, and the only guilds allowed to compete unless a mob went FFA.'
  331. [Fri Jul 31 18:03:25 2015] Thalanos tells the raid, 'In the 2nd rotation, the "Scheduled" rotation... which would be, For example, Friday-Sunday'
  332. [Fri Jul 31 18:03:38 2015] Thalanos tells the raid, 'Competitive rotation guilds would not be allowed to participate in this.'
  333. [Fri Jul 31 18:03:53 2015] Thalanos tells the raid, 'those guilds would manage and schedule their own raids during those days. '
  334. [Fri Jul 31 18:04:11 2015] Thalanos tells the raid, 'It would be a completely separate rotation/schedule form the current one that exists.'
  335. [Fri Jul 31 18:04:28 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'that type of rotation sounds fine too'
  336. [Fri Jul 31 18:04:33 2015] Thalanos tells the raid, 'There would still be an FFA window, so that if a guild fails to kill during their agreed timeslot, it goes FFA.'
  337. [Fri Jul 31 18:04:55 2015] Thalanos tells the raid, 'this would equate to more mobs for the larger guilds, but a fair shot to every smaller guild or guild that prefers scheduling.'
  338. [Fri Jul 31 18:05:15 2015] You tell your raid, 'Yea just reviewing this spreadsheet that first created to better understand what he was talking about.'
  339. [Fri Jul 31 18:05:33 2015] You tell your raid, 'In simple terms its basically saying Rosengard rotates their mob with another prime time guild (Example)'
  340. [Fri Jul 31 18:05:39 2015] You tell your raid, 'after the 12 hours or so it becomes FFA'
  341. [Fri Jul 31 18:05:40 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'the one thalanos is describing is a little bit different, but could also work'
  342. [Fri Jul 31 18:05:46 2015] You tell your raid, 'am I wrong?'
  343. [Fri Jul 31 18:06:06 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, '6 hours but yes'
  344. [Fri Jul 31 18:06:37 2015] You tell your raid, 'So let me get this straight, just because im trying to put this together'
  345. [Fri Jul 31 18:06:52 2015] Thalanos tells the raid, 'In simple terms, yes skyp. But to avoid having to trade s pawns, it's basically saying that anything that spawns fri-sunday is scheduled.'
  346. [Fri Jul 31 18:07:23 2015] You tell your raid, 'Looking at it in detail it seems ok and doesn't technically impact the other rotation'
  347. [Fri Jul 31 18:07:26 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'this is getting confusing for my stoner mind'
  348. [Fri Jul 31 18:07:32 2015] You tell your raid, 'Yea, its confusing me too'
  349. [Fri Jul 31 18:07:40 2015] You tell your raid, 'but its not too bad, just trying to figure out how to explain how it works.'
  350. [Fri Jul 31 18:07:53 2015] Breeze tells the raid, 'no one go into naggy's room he just spawn'
  351. [Fri Jul 31 18:07:57 2015] You tell your raid, 'Basically rotation goes like this. TL/RoE/Rosengard/Apok'
  352. [Fri Jul 31 18:07:59 2015] Thalanos tells the raid, 'It's hard to explain in text. I can put it together on a spreadsheet which would make a whole lot more sense to everyone.'
  353. [Fri Jul 31 18:08:07 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'it's important to give us a time for discussion but..... we're seeing what weaknesses the rotation has now. and what needs the server has. So we will probably have to have even more discussions guys. '
  354. [Fri Jul 31 18:08:14 2015] You tell your raid, 'On Rosengards day Rosengard gets a set time for 6 hours, after their 6 hours is up it goes to like ceaseless'
  355. [Fri Jul 31 18:08:14 2015] Birkoff tells the raid, 'a fixed rotation is much better, all guilds here is able to gather a raidforce every day, just in our own primetime'
  356. [Fri Jul 31 18:08:21 2015] You tell your raid, 'but other guilds it doesn't impact their slot in the rotation'
  357. [Fri Jul 31 18:08:22 2015] You tell your raid, 'yea?'
  358. [Fri Jul 31 18:09:01 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'Sounds correct skyp'
  359. [Fri Jul 31 18:09:05 2015] Thalanos tells the raid, 'correct'
  360. [Fri Jul 31 18:09:18 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'Personally i like Tl's original proposal'
  361. [Fri Jul 31 18:09:31 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, 'Thalanos, First from our guild was working on some sort of Prime-Time raiding rotation. He has put it together on a spreadsheet already'
  362. [Fri Jul 31 18:09:39 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'the rotation we have now is functionally broken'
  363. [Fri Jul 31 18:09:46 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, 'Perhaps we can get that out for you to look at. It's pretty interesting to say the least'
  364. [Fri Jul 31 18:09:54 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, 'I think it really would work out for every guild'
  365. [Fri Jul 31 18:10:05 2015] Thalanos tells the raid, 'That would be great Drillisen. I'd like to take a look.'
  366. [Fri Jul 31 18:10:11 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'the one thalanos is the same, but different'
  367. [Fri Jul 31 18:10:14 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'i would to have a look myself Drillsen'
  368. [Fri Jul 31 18:10:31 2015] You tell your raid, 'Yea, please dont dismiss it so easily. Take a look at it before casting it aside.'
  369. [Fri Jul 31 18:10:33 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'Lets get it posted and take a 5 min break for people to read it over?'
  370. [Fri Jul 31 18:10:36 2015] Bossboy tells the raid, '@Matthias please explain how this rotation is functionally broken when it allows all guilds a fair shot at targets..'
  371. [Fri Jul 31 18:10:36 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, 'I believe some of the guilds have gotten to take a loot at it from what I am hearing, but I'm not sure who has and or has not'
  372. [Fri Jul 31 18:10:55 2015] You tell your raid, 'Yea, let me get the link up here rq'
  373. [Fri Jul 31 18:11:00 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, 'I'm going to go ahead and get it posted on the forums now'
  374. [Fri Jul 31 18:11:03 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'well First was more so just kicking it around to us, at least, we didn't get to look at anything'
  375. [Fri Jul 31 18:11:16 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'Lets not get off of topic. Lets break, look at this new rotation idea and we can sling mud after if still want to.'
  376. [Fri Jul 31 18:11:23 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, 'Keep in mind, the "rules" section is a work in progress'
  377. [Fri Jul 31 18:11:30 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, 'But the general layout of the rotation looks solid.'
  378. [Fri Jul 31 18:11:41 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'i think we should be implementing minor changes, an overhall could break it.'
  379. [Fri Jul 31 18:12:02 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'tinyurl gogo :P'
  380. [Fri Jul 31 18:12:02 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'I feel a full overhaul is just want it needs'
  381. [Fri Jul 31 18:12:11 2015] You tell your raid, 'waiting on Drill to post it'
  382. [Fri Jul 31 18:12:11 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'what*'
  383. [Fri Jul 31 18:12:12 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, 'Or an overhaul can be a great help to us all.'
  384. [Fri Jul 31 18:12:17 2015] Thalanos tells the raid, 'Melveny, no offense, but the schedule as it currently stands does not cater to everyone.'
  385. [Fri Jul 31 18:12:29 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'We need to have many more discussions but do small simple changes over time. '
  386. [Fri Jul 31 18:12:33 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, 'www.tinyurl.com/ragerot'
  387. [Fri Jul 31 18:12:35 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'you're right it caters to no one thats the point'
  388. [Fri Jul 31 18:12:38 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, 'Everyone go check that out please'
  389. [Fri Jul 31 18:12:43 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'thats why it was accepted'
  390. [Fri Jul 31 18:12:47 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, 'Take a few minutes and let's get back to the talks.'
  391. [Fri Jul 31 18:13:04 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'not to dismiss Melveny's point, but we can make one that DOES cater to everyone'
  392. [Fri Jul 31 18:13:09 2015] You tell your raid, 'Review it, we'll continue discussions at 8:20 PM EST'
  393. [Fri Jul 31 18:13:16 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'I feel the rotation requires a full overhaul - currently as it stands it has no potential for growth - it causes a large backlog of applicant guilds that is currently past Kunark release -- need i go on?'
  394. [Fri Jul 31 18:13:18 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'Who accepted the current rotation? I never hear anything about it before it became "official"'
  395. [Fri Jul 31 18:13:21 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'whens that skyp \?'
  396. [Fri Jul 31 18:13:31 2015] You tell your raid, '7 minutes'
  397. [Fri Jul 31 18:13:40 2015] Cutie tells the raid, 'lol'
  398. [Fri Jul 31 18:13:41 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, 'Keep in mind that the guild names currently on the rotation are just examples of how it would look.'
  399. [Fri Jul 31 18:14:00 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'drop the drama imo, go read the url and come back with a beer imo'
  400. [Fri Jul 31 18:15:04 2015] Gynx tells the raid, 'We'd be open to Naggy, Vox, and CT as gatekeepers - and working out a way to allow guilds to kill the gatekeepers on another guilds cycle in exchange for the loot'
  401. [Fri Jul 31 18:15:44 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'for those who are retarded like me, there is a rules tab at the bottom :P'
  402. [Fri Jul 31 18:15:46 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'Who is "we"'
  403. [Fri Jul 31 18:16:02 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'I have just been reading and listening to everyone's feedback. I've been taking notes and getting a real good idea of what the server needs are. And the weaknesses of the rotation in Contrast. --- We are going to need to have many more discussions. '
  404. [Fri Jul 31 18:16:43 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'yes Dojii.. been said 8 times now that we need many more discussions... but there is nothing stopping us from voting for however many changes we want'
  405. [Fri Jul 31 18:16:49 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'Last thing I want to throw out is how does Vox / CT and Naggy as gatekeepers sound? (not innoruuk too easy)'
  406. [Fri Jul 31 18:16:52 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'be it changes to the current one or an entirely new one'
  407. [Fri Jul 31 18:16:53 2015] Zeksy tells the raid, 'i can agree with that dojii, but we should still be trying to get a few points that can be agreed upon today nailed down'
  408. [Fri Jul 31 18:17:13 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, 'I'm pretty sure almost every guild in here was interested in having Spiroc Lord as the gatekeeper.'
  409. [Fri Jul 31 18:17:23 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, 'I'm not sure why we're back to that discussion again.'
  410. [Fri Jul 31 18:17:26 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'people killing the conent they are actually going to be raiding . '
  411. [Fri Jul 31 18:17:30 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'I thought the group conscious was Spiroc lord as gate keeper already.'
  412. [Fri Jul 31 18:17:32 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'I only saw 1 guild oppose to it.. and i agree with you drillisen.. '
  413. [Fri Jul 31 18:17:39 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, 'Has everyone taken a brief look at the "time zone" rotation being thrown around?'
  414. [Fri Jul 31 18:17:42 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, 'Thoughts on it?'
  415. [Fri Jul 31 18:17:52 2015] You tell your raid, 'per review, it appears Spiroc Lord was agreed as a gate keeper. Are you looking to add more gatekeepers to the rotation?'
  416. [Fri Jul 31 18:17:53 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'In favor of it'
  417. [Fri Jul 31 18:18:03 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'Spiroc Lord doesn't have any real CC mechanics. He's just pet wall wipe, slow regen, wipe, pet wall. = win.'
  418. [Fri Jul 31 18:18:11 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'spiroc lord was not agreed to '
  419. [Fri Jul 31 18:18:16 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'Naggy, Vox = Fear. CT Gflux'
  420. [Fri Jul 31 18:18:18 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'I dont have a problem with someone killing any mob in the rotation during an ffa window to be added to the rotation, along with the spiroc lord.'
  421. [Fri Jul 31 18:18:21 2015] You tell your raid, 'I'm willing to prove to you that we can pet wall any of the 4 raid mobs.'
  422. [Fri Jul 31 18:18:26 2015] Sulerill tells the raid, 'Majority agreed to spiroc lord'
  423. [Fri Jul 31 18:18:29 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'you're exact wording was to move on and circle back'
  424. [Fri Jul 31 18:18:40 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'Spiroc lord was agreed to by everyone except Apok as far as i can tell..'
  425. [Fri Jul 31 18:18:40 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'the only thing I think that would need to be changed on this rotation would be the time windows'
  426. [Fri Jul 31 18:18:42 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'none of the current raid mobs have mechanics, and sky has more then must.'
  427. [Fri Jul 31 18:18:44 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'that may be skyp, but people should be killing them as gatekeeper. that's what they will actually be raiding.'
  428. [Fri Jul 31 18:18:49 2015] You tell your raid, 'I'm going back to the gatekeeper discussion because you guys brought up the topic.'
  429. [Fri Jul 31 18:19:06 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'it keeps them in a due process. whereas random raid in sky at 3am With nobody watching.... you kill spiroc now you're in rotation?'
  430. [Fri Jul 31 18:19:12 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'we need due process.'
  431. [Fri Jul 31 18:19:17 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'you're trying to make a claim it was agreed upon and thats not the case'
  432. [Fri Jul 31 18:19:25 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'dang how did we get back onto this topic lol'
  433. [Fri Jul 31 18:19:28 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'If spirod lord is ADDED as gatekeeper, yes. If exclusively gatekeeper no'
  434. [Fri Jul 31 18:19:29 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'and that is why the current gatekeeper at the end of the cycle gives ppl a waiting period.'
  435. [Fri Jul 31 18:19:50 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'but adding Vox / and CT = more chances to be placed in rotation (AT THE END OF CYCLE)'
  436. [Fri Jul 31 18:19:54 2015] You tell your raid, 'adding a gate keeper will put these guilds out of the rotation until Kunark.'
  437. [Fri Jul 31 18:19:57 2015] You tell your raid, 'or rather most of these guilds.'
  438. [Fri Jul 31 18:20:01 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'Post evidence of you killing him and done.. it isnt really that hard to check'
  439. [Fri Jul 31 18:20:08 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'All of the sky island bosses are spawned every six hours. I am sure we can be civil and agree to allow guilds to go after it with notice, and if we cannot. Then a rule can force that point.'
  440. [Fri Jul 31 18:20:08 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'I agree with Skyp'
  441. [Fri Jul 31 18:20:32 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'we can also agree to allow guilds to go after naggy / vox / ct'
  442. [Fri Jul 31 18:20:38 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'on the ffa day'
  443. [Fri Jul 31 18:20:43 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'the current rotation - with the "Request to kill Naggy" we have Guilds already lined up till Kunark'
  444. [Fri Jul 31 18:20:51 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'which is garbage'
  445. [Fri Jul 31 18:20:54 2015] You tell your raid, 'Ok, since we're on this topic. What do you guilds want as the gatekeeper to this rotation.'
  446. [Fri Jul 31 18:20:58 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'and take out the only shot people have at competing on mobs... again?'
  447. [Fri Jul 31 18:21:01 2015] You tell your raid, 'Apok = Naggy/Vox/CT'
  448. [Fri Jul 31 18:21:02 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'sprioc lord does not have raid mechanics, no fear, glflux etc'
  449. [Fri Jul 31 18:21:11 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'False Prophecy wants Spiroc Lord'
  450. [Fri Jul 31 18:21:11 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'no if ppl can kill naggy, vox or CT on next FFA which is in like 2 days'
  451. [Fri Jul 31 18:21:15 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'RG > Spiroc Lord'
  452. [Fri Jul 31 18:21:15 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'they can get in rotation.'
  453. [Fri Jul 31 18:21:21 2015] Cutie tells the raid, 'Spiroc Lord = CAF'
  454. [Fri Jul 31 18:21:27 2015] Bossboy tells the raid, 'If you allow pet walling sky mobs to be a gateway into the rotation you are going to have all kinds of alt guilds exploiting the system and opening up FFA targets for certain guilds..... '
  455. [Fri Jul 31 18:21:29 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'TLG = Spiroc Lord and any other raid mob during an ffa kill.'
  456. [Fri Jul 31 18:21:45 2015] You tell your raid, 'You can pet wall any of the other 4 raid mobs in the rotation, significantly easier then spiroc lord.'
  457. [Fri Jul 31 18:21:46 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'Those same guilds your talking about can take down vox and naggy aswell..'
  458. [Fri Jul 31 18:21:56 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'Bossboy I can move my team to Naggy and pet wall it down right now, its a pointless arugement.'
  459. [Fri Jul 31 18:21:57 2015] Cutie tells the raid, 'thats like saying, if you use warriors to tank mobs....you cant disallow certain mechanics that are viable'
  460. [Fri Jul 31 18:22:16 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, '<Darkwind> All raid mobs on rotation Spiroc Lord'
  461. [Fri Jul 31 18:22:31 2015] Bossboy tells the raid, 'Yes, and I don't think we should be allowing any guilds to use pet walling as a tactic to get in on the rotation.. You must prove that you can down the target without pet walling to enter the rotation. After that feel free to pet wall all you'd like imo.'
  462. [Fri Jul 31 18:22:38 2015] Sulerill tells the raid, 'there has already been mobs pet walled in this rotation'
  463. [Fri Jul 31 18:22:39 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'No guild has any say in tactics that are allowable'
  464. [Fri Jul 31 18:22:46 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'Ceaseless = Any raid boss on rotation and spiroc lord for keepers.'
  465. [Fri Jul 31 18:23:00 2015] You tell your raid, 'OK, who disagrees with Spiroc Lord as a gate keeper?'
  466. [Fri Jul 31 18:23:14 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'Darkwind'
  467. [Fri Jul 31 18:23:19 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'didn't we just spend 5 minutes reading over a new rotation proposal? why are we talking about gatekeeprs again'
  468. [Fri Jul 31 18:23:29 2015] Cutie tells the raid, 'because it was brought up'
  469. [Fri Jul 31 18:23:30 2015] You tell your raid, 'DarkwindÊš disagree. Anyone else?'
  470. [Fri Jul 31 18:23:36 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'Gatekeppers will applky to any proposal'
  471. [Fri Jul 31 18:23:38 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'We always intended to come back to the keepers'
  472. [Fri Jul 31 18:23:46 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'can we focus on one thing at once?'
  473. [Fri Jul 31 18:23:54 2015] You tell your raid, 'Yes, lets get the gatekeepers over with.'
  474. [Fri Jul 31 18:24:00 2015] Bossboy tells the raid, 'Apok can't even take out Spiroc Lord without pet walling, I will be the first to admit it. '
  475. [Fri Jul 31 18:24:02 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'its like the topic gets shifted every 2 minutes'
  476. [Fri Jul 31 18:24:38 2015] You tell your raid, 'I am officially writing down on my document that The Spiroc Lord is the agreed upon gatekeeper unless more guilds then Apok and Darkwind disagree.'
  477. [Fri Jul 31 18:24:40 2015] Cutie tells the raid, 'thats because you have 9 guilds, all with different concerns over what is important and what is not, the topics are bound to be shifted'
  478. [Fri Jul 31 18:24:41 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'Is spiroc lord is added as gatekeeper, current guilds in rotation should prove a kill of spiroc lord without pet walling also'
  479. [Fri Jul 31 18:24:50 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'ROE also diagrees with the Spiror lord. '
  480. [Fri Jul 31 18:24:56 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'skyp not happenign bro'
  481. [Fri Jul 31 18:25:01 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'I disagree with it being the ONLY gatekeeper'
  482. [Fri Jul 31 18:25:05 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'we are not argeeing we are discussing'
  483. [Fri Jul 31 18:25:19 2015] Cutie tells the raid, 'when does the discussion end and the agreement begin?'
  484. [Fri Jul 31 18:25:21 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'imo gatekeeprs are simple, have 2....one that isn't contested often, up more often, and is harder (spiroc lord), and one easier to reflect more of the mobs on the rotation (negafen)'
  485. [Fri Jul 31 18:25:30 2015] Birkoff tells the raid, 'Ceaseless disagreed too i can see'
  486. [Fri Jul 31 18:25:31 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'pretty simple really'
  487. [Fri Jul 31 18:25:39 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, 'Melveny do you wish to just talk about things and make no actual changes? I'd hate to think we're all just wasting our time here tonight.'
  488. [Fri Jul 31 18:25:40 2015] Sulerill tells the raid, 'Nagafen is the hardest mob on rotation atm'
  489. [Fri Jul 31 18:25:44 2015] You tell your raid, 'Each guild, state what you want to see as the gatekeeper(s). Please'
  490. [Fri Jul 31 18:25:50 2015] Bossboy tells the raid, 'GATEKEEPERS NEED TO BE RELEVANT TO THE RAID ROTATION BOSSES. SPIROC LORD DOES NOT EQUATE TO THE DIFFICULTY OF ANY ROTATION MOB CURRENTLY.'
  491. [Fri Jul 31 18:25:56 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'the point of tonight was to discuss as per the post on the forum'
  492. [Fri Jul 31 18:26:12 2015] You tell your raid, 'Each guild, state what you want to see as the gatekeeper(s). Please'
  493. [Fri Jul 31 18:26:12 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'bossboy, what does it equate to, in your opinion? harder or easier?'
  494. [Fri Jul 31 18:26:17 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'How does the keeper of souls relate to rotation mobs?'
  495. [Fri Jul 31 18:26:22 2015] Matthias tells the raid, '<False Prophecy> Says Spiroc Lord OR Any mob currently on rotation'
  496. [Fri Jul 31 18:26:22 2015] Bossboy tells the raid, 'HARDER'
  497. [Fri Jul 31 18:26:31 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'then why is it an issue if it's a secondary gatekeeper?'
  498. [Fri Jul 31 18:26:32 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'stop using caps you arent important'
  499. [Fri Jul 31 18:26:38 2015] Bossboy tells the raid, 'neither are you'
  500. [Fri Jul 31 18:26:39 2015] Cutie tells the raid, 'CAF - Spiroc Lord or any current Rotation Mob'
  501. [Fri Jul 31 18:26:40 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, '<Darkwind> Gatekeepers: All raid mobs on rotation in FFA period Spiroc Lord'
  502. [Fri Jul 31 18:26:43 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'also when u kill a raid boss and you're actually in rotation. your opinion will matter more.'
  503. [Fri Jul 31 18:26:47 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'if a guild can kill it, they can obviously kill the other gatekeeper, no?'
  504. [Fri Jul 31 18:26:49 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'The Last Guardin, Spiroc Lord, or any ffa mob in the rotation.'
  505. [Fri Jul 31 18:27:03 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'so once you are killing the mobs THAT ARE ACTUALLY BEING ROTATED... then it will be more relevant'
  506. [Fri Jul 31 18:27:07 2015] You tell your raid, 'Who disagrees with The Spiroc Lord Any raid mob on the FFA rotation?'
  507. [Fri Jul 31 18:27:14 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'Any FFA raid mob or an island 3 sky raid boss'
  508. [Fri Jul 31 18:27:17 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'Rosengard'
  509. [Fri Jul 31 18:27:26 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'CaF disagrees'
  510. [Fri Jul 31 18:27:35 2015] You tell your raid, 'What do you two want?'
  511. [Fri Jul 31 18:27:39 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'okay, why do you guys disagree?'
  512. [Fri Jul 31 18:28:13 2015] Thalanos tells the raid, '<RoI Remnants> I agree with the gatekeeper list that Lockjaw currently uses. Gatekeepers for each mob rotation align with the difficulty of said qualifying mob.'
  513. [Fri Jul 31 18:28:18 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'I disagree with using the ffa mobs as the gatekeeper because we have already taken away almost everything you could possibly call competition'
  514. [Fri Jul 31 18:28:32 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'and us having guilds join left and right taking up ffa slots takes away the last shread of competition we have'
  515. [Fri Jul 31 18:28:38 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'I gotta get going here soon guys. so yea... let's do this again'
  516. [Fri Jul 31 18:28:45 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'you guys are thinking about classic era only'
  517. [Fri Jul 31 18:28:51 2015] You tell your raid, 'Cya Dojii, those of you that can stay with the conversation. Please do so.'
  518. [Fri Jul 31 18:28:54 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'the rotation will obviously expand with more content'
  519. [Fri Jul 31 18:29:02 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'TL already took a mob from RoE'
  520. [Fri Jul 31 18:29:04 2015] You tell your raid, 'I will email you the cliff notes after we're done.'
  521. [Fri Jul 31 18:29:05 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'from FFA'
  522. [Fri Jul 31 18:29:06 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'stop thinking of the rotation as only covering a couple mobs'
  523. [Fri Jul 31 18:29:12 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'it works just fine'
  524. [Fri Jul 31 18:29:31 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'Bonlgon....each guild will only take one FFA kill before joining the rotation. with 4 FFA mobs per rotation, its not really gonna be going on for a long time?'
  525. [Fri Jul 31 18:30:01 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'also, if Spiroc Lord is added, alot of guilds will join the rotation by killing him as you say?'
  526. [Fri Jul 31 18:30:05 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'if your worry ATM is you wont get classic loot, big deal, you can farm it in kunark, getting guilds fairly into a rotation is more of a concern for the server, not your loot, is this not correct?'
  527. [Fri Jul 31 18:30:19 2015] You tell your raid, 'I agree with that statement.'
  528. [Fri Jul 31 18:30:20 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'To clarify, I am not saying a guild should have a free shot durning an ffa spawn. I am saying, if they can beat the other guilds to the kill. That should count.'
  529. [Fri Jul 31 18:30:28 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'I agree with that statement'
  530. [Fri Jul 31 18:30:33 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'It has nothing to do about Loot.. it has to do with no competition at all'
  531. [Fri Jul 31 18:30:34 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'Agreed'
  532. [Fri Jul 31 18:30:43 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'what competition do you want in classic?'
  533. [Fri Jul 31 18:30:45 2015] You tell your raid, 'So the discussion here is'
  534. [Fri Jul 31 18:30:57 2015] You tell your raid, 'We don't want a FFA mob to be the gatekeeper because it potentially messes with other guilds currently in the rotation'
  535. [Fri Jul 31 18:30:59 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'And that.. any ffa mob.. how many does it take to klil Vox if you get an uncontested attempt?'
  536. [Fri Jul 31 18:31:14 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'ii know we did it with 40 people'
  537. [Fri Jul 31 18:31:23 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'how many can TL take vox down with? 25?'
  538. [Fri Jul 31 18:31:29 2015] You tell your raid, '18?'
  539. [Fri Jul 31 18:31:37 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'snicker'
  540. [Fri Jul 31 18:31:41 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'Prenerfed vox sure, 18. Post, who knows.'
  541. [Fri Jul 31 18:31:44 2015] Matthias tells the raid, '18 mages FTW'
  542. [Fri Jul 31 18:31:45 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'So we are setting a mobthat can be killed wtih 3 grps to be the gate keeper of the rotation?'
  543. [Fri Jul 31 18:32:05 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'thats my standpoint'
  544. [Fri Jul 31 18:32:08 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'You wouldnt beat another guild to vox on an ffa spawn with 3 groups'
  545. [Fri Jul 31 18:32:11 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'to have a mob as keeper that i can solo is lol'
  546. [Fri Jul 31 18:32:14 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'are you saying that every guild has the skills and gear of TL now?'
  547. [Fri Jul 31 18:32:26 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'I would agree wtih the ffa being used if there was NO time on them.. ie.. the guilds trying to get on rotation has to fight for them'
  548. [Fri Jul 31 18:32:30 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'Stay on topic'
  549. [Fri Jul 31 18:32:32 2015] You tell your raid, 'Look you guys, you have to understand. We're trying to help you guys get into this rotation.'
  550. [Fri Jul 31 18:32:43 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, 'Bonlgon just hit the nail on the head'
  551. [Fri Jul 31 18:32:46 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'When it spawn it goes FFA.. if a guild manages to klil it before any of the other guilds they get on the rotation.. if not... well then'
  552. [Fri Jul 31 18:32:53 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'try again in 24~ hours'
  553. [Fri Jul 31 18:32:57 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, 'Read what he just said, please'
  554. [Fri Jul 31 18:33:21 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'which point are we reading'
  555. [Fri Jul 31 18:33:30 2015] Gynx tells the raid, 'then you have 3 guilds dpsing the same boss?'
  556. [Fri Jul 31 18:33:33 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'id have to say all his points make sense'
  557. [Fri Jul 31 18:33:38 2015] You tell your raid, 'Hes stating that guilds shouldn't have to wait long periods of time in order to get an attempt at the rotation'
  558. [Fri Jul 31 18:33:46 2015] You tell your raid, 'He's arguing that it should be a mob that is up consistently.'
  559. [Fri Jul 31 18:33:46 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, 'The fact that a FFA mob is FFA. There will be no 3 hour timer on a FFA mob spawning for a guild that wants in the rotation'
  560. [Fri Jul 31 18:33:57 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'okay, so obviously a mob in Sky then, right?'
  561. [Fri Jul 31 18:34:00 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, 'if you wish to "schedule" a shot at a mob, you go at Spiroc Lord'
  562. [Fri Jul 31 18:34:07 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'i agree with FFA No time Race to engange. However i think the Spiroc Lord as another option to get people in the rotation is acceptable as well'
  563. [Fri Jul 31 18:34:08 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'pick one easier then if you think Spiroc lord is too hard?'
  564. [Fri Jul 31 18:34:15 2015] You tell your raid, 'A raid mob in sky is up at least twice a day if not up all the time.'
  565. [Fri Jul 31 18:34:19 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'I will agree to those 2 options yea'
  566. [Fri Jul 31 18:34:20 2015] Cutie tells the raid, 'thunder spirit princess'
  567. [Fri Jul 31 18:34:21 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, 'if you are able to beat the current rotation guilds to a FFA race, you get in the rotation'
  568. [Fri Jul 31 18:34:24 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'mobs in sky are up far more often than anything else'
  569. [Fri Jul 31 18:34:26 2015] You tell your raid, 'We can say the keeper of souls.'
  570. [Fri Jul 31 18:34:30 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'and offer a challenge'
  571. [Fri Jul 31 18:34:57 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'I'd be fine with KoS as well'
  572. [Fri Jul 31 18:35:01 2015] You tell your raid, 'Do any guilds object to the keeper of souls being a gate keeper?'
  573. [Fri Jul 31 18:35:14 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'Fine'
  574. [Fri Jul 31 18:35:19 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'Ceaseless supports KoS as a gate keeper'
  575. [Fri Jul 31 18:35:30 2015] You tell your raid, 'Welcome Jain to the conversation.'
  576. [Fri Jul 31 18:35:36 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'Greetings'
  577. [Fri Jul 31 18:35:42 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'welcome jain'
  578. [Fri Jul 31 18:35:43 2015] You tell your raid, 'does anyone object to the Keeper of Souls to take place in the rotation?'
  579. [Fri Jul 31 18:35:47 2015] You tell your raid, 'err'
  580. [Fri Jul 31 18:35:48 2015] You tell your raid, 'gatekeeper*'
  581. [Fri Jul 31 18:35:58 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'TLG would be ok with kos if thats what needs to happen for an agreement yes.'
  582. [Fri Jul 31 18:36:01 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'that's a much better question, Skyp :D'
  583. [Fri Jul 31 18:36:18 2015] You tell your raid, 'If nobody objects, I will submit it as the new gatekeeper.'
  584. [Fri Jul 31 18:36:28 2015] Thalanos tells the raid, 'How does a guild that raids during set time periods attempt to join the rotation if the mob is always FFA?'
  585. [Fri Jul 31 18:36:38 2015] Matthias tells the raid, '<False Prophecy> Agrees to Feeper of Souls on rotation '
  586. [Fri Jul 31 18:36:46 2015] You tell your raid, 'We can state that if a guild gives 24 hour notices, no guilds are to interfere with the island.'
  587. [Fri Jul 31 18:36:50 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'Sorry typing to fast'
  588. [Fri Jul 31 18:36:56 2015] Cutie tells the raid, 'CAF is in agreement that KoS be added as the new Gatekeeper'
  589. [Fri Jul 31 18:37:02 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'Skyp: Good idear'
  590. [Fri Jul 31 18:37:12 2015] Thalanos tells the raid, 'with that clause, Skyp, I am good with it.'
  591. [Fri Jul 31 18:37:15 2015] Cutie tells the raid, 'Skyp - I would agree with that as well.'
  592. [Fri Jul 31 18:37:16 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'for clarity, agian, it would be an additional gatekeeper, correct?'
  593. [Fri Jul 31 18:37:23 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'just so no one is confused'
  594. [Fri Jul 31 18:37:37 2015] You tell your raid, 'Is anyone oppose to it being the only gate keeper for simplicity?'
  595. [Fri Jul 31 18:38:10 2015] Cutie tells the raid, 'not only simplicity but fairness, guilds entering should have to kill the same mob to qualify. So there is no disputes'
  596. [Fri Jul 31 18:38:20 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'Depends skyp: how long does a guild get before someone else can come kill it?'
  597. [Fri Jul 31 18:38:30 2015] Cutie tells the raid, '24 hour period.'
  598. [Fri Jul 31 18:38:35 2015] You tell your raid, 'Well, the keeper of souls when it spawns is up for an hour? I think'
  599. [Fri Jul 31 18:38:43 2015] Sulerill tells the raid, 'correct'
  600. [Fri Jul 31 18:38:44 2015] You tell your raid, 'But the timer starts to spawn it after the first pegasus you kill'
  601. [Fri Jul 31 18:38:50 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'its up 1 hour after the first pony dies, i think'
  602. [Fri Jul 31 18:38:51 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'its a 6 hour spawn.. it spawns constantly'
  603. [Fri Jul 31 18:38:52 2015] You tell your raid, 'so technically, you could kill 1 pegasus. leave the rest alone, attempt keeper'
  604. [Fri Jul 31 18:38:54 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'So they can spawn it once then someone else can try?'
  605. [Fri Jul 31 18:38:55 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'err spawns 1 hour after'
  606. [Fri Jul 31 18:39:00 2015] You tell your raid, 'if it despawns, kill another keeper. Another will spawn'
  607. [Fri Jul 31 18:39:07 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'yep'
  608. [Fri Jul 31 18:39:07 2015] You tell your raid, 'In theory.'
  609. [Fri Jul 31 18:39:25 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'RoP is okay with that'
  610. [Fri Jul 31 18:39:40 2015] You tell your raid, 'Alright, adding it to the list. Yay progress'
  611. [Fri Jul 31 18:39:53 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'sky mobs are much better gatekeepers, if our goal is being inclusive'
  612. [Fri Jul 31 18:40:40 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'can we go back to talking about First's rotation now?'
  613. [Fri Jul 31 18:40:52 2015] You tell your raid, 'Yes, is anyone unclear as to how that rotation works before we review it?'
  614. [Fri Jul 31 18:41:14 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'Im satisfied with the gate keeper. on to rotations vs time slots?'
  615. [Fri Jul 31 18:41:49 2015] Cutie tells the raid, 'whats the variance on mobs like naggy now, after the change?'
  616. [Fri Jul 31 18:42:11 2015] You tell your raid, 'The four raid mobs currently in rotation after death take 24 hours before the window is open'
  617. [Fri Jul 31 18:42:20 2015] You tell your raid, 'Once the window is open, they take up to a max of 20 hours for it to respawn.'
  618. [Fri Jul 31 18:42:26 2015] You tell your raid, 'They are unaffected by server resets.'
  619. [Fri Jul 31 18:42:43 2015] You tell your raid, 'So it can take up to 44 hours for it to respawn after death.'
  620. [Fri Jul 31 18:43:11 2015] Cutie tells the raid, 'gotcha, thanks'
  621. [Fri Jul 31 18:44:08 2015] You tell your raid, 'OK, so to simplify this rotation'
  622. [Fri Jul 31 18:44:39 2015] You tell your raid, 'The current proposed rotation. works like this. Using three guilds as to not complicate this.'
  623. [Fri Jul 31 18:44:48 2015] You tell your raid, 'Twisted Legacy, RoE. Rosengard are in a rotation.'
  624. [Fri Jul 31 18:44:55 2015] You tell your raid, 'Rosengard however is in a time slot allocated to the morning'
  625. [Fri Jul 31 18:45:18 2015] You tell your raid, 'So basically the rotation works like this TL/RoE/Rosengard (From 6-12)'
  626. [Fri Jul 31 18:46:33 2015] You tell your raid, 'After Rosengards time expires TL would take their prime time slot. Then Rosengards next primetime slot would be 6-12 and RoE would take their prime time slot.'
  627. [Fri Jul 31 18:46:43 2015] You tell your raid, 'If it spawns and it isn't in either of those prime time slots it becomes FFA.'
  628. [Fri Jul 31 18:46:50 2015] You tell your raid, 'does that make sense?'
  629. [Fri Jul 31 18:47:13 2015] Zeksy tells the raid, 'yes'
  630. [Fri Jul 31 18:47:18 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'yes'
  631. [Fri Jul 31 18:47:45 2015] Sulerill tells the raid, 'when a guild joins the rotation, they choose the slot(s) they wish to be on as well, correct?'
  632. [Fri Jul 31 18:47:52 2015] Thalanos tells the raid, 'If a Nagafen dies at 3am, isn't there a possibility that primetime may never see a Nagafen? '
  633. [Fri Jul 31 18:47:52 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'correct'
  634. [Fri Jul 31 18:48:01 2015] You tell your raid, 'Its a possibility Thalanos.'
  635. [Fri Jul 31 18:48:03 2015] Thalanos tells the raid, 'Well as it exists, it looks like you can be in both rotations.'
  636. [Fri Jul 31 18:48:03 2015] Cutie tells the raid, 'no'
  637. [Fri Jul 31 18:48:17 2015] You tell your raid, 'Its random though when it spawns within that 20 hour time frame.'
  638. [Fri Jul 31 18:48:44 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'wouldn't Rosengards prime time be from 12am-6pm EDT?'
  639. [Fri Jul 31 18:48:51 2015] You tell your raid, 'Basically its the same rotation now, but adding incentive for people with strict schedules to participate.'
  640. [Fri Jul 31 18:49:00 2015] You tell your raid, 'IDK, it was an example. I honestly have no idea what their prime time is.'
  641. [Fri Jul 31 18:49:01 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'I think guilds should be realistic about which timeslot they pick..'
  642. [Fri Jul 31 18:49:22 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'noon >6pm est'
  643. [Fri Jul 31 18:49:45 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'the only 2 issues I have are the 'prime time' hours, only minor adjustments would be needed (1-2 hours on each one), and also, what if a guild has 2 mobs up next, and both spawn'
  644. [Fri Jul 31 18:50:08 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'I see that as something that could happen?'
  645. [Fri Jul 31 18:50:18 2015] Cutie tells the raid, 'then you choose which to prioritze'
  646. [Fri Jul 31 18:50:24 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, '=)'
  647. [Fri Jul 31 18:50:25 2015] Cutie tells the raid, 'or kill them both in a 2 hour window'
  648. [Fri Jul 31 18:50:26 2015] Sulerill tells the raid, 'then they pick the target they proritize, or kill both. If its not killed in the 3 hours its FFA'
  649. [Fri Jul 31 18:50:26 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'healers mana?'
  650. [Fri Jul 31 18:50:27 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'healers mana?'
  651. [Fri Jul 31 18:50:27 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'healers mana?'
  652. [Fri Jul 31 18:50:29 2015] You tell your raid, 'Yea, in my opinion it can happen but you can't do much about it.'
  653. [Fri Jul 31 18:50:30 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, '..'
  654. [Fri Jul 31 18:50:47 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'okay, but how is that communicated to the list? how is that policed? they have 2 hour window to kill both?'
  655. [Fri Jul 31 18:50:48 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'What if you get the time slot - for the first raid mob- and pass it one to the next guild if you manage to get a raid boss during your time slot?'
  656. [Fri Jul 31 18:50:49 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'bad luck if two spawns'
  657. [Fri Jul 31 18:50:53 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'woops'
  658. [Fri Jul 31 18:50:54 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'pick one'
  659. [Fri Jul 31 18:51:02 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'do you have to pick one? if you have 2 hours to engage?'
  660. [Fri Jul 31 18:51:14 2015] Cutie tells the raid, 'you get your set window, whether 2 hours or 3, whatever is decided'
  661. [Fri Jul 31 18:51:16 2015] You tell your raid, 'I have created a spreadsheet that I will share with everyone after this discussion that accurately calculates windows based off the time of death.'
  662. [Fri Jul 31 18:51:17 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, '3 hours from spawn --> FFA'
  663. [Fri Jul 31 18:51:18 2015] Sulerill tells the raid, 'there is plenty of guilds who if in their prime time can mobilize and kill 2 targets within their window'
  664. [Fri Jul 31 18:51:27 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'I could easily see a guild like TL killing both, is that okay? (I'm fine with it)....just questioned I see coming up'
  665. [Fri Jul 31 18:51:34 2015] Cutie tells the raid, 'if both mobs spawn at the EXACT same time, you either kill them both in the 3 hours, or you choose one to prioritize'
  666. [Fri Jul 31 18:51:38 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'for some guilds it will be ap roblem to kill 2 mobs.. for others it will be a stroll in the park.. thats one of the the many differences between our guilds'
  667. [Fri Jul 31 18:51:52 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'shouldnt need to be a specific rule to outline it.. you pick one if you cant do both'
  668. [Fri Jul 31 18:52:07 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'sounds good for me, I just wanted the question to be asked :)'
  669. [Fri Jul 31 18:52:15 2015] You tell your raid, 'Is anyone oppose to this type of rotation?'
  670. [Fri Jul 31 18:52:31 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'i have 1 concern'
  671. [Fri Jul 31 18:52:37 2015] You tell your raid, 'Drill has to step out of the conversation - TL rep.'
  672. [Fri Jul 31 18:52:41 2015] You tell your raid, 'yup'
  673. [Fri Jul 31 18:52:46 2015] Sulerill tells the raid, 'whats that Syrgen?'
  674. [Fri Jul 31 18:52:55 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'i agree with cutie my supporter, you should have to prioritize, and that being said... i dont think CaF could do 2targets in that time frame..maybe..'
  675. [Fri Jul 31 18:52:57 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, 'Nod, I'm out of here boys. Best of luck with getting this shit figured out.'
  676. [Fri Jul 31 18:53:10 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'drillisen kiss my wife for me'
  677. [Fri Jul 31 18:53:18 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, 'Don't make me hurt you'
  678. [Fri Jul 31 18:53:25 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'or...it is good for us, as we are EU, but it is unfair for US i think....If only 3 guilds sign up for EU times, but 6 sign up for US times, the US guilds will see targets less frequently in their prime time than EU guilds. But there is maybe a way to work around this?'
  679. [Fri Jul 31 18:53:26 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'Drill.'
  680. [Fri Jul 31 18:53:29 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'Sharklife'
  681. [Fri Jul 31 18:53:45 2015] Sulerill tells the raid, 'US guilds can field in the EU slots if they can field the numbers'
  682. [Fri Jul 31 18:53:53 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'yes'
  683. [Fri Jul 31 18:54:00 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'but they will also sign in for US'
  684. [Fri Jul 31 18:54:04 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'which i dont think would be a problem @sulerill'
  685. [Fri Jul 31 18:54:20 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'And if we want we can field in at US times aswell'
  686. [Fri Jul 31 18:54:23 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'Sorry guys'
  687. [Fri Jul 31 18:54:23 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'works both ways'
  688. [Fri Jul 31 18:54:23 2015] Sulerill tells the raid, 'as can EU guilds signing up for US slots.'
  689. [Fri Jul 31 18:54:24 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'likewise the same, if rosenguard wants to join the NA rotation, they can as well'
  690. [Fri Jul 31 18:54:29 2015] Matthias tells the raid, '<-- network issues '
  691. [Fri Jul 31 18:54:31 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'i think we are two EU guilds that would only sign for EU times, but i think there might be more US guilds that will only sign for US times?'
  692. [Fri Jul 31 18:54:42 2015] You tell your raid, 'Matthias, we were discussing the time slot rotation with the normal rotation presently in effect.'
  693. [Fri Jul 31 18:54:59 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'lets also not forget, that there is an FFA window in place every day as well'
  694. [Fri Jul 31 18:55:05 2015] Sulerill tells the raid, 'there is a 12 hour FFA period too, so its not just 2 sets of rotations'
  695. [Fri Jul 31 18:55:13 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'that being said, i think this rotation is better than the current rotation by far!'
  696. [Fri Jul 31 18:55:21 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'much better'
  697. [Fri Jul 31 18:55:30 2015] You tell your raid, 'Alright, so for clarity. Does anyone oppose?'
  698. [Fri Jul 31 18:55:36 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'Agreed, its an improvement'
  699. [Fri Jul 31 18:55:48 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'I have a question before I say yay or nay Skyp'
  700. [Fri Jul 31 18:55:51 2015] Thalanos tells the raid, 'I think this rotation is miles ahead of what we currently have. But it still assumes everyone has availability every day during the rotation.'
  701. [Fri Jul 31 18:55:53 2015] Zeksy tells the raid, 'all around it seems like a better plan'
  702. [Fri Jul 31 18:55:54 2015] You tell your raid, 'Whats up Matthias'
  703. [Fri Jul 31 18:56:00 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'TLG likes this rotation so far'
  704. [Fri Jul 31 18:56:08 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'I'd maybe extend the NA time to 2 hours later though, as there are a lot more guilds in that time zone, and pacific time zone guilds can go later than 12est'
  705. [Fri Jul 31 18:56:11 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'Is there a clause that will remove guilds that do not kill targets in thier timeslot?'
  706. [Fri Jul 31 18:56:15 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'but that's my only suggestion'
  707. [Fri Jul 31 18:56:22 2015] Thalanos tells the raid, 'What happens if my rotation is up, but I don't raid that day?'
  708. [Fri Jul 31 18:56:27 2015] Zeksy tells the raid, 'i agree there eaza'
  709. [Fri Jul 31 18:56:51 2015] You tell your raid, 'Do you guys want a clause that removes someone from the rotation?'
  710. [Fri Jul 31 18:56:57 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'the EU time zone could also be moved 2 hours earlier, but not 100&PCT; sure (we had 24 hour coverage maps in gw2...so this type of stuff isn't new to me)'
  711. [Fri Jul 31 18:57:02 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'Yes skyp'
  712. [Fri Jul 31 18:57:23 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'That entire depends on what it includes'
  713. [Fri Jul 31 18:57:23 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'Yes, guilds should fall out of the rotation for being inactive, or unable to kill their mobs.'
  714. [Fri Jul 31 18:57:26 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'entirely..'
  715. [Fri Jul 31 18:57:29 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'if they have already killed KoS to enter the rotation, they can do it again fast no? Won't it cause alot of work changing it everytime?'
  716. [Fri Jul 31 18:57:51 2015] Cutie tells the raid, 'there would be a time frame penalty from rejoining, i woudl imagine'
  717. [Fri Jul 31 18:57:54 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'they would just get added to the end of the rotation though'
  718. [Fri Jul 31 18:58:02 2015] Cutie tells the raid, 'if youre booted, you have to wait a week to rejoin, or so'
  719. [Fri Jul 31 18:58:15 2015] You tell your raid, 'so what would qualify as someone getting booted from the rotation?'
  720. [Fri Jul 31 18:58:20 2015] You tell your raid, 'Failure to kill the mob once, twice?'
  721. [Fri Jul 31 18:58:25 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'no'
  722. [Fri Jul 31 18:58:27 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'trades between raid targets are also removed then?'
  723. [Fri Jul 31 18:58:35 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'id say 2 times?'
  724. [Fri Jul 31 18:58:35 2015] Thalanos tells the raid, 'Skyp, how or where does a guild fit in the rotation if they only raid on Fridays and Saturdays (or any set days for that matter?)'
  725. [Fri Jul 31 18:58:46 2015] Zeksy tells the raid, 'twice'
  726. [Fri Jul 31 18:58:53 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'failure to kill any two mobs in a cycle that you attempt should get you boot from the rotation imo'
  727. [Fri Jul 31 18:59:01 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'Not once atleas.. and twice is harsh to'
  728. [Fri Jul 31 18:59:13 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'is there a punishment for not attempting'
  729. [Fri Jul 31 18:59:45 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'How about this.. If a guild proves to be inactive and just take up time we hold a vote.. you get a warning and after that you get booted'
  730. [Fri Jul 31 18:59:54 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'what we all need to do is have more communication betwene guilds anyway'
  731. [Fri Jul 31 19:00:02 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'I'd rather say this: If i guild does not engage the mob, due to low online member count, they can pass on the mob in the rotation on spawn'
  732. [Fri Jul 31 19:00:05 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'IE can i pass because i dont raid on X day?'
  733. [Fri Jul 31 19:00:10 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'before we move onto the other stuff, can we all make sure everyone agrees on this type of rotation?'
  734. [Fri Jul 31 19:00:21 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'everything else is moot if we can't agree on the structure, imo'
  735. [Fri Jul 31 19:00:21 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'If you specify thaty ou only raid those days you wont get time slots on the other days'
  736. [Fri Jul 31 19:00:27 2015] Cutie tells the raid, 'i think passing on a mob, or not raiding it should not disqualify you'
  737. [Fri Jul 31 19:00:39 2015] Cutie tells the raid, 'attempting a mob, and failing, should count against you'
  738. [Fri Jul 31 19:00:40 2015] Zeksy tells the raid, 'i agree with Bon on that '
  739. [Fri Jul 31 19:00:43 2015] Thalanos tells the raid, 'A guild needs to be able to pass the rotation to the next. If they attempt it and FAIL, that's when we can start talking about booting people.'
  740. [Fri Jul 31 19:00:57 2015] Thalanos tells the raid, 'a guild should not be punished for not being online during their rotation period'
  741. [Fri Jul 31 19:00:58 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'I agree with bon as well'
  742. [Fri Jul 31 19:01:39 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'But i agree with Eaza.. Lets agree on the structure first before we discuss specifics'
  743. [Fri Jul 31 19:01:44 2015] You tell your raid, 'We could add a clause where only 1 trade every 4 mobs given to the guild is allowed.'
  744. [Fri Jul 31 19:01:55 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'If a guild never kills anything, i agree there should be consequences...but if they lack members on 1 or 2 targets in a given week, they should have the option to pass on the mob...this will also result in more spawns'
  745. [Fri Jul 31 19:02:34 2015] You tell your raid, 'Before we continue down this road'
  746. [Fri Jul 31 19:02:38 2015] You tell your raid, 'Does anyone oppose to this rotation?'
  747. [Fri Jul 31 19:02:42 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'the trade thing does not really server a purpose with this time locked raiding Skyp?'
  748. [Fri Jul 31 19:03:19 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'I think you should ask Apok directly.. i tihkn they are "raiding" and dosnt seem engaged in the conversation atm'
  749. [Fri Jul 31 19:03:42 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'Ceaseless - not opposed'
  750. [Fri Jul 31 19:03:44 2015] You tell your raid, 'I will send Both Breeze and Apok a tell.'
  751. [Fri Jul 31 19:03:55 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'either that or the guilds present agrees to it '
  752. [Fri Jul 31 19:04:24 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'The Last Guardian is ok with this rotation, and would like to know more.'
  753. [Fri Jul 31 19:04:36 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'RoP is happy with the proposal'
  754. [Fri Jul 31 19:05:04 2015] Zeksy tells the raid, 'FP likes this proposal'
  755. [Fri Jul 31 19:05:40 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'Barbarians Icebelt open bid 50dkp'
  756. [Fri Jul 31 19:05:42 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'oop'
  757. [Fri Jul 31 19:06:09 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'CaF likes it'
  758. [Fri Jul 31 19:06:36 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'as it has to do with structure, we should discuss maybe adjusting the times next?'
  759. [Fri Jul 31 19:06:38 2015] You tell your raid, 'Both Apok and RoE have been contacted regarding the new agreed upon raid proposal with the ability to comment on it.'
  760. [Fri Jul 31 19:07:02 2015] You tell your raid, 'Who wants the ability to trade raid mobs?'
  761. [Fri Jul 31 19:07:30 2015] Matthias tells the raid, '<FAlse Prophecy> wants the ability to trade'
  762. [Fri Jul 31 19:07:38 2015] Thalanos tells the raid, 'What does it hurt? Any possible way to abuse? if not, sure.'
  763. [Fri Jul 31 19:07:50 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'CaF wants to put 1005 responsibility on bonlgon, he knows what to do'
  764. [Fri Jul 31 19:07:53 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'im not sure how trading a raid mob would benefit anyone'
  765. [Fri Jul 31 19:07:55 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, '100&PCT;'
  766. [Fri Jul 31 19:08:08 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'You only opt into a time zone where you can kill mobs'
  767. [Fri Jul 31 19:08:13 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'because its your primetime'
  768. [Fri Jul 31 19:08:19 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'which is the whole concept'
  769. [Fri Jul 31 19:08:33 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'trading mobs ruins the main idea behind this type of rotation'
  770. [Fri Jul 31 19:08:41 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'you get the mob in your prime time, so you can't really benifit from trading anymore. If you do not have the force, pass it along to the next in your time zone, and you will get it when it is your turn!'
  771. [Fri Jul 31 19:08:43 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'I dont think we need trading with this rotation, You can just let it go ffa, and we dps race for them.'
  772. [Fri Jul 31 19:08:48 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'considering if the guild in line can't kill, its supposed to go to the next guild'
  773. [Fri Jul 31 19:08:51 2015] Thalanos tells the raid, 'Except, both rotations assume every guild is available every day of the week. There will be ALOT of passing on targets.'
  774. [Fri Jul 31 19:09:04 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'Trading allows guilds to schedule raids on specific days, some of us dont raid on all days'
  775. [Fri Jul 31 19:09:13 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'with this rotation, if you let the mob go, it goes to the next guild in line'
  776. [Fri Jul 31 19:09:22 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'however passing to the next guild would do the same thing'
  777. [Fri Jul 31 19:09:23 2015] You tell your raid, 'We can say if you pass on a raid mob, it has to be before the previous guilds mob has killed it.'
  778. [Fri Jul 31 19:09:24 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'trading in this sense, is cheating the system'
  779. [Fri Jul 31 19:09:26 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'what Eaza said'
  780. [Fri Jul 31 19:09:30 2015] You tell your raid, 'But remove the ability for guilds to trade.'
  781. [Fri Jul 31 19:09:46 2015] You tell your raid, 'If a guild passes, it can go to the next guild on the list.'
  782. [Fri Jul 31 19:09:53 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'thats fair'
  783. [Fri Jul 31 19:10:09 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'what equates a pass though, and not just a failed attempt'
  784. [Fri Jul 31 19:10:22 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'Rosengard pass's on CT'
  785. [Fri Jul 31 19:10:23 2015] You tell your raid, 'that way it won't remove you from the list. But if you failed to give the notice before the raid mob died. You have two attempts to kill it within the specified window otherwise you will be removed and have to reapply to the rotation?'
  786. [Fri Jul 31 19:10:27 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'in the channel we surely will have'
  787. [Fri Jul 31 19:10:27 2015] Thalanos tells the raid, 'i would say as soon as you make a first attempt, you give up your shot at passing.'
  788. [Fri Jul 31 19:10:28 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'we didn't have the numbers =/= failed?'
  789. [Fri Jul 31 19:10:44 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'okay that sounds fair'
  790. [Fri Jul 31 19:10:48 2015] Zeksy tells the raid, 'i agree with that thalanos'
  791. [Fri Jul 31 19:10:53 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'what both skyp and thalanos said'
  792. [Fri Jul 31 19:11:08 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'giving notice, basically'
  793. [Fri Jul 31 19:11:17 2015] You tell your raid, 'so you want the ability to pass the raid mob when it spawns or?'
  794. [Fri Jul 31 19:11:22 2015] You tell your raid, 'to be revoked*'
  795. [Fri Jul 31 19:11:28 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'i agree with giving notice to a pass -- '
  796. [Fri Jul 31 19:11:35 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'I'd say, if you're next in line, you have 2 hours before the window opens? something like that?'
  797. [Fri Jul 31 19:11:52 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'agree with Thalasor'
  798. [Fri Jul 31 19:12:01 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'EG. False prophecy has Inny on tuesday -- False prophecy doesnt raid on tuesday so they can pass to the next guild ect'
  799. [Fri Jul 31 19:12:03 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'Thalanos*'
  800. [Fri Jul 31 19:12:23 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'those all sound fair, really'
  801. [Fri Jul 31 19:12:34 2015] You tell your raid, 'OK, so just to reiterate'
  802. [Fri Jul 31 19:12:40 2015] You tell your raid, 'what is the required notice that you guys want.'
  803. [Fri Jul 31 19:12:50 2015] Eaza tells the raid, '2 hours should be fair, I think'
  804. [Fri Jul 31 19:12:56 2015] You tell your raid, '2 hours before what?'
  805. [Fri Jul 31 19:13:04 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'meaning, when the EU window is closing, 2 hours before the NA time, etc etc'
  806. [Fri Jul 31 19:13:05 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'window'
  807. [Fri Jul 31 19:13:13 2015] You tell your raid, 'so if the mob dies, they have 22 hours to pass it?'
  808. [Fri Jul 31 19:13:16 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'when the FFA window is closing, EU has 2 hours before the EU window opens'
  809. [Fri Jul 31 19:13:25 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'yes Skyp'
  810. [Fri Jul 31 19:13:30 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'before 2 hours, I should say'
  811. [Fri Jul 31 19:13:35 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'yes, exactly'
  812. [Fri Jul 31 19:13:44 2015] You tell your raid, 'anyone object to 2 hours before the window opens before being able to pass it off?'
  813. [Fri Jul 31 19:13:48 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'i smoke too much weed for this fml'
  814. [Fri Jul 31 19:13:59 2015] You tell your raid, 'Yea, im documenting it as I go.'
  815. [Fri Jul 31 19:14:07 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, '<3'
  816. [Fri Jul 31 19:14:08 2015] You tell your raid, 'we're nearing an end'
  817. [Fri Jul 31 19:14:11 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'thats fine'
  818. [Fri Jul 31 19:14:16 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, '2 hours before window opens is fine with tlg'
  819. [Fri Jul 31 19:14:24 2015] You tell your raid, 'Anyone object?'
  820. [Fri Jul 31 19:14:32 2015] Zeksy tells the raid, '2 hours is fine with FP'
  821. [Fri Jul 31 19:14:39 2015] Thalanos tells the raid, '2 Hours is good.'
  822. [Fri Jul 31 19:15:01 2015] You tell your raid, 'OK, next step'
  823. [Fri Jul 31 19:15:20 2015] You tell your raid, 'Two attempts to kill Mob A before being removed from the rotation if the two hour notice of passing has not been met?'
  824. [Fri Jul 31 19:15:21 2015] Thalanos tells the raid, 'Although the ugilds that only raid on certain days are going to have "perma passes" but that's beside the point.'
  825. [Fri Jul 31 19:15:46 2015] Sulerill tells the raid, 'there is also FFA slots on those days too.'
  826. [Fri Jul 31 19:15:47 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'I think thats harsh'
  827. [Fri Jul 31 19:15:55 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'that benefits the guilds who can raid more often, which is fine by me (one of the guilds with specific raid days)'
  828. [Fri Jul 31 19:16:09 2015] You tell your raid, 'Elaborate please Bon.'
  829. [Fri Jul 31 19:16:34 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'sorry, my response was directed at Thalanos'
  830. [Fri Jul 31 19:16:49 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'Id like to add something to this also after Bonlgon'
  831. [Fri Jul 31 19:16:52 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'Guild A has just managed to kill gatekeeper (KoS).. Then there next mob is CT (is that he hardest of the 4?).. He spawns they engage and wipe'
  832. [Fri Jul 31 19:17:06 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'They pick it up again.. and wipe once more and is removed from the rotation'
  833. [Fri Jul 31 19:17:16 2015] You tell your raid, 'I honestly think Nagafen is the hardest of the 4 mobs in the rotation'
  834. [Fri Jul 31 19:17:20 2015] You tell your raid, 'and honestly harder then KoS.'
  835. [Fri Jul 31 19:17:24 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'they could pass, Bonlgon'
  836. [Fri Jul 31 19:17:31 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'as we've already stated there is that option'
  837. [Fri Jul 31 19:17:52 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'A guild that has just entetered the rotation will be eager to get an attempt on any mob.. and wiping is a big posibility.. kicking em out straight away'
  838. [Fri Jul 31 19:17:53 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'we don't want people to pass endlessly because they are afraid of wiping tho Eaza'
  839. [Fri Jul 31 19:18:18 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'I don't see how that doesn't benefit the guilds who CAN kill those mobs?'
  840. [Fri Jul 31 19:18:20 2015] You tell your raid, 'passing doesn't impact the rotation necessarily though.'
  841. [Fri Jul 31 19:18:32 2015] You tell your raid, 'By passing it essentially excludes the guild from the rotation.'
  842. [Fri Jul 31 19:18:35 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'if a guild passes on everything, they're only hurting themselves'
  843. [Fri Jul 31 19:18:51 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'and because they MUST give 2 hour notice, the other guild should be ready'
  844. [Fri Jul 31 19:19:33 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'lets also keep in mind, this rotation will be serving the server for more than just classic'
  845. [Fri Jul 31 19:19:41 2015] You tell your raid, 'we can say that after killing KoS, you are added to the end of the rotation. With Nagafen being the first target?'
  846. [Fri Jul 31 19:19:42 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'that brings up another problem...what if a guild passes, and the next in line has no person online to call raid etc and has to pass also?'
  847. [Fri Jul 31 19:19:52 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'should the pass be handed directly to the next guild?'
  848. [Fri Jul 31 19:20:21 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'every guild on the rotation should be responsible for checking with the rotation'
  849. [Fri Jul 31 19:20:23 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'it would just go to the next guild in line Syrgen'
  850. [Fri Jul 31 19:20:35 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'they should have a very large timeframe to know when/if their guild will be next'
  851. [Fri Jul 31 19:21:05 2015] Zeksy tells the raid, 'i want to clarify something please. If in your scheduled window you wipe, retry and wipe again, does that remove you from rotation? or is it, you failed to kill the target in this window on day 1 and on your next day you also fail to kill it, therefore remove?'
  852. [Fri Jul 31 19:21:10 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'and again, I must stress, with kunark coming out, there IS going to be discrepancies for what guilds can kill what targets'
  853. [Fri Jul 31 19:21:43 2015] Sulerill tells the raid, 'that counts as 1 Zeksy, not 2'
  854. [Fri Jul 31 19:21:45 2015] You tell your raid, 'I assume it means that you try naggy on day 1, you wipe/cant kill it within the 3 hour. Next Naggy window you're up and you wipe again over the three hours. You're removed'
  855. [Fri Jul 31 19:21:50 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'I still dont think we should kick guilds for wiping to a mob.. Its bad enough that you wipe.. Kick guilds for being inactive and just take time on the rotation'
  856. [Fri Jul 31 19:22:05 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'Example--> VP, not every guild will be keyed, I'm assuming if we're being realisitic, TL will probably have a lock on it for a bit, but it will still be in the rotation'
  857. [Fri Jul 31 19:22:17 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'I agree with Bonlgon's last point too, but that goes more so that it only benefits everyone else'
  858. [Fri Jul 31 19:22:47 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'agree with Bonlgon'
  859. [Fri Jul 31 19:22:51 2015] You tell your raid, 'What determines when a guild goes inactive?'
  860. [Fri Jul 31 19:22:58 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'We do'
  861. [Fri Jul 31 19:23:03 2015] Zeksy tells the raid, 'ok, that's what i was making sure, i don't want it to be that you dont have the raid force on a single day but still try, and by wiping twice shoot yourself in the foot. and overall i really do agree with bon'
  862. [Fri Jul 31 19:23:06 2015] Eaza tells the raid, '2/3 vote option is in place'
  863. [Fri Jul 31 19:23:11 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'vote on it?'
  864. [Fri Jul 31 19:23:19 2015] You tell your raid, 'I'm ok with that. '
  865. [Fri Jul 31 19:23:31 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'The problem with not removing a guild from the rotation for not killing their mobs. Is because we have KOS as gatekeeper, a lot of guilds could stay in the rotation.'
  866. [Fri Jul 31 19:23:32 2015] Zeksy tells the raid, 'i would say inactive is if you dont attempt any target for... 2 weeks?'
  867. [Fri Jul 31 19:23:34 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'if they're active, kill gatekeepr again'
  868. [Fri Jul 31 19:24:00 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'that's fair, Zeksy'
  869. [Fri Jul 31 19:24:00 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'And if they are proven to be inactive they will be kicked out and have to retry'
  870. [Fri Jul 31 19:24:14 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'No guilds would care to just sit idle by on the rotation.. to much hassle to keep track of for nothing'
  871. [Fri Jul 31 19:24:16 2015] You tell your raid, 'anyone oppose to 2/3 guild voting to declare a guild as inactive. Requiring said inactive guild to kill KoS again to get back on the rotation?'
  872. [Fri Jul 31 19:24:29 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'RG in favor'
  873. [Fri Jul 31 19:24:37 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'DW in favor'
  874. [Fri Jul 31 19:24:44 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'in favor, but with a 2 week no kill stipulation'
  875. [Fri Jul 31 19:24:46 2015] You tell your raid, 'This means, we're getting rid of the removal of guilds from the rotation, correct? For clarity.'
  876. [Fri Jul 31 19:24:51 2015] Zeksy tells the raid, 'FP in favor'
  877. [Fri Jul 31 19:24:57 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'Yes skyp'
  878. [Fri Jul 31 19:24:59 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'TLG in favor'
  879. [Fri Jul 31 19:25:00 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'caf in favor'
  880. [Fri Jul 31 19:25:01 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'correct skyp'
  881. [Fri Jul 31 19:25:08 2015] Thalanos tells the raid, 'im in favor'
  882. [Fri Jul 31 19:26:08 2015] You tell your raid, 'Ok, progress'
  883. [Fri Jul 31 19:26:13 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'In favor'
  884. [Fri Jul 31 19:26:41 2015] You tell your raid, 'So the guilds we have here with us Apok RoE'
  885. [Fri Jul 31 19:26:51 2015] You tell your raid, 'What guilds should have to kill the gatekeeper to get in the new proposed rotation?'
  886. [Fri Jul 31 19:27:02 2015] You tell your raid, 'Should they be added automatically, should they have to kill KoS?'
  887. [Fri Jul 31 19:27:05 2015] Birkoff tells the raid, 'DW'
  888. [Fri Jul 31 19:27:07 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'Has anyone guild here not killed Kos?'
  889. [Fri Jul 31 19:27:15 2015] Birkoff tells the raid, 'we killed old one'
  890. [Fri Jul 31 19:27:26 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, '(buffed one)'
  891. [Fri Jul 31 19:27:29 2015] You tell your raid, 'was it the revamped KoS?'
  892. [Fri Jul 31 19:27:37 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'obviously the post buff, most of us have killed the easy one'
  893. [Fri Jul 31 19:27:42 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'i kileld keeper of souls by myself so i dont see it being an issue for my guild'
  894. [Fri Jul 31 19:27:48 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'err protector of sky'
  895. [Fri Jul 31 19:27:58 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'I dont think any guild on the current rotation killed version one, or two gatekeepers over then Apok, TL and RG. So there is precedent to just adding guilds.'
  896. [Fri Jul 31 19:28:05 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'Wait, protector of sky or KoS?'
  897. [Fri Jul 31 19:28:15 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'KoS'
  898. [Fri Jul 31 19:28:18 2015] Zeksy tells the raid, 'KoS'
  899. [Fri Jul 31 19:28:21 2015] You tell your raid, 'we agreed on KoS I believe, confirm Saytonic?'
  900. [Fri Jul 31 19:28:22 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'we are discussing KoS'
  901. [Fri Jul 31 19:28:23 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'okay'
  902. [Fri Jul 31 19:28:26 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'KoS was agreed upon'
  903. [Fri Jul 31 19:28:32 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'yes yes i was just stating '
  904. [Fri Jul 31 19:28:35 2015] You tell your raid, 'werd'
  905. [Fri Jul 31 19:28:49 2015] You tell your raid, 'Does anyone feel any guild presently here should be excluded from the rotation? If so why?'
  906. [Fri Jul 31 19:29:07 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'I feel that any guild that havnt killed KoS (buffed) should'
  907. [Fri Jul 31 19:29:18 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'For the simple reason they havnt killed KoS yet.. Kill it and get added'
  908. [Fri Jul 31 19:29:20 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'i feel CaF should have to kill KoS'
  909. [Fri Jul 31 19:29:23 2015] You tell your raid, 'What guilds have not killed KoS here?'
  910. [Fri Jul 31 19:29:32 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'we havent really tested ourselves as a whole'
  911. [Fri Jul 31 19:29:32 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'RoP should be exluded'
  912. [Fri Jul 31 19:29:37 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'Excluded*'
  913. [Fri Jul 31 19:29:45 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'we cannot kill KoS in its current form, yet'
  914. [Fri Jul 31 19:29:45 2015] Zeksy tells the raid, 'FP has not killed the buffed KoS yet, and i think any guild that can say the same should be excluded until they do'
  915. [Fri Jul 31 19:29:55 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'TLG killed kos this morning, and 2/3rds of noble cycle.'
  916. [Fri Jul 31 19:30:11 2015] You tell your raid, 'a better question is, what guilds have killed KoS?'
  917. [Fri Jul 31 19:30:19 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'RG'
  918. [Fri Jul 31 19:30:21 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'TLG'
  919. [Fri Jul 31 19:30:39 2015] You tell your raid, 'TL has*'
  920. [Fri Jul 31 19:30:55 2015] You tell your raid, 'Just those three?'
  921. [Fri Jul 31 19:30:56 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'for fairness'
  922. [Fri Jul 31 19:30:57 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'apok also i think?'
  923. [Fri Jul 31 19:30:58 2015] Zeksy tells the raid, 'TL has?! that's shocking and unbelievable :)'
  924. [Fri Jul 31 19:31:01 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'and to make things less complicated'
  925. [Fri Jul 31 19:31:02 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'apok obv has'
  926. [Fri Jul 31 19:31:02 2015] You tell your raid, 'Apok and RoE I think has as well.'
  927. [Fri Jul 31 19:31:03 2015] Thalanos tells the raid, 'What measurement of proof do we have to provide for said kills? Or is everyone always honest ?'
  928. [Fri Jul 31 19:31:11 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'I dont think there shold be a change to what guilds are currently in the rotation'
  929. [Fri Jul 31 19:31:16 2015] You tell your raid, 'a screenshot and a /time stamp of the corpse.'
  930. [Fri Jul 31 19:31:24 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, '^^'
  931. [Fri Jul 31 19:31:26 2015] Sulerill tells the raid, 'just post that on the forums and it should be enough'
  932. [Fri Jul 31 19:31:29 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'also...should the kills be without mage wall as Bonlgon suggested before?'
  933. [Fri Jul 31 19:31:31 2015] Zeksy tells the raid, 'agreed'
  934. [Fri Jul 31 19:31:44 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'i dont think so'
  935. [Fri Jul 31 19:31:55 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'its part of "ok'd" dev mechanics'
  936. [Fri Jul 31 19:31:56 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'no, if you kill something (using in game mechanics), that's what the game requires'
  937. [Fri Jul 31 19:32:03 2015] Zeksy tells the raid, 'as much as i hate to say this, i don't think anyone should police any other guilds raid comp'
  938. [Fri Jul 31 19:32:05 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'agree'
  939. [Fri Jul 31 19:32:22 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'if you want to throw 800 people at something thats fine to'
  940. [Fri Jul 31 19:32:23 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'Also'
  941. [Fri Jul 31 19:32:25 2015] You tell your raid, 'Alright, anyone object to the discussion on how its killed and proof of evidence?'
  942. [Fri Jul 31 19:32:56 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'Screenshot/timestamp fine'
  943. [Fri Jul 31 19:32:57 2015] Zeksy tells the raid, 'no objections '
  944. [Fri Jul 31 19:33:05 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'oh and.. honesty? omg !'
  945. [Fri Jul 31 19:33:12 2015] Thalanos tells the raid, 'Unheard of.'
  946. [Fri Jul 31 19:33:17 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'pro paint skills inc'
  947. [Fri Jul 31 19:33:40 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'bonlgon ahs earned my trust thats about it <3'
  948. [Fri Jul 31 19:34:02 2015] You tell your raid, 'Does anyone object to using the ragefire forums as a location to keep the rules? All spreadsheets should be given to the leader of the guilds to edit for time kills (Each leader has the ability to pass off the work to anyone in the guild).'
  949. [Fri Jul 31 19:34:02 2015] Sulerill tells the raid, 'from what ive seen of the guilds being active here today, I highly doubt that any of them would try to lie about things. I don't think they want the rest of the server shunning them.'
  950. [Fri Jul 31 19:34:23 2015] You tell your raid, 'If that one guild tampers (doesn't matter who), with the document. They are automatically removed from the rotation? Theres an edit log that can be reviewed for assurance.'
  951. [Fri Jul 31 19:34:26 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'agreed'
  952. [Fri Jul 31 19:34:39 2015] You tell your raid, 'All proposed changes must have a majority agreement of all guilds presently in the rotation.'
  953. [Fri Jul 31 19:34:48 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'agreed skyp'
  954. [Fri Jul 31 19:34:51 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'agreed'
  955. [Fri Jul 31 19:34:52 2015] Zeksy tells the raid, 'agreed'
  956. [Fri Jul 31 19:34:57 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'agree'
  957. [Fri Jul 31 19:34:58 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'agreed'
  958. [Fri Jul 31 19:35:01 2015] Thalanos tells the raid, 'agree'
  959. [Fri Jul 31 19:35:01 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'sounds good'
  960. [Fri Jul 31 19:35:07 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'agreed'
  961. [Fri Jul 31 19:35:25 2015] You tell your raid, 'Just to reiterate, the current guilds in the rotation should be. CAF, TL, Rosengard, RoE, Apok, TLG?'
  962. [Fri Jul 31 19:35:28 2015] You tell your raid, 'am I missing someone?'
  963. [Fri Jul 31 19:35:35 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'negative'
  964. [Fri Jul 31 19:35:42 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'CaF has to earn the spot '
  965. [Fri Jul 31 19:35:49 2015] You tell your raid, 'Errr yea, remove CAF from that list.'
  966. [Fri Jul 31 19:35:49 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'Not us?'
  967. [Fri Jul 31 19:36:12 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, '@trackanon - have u killed KoS?'
  968. [Fri Jul 31 19:36:12 2015] You tell your raid, 'Ceaseless, RG, TL, TLG, Apok, RoE'
  969. [Fri Jul 31 19:36:17 2015] You tell your raid, 'confirm/deny?'
  970. [Fri Jul 31 19:36:18 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'did ceaseless kill post buff KoS? or any post buff raid targets?'
  971. [Fri Jul 31 19:36:39 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'Correct. We have not killed buffed KoS'
  972. [Fri Jul 31 19:36:51 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'if they've killed any of the post buff rotation mobs, or KoS, I'm fine with them being added'
  973. [Fri Jul 31 19:36:54 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'personnaly, i feel you should have to, as im holding my own guild back due to that fact'
  974. [Fri Jul 31 19:36:57 2015] You tell your raid, 'is Ceaseless oppose to killing KoS to get added to the rotation?'
  975. [Fri Jul 31 19:37:21 2015] Zeksy tells the raid, 'from what i hear, RG, TL, TLG, Apok, RoE should be on the rotation. the rest of us should be earning our spot it seems like'
  976. [Fri Jul 31 19:37:46 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'agree'
  977. [Fri Jul 31 19:37:48 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'seems accurate and fair to me'
  978. [Fri Jul 31 19:37:52 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'TLG said they killed KoS?'
  979. [Fri Jul 31 19:38:01 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'correct'
  980. [Fri Jul 31 19:38:04 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'kk'
  981. [Fri Jul 31 19:38:04 2015] Zeksy tells the raid, 'yes'
  982. [Fri Jul 31 19:38:18 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'We have been doing everything in our power to play fairly with other raid guilds and build good strong relationships. I wont want to bypass the KoS gate keeper mechanic if everyone else has to do it.'
  983. [Fri Jul 31 19:38:39 2015] Zeksy tells the raid, 'same for FP'
  984. [Fri Jul 31 19:38:42 2015] You tell your raid, 'Perfect, who would have thought guilds would collaborate given the opportunity to.'
  985. [Fri Jul 31 19:38:42 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'the great thing about KoS, is, it's up a few times a day'
  986. [Fri Jul 31 19:38:43 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'We havent killed KoS as of Yet'
  987. [Fri Jul 31 19:38:44 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'TLG killed kos and noble, and overseer this morning yes.'
  988. [Fri Jul 31 19:39:49 2015] Overcast tells the raid, '[Fri Jul 31 09:15:13 2015] Kebarer has been slain by Keeper of Souls!'
  989. [Fri Jul 31 19:39:50 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'sounds like we've completed that topic, what's the next one?'
  990. [Fri Jul 31 19:40:07 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'fucking kebarer'
  991. [Fri Jul 31 19:40:10 2015] You tell your raid, 'Order of the rotation'
  992. [Fri Jul 31 19:40:15 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'I hate Kebarer'
  993. [Fri Jul 31 19:40:20 2015] Overcast tells the raid, 'whoops wrong thing >_>'
  994. [Fri Jul 31 19:40:25 2015] You tell your raid, 'Because one order is currently in tact, I'd rather not mess with it due to the drama it may cause'
  995. [Fri Jul 31 19:40:36 2015] You tell your raid, 'Instead I propose, we automatically add the guilds to the end of the rotation presently in place.'
  996. [Fri Jul 31 19:40:46 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'agreed'
  997. [Fri Jul 31 19:40:52 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'I dont have a problem with that'
  998. [Fri Jul 31 19:41:05 2015] Zeksy tells the raid, 'agreed'
  999. [Fri Jul 31 19:41:07 2015] Overcast tells the raid, 'im good with it'
  1000. [Fri Jul 31 19:41:08 2015] You tell your raid, 'Jain are you ok with having this on your forum?'
  1001. [Fri Jul 31 19:41:08 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'agreed'
  1002. [Fri Jul 31 19:41:11 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'FP agrees'
  1003. [Fri Jul 31 19:41:15 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, 'im gonna step out for now, I trust bonlgon, skyp, and overcast will come to a mutual agreement of somesort, and support that decision'
  1004. [Fri Jul 31 19:41:17 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'Yes'
  1005. [Fri Jul 31 19:41:26 2015] Saytonic tells the raid, '<3'
  1006. [Fri Jul 31 19:41:28 2015] You tell your raid, 'Is anyone extremely picky with the order of the rotation?'
  1007. [Fri Jul 31 19:41:39 2015] Zeksy tells the raid, 'no'
  1008. [Fri Jul 31 19:41:46 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'what you've just described, is fair'
  1009. [Fri Jul 31 19:41:46 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'no'
  1010. [Fri Jul 31 19:41:47 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'question'
  1011. [Fri Jul 31 19:41:51 2015] You tell your raid, 'Yup'
  1012. [Fri Jul 31 19:42:04 2015] You tell your raid, 'Before everyone leaves, Jain will post the official rules after I summarization our discussion'
  1013. [Fri Jul 31 19:42:13 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'you say add to the end of rotation....that means they will have all 4 mobs spawning close to each other to kill or?'
  1014. [Fri Jul 31 19:42:15 2015] You tell your raid, 'It will require every guild representative to make a post under it to make it official.'
  1015. [Fri Jul 31 19:42:16 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'Are we going to establish an in game chat channel for officers leaders to talk about rotation IE Passes ECT'
  1016. [Fri Jul 31 19:42:40 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'okay'
  1017. [Fri Jul 31 19:42:43 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'actually thats a good point'
  1018. [Fri Jul 31 19:42:47 2015] You tell your raid, 'it means the current rotation set by Apok and RoE stays in tact, with the alteration in the rules and added to the end of it.'
  1019. [Fri Jul 31 19:42:47 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'currently the guilds are staggered'
  1020. [Fri Jul 31 19:42:56 2015] You tell your raid, 'Meaning that a full rotation will likely have to occur before the new one starts'
  1021. [Fri Jul 31 19:43:01 2015] Thalanos tells the raid, 'I think that would be a good idea. Also a scheduled meeting for every new xpac to discuss changes/modifications to rotation based on new content.'
  1022. [Fri Jul 31 19:43:29 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'Agrreed with @ Thalanos'
  1023. [Fri Jul 31 19:43:30 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'I wont mind skipping our turns on mobs if that means we get this rotation going faster'
  1024. [Fri Jul 31 19:43:33 2015] You tell your raid, 'I would be open to discussing Kunark sometime int he near future. Before it gets released, as we've spent 3 hours here today I think we've accomplished a lot. I am open to the idea of sharing Kunark as well.'
  1025. [Fri Jul 31 19:43:34 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'ok...i get it now...they get into the next "round" of the rotation'
  1026. [Fri Jul 31 19:43:49 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'and and giving everyone else a chance at getting into the rotation faster aswell'
  1027. [Fri Jul 31 19:44:07 2015] You tell your raid, 'As an aside, I want to say that its our job to make this server more respectable to play on'
  1028. [Fri Jul 31 19:44:21 2015] You tell your raid, 'I think we should hold ourselves more accountable for our guilds actions and my guild is probably the worst offender for it.'
  1029. [Fri Jul 31 19:44:44 2015] You tell your raid, 'Also, appreciate you guys spending the time to sit down and discuss this.'
  1030. [Fri Jul 31 19:44:49 2015] Thalanos tells the raid, 'can we establish a date/time when next meeting will be held? I think this format is a great way to discuss things.'
  1031. [Fri Jul 31 19:45:06 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'As long as it happens on a friday or saturday'
  1032. [Fri Jul 31 19:45:12 2015] You tell your raid, 'I can get Jain to set something up on the forum for leaders/officers to discuss topics, I think it should be open to the public though.'
  1033. [Fri Jul 31 19:45:24 2015] You tell your raid, 'for viewing*'
  1034. [Fri Jul 31 19:45:31 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'Skyp are we going to have a chart channel for rotation?'
  1035. [Fri Jul 31 19:45:32 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'That is fine skyp.. as View only.. weve seen how that goes onDBG forums'
  1036. [Fri Jul 31 19:45:36 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'ingame*'
  1037. [Fri Jul 31 19:45:50 2015] You tell your raid, 'We can if you like'
  1038. [Fri Jul 31 19:46:02 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'rotation:ragefirex is already up.. we can use that'
  1039. [Fri Jul 31 19:46:05 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'Glad to set up the forums however it is decided'
  1040. [Fri Jul 31 19:46:18 2015] You tell your raid, 'Lets get these rules posted first and I'll be in contact with you. If you can review,sign discuss things before tomorrow afternoon that would be great. I'd like to get them officially submitted before the weekend is over.'
  1041. [Fri Jul 31 19:46:45 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'Do we have anything else before i head out? work in 5 hours ('
  1042. [Fri Jul 31 19:46:57 2015] You tell your raid, 'I don't think so, I'm good. Unless someone has something to add.'
  1043. [Fri Jul 31 19:47:02 2015] Sulerill tells the raid, 'bonlgon we all know you are a male stripper, its okay!'
  1044. [Fri Jul 31 19:47:12 2015] Zeksy tells the raid, 'lol'
  1045. [Fri Jul 31 19:47:14 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'one has to work you know...'
  1046. [Fri Jul 31 19:47:22 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'I would like it on the minutes, that sharks are amazing creatures. And happen to give amazing exp as well.'
  1047. [Fri Jul 31 19:47:38 2015] Birkoff tells the raid, 'what forum will this be posted on'
  1048. [Fri Jul 31 19:47:57 2015] You tell your raid, 'Grabbing a coffee and letting my head rest for 15 minutes.'
  1049. [Fri Jul 31 19:48:04 2015] Thalanos tells the raid, 'I think it's important the community as a whole hears what we've discussed - it should be shared on both public and on our new Ragefire forums.'
  1050. [Fri Jul 31 19:48:06 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'the officer chat forum'
  1051. [Fri Jul 31 19:48:07 2015] You tell your raid, 'thanks again for coming up, you know where to find me.'
  1052. [Fri Jul 31 19:48:17 2015] You tell your raid, 'I will post this entire log on ragefire and TLP.'
  1053. [Fri Jul 31 19:48:25 2015] Thalanos tells the raid, 'nod'
  1054. [Fri Jul 31 19:48:27 2015] You tell your raid, 'it's going to be huge though lol. Maybe i'll just post a link to the doc.'
  1055. [Fri Jul 31 19:48:42 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'I'd like to expand on what Skyp mentioned'
  1056. [Fri Jul 31 19:48:47 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'Will serve well for upping your post count!'
  1057. [Fri Jul 31 19:48:56 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'Good night..'
  1058. [Fri Jul 31 19:49:00 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'I'm personally tired of people hiding behind the 'well this is the game the devs want us to play' attitude'
  1059. [Fri Jul 31 19:49:21 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'just because there are no rules, doesn't mean you can't be nice and get along'
  1060. [Fri Jul 31 19:49:30 2015] Syrgen tells the raid, 'agree Eaza'
  1061. [Fri Jul 31 19:50:21 2015] Zeksy tells the raid, 'agreed. i get that people clash on a personal level, but if thats the case, than someone from those guilds still need to be able to talk to each other without insults.'
  1062. [Fri Jul 31 19:52:07 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'I know our guild has had issues with TL, as an example, and I'd like to thank Skyp for helping solve some issues we've had over the past couple days, it really has done a lot of change opinions'
  1063. [Fri Jul 31 19:52:24 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'Apok, same thing'
  1064. [Fri Jul 31 19:52:52 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'have had a lot of positive experiences with both guilds lately, and I think it really speaks a lot to both of your guilds'
  1065. [Fri Jul 31 19:52:56 2015] Thalanos tells the raid, 'Just a heads up to other leadership - I will be in touch when I've had a chance to reform RoI on RF. Likely in a few weeks we will be attempting the gatekeeper. Have a good evening all.'
  1066. [Fri Jul 31 19:53:11 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'Good night.'
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