[12:21 AM] Sascha: @resnanm Hello
[12:22 AM] Sascha: We said stop
[12:23 AM] resnanm: Dude, plz treat people with respect
[12:23 AM] resnanm: I get that the king doesn't have to listen to his own rules, but I mean it's a horrible experience here
[12:24 AM] Sascha: I do not condone the other people's actions either
[12:24 AM] Sascha: but that doesn't change the fact that we would like this to end
[12:25 AM] resnanm: Yes I would as well
[12:25 AM] resnanm: I replied "ok" to your tag saying "please stop"
[12:25 AM] Sascha: if we come to an agreement, there will be no further repercussions
[12:25 AM] Sascha: and didn't stop
[12:25 AM] resnanm: I did though
[12:25 AM] resnanm: I mean, if you're saying when I said what other people think
[12:26 AM] resnanm: I was not trying to attack y'all
[12:26 AM] resnanm: Which I said in the post
[12:26 AM] Sascha: > And I just want to mention, not to attack anybody but rather to point something out, maybe to improve the place, on many servers this one is hated and people complain about how cruel y'all are to people and unwelcoming

this, in my eyes, is continuation(edited)
[12:27 AM] resnanm: TBH I just want to be part of the conlang community and have fun, but it isn't possible because if anybody has a question for something it is assumed they don't know anything
[12:27 AM] resnanm: Ya, that's the post
[12:27 AM] Sascha: I cannot control how other people feel about you
[12:27 AM] resnanm: I want that to be fixed somehow
[12:27 AM] resnanm: And I'm willing to participate
[12:27 AM] resnanm: But I can't if everyone is rude to me when I'm trying
[12:27 AM] resnanm: You feel where I'm coming from?
[12:27 AM] Sascha: I do, but I cannot exactly change it
[12:28 AM] resnanm: Sure you can ur a moderator it's why you were awarded the position
[12:28 AM] resnanm: To lead the people and guide them
[12:28 AM] Sascha: what do you want me to do, ban everyone
[12:28 AM] resnanm: Course not
[12:28 AM] resnanm: Just lay down the law
[12:28 AM] resnanm: You know, if the rules say be respectful
[12:29 AM] resnanm: Make sure people follow the rules
[12:29 AM] Sascha: that wouldn't change how people feel
[12:29 AM] resnanm: Just example idk if that's even a rule
[12:29 AM] Sascha: you being rude to everyone isn't following your own "law" either
[12:29 AM] Sascha: "No harassment" is a rule
[12:30 AM] resnanm: Well it's hard to stand by whilst like six people back me in corner and insult me
[12:30 AM] Sascha: I agree. Now, instead of talking about the argument at hand, can we quickly make a discourse about the why?
[12:31 AM] Sascha: you are aware why people dislike you, right?
[12:31 AM] Sascha: because some most certainly do
[12:31 AM] resnanm: Ya
[12:31 AM] resnanm: I get that
[12:32 AM] Sascha: if you ask me, it's not an unjustified feeling
[12:32 AM] Sascha: which is what makes it somewhat hard to do anything
[12:33 AM] resnanm: Ok that's passive aggressive right there
[12:33 AM] Sascha: I guess, I couldn't find a better way to phrase it
[12:34 AM] resnanm: Well how do you propose to solve the issue
[12:34 AM] resnanm: Like, I won't attack people if they don't attack me
[12:34 AM] resnanm: I just want to be part of the community
[12:34 AM] Sascha: well, retaliation is also not gonna help you
[12:34 AM] Sascha: if people are attacking you, attacking back will just throw fuel into the fire
[12:35 AM] Sascha: just because of the past circumstances, people are going to be ripping some jokes, and once that's turned into an argument it's very hard to make it stop
[12:35 AM] resnanm: It's human nature I'm not just going to stand by while people throw rocks at me, I'm gonna put my arms up and try to throw some back
[12:36 AM] Sascha: then my only suggestion is prove them wrong
[12:36 AM] Sascha: which involves, well, learning linguistics
[12:36 AM] resnanm: People don't listen here man
[12:36 AM] Sascha: (that is, keep on learning)
[12:36 AM] resnanm: If I try they'll just retaliate
[12:37 AM] resnanm: And I'm trying to learn but I get shut down when I ask questions (essential part of learning new things)
[12:37 AM] Sascha: well, what did they do. someone asked "tell me about tonogenesis" (a fairly basic topic when it comes to tones), having an answer ready would certainly help you
[12:37 AM] resnanm: But they ask that mockingly
[12:38 AM] Sascha: and still, if you have an answer ready, you show that you actually know stuff
[12:38 AM] Sascha: it still defuses the mocking
[12:39 AM] resnanm: You'd think so
[12:40 AM] resnanm: and i should've, but when stuff like this happens before
[12:40 AM] resnanm: it doesnt help
[12:42 AM] Klaus: Okay, may I make a recommendation? Stay away from #main
[12:42 AM] resnanm: Ok that isnt a bad idea
[12:42 AM] Klaus: if you want to ask linguistics or conlangs questions, do so in #linguistics and #conlangs
[12:42 AM] resnanm: but people there are also in those channels
[12:43 AM] Klaus: well, a community of people must have people in channels
[12:43 AM] Sascha: If you ask specific questions which don't have an easily google-able answer, people will be more willing to help
[12:43 AM] Sascha: a thing I've noticed in your questions is a trend of very broad questions
[12:43 AM] resnanm: ya, but that isnt a solution really, its something to work towards one, but it wont end the 'war' that happens here
[12:44 AM] Sascha: like, honestly, if you want to not interact with people here, then the only real solution is to not come here
[12:44 AM] resnanm: I want to interact yes
[12:44 AM] resnanm: But to many interacting with me is harassing me
[12:45 AM] resnanm: or others
[12:45 AM] resnanm: like, a mod here told me of their negative experiences via pm today after seeing whats happened
[12:45 AM] resnanm: i feel bad for other people too, not just myself
[12:45 AM] resnanm: so there must be a way to fix it
[12:48 AM] Klaus: are you suggesting we reform all of the members here because one's experience isn's too pleasant?(edited)
[12:48 AM] resnanm: nope
[12:48 AM] Klaus: it sounds like it
[12:48 AM] resnanm: it isnt "ones experience"
[12:48 AM] resnanm: its many
[12:49 AM] resnanm: and even if it sounds like it i said that isnt what im saying so theres no point in arguing over it
[12:49 AM] resnanm: thats the kinda stuff that happens, unneccesary arguing because people wont listen to reason (including me sometimes)
[12:51 AM] Sascha: I mean it just sounds like a problem of culture clashes, so to speak
[12:51 AM] Sascha: there's an existing community, some people fit in, others dont, and if the latter happens it usually causes arguments of some sort
[12:51 AM] resnanm: Ok............so where do we go from there
[12:52 AM] resnanm: I mean, everything has a chance to be fixed imo
[12:52 AM] resnanm: and people can get along fine with 'culture differences'
[12:52 AM] Sascha: well, my suggestion would be, since I can't exactly reform the mindset of everyone here (and I'm not gonna start ruling with an iron fist)…

make a better place for people who don't like it here
[12:53 AM] Klaus: or, another suggestion, don't take things too seriously
[12:53 AM] resnanm: that isnt a good suggestion imo
[12:53 AM] Sascha: if there are many people who dislike it here, then you should have no trouble getting a server off the ground
[12:54 AM] resnanm: i mean sure, jokes are things that happen, but that doesnt mean nothing should be serious
[12:55 AM] resnanm: so Im going to improve my attitude
[12:55 AM] resnanm: but i ask that others do as well
[12:56 AM] Slorany: and instead of retaliating, take it to the mods.
[12:56 AM] Slorany: Seriously.
[12:56 AM] resnanm: the mods are the problem half of the time
[12:56 AM] Slorany: Then PM mods that aren't the problem
[12:56 AM] resnanm: ok
[12:56 AM] Slorany: I didn't see Chimaera, Klaus or Sascha participate in #main(edited)
[12:56 AM] resnanm: klaus did
[12:56 AM] resnanm: but he argues lol @Klaus
[12:57 AM] Klaus: did I even say anything to you lmao
[12:57 AM] Slorany: And tried to calm down the thing
[12:57 AM] Slorany: As I did
[12:57 AM] Slorany: yet you were so wound up you attacked us as well
[12:57 AM] resnanm: but that is human nature
[12:58 AM] resnanm: i mean, you wouldnt taunt a drunk trying to recover with alcohol
[12:58 AM] Klaus: okay, here's another suggestion: how about you listen to us for once without throwing a comeback?
[12:59 AM] resnanm: i try, but when yall throw things like that ^ at me, you dont seem to understand that in itself is rude
[12:59 AM] Klaus: pardon?
[12:59 AM] resnanm: Don't you see how that's an aggressive comment
[1:00 AM] resnanm: That aggravates me which leads to heated discussion
[1:00 AM] Klaus: mine? yes, because you're pissing me off with your holier than thou bullshit
[1:00 AM] resnanm: I just want shit like that to end, but when moderators do it to me that are supposed to be leaders I'm stuck not knowing what to do
[1:00 AM] resnanm: I don't think your holier than me nor am I you
[1:01 AM] Slorany: "but that's human nature" should never be your argument for having been rude.
Being an adult implies you can control yourself.
[1:01 AM] Klaus: then stop with the comebacks
[1:01 AM] chimaeraUndying: are you not capable of exercising the self-control necessary to not respond in kind when someone provokes you?
[1:01 AM] resnanm: ...
[1:01 AM] resnanm: I am, but this is multiple members and  leaders(mods)
[1:01 AM] resnanm: Someone is wrong
[1:02 AM] resnanm: It isn't one
[1:02 AM] Slorany: I agree: several people were at fault. But you happened to be at the center of it, and keeping you away from the chat was the most efficient means to end it
[1:02 AM] resnanm: Sure
[1:02 AM] resnanm: I agree
[1:06 AM] Sascha: anyway, I would like to get this wrapped up soon.
I would once more like to suggest to you to
-rather walk away from arguments than keep fighting back, especially if it's clear that there's no point in it anyway
-make your own community with those other people who dislike this one
[1:07 AM] resnanm: Ok those are valid suggestions and I will follow them
[1:07 AM] Sascha: with that said, I am going to unblock you if you're ready
[1:07 AM] resnanm: Could you please, before I go, talk to people in main maybe just saying try not to harass people and be respectful?
[1:07 AM] Sascha: I have nothing left to say, any other @Mod?
[1:07 AM] resnanm: And yes i think I'm ready to improve how I have been reacting here
[1:09 AM] Slorany: Don't have anything else, no
[1:09 AM] Sascha: Unblocking you