<camerongray> So it's just for gaming?
<guest_18> But I also cant use TOO much money on it, being 15 doesn't make me rich. Yes, it's just for gaming.
<camerongray> In that case I would seriously consider moving from the AMD FX platform to something like an Intel Core i5
<guest_18> Probably don't need 16gb of ram, but I also use alot of photoshop/adobe aftereffects.
<camerongray> The FX CPUs really aren't that good
<guest_18> I do not like the Intel processors.
<camerongray> why?
<guest_18> The new hyperthreading makes them drop frames every once in a while.
<camerongray> The FX is basically a hyperthreaded quad core, AMD just call it 8 core
<camerongray> Actually yeah, the i5 doesn't have hyperthreading
<guest_18> And a processor from AMD for like 1500kr (my currency) is nearly as good a Intel processor for 2500/3000 kr.
<camerongray> And i7 4670k is 1799kr
<camerongray> an*
<camerongray> And would be substantially better
<camerongray> You also don't need a RAM cooler
<guest_18> 1799? Are you sure?
<camerongray> http://www.komplett.no/k/ki.aspx?sku=780485
<guest_18> i5.
<camerongray> i5 is the best CPU for gaming
<guest_18> Why?
<camerongray> The i7 has hyperthreading which isn't used by many games at all
<camerongray> So an i5 and i7 are pretty much on par for games
<guest_18> So the Intel Core i5 is better than the AMD FX?
<camerongray> I'd say so yeah
<db100547> guest_18: overall yes , but not generally for mainly gaming use .
<camerongray> Maybe in some tasks that really use the 8 threads in the FX it may win, but for stuff like gaming the i5 wins by a mile
<camerongray> db100547: The i5 beats the FX for gaming too
<guest_18> Is it a noticeable difference?
<camerongray> I'd say so
<camerongray> Plus they use less power and produce less heat
<db100547> the intel is really a mixed applications processor , and thus is in a lot of business pc's .
<db100547> depends uopn the game ,. and how it is written .
<guest_18> But this means I will have to get a new motherboard aswell.
<camerongray> db100547: The FX has terrible single thread performance and is really inefficient, the i5 has much more powerful cores so wins for stuff like gaming that isn't super multithreaded
<db100547> go for the amd one then , if gaming is your main usage of the pc
<camerongray> db100547: That is not true
<guest_18> Gaming is the main usage, yes.
<camerongray> guest_18: Yeah, but ASUS do an almost identical board for the Intel platform
<db100547> AMD then
<camerongray> db100547: Seriously. This is getting annoying
<guest_18> Just looked at some scores.
<guest_18> The i7-3770k got a 7.55, while the i5 4670k for a 6.15.
<guest_18> The amd FX 8350 got a 6.91.
<camerongray> For a benchmark yes as that uses the extra cores
<camerongray> But gaming doesn't do that, it relies on each core being more powerful
<camerongray> And the Intel cores are substantially more powerful
<db100547> scores like that can be decieving as it depends upon how the test program was written .
<camerongray> You also don't need that RAM cooler which makes up the difference in price between the CPUs
<db100547> and  'who paid' for the tests .
<guest_18> Ram cooler.
<guest_18> That's the.. Kingston HyperX?
<camerongray> Yeah
<camerongray> The blue thing
<guest_18> Alright then.
<camerongray> db100547: Have you owned both an AMD FX CPU and a modern gen Intel CPU and used them in your main PC for a huge variety of tasks?
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<guest_18> I7 vs I5, who wins for gaming? Does hyperthreading make a huge difference?
<camerongray> guest_18: Almost none at all
<db100547> it does when running many programs at once .
<guest_18> Great, because I want the best. You have to admit, I7 sounds better than I5.
<camerongray> guest_18: If you do really big things like rendering huge videos then you may want to consider the i7 for a small boost, but the i5 is fine for gaming
<guest_18> ; s
<guest_18> But I need the fps.
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<guest_18> i7 4770k vs i5 4670k
<db100547> for games usage , there will be little difference in performance between I7 and I5 .
<camerongray> For framerate in games, the i7 will make no real difference
<guest_18> It just sounds.. better.
<guest_18> But isnt really?
<camerongray> Not for gaming
<guest_18> Interesting.
<guest_18> But it's not worse either?
<camerongray> Nah, they will basically be the same
<guest_18> Alright.
<guest_18> So, I need a motherboard.
<guest_18> How about the Asus z87 deluxe?
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<camerongray> That's a decent board yeah
<guest_18> So the total just increased by 2000kr.
<guest_18> Lmao
<guest_18> Alright then.
<camerongray> Shouldn't have :P
<db100547> both ASUS and GIGABYTE arew the best mobo's
<guest_18> On to the MSI Geforce GTX 760 2GB.
<guest_18> Pci Express 3.0, does It match the motherboard?
<camerongray> Yeah
<db100547> yep, thats ok
<camerongray> Oh, the 760 is great, but I;d get a brand other than MSI
<camerongray> For video cards, Gigabyte, ASUS, XFX, EVGA are good
<db100547> check mobo specs before you do ANY buy
<guest_18> Why so?
<guest_18> Mobo specs?
<camerongray> db100547: I have checked the specs!
<camerongray> guest_18: MSI is a more budget brand
<guest_18> Right.
<db100547> specifications . to make sure it will take the add-ons you propose to use.
<guest_18> Alright then.
<camerongray> They have been better in recent years but aren't known for reliability
<guest_18> How about
<guest_18> http://www.komplett.no/k/ki.aspx?sku=793173
<guest_18> This one?
<camerongray> That would be good
<camerongray> For future expansion you may want to consider a 650w PSU
<guest_18> Oh <censored>
<camerongray> The one you have will do for now, but you may want to add more parts in the future
<guest_18> Didn't I include one?
<guest_18> Oh I did.
<camerongray> Yeah
<db100547> yep , nothing wrong with that EVGA are one of the better inplementtions of Nvidia chip sets .
<guest_18> I need a cpu cooler, right?
<guest_18> <censored>, I need a new one.
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<guest_37> I got kicked : s
<db100547> To be safe , yes .    Intensive games cause the cpu to get hotter .
<camerongray> guest_37: Yeah, don't swear again or it will ban you
<Quantos> You need to watch your language
<guest_37> The cooler I chose was for a Am2/Am3 one.
<camerongray> guest_37: It fits 1150 too so that's fine
<guest_67> Hi.  I was here before, but i forget what my number was
<camerongray> Will come with brackets for AMD and Intel in the box
<db100547> you need a cpu  cooler that is specified for the cpu .
<guest_37> The ram, does it fit the motherboard?
<camerongray> Yep
<camerongray> Very good RAM to
<guest_37> 1600 mhz, is that good enough?
<camerongray> too*
<camerongray> Yeah
<db100547> it has to fit the mobo slots .
<db100547> yes
<camerongray> db100547: Which I've already checked!
<guest_37> How about my SSD?
<guest_37> And Harddrive?
<camerongray> Both are good
<db100547> Hard drive , preferenace
<guest_37> Alright.
<camerongray> I personally use Samsung SSDs but Kingston are fine too
<guest_37> I didn't want a TOO expensive one.
<guest_37> Btw,
<camerongray> May want to consider a Samsung 840 though as it's a better controller
<guest_37> How do I boot my operative system on an SSD?
<camerongray> You just install the OS on the SSD when you are installing
<db100547> preferancwe would be Seagate .  SSD , ,  there is not really , now they have settled down , a lot of difference.
<camerongray> db100547: There is a big difference between SSDs
<camerongray> The SSD will then become drive C:
<guest_37> Oh <censored>.
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<camerongray> :(
<db100547> install it onto the SSD . rthere are details of 'how' id you google that .
<Quantos> He was suitably warned
<camerongray> db100547: Thanks for the nice butting in on that btw
<db100547> true .
<camerongray> Not at all confusing them between AMD and Intel
<db100547> ok   his loss .
<db100547> *BBL*
<camerongray> That got *really* annoying
<guest_67> Does anybody here know anything about Wi-fi settings for a netbook?
<camerongray> db100547: I have owned both AMD FX CPUs and Intel CPUs (Currently on an Ivy Bridge i7) - I have also built and tested a lot of gaming PCs build around those different platforms, I would really appreciate that when I am helping someone you don't butt in and contradict/repeat what I am saying at every possible opportunity.  Thanks.