#golemquest log Jan. 11

[2012-01-11 00:00:04] <BUTTZ> That would suck
[2012-01-11 00:00:21] <BUTTZ> I once rennovated a house previously owned by a catlady
[2012-01-11 00:00:27] <Abeo> oh god
[2012-01-11 00:00:29] <PriceisMagic> ugh
[2012-01-11 00:00:30] <BUTTZ> Yeah
[2012-01-11 00:00:45] <BUTTZ> Had to replace all the subflooring in the rooms where cats had been allowed
[2012-01-11 00:00:51] <Abeo> Worst I ever did was reinsulate an attic that had had rats in it
[2012-01-11 00:00:52] <BUTTZ> It was rank
[2012-01-11 00:00:55] <PriceisMagic> How many dead cats did you find?
[2012-01-11 00:01:04] <BUTTZ> None
[2012-01-11 00:01:11] <PriceisMagic> Lucky you
[2012-01-11 00:01:11] <BUTTZ> She was only in there a couple of years
[2012-01-11 00:01:44] <Abeo> And we took half the roof of for unrelated work, so it wasn't that bad
[2012-01-11 00:04:12] <Abeo> So, does Sake hate cats? Or just loves tormenting them?
[2012-01-11 00:04:27] <BUTTZ> The latter I think?
[2012-01-11 00:04:46] <BUTTZ> He had to promise to Armas to not put them in places they couldn't get down from on their own
[2012-01-11 00:05:12] <Abeo> No skyscraper cats then?
[2012-01-11 00:05:14] <Abeo> Too bad.
[2012-01-11 00:06:25] <Gunpowder_Symphony> A cat can techically get down on its own from a mile up in midair by falling...
[2012-01-11 00:06:44] <BUTTZ> The other part of that was a promise to not hurt the cats.
[2012-01-11 00:06:56] <BUTTZ> So the cats have to legitimately be able to climb down on their own
[2012-01-11 00:07:37] <Abeo> Luckily, many domesticated cats are pussies and will just complain loudly until someone comes to help or they get hungry
[2012-01-11 00:08:26] <PriceisMagic> Its the ones who aren't you gotta watch out for
[2012-01-11 00:17:20] <Bob> 2Did I say update?
[2012-01-11 00:17:24] <Bob> 2I updated just now.
[2012-01-11 00:17:41] <PriceisMagic> Awesome
[2012-01-11 00:17:41] <Bob> 2Still reading through IRC backlog, very high, not sure if I said it.
[2012-01-11 00:18:11] <Bob> 2And thermal goggles that would let Sake know the relative temperatures of given sections of air currents would be VERY handy, actually.
[2012-01-11 00:18:24] <Arkeus> mmmh, still no R upgrade it seems ;_;
[2012-01-11 00:18:56] <BUTTZ> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RLKBvZsvGQ&feature=endscreen&NR=1
[2012-01-11 00:18:57] <Classhole> BUTTZ: Ovi ljudi definitivno nisu normalni - length 1m 19s - rated 4.66/5.0 (94) - 77912 views - XSnole on 2011.02.04
[2012-01-11 00:19:24] <Bob> 2Oh that
[2012-01-11 00:19:26] <Bob> 2I love that
[2012-01-11 00:19:30] <Bob> 2FUS RO DAH
[2012-01-11 00:24:56] <Bob> 2http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7GtUakeOck
[2012-01-11 00:24:57] <Classhole> Bob: Impressions by Isaac - length 7m 15s - rated 4.94/5.0 (5625) - 3683 views - Imagineer50th on 2009.11.04
[2012-01-11 00:25:15] <PriceisMagic> (Boss merc:) "Anyone else need a fresh change of underpants?
[2012-01-11 00:25:25] <PriceisMagic> (Boss merc: )*
[2012-01-11 00:25:31] <Shifter19> Best use for foam pellet bags.
[2012-01-11 00:26:00] <PriceisMagic> I also want to see their reaction when they realized we nicked off with some of their shit
[2012-01-11 00:26:30] <Ironybot> I don't think any of it was actually theirs; they just claimed it from the bodies.
[2012-01-11 00:26:38] <PriceisMagic> Still
[2012-01-11 00:26:42] <Arkeus> I am unsure nicking what they possibly were after was a wise move, however
[2012-01-11 00:26:55] <PriceisMagic> They were after the heads
[2012-01-11 00:27:15] <Shot__> Dem bottles, definitely need Amen to peek at some.
[2012-01-11 00:28:57] <PriceisMagic> Well I'm off, bye
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[2012-01-11 00:31:12] <Bob> 2http://images.4chan.org/tg/src/1326260056574.gif
[2012-01-11 00:34:57] <Abeo> I wouldn't mess with Edward.
[2012-01-11 00:39:26] <Ironybot> So. We have Amorphous Soul, right, and the problem with it is that our soul shapes itself too easily to what we want. If we try to order it to resume a shape/setting it's already been in- say, one that we've moved it into with Lordly Imposition- there should be less danger, right? Since we know that particular soul state is normal+memetic emissions.
[2012-01-11 00:39:48] <Ironybot> Does this logic hold together, fellow IRC peoples?
[2012-01-11 00:40:16] <Arkeus>  possibly
[2012-01-11 00:40:32] <Ironybot> Because if it does, then we should be able to learn ourselves some soul mask shapes just by using Lordly Imposition to create a sort of template which we then copy with Amorphous Soul.
[2012-01-11 00:40:47] <Arkeus> Though i feel that you should have Armas practicing on 'memorizing' the feel of what happens ona specific instance of use with the work around first
[2012-01-11 00:40:58] <Ironybot> Which conveniently should require much less concentration to use.
[2012-01-11 00:41:04] <Arkeus> yeah
[2012-01-11 00:41:35] <Ironybot> Problem with memorizing the workaround is, maintaining it at all requires a ton of mental conventation.
[2012-01-11 00:41:39] <Ironybot> Concentration.
[2012-01-11 00:41:49] <Abeo> A more dangerous thought: if soul sensing is a quality of a soul we could use our Lordly Imposition to make our soul a soul better at sensing souls
[2012-01-11 00:41:54] <Ironybot> Maybe we can use accelerated thought to both maintain it and examine the input.
[2012-01-11 00:42:30] <Abeo> but that's getting into legitimate soul-sculpting teritory
[2012-01-11 00:42:32] <Ironybot> I don't really want to actually shape our own soul with Lordly Imposition. That's just like shaping it with Amorphous Soul only not as good.
[2012-01-11 00:43:11] <Abeo> Agreed.
[2012-01-11 00:43:43] <Ironybot> Anyway. Something to think on, I guess. I need sleep for now. Will contemplate where to move to next.
[2012-01-11 00:44:20] <Ironybot> Hopefully we'll be able to work out a proper workaround to get our soul mask up and running before too much longer, because effective as having Sake face for us was this time around I wouldn't want to do it all the time.
[2012-01-11 00:45:56] <Abeo> Thought: fleshcrafters can give themselves magical, reversible, vasectomies.
[2012-01-11 00:50:05] <BUTTZ> Abeo that's only the tip of the iceberg for stuff fleshcrafters can do
[2012-01-11 00:51:02] <MrTT> bob, those creatures that were being hunted, the free agent poachers. were any of them magical? they are cutting off heads for a bounty which suggests they are going to leave the bodies behind
[2012-01-11 00:51:24] <MrTT> probably not magical though, highly unlikely they would have left such corpses behind
[2012-01-11 00:51:30] <BUTTZ> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jRBlJqcoGA&feature=related
[2012-01-11 00:51:31] <Classhole> BUTTZ: skrivena kamera frizer - length 2m 6s - rated 4.86/5.0 (88) - 219562 views - milanzix on 2009.07.18
[2012-01-11 00:51:38] <BUTTZ> Armas must do this, or something like it
[2012-01-11 00:51:52] <BUTTZ> It's a no-magic troll
[2012-01-11 00:52:56] <Bob> 2None of them held bloodlines if that is what you meant
[2012-01-11 00:53:17] <MrTT> it is bob
[2012-01-11 00:53:23] <MrTT> that or if any was an elf or the like
[2012-01-11 00:53:28] <MrTT> non human
[2012-01-11 01:00:28] <MrTT> so... is drinking the blood of an elf the way someone starts a new vampire clan?
[2012-01-11 01:01:00] <Gunpowder_Symphony> Anything that involves a dead elf is a good start to anything.
[2012-01-11 01:01:20] <MrTT> lol
[2012-01-11 01:01:23] <BUTTZ> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=JKKSV3_CjPg
[2012-01-11 01:01:24] <Classhole> BUTTZ: The Radical - length 2m 24s - rated 3.19/5.0 (318) - 551888 views - onlyokaylooking on 2009.09.30
[2012-01-11 01:02:39] <BUTTZ> It's a guy dancing
[2012-01-11 01:03:07] <BUTTZ> He's dancing and leaping and gamboling down the street
[2012-01-11 01:03:20] <BUTTZ> Luckily there's a censor blur over his dong
[2012-01-11 01:06:07] <BUTTZ> Shit you know what Armas needs to do? Go to a fashion show and have SB make the runway slippery
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[2012-01-11 01:08:31] <Bob> 2you mean Sake just use trip magic
[2012-01-11 01:09:14] <BUTTZ> Well we don't want them to actually fall, we want them to *nearly* fall
[2012-01-11 01:09:56] <Bob> 2EYE-RON-MAN http://files.g4tv.com/ImageDb3/290353_S/best-iron-man-cosplayer-ever.jpg
[2012-01-11 01:10:32] <BUTTZ> Wow that costume is amazing
[2012-01-11 01:10:48] <BUTTZ> But uh, did he crap his pants or something?
[2012-01-11 01:11:59] <Bob> 2Okay, time for some Arkham City funtimes-or maybe portal
[2012-01-11 01:12:02] <Bob> 2either way-good night
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[2012-01-11 01:12:59] <BUTTZ> http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=lIQ-CDzSozA
[2012-01-11 01:12:59] <Classhole> BUTTZ: skrivena kamera Hulk - length 1m 31s - rated 5.00/5.0 (14) - 12429 views - milanXXXtasic on 2011.05.31
[2012-01-11 01:14:58] <BUTTZ> Ok this is just fantastic in its simplicity: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMOzSQge81Y&feature=related
[2012-01-11 01:14:59] <Classhole> BUTTZ: Pokretne stepenice - SMIJESNO - length 1m 23s - rated 5.00/5.0 (6) - 11806 views - midzan21 on 2011.09.13
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[2012-01-11 01:46:54] <Gunpowder_Symphony> http://i.imgur.com/gv8F9.jpg
[2012-01-11 01:47:24] <Gunpowder_Symphony> Cooking bacon with a machinegun.
[2012-01-11 01:47:27] <Gunpowder_Symphony> Absolutely glorious.
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[2012-01-11 02:02:20] <BUTTZ> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKzXGTrfX-Y&feature=related
[2012-01-11 02:02:21] <Classhole> BUTTZ: MOST REALISTIC FIGHT SCENE EVER ! - length 1m 35s - rated 4.44/5.0 (307) - 95969 views - 13AJJONES on 2010.12.21
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[2012-01-11 02:18:33] <Shot__> >You got a lot of guts, Oscar!
[2012-01-11 02:18:35] <Shot__> :|
[2012-01-11 02:20:16] <BUTTZ> It was an amazing fight
[2012-01-11 02:32:24] <BUTTZ> http://notalwaysright.com/you-bite-it-you-buy-it/11963
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[2012-01-11 02:55:42] <BUTTZ> One more: http://notalwaysright.com/it-almost-never-hurts-to-check/748
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[2012-01-11 03:11:28] <BUTTZ> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFyhlZiBc-Q&feature=relmfu
[2012-01-11 03:11:29] <Classhole> BUTTZ: Police: Russian Man Kept, Dressed 29 Bodies - length 56s - rated 5.00/5.0 (25) - 20051 views - AssociatedPress on 2011.11.08
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[2012-01-11 09:02:39] <Arkeus> Dkay_: dl soon, will delete soon
[2012-01-11 09:03:33] <Arkeus> hey Ironybot
[2012-01-11 09:03:38] <Arkeus> you have this morning's log?
[2012-01-11 09:03:56] <Ironybot> Hey. And not for the last... six hours or so.
[2012-01-11 09:04:11] <WaryObserver> Itsaconspiracy.jpg
[2012-01-11 09:04:16] <Dkay_> I already did
[2012-01-11 09:05:54] <Arkeus> Ironybot: can you still send the ones after: [11-01-2012 | 08:02:47] <BUTTZ> It's a guy dancing
[2012-01-11 09:05:54] <Arkeus> [11-01-2012 | 08:03:15] <BUTTZ> He's dancing and leaping and gamboling down the street
[2012-01-11 09:05:54] <Arkeus> [11-01-2012 | 08:03:28] <BUTTZ> Luckily there's a censor blur over his dong
[2012-01-11 09:05:54] <Arkeus> [11-01-2012 | 08:05:11] <BUTTZ> Shit you know what Armas needs to do? Go to a fashion show and have SB make the runway slippery
[2012-01-11 09:06:04] <Arkeus> or were you gone already?
[2012-01-11 09:12:31] <Ironybot> I don't have much after that. http://pastebin.com/k259F3gH
[2012-01-11 09:17:27] <Arkeus> thks
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[2012-01-11 11:57:04] * slimer slimes IRC
[2012-01-11 11:57:30] <Sungazer> O wo
[2012-01-11 11:59:21] <slimer> If only there was someone you could call about this.
[2012-01-11 12:00:00] <WaryObserver> ...The Wu-tang clan?
[2012-01-11 12:00:36] <Arkeus> slimer: tell bob that HxH chapter is out
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[2012-01-11 12:01:30] <Arkeus> hey BigSister
[2012-01-11 12:01:45] <BigSister> sup
[2012-01-11 12:02:31] <slimer> Yeah, I think bob already read it and wants them to get on with Gon's healing and stop blueballing already.
[2012-01-11 12:02:56] <Arkeus> They liks blueballing a bit much, yeah
[2012-01-11 12:03:08] <Arkeus> Hopefully it will be up in the next couple of chapters
[2012-01-11 12:03:15] <Arkeus> Like the R trait, right?
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[2012-01-11 12:04:55] <Arkeus> i found it interesting how the 2nd star is awared
[2012-01-11 12:05:02] <Moralfag> That's better!
[2012-01-11 12:05:03] <Arkeus> oh Moralfag is Sungazer
[2012-01-11 12:05:08] <Moralfag> Yeah.
[2012-01-11 12:05:27] <Moralfag> Is a name I use on a channel totally unrelated to TG.
[2012-01-11 12:05:46] <BigSister> Check this out guys: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa_NC-_fvKs
[2012-01-11 12:05:46] <Classhole> BigSister: WASP Injection Knife vs. Watermelon - length 47s - rated 4.14/5.0 (915) - 2415852 views - WaspKnife on 2008.07.13
[2012-01-11 12:06:09] <Moralfag> ... Hrm. Maybe not TOTALLY unrelated, depending on if I ever make my own quest.
[2012-01-11 12:06:46] <Arkeus> http://www.batoto.net/read/_/76061/zettai-karen-children_ch287_by_imperial-scans/17 happiness
[2012-01-11 12:07:34] <Arkeus> http://www.megaupload.com/?d=IWYWXQ6N Dkay_, january logs
[2012-01-11 12:09:33] <Arkeus> I was thinking about the Aztec/Japan stuff
[2012-01-11 12:09:42] <Arkeus> And i am more inching toward Japan, i think
[2012-01-11 12:10:26] <WaryObserver> Why not do both?
[2012-01-11 12:10:39] <slimer> http://images.4chan.org/tg/src/1326271939173.jpg
[2012-01-11 12:10:45] <Moralfag> Your mom is both.
[2012-01-11 12:10:49] <Arkeus> As it would give an opportunity for Armas to stay 'behind the scenes' as well as maybe stay humane, while Aztec would probably force Armas to go full on 'Evil' Godling and a flat out 'leader'
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[2012-01-11 12:13:38] <slimer> Today's evil would probably still qualify as a good samaritan in the Aztec areas.  I mean, daily blood sacrifices of enemies when they have them, their own when they don't-they kill losing teams in their most popular sport as a motivator to win......
[2012-01-11 12:14:23] <slimer> Now, VAMPIRES though-the Aztecs did not like one bit.  Fuckers taking the blood they need for sacrifices
[2012-01-11 12:14:27] <slimer> what assholes.
[2012-01-11 12:14:34] <Moralfag> Lol Slimer.
[2012-01-11 12:14:42] <Arkeus> Yeah, which is why while it would make it DAMN easy for Armas to amass power (if he survives), it would also make it ioncredibly hard for him not to go full on evil
[2012-01-11 12:14:50] <Moralfag> Yay for blue and orange morality?
[2012-01-11 12:14:52] <Arkeus> lol bob
[2012-01-11 12:15:00] <Arkeus> http://i.minus.com/imDj2vO7d1qzJ.png <= i liked that part bob
[2012-01-11 12:15:48] <slimer> I think you misunderstandL I mean in that they wouldn't care-you would neither impress or insult them by sinking to their brand of depravity.
[2012-01-11 12:16:12] <Arkeus> It's not about them caring
[2012-01-11 12:16:19] <Arkeus> It's about Armas taking them as role models
[2012-01-11 12:19:29] <Arkeus> I mean, it would be damn hard for Armas NOT to use all those sacrifices to amass power
[2012-01-11 12:20:06] <Moralfag> You kids today with your satanic sacrifices for power and your blood pacts with ancient eldritch monsters.
[2012-01-11 12:20:24] <Moralfag> Why, in my day, we had to walk fifty miles uphill in the snow to kill a couple of rats for XP!
[2012-01-11 12:20:31] <slimer> Ah, you are expecting some sort of golden age civilization they sustained through their depravity, that Armas will want to replicate?  I would think the knowledge that what they adhere to completely collapses without sufficient Divine backing would be enough for Armas to go 'eh... that's not gonna work.'
[2012-01-11 12:21:36] <Arkeus> slimer: no, i am expecting Armas to go on a 'wow, free souls' spree
[2012-01-11 12:21:54] <Arkeus> and get used to helping the Aztec's out and geting more souls/body to eat
[2012-01-11 12:21:58] <slimer> You young whippersnappers and your namby-pamby 'Satanic Sacrifices'.  You all dress up in robes and kill a chicken or some other voodoo hogwash-back in MY day, we did a sacrific a day per town per temple, and don't even get me started on sports-we KNEW how to motivate back then!'
[2012-01-11 12:22:11] <Moralfag> XD
[2012-01-11 12:22:17] <Arkeus> wow
[2012-01-11 12:22:20] <slimer> So Arkeus
[2012-01-11 12:22:22] <Moralfag> Good one, Slimer.
[2012-01-11 12:22:24] <Arkeus> i would like to sacrifice days
[2012-01-11 12:22:26] <Arkeus> hwo do you do that?
[2012-01-11 12:22:46] <Moralfag> A sacrifice a day, Arkeus.
[2012-01-11 12:22:52] <slimer> in the Aztec/Mayan/etc. communities, do you think they had not incorperated the souls of sacrifices into their plans?
[2012-01-11 12:22:54] <Moralfag> Literacy, learn some.
[2012-01-11 12:22:56] <Arkeus> Moralfag: i am being a jackass
[2012-01-11 12:23:00] <Moralfag> Lol..
[2012-01-11 12:24:32] <Arkeus> bob: i am thinking that Armas would succeed rather easily in some souls for himself while he is there
[2012-01-11 12:24:39] <Arkeus> Either by payments for help or whatever
[2012-01-11 12:24:59] <Arkeus> 'in getting some'
[2012-01-11 12:26:16] <slimer> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-x8t0JOnVw
[2012-01-11 12:26:17] <Classhole> slimer: Sh*t Nobody Says - length 1m 10s - rated 4.68/5.0 (1207) - 303 views - dontbethatguyfilms on 2012.01.11
[2012-01-11 12:26:53] <BigSister> Hmm...I'll go dig up my History books
[2012-01-11 12:27:05] <slimer> http://i.imgur.com/T0cZx.jpg
[2012-01-11 12:27:45] <Arkeus> lol niec vid
[2012-01-11 12:28:17] <Arkeus> http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php in love
[2012-01-11 12:28:24] <slimer> Ice rabbit http://i.imgur.com/1ZRqc.jpg
[2012-01-11 12:28:28] <slimer> Ball of fur
[2012-01-11 12:28:44] <Arkeus> Mmmmh
[2012-01-11 12:29:06] <Arkeus> Anyway, thinking both Aztec and Japan would be a fun 'sidequest' no matter which we go to
[2012-01-11 12:29:20] <Arkeus> Also, mean bob for not giving R upgrade
[2012-01-11 12:29:36] <slimer> A redditor's work making hobo nickels http://i.imgur.com/iajqC.jpg
[2012-01-11 12:29:59] <slimer> That wasn't a rationalization, that was 'oh yeah, these fucks have been on the news'
[2012-01-11 12:30:21] <Arkeus> Well sure, but there have been a few since then
[2012-01-11 12:30:26] <Arkeus> or almost a few
[2012-01-11 12:30:36] <Arkeus> nice nickels
[2012-01-11 12:31:11] <slimer> Have SB do this to every single face on every single coin you put in your pockets: http://imgur.com/ahckP
[2012-01-11 12:31:55] <Arkeus> Heheheh
[2012-01-11 12:32:06] <slimer> http://jhmas.oxfordjournals.org/content/47/1/49.extract
[2012-01-11 12:32:20] <slimer> >In civil war, fairly well-followed code of honor prevented shooting any man while he was pooping.
[2012-01-11 12:32:26] <slimer> ....You know I can support that rule.
[2012-01-11 12:32:29] <Arkeus> so bob, i seem to remember you saying Armas could have gotten a lvl7 trait by going to the valkonens
[2012-01-11 12:32:30] <slimer> If I'm gonna die
[2012-01-11 12:32:34] <slimer> let me finish pulling my pants up
[2012-01-11 12:32:35] <Arkeus> is it my mind playing tick on me?
[2012-01-11 12:32:47] <Arkeus> lol bob
[2012-01-11 12:33:03] <slimer> No, that was a level seven regeneration if instead of finland you'd gone to New Zealand and completely focused on the Summer line.
[2012-01-11 12:33:44] <Arkeus> Regeneration? couldn't have been something else? or would it have had some lower levels other use?
[2012-01-11 12:33:45] <Arkeus> And, nice
[2012-01-11 12:34:00] <Arkeus> level 7 regeneration... that's far above lammy iirc?
[2012-01-11 12:34:07] <Arkeus> That would have made Armas quite the tank
[2012-01-11 12:34:29] <slimer> That would have made him a shitty shitty shitty deathless with one more rank.
[2012-01-11 12:34:49] <slimer> Still, having a body that damn near never stays down is pretty handy.
[2012-01-11 12:35:05] <Arkeus> iirc, once someone a 'less' he can't improve in that domain anymore?
[2012-01-11 12:35:12] <Arkeus> or is that only for soulless?
[2012-01-11 12:36:03] <Arkeus> becomes
[2012-01-11 12:39:19] <slimer> http://hackertyper.com/
[2012-01-11 12:39:22] <slimer> This is hilarious
[2012-01-11 12:39:44] <Arkeus> I seem to remember you saying stuff about a nice level if we get to the valkonen to though
[2012-01-11 12:39:48] <Arkeus> was it level 5?
[2012-01-11 12:41:18] <slimer> Nope, you're confusing Whaitiri and Valkonen-or I said something drunk that I do not recollect in the slightest.
[2012-01-11 12:41:36] <Arkeus> Well, i am remembering something siad when we were on the boat
[2012-01-11 12:42:02] <Arkeus> and you talking about what we could do if we killed everyone on the boat, or ran away with the kids, or...
[2012-01-11 12:42:07] <Arkeus> but the details are hazy
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[2012-01-11 13:00:22] <slimer> New Guy's still the only one to post a plan?
[2012-01-11 13:00:35] <Arkeus> It's... fairly early
[2012-01-11 13:01:03] <Arkeus> If you want i can try to post a suggestion early, but i am posting fairly useless stuff lately it seems
[2012-01-11 13:10:09] <Dkay_> Hey Arkeus, can I get January logs? Just finished reading the other file you gace me.
[2012-01-11 13:10:27] <Arkeus> [11-01 | 19:07:38] <Arkeus> http://www.megaupload.com/?d=IWYWXQ6N Dkay_, january logs
[2012-01-11 13:10:49] <Dkay_> thanks
[2012-01-11 13:11:16] <Dkay_> .... Damn, it say that it is "temporarily not availible"
[2012-01-11 13:11:20] <slimer> oh hey it's Dkay_
[2012-01-11 13:11:30] <Arkeus> try it our every so often
[2012-01-11 13:11:50] <Dkay_> Hey, slimer
[2012-01-11 13:11:53] <Dkay_> okay
[2012-01-11 13:11:57] <Arkeus> that's a bon
[2012-01-11 13:12:00] <Arkeus> bob
[2012-01-11 13:13:27] <Dkay_> Ah... you do keep changing your names often.
[2012-01-11 13:14:10] <slimer> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/10/rebecca-black-leaves-scho_n_923464.html
[2012-01-11 13:14:16] <slimer> I couldn't pass the ghostbusters reference
[2012-01-11 13:14:19] <slimer> I just couldn't
[2012-01-11 13:15:11] <Arkeus> heheh
[2012-01-11 13:15:21] <Arkeus> Rinne no lagrange is sort of fun
[2012-01-11 13:15:46] <Arkeus> oh, two new suggestions
[2012-01-11 13:15:46] <Arkeus> mmh
[2012-01-11 13:16:04] <Arkeus> Dkay_: i think it works now
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[2012-01-11 13:16:56] <Dkay_> not yet, but I'll keep trying
[2012-01-11 13:18:44] <slimer> Drive by the woman see what happens http://maps.google.com.br/maps?q=Rua+Flor-de-tipuana&ll=-19.870837%2C-43.989161&spn=0.005842%2C0.010568&safe=active&hnear=R.+Flor+de+Tipuana+-+Santa+Terezinha%2C+Belo+Horizonte+-+Minas+Gerais%2C+31340-040&gl=br&t=m&vpsrc=0&layer=c&cbll=-19.870353%2C-43.989455&panoid=nR2WeCl4vUMSVgoTZNgBMg&cbp=12%2C300.07%2C%2C0%2C5.13&z=17
[2012-01-11 13:20:28] <LittleSister> Oh god I lol'd
[2012-01-11 13:22:01] <slimer> Well this was well thought out http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-DNYc6rpnPZw/TleQEseqTQI/AAAAAAAAjAY/8dFXA0eYMDM/s1600/Ani+183.gif
[2012-01-11 13:22:39] <LittleSister> Oh bob stop it
[2012-01-11 13:22:40] <LittleSister> my sides
[2012-01-11 13:22:56] <Dkay_> I assume everyone has seen this but it is very relevant to that google earth link
[2012-01-11 13:22:57] <Dkay_> http://www.collegehumor.com/picture/5933475
[2012-01-11 13:23:28] <slimer> These people were handing out bootleg copies of Boardwalk Empire Season 1 out of the back of a 1920's car. http://i.imgur.com/1jApv.jpg
[2012-01-11 13:24:33] <slimer> http://i.imgur.com/HjhfP.jpg
[2012-01-11 13:29:43] <Dkay_> I half-want to suggest that armas finds an isolated tribe so that he can convert them to worshipping whaitiri but that would become a big distraction
[2012-01-11 13:31:04] <slimer> An amazing distraction, at that
[2012-01-11 13:32:00] <slimer> So this shitty heating repair company that was one of the ones that looked at my broken heater for an estimate is trying to charge me $148 for the initial 20 minute inspection.  Yes, I clearly believe that technician's time is worth 450/hr.
[2012-01-11 13:32:44] <slimer> Oh hey look the most abominable heels of all time http://i.imgur.com/ZCc5J.jpg
[2012-01-11 13:32:46] <Dkay_> These kind of businesses are complete rip-off
[2012-01-11 13:33:18] <slimer> Sad part is the technician's someone that went to the same high school as me
[2012-01-11 13:33:25] <slimer> kinda lame seeing him be a shyster now like that.
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[2012-01-11 13:33:38] <slimer> And yes, Shyster's one of the words that needs to make a comeback.
[2012-01-11 13:33:49] <LittleSister> Now that REALLY sucks
[2012-01-11 13:33:56] <slimer> There is no reason to use charlatan but not shyster.
[2012-01-11 13:35:08] <Dkay_> had to look that word up, though I almost guessed from the context
[2012-01-11 13:35:45] <slimer> It's a perfectly good word
[2012-01-11 13:35:50] <slimer> should get more use than it does.
[2012-01-11 13:37:50] <LittleSister> I feel tempted to have Armas pour the honey, sap, oil, nectar, blood and venom all over our naked body and walk into poaching guild or the Billabog Cove semi-naked
[2012-01-11 13:38:54] <slimer> That would... certainly be an entrance.
[2012-01-11 13:39:31] <Dkay_> I think we should feed that nectar to humminbro. I bet he would like that
[2012-01-11 13:41:46] <slimer> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2084764/Shrimp-lives-water-times-hotter-boiling-point.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
[2012-01-11 13:41:50] <slimer> New cooking challenge
[2012-01-11 13:42:02] <slimer> cook the shrimp that live and operate at and above the boiling point
[2012-01-11 13:42:12] <LittleSister> Why don't we have a cooking trait?
[2012-01-11 13:42:27] <slimer> Because you hardly ever do it
[2012-01-11 13:42:45] <slimer> notice how you only recently got shooting perks, despite spending decades on that.  How long have you been cooking?
[2012-01-11 13:42:54] <slimer> decade, not decades, rather.
[2012-01-11 13:43:12] <LittleSister> Once we get a cooking trait, Main Quest Story is gonna get derailed
[2012-01-11 13:44:11] <slimer> What would Dr. Seuss say as an IT man if his boss came up to him with a web activity report that was independently polled and asked 'so what's reddit, and how does it relate to work?'
[2012-01-11 13:44:18] <slimer> Well, that there IT guy was so smart and so slick
[2012-01-11 13:44:22] <SphinxWithASpear> What do you mean? Derailed! The iron chef route is the best end!
[2012-01-11 13:44:24] <slimer> he thought up a lie and he thought it up quick.
[2012-01-11 13:44:32] <slimer> "Now boss," the man said with a confident grin,
[2012-01-11 13:44:39] <slimer> "Reddit's an internet - 'web' - place wherein
[2012-01-11 13:44:45] <slimer> People in need may seek software solutions
[2012-01-11 13:44:52] <slimer> In the company of users with similar confusions
[2012-01-11 13:45:00] <slimer> And maybe, just maybe, a pun on the way
[2012-01-11 13:45:11] <slimer> Or a reference to Firefly may slip through the fray
[2012-01-11 13:45:18] <slimer> But oh, by and large it's a tech support forum
[2012-01-11 13:45:25] <slimer> So back to your office and leave my cube - gorram!"
[2012-01-11 13:45:30] <slimer> the end
[2012-01-11 13:45:48] <Dkay_> Did you make that up on the spot?
[2012-01-11 13:45:58] <LittleSister> Obviously.
[2012-01-11 13:45:59] <LittleSister> NOT.
[2012-01-11 13:46:19] <Dkay_> either way, impressive
[2012-01-11 13:46:31] <LittleSister> Ohey, Tim
[2012-01-11 13:46:35] <LittleSister> Is it Oyster Time?
[2012-01-11 13:47:13] <slimer> I rather clearly did not just make that up on the spot
[2012-01-11 13:47:14] <Dkay_> Bob, does one need indefication papers when buying ammo in Gun World? Could Russians buy it there without any problems?
[2012-01-11 13:47:35] <slimer> identification papers, you mean?
[2012-01-11 13:47:44] <Dkay_> yes
[2012-01-11 13:48:54] <slimer> You know, I'm not actually sure.  If anyone on IRC knows, it would be Guile or Gunpowder_Symphony.  The former actually has researched Istanbul's idiosyncracies more, I think, than the rest of the posters, and the latter is rather knowledgeable where weaponry's concerned, and I think he's mentioned looking into Gun World.
[2012-01-11 13:51:37] <Dkay_> Hmm, I wanted to suggest that Iosef spends a lot of time at the gun range but wanted him to pay for ammo he uses. I strongly suspect that one needs to show somekind of papers before being allowed to buy ammo.
[2012-01-11 13:52:18] <Dkay_> Also, can the Russians use the gun range that Amen had prepared for Armas not a while ago?
[2012-01-11 13:54:21] <slimer> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjcdwY41jJE
[2012-01-11 13:54:22] <Classhole> slimer: Weightless Cats!!! - length 33s - rated 4.74/5.0 (249) - 1105 views - okrajoe on 2011.12.24
[2012-01-11 13:54:58] <slimer> I don't see why they couldn't-the problem is that per your orders, they can't have Amen show them where it is without your explicit permission.
[2012-01-11 13:56:58] <Dkay_> I see, then he'll have to wait till Armas gets home since I doubt that most of the weapons we have are legal. Using them at Gun World could raise questions.
[2012-01-11 14:00:15] <SphinxWithASpear> ...Odd. I saw a reply to one of my quests, but it's gone now
[2012-01-11 14:01:23] <SphinxWithASpear> Perhaps the "should be easy to possess her while you are inside her" was not what the poster wanted to say?
[2012-01-11 14:11:32] <Ironybot> So on the Aztec thing, it was said in these logs somewhere that Armas wouldn't be that interested in their way of doing things after realizing that however awesome it is, it broke down and failed them without constant divine support. I would disagree somewhat.
[2012-01-11 14:12:50] <Ironybot> It was said that godlings can act as something like portable emergency generators for divinitech- meaning that while it might not be large scale applicable, Armas could just run divinitech items off himself.
[2012-01-11 14:13:41] <SphinxWithASpear> ...MEH
[2012-01-11 14:13:49] <SphinxWithASpear> MEH
[2012-01-11 14:13:54] <Ironybot> He doesn't need a god at all. And depending upon how much power things like that consume compared to the amount that he personally generates, he might well be able to equip his minions with gear which also runs off his personal power.
[2012-01-11 14:14:08] <LittleSister> I'll have to a shitload of research if we actually go for the Aztec route
[2012-01-11 14:14:24] <SphinxWithASpear> It seems less fun and more serious to me
[2012-01-11 14:14:42] <Ironybot> I don't have a problem with a bit of serious business.
[2012-01-11 14:14:51] <SphinxWithASpear> A bit
[2012-01-11 14:15:08] <SphinxWithASpear> Aztec thing will be the fate of nations
[2012-01-11 14:15:36] <Ironybot> You think we're not quietly determining the fate of nations and the lives of thousands while we're tooling around in Istanbul?
[2012-01-11 14:15:48] <SphinxWithASpear> Different
[2012-01-11 14:15:59] <SphinxWithASpear> The trip needs to be a change of pace
[2012-01-11 14:16:19] <SphinxWithASpear> That and the Aztec pantheon is ludicrously scary and nasty
[2012-01-11 14:16:31] <LittleSister> Not that nasty
[2012-01-11 14:16:44] <Ironybot> I would consider super-serious business to be a major change of pace. Honestly, running a mercenary company and being a mercenary at all is what Armas basically does for fun.
[2012-01-11 14:16:53] <SphinxWithASpear> tezcatlipoca
[2012-01-11 14:17:24] <Ironybot> He recruited all these Russians because he thought it would be cool to have minions; the whole company he's running is basically his hobby, like a really intricate toy.
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[2012-01-11 14:27:07] <SphinxWithASpear> His smile is too big
[2012-01-11 14:27:13] <SphinxWithASpear> For one thing
[2012-01-11 14:27:42] <SphinxWithASpear> The teeth which shine and say
[2012-01-11 14:27:43] <Ironybot> Were any interesting items brought up in the last ten minutes?
[2012-01-11 14:27:49] <SphinxWithASpear> "You are food"
[2012-01-11 14:28:35] <SphinxWithASpear> Quetza belief is godhood, but it has the price tag of not being Armas
[2012-01-11 14:29:06] <slimer> That Napolean may have invented 'Come at me Bro', but other than that not really.
[2012-01-11 14:29:07] <Conil> Oh.
[2012-01-11 14:29:36] <Ironybot> Please clarify how Quetza fits into that statement.
[2012-01-11 14:29:50] <SphinxWithASpear> It doesn't
[2012-01-11 14:29:58] <SphinxWithASpear> Wait
[2012-01-11 14:30:03] <SphinxWithASpear> What are you asking?
[2012-01-11 14:30:36] <Ironybot> This was said: [14:28]	<SphinxWithASpear>	Quetza belief is godhood, but it has the price tag of not being Armas
[2012-01-11 14:31:11] <SphinxWithASpear> As in, i'd make him a god, spesifically Quetzacotel
[2012-01-11 14:31:15] <Ironybot> Belief is godhood is a generally true statement based upon my understanding of universal mechanics. I thus figured that somehow "Quetza"->"not being Armas".
[2012-01-11 14:31:16] <SphinxWithASpear> It'd
[2012-01-11 14:31:22] <slimer> http://i.imgur.com/cCc3W.jpg
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[2012-01-11 14:32:37] <Ironybot> Ah. I think I overlooked some context there. The thought was that Armas could what, claim to be Quetzalcoatl or an incarnation thereof and thereby amass great quantities of divine energy harvested from belief in that god?
[2012-01-11 14:32:47] <SphinxWithASpear> Yes
[2012-01-11 14:32:57] <SphinxWithASpear> But, he would cease eventually to be Armas
[2012-01-11 14:33:15] <slimer> http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn10514-naturalborn-painkiller-found-in-human-saliva.html
[2012-01-11 14:33:16] <Ironybot> Isn't there going to be n actual Quetzalcoatl which already exists due to that Belief accumulating and making a god pop up?
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[2012-01-11 14:34:41] <SphinxWithASpear> Then, we have another problem
[2012-01-11 14:34:46] <Ironybot> I mean, you can't just claim to be a god and steal tons of Belief, because the Belief is already going to the god in question.
[2012-01-11 14:34:56] <SphinxWithASpear> Consider that Cortez did it
[2012-01-11 14:35:24] <Ironybot> Cortez did what, claim to be a god- generally or specifically?
[2012-01-11 14:35:36] <SphinxWithASpear> In Gfh, he won
[2012-01-11 14:35:44] <SphinxWithASpear> Did he not?
[2012-01-11 14:36:03] <SphinxWithASpear> Quetza did not smite him for impersonation
[2012-01-11 14:36:09] <Ironybot> Saying "?I'm a god, worship me" should work. Saying "I'm this specific god" only works if you've already ensured that the god you're claiming to be isn't around to stop you, which will generally require killing them.
[2012-01-11 14:36:25] <BigSister> Thing is
[2012-01-11 14:36:34] <BigSister> The Aztecs believed Cortes was Quetzacoatl
[2012-01-11 14:36:35] <Ironybot> So presumably, if he claimed to specifically be Quetzalcoatl, he'd already killed him to take his place.
[2012-01-11 14:36:51] <BigSister> And Cortes didn't speak nahuatl
[2012-01-11 14:38:41] <SphinxWithASpear> there was awar
[2012-01-11 14:38:49] <SphinxWithASpear> A war before he came
[2012-01-11 14:39:05] <SphinxWithASpear> Perhaps Quetza was weakened then
[2012-01-11 14:39:20] <BigSister> Godammit...wait a sec guys, lemme dig up my old history books
[2012-01-11 14:39:46] <Conil> Sphinx = Bob, or no?
[2012-01-11 14:39:54] <SphinxWithASpear> Ha
[2012-01-11 14:39:55] <SphinxWithASpear> No
[2012-01-11 14:39:58] <slimer> Cortez did in fact slay Quetzacoatl.
[2012-01-11 14:40:01] <SphinxWithASpear> I'm the mystic
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[2012-01-11 14:40:05] <BigSister> wat
[2012-01-11 14:40:16] <Bob> Also, back in a tick
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[2012-01-11 14:40:26] <Conil> What.
[2012-01-11 14:40:33] <SphinxWithASpear> :D
[2012-01-11 14:41:48] <Ironybot> Anyway. When it comes to hijacking Belief in order to become more powerful through divine energy, I'm more inclined to go the "son/chosen champion of X" route than the "I am X" route. There's more identity retention involved, then.
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[2012-01-11 14:42:08] <Bob> So anyway yeah Conil I was slimer
[2012-01-11 14:42:10] <Bob> Duh
[2012-01-11 14:42:16] <Conil> Oh.
[2012-01-11 14:42:21] <Conil> Ok.
[2012-01-11 14:42:36] <Ironybot> Plus assuming that we can get X to actually back us and support us in what we say, it should be relatively easy to rapidly gain Belief from their followers.
[2012-01-11 14:42:57] <Bob> And Cortez has a god slaying saber-hence how he killed a major god.  I mean yeah, took effort out the ass, but eh.
[2012-01-11 14:45:57] <SphinxWithASpear> Bob, would I be right that if we went Japan route, they would see him as a demon(in their and not the western sense)?
[2012-01-11 14:46:54] <Dkay_> Japan has billion gods. Can't he just pretend to be one?
[2012-01-11 14:47:09] <Ironybot> Wikipedia claims that "politeness in Aztec culture was a way to assert dominance and show superiority".
[2012-01-11 14:47:30] <Ironybot> That has... interesting implications for Armas.
[2012-01-11 14:47:50] <SphinxWithASpear> "That and being the one who has the sacrifical knife"
[2012-01-11 14:49:32] <Ironybot> Armas could quite literally cut out his own heart, offer it up as a sacrifice personally as a public spectacle while he has a gaping hole in his chest, and then die, stand up/heal, and stroll off whistling.
[2012-01-11 14:49:47] <Ironybot> The whole sacrifice thing takes on a slightly different tone for him in view of that.
[2012-01-11 14:51:34] <SphinxWithASpear> "I am my Altar, I am my Knife, I am my Sacrifice, Thus do I make this prayer to myself, Unending Flesh and Age"
[2012-01-11 14:51:41] <Dkay_> Btw, why are we so sure that Armas is going to be thrown into the past?
[2012-01-11 14:51:49] <BigSister> He will.
[2012-01-11 14:51:56] <Ironybot> Because Bob said so. He apparently likes the plotline.
[2012-01-11 14:51:59] <BigSister> But we're deciding Aztecs V.S. Feudal Japan
[2012-01-11 14:52:08] <Dkay_> Oh
[2012-01-11 14:52:17] <Dkay_> Did he say how it will happen?
[2012-01-11 14:52:23] <BigSister> Rabbit will give us the options
[2012-01-11 14:52:26] <Dkay_> and if Armas is getting back
[2012-01-11 14:52:32] <BigSister> Of course we will
[2012-01-11 14:52:35] <Dkay_> cool
[2012-01-11 14:52:38] <Ironybot> I mean, it's not out of the question that Bob will decide to scrap the whole thing, but signs point to it happening right now.
[2012-01-11 14:52:58] <SphinxWithASpear> Hope we kill doony before that though
[2012-01-11 14:53:04] <BigSister> yep
[2012-01-11 14:54:01] <BUTTZ> Honestly I'd have prefered to have gotten a chance to meet Saint Cupertino
[2012-01-11 14:54:05] <BUTTZ> He's the flying saint
[2012-01-11 14:54:30] <BUTTZ> Literally, he'd get so worked up he'd fly into the air and it took his superiors directly ordering him to quit it to get him to land
[2012-01-11 14:54:44] <Ironybot> Wikipedia saith: "He was said to have been remarkably unclever, but prone to miraculous levitation and intense ecstatic visions that left him gaping."
[2012-01-11 14:54:57] <Ironybot> "In turn, he is recognized as the patron saint of air travelers, aviators, astronauts, people with a mental handicap, test takers, and poor students."
[2012-01-11 14:55:07] <Ironybot> Armas is all about the patron saint of poor students.
[2012-01-11 14:55:13] <BUTTZ> Yeah
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[2012-01-11 15:00:52] <Bob> Dkay_ jist is that there are quite a few ways that fighting the Yakuza can result in someone trying to time-lock Armas to get him out of the way.  Rabbit will interfere, and offer an alternative to being flung to the casters past-so you get, Japan at some time, or the Americas just before Cortez
[2012-01-11 15:02:06] <Dkay_> Oh, I see
[2012-01-11 15:02:23] <Bob> Ironybot, If Armas would sacrifice his own heart to help power the Aztec stuff, I think that would immediately put you in the boat of 'Random guy walks into massive company as they're dealing with hacking and DDOS funtimes, and while there being obnoxious shoves the frantic people out of the way and fixes it by bleeding on the computers.
[2012-01-11 15:02:39] <Bob> So 'magic solves everything IT guy'
[2012-01-11 15:02:43] <Bob> a heavy mantle to bear
[2012-01-11 15:03:00] <SphinxWithASpear> So, we'd get fate worse than death
[2012-01-11 15:03:07] <Ironybot> ...work?
[2012-01-11 15:03:15] <SphinxWithASpear> Being repeditively harvested for our heart
[2012-01-11 15:03:18] <BUTTZ> StigmataSoft
[2012-01-11 15:03:20] <Bob> Remember, to them their IT techs are celebrities and politicians.
[2012-01-11 15:03:29] <Bob> They are revered, rather than just lusted after and needed.
[2012-01-11 15:03:52] <BUTTZ> And they have actual power
[2012-01-11 15:03:56] <SphinxWithASpear> Yeah, but will thier gods want a trickster or a battery?
[2012-01-11 15:04:00] <BUTTZ> had, at the time
[2012-01-11 15:04:24] <Bob> Also, the Aztec options means learning Aztec Divinitech-several of the larger working of which more or less survived to the present day
[2012-01-11 15:04:30] <Bob> Armas could then attempt to reactivate them
[2012-01-11 15:04:40] <SphinxWithASpear> what would we wake?
[2012-01-11 15:04:44] <SphinxWithASpear> Along with them
[2012-01-11 15:04:56] <Bob> It would probably be among his top three stupid ideas.
[2012-01-11 15:05:12] <Bob> But if you could survive the stupidity problems, there WOULD be much to gain
[2012-01-11 15:05:17] <SphinxWithASpear> Ok, it'd wake "bad things"
[2012-01-11 15:05:34] <BUTTZ> Seeing as how they had not run out of bodies to throw on the altar yet, and would not until the Spanish started helping the conquered peoples say "Fuck your shit, we don't want to be sacrificed and then eaten by your politicians and celebrities"
[2012-01-11 15:05:42] <Bob> like, say, transnational networks of divinitech meant to explore if real time travel was possible, not just dimension hopping.
[2012-01-11 15:05:49] <Ironybot> No matter how good Armas is with his cheat to win bullshit, he's no true replacement for an actual god paying attention. Not saying that things might get a little dicey in there for a while, but at the end of it the gods would want to go back to their jobs.
[2012-01-11 15:06:00] <Ironybot> And the associated kicking back.
[2012-01-11 15:06:24] <Ironybot> That things wouldn't get a little dicey. Excuse me.
[2012-01-11 15:06:26] <Bob> Yeah, the pre-god war New World was just about the cushiest predicament for a god to find itself in.
[2012-01-11 15:07:00] <BUTTZ> Armas being present might be enough to change the way things play out
[2012-01-11 15:07:07] <SphinxWithASpear> Everyone dies
[2012-01-11 15:07:10] <BUTTZ> I mean even he knows who Cortez is
[2012-01-11 15:07:21] <SphinxWithASpear> Rather than just the Aztecs, everyone dies
[2012-01-11 15:07:29] <BUTTZ> "The guy with the armor and funny hat that trolled the mexicans"
[2012-01-11 15:08:09] <BUTTZ> Hell, Armas could short-circuit history by just scuttling Cortez's fleet
[2012-01-11 15:08:26] <SphinxWithASpear> That dimention's history
[2012-01-11 15:08:29] <BUTTZ> Wouldn't be hard for him, since he's a stealth expert, he knows what gunpowder is, and he can fly short distances
[2012-01-11 15:08:29] <SphinxWithASpear> Or
[2012-01-11 15:08:45] <BUTTZ> Just set up the magazines to blow and fly away.
[2012-01-11 15:09:24] <SphinxWithASpear> Meh. Sole romp in fuedal japan sounds more fun than "usurp Aztec society"
[2012-01-11 15:09:36] <Ironybot> We don't really know what Cortex' army would have had by way of bloodline users. It seems like a fairly sure bet that the Aztecs weren't exactly lacking in magical power, even outside their gods, so the Spanish must have had enough prowess to counter it- Cortez himself being mundane notwithstanding.
[2012-01-11 15:10:07] <Bob> You mean 'walk across shadows on water on moonless night to ships' to avoid detection by all but the most sensitive of mortal magics
[2012-01-11 15:10:09] <SphinxWithASpear> ...I reckon armas would suffer badly being cut by a godkilling swor
[2012-01-11 15:10:13] <SphinxWithASpear> Sword
[2012-01-11 15:10:24] <Bob> if you're pulling a covert job, the less raw magic you use, the better-less you have to hide.
[2012-01-11 15:10:28] <BUTTZ> The Spanish had good luck on their side too
[2012-01-11 15:10:29] <Ironybot> It nothing else, Cortez being loaded down with charms and enchanted items means that the Spanish had some badass enchanters equipping their men.
[2012-01-11 15:11:13] <BUTTZ> They showed up from the right direction, during the year an ostracized god with white skin was supposed to return, and Cortez picked up on that
[2012-01-11 15:11:47] <BUTTZ> Plus tall ships look impressive if you've only ever seen canoes on the water
[2012-01-11 15:12:11] <BigSister> Hey. The wooden war-clubs with obsidian blades were reported to decapitate a warhorse in a single blow
[2012-01-11 15:12:24] <Bob> Cortez had: enchanted steel breastplate, enchanted steel conquistador helm, enchanted steel lobster gloves, a full set of ten enchanted ring charms, twelve amulet charms that are themselves hung on an enchanted necklace, and his god-slaying sword.
[2012-01-11 15:12:37] <BigSister> Pimpin'
[2012-01-11 15:13:22] <SphinxWithASpear> Yeah
[2012-01-11 15:13:26] <Bob> Cortez was: knowledgeable in the very rudimentary chakra understanding of europe at the time-effectively like an MMA fighter with a world class straight, but nothing else.  Beyond that, he had more combat experience than Camella, and was similarly a physical genius.
[2012-01-11 15:13:29] <SphinxWithASpear> Not fighting him
[2012-01-11 15:13:34] <SphinxWithASpear> Nope
[2012-01-11 15:13:38] <SphinxWithASpear> Do not want
[2012-01-11 15:13:44] <BigSister> Pffft
[2012-01-11 15:13:50] <BigSister> I really want to fight him
[2012-01-11 15:14:17] <BigSister> Something about changing an entire nations' history fuels that desire
[2012-01-11 15:14:19] <Bob> Among his charms are alarm and sensory ones that make attempts to assassinate him laughable.  Just an FYI
[2012-01-11 15:14:30] <BUTTZ> We're not going to assassinate him
[2012-01-11 15:14:35] <BUTTZ> We're going to sink his ships
[2012-01-11 15:14:39] <BigSister> Dude.
[2012-01-11 15:14:42] <SphinxWithASpear> Oh, Bob, if we grabbed Quetza's belief, would that put us in the line of fire of Tezcatlipoca?
[2012-01-11 15:14:42] <BUTTZ> What he does is secondary to that
[2012-01-11 15:14:43] <BigSister> Hernan cortes sank his own ships
[2012-01-11 15:14:55] <BigSister> To prevent his men from fleeing
[2012-01-11 15:14:56] <BUTTZ> Yeah but we're going to do it while he's still on them
[2012-01-11 15:15:11] <BUTTZ> Before they get a chance to unload anyway
[2012-01-11 15:15:23] <Bob> How would you grab Quetza's belief?  Cortez got it because he is supposed to, canonically, be accosted by Quetza while initially landing-and says fuck you and kills it.
[2012-01-11 15:15:40] <Bob> If Cortez does not do this, there is no belief vacuum to potentially step into
[2012-01-11 15:15:41] <SphinxWithASpear> Ha
[2012-01-11 15:15:46] <BigSister> ...
[2012-01-11 15:15:58] <BigSister> Bob, how long before Cortes' arrival will we arrive in?
[2012-01-11 15:16:04] <BigSister> And where?
[2012-01-11 15:16:05] <Bob> I will not tell
[2012-01-11 15:16:23] <BigSister> Fine >.<
[2012-01-11 15:17:17] <BigSister> What about Sake?
[2012-01-11 15:17:36] <SphinxWithASpear> Hmm... Wait, Fuedal japan... Sengoku period?
[2012-01-11 15:17:55] <SphinxWithASpear> Warring States?
[2012-01-11 15:21:41] <BUTTZ> Man if we got to bring Camella along we really could have that Camella vs Cortez fight
[2012-01-11 15:22:51] <BUTTZ> That'd be pretty awesome
[2012-01-11 15:23:15] <BUTTZ> "Rabbit, I'll take your gamble but I want to up the stakes and bring my friend Camella"
[2012-01-11 15:23:42] <SphinxWithASpear> Dood, way more awesome people to fight in warring states Japan
[2012-01-11 15:24:08] <BUTTZ> Sure, but, Camella vs Cortez!
[2012-01-11 15:24:52] <SphinxWithASpear> ...
[2012-01-11 15:25:00] * SphinxWithASpear sighs
[2012-01-11 15:27:12] <SphinxWithASpear> But proper ninja
[2012-01-11 15:27:28] <SphinxWithASpear> Aswell as honourable warriors
[2012-01-11 15:30:48] <Samar> But Armas actually doing what he's good at
[2012-01-11 15:31:34] <SphinxWithASpear> Uh, both options have that
[2012-01-11 15:31:38] <SphinxWithASpear> Chaos
[2012-01-11 15:31:49] <SphinxWithASpear> ChAoS
[2012-01-11 15:34:42] <WaryObserver> Has it been sated how long we'd be staying in either?
[2012-01-11 15:34:51] <WaryObserver> Stated*
[2012-01-11 15:35:00] <BigSister> As long as it'll take for us to find a wizard and get back
[2012-01-11 15:35:19] <SphinxWithASpear> We can't take an empire back with us
[2012-01-11 15:35:38] <WaryObserver> But we can safely timeskip training arcs?
[2012-01-11 15:35:49] <WaryObserver> Provided we have a method to do so.
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[2012-01-11 15:43:03] <BossOrkDaTroy> I have an idle question, lads. Has Bob mentioned if High Level Physics is actually soul-eating Eldritch abominations?
[2012-01-11 15:43:44] <WaryObserver> I do not think I understand your question.
[2012-01-11 15:44:44] <BossOrkDaTroy> If Physics and Math are actually respentations of humanity looking at the body of a elder-thing?
[2012-01-11 15:46:33] <BossOrkDaTroy> If a Hilbert cube is actually the eye of a dark and violent creature, and that the insanity among physists isn't due to other causes.
[2012-01-11 15:47:19] <WaryObserver> I do not believe Bob has mentioned such a thing... But really cool idea.
[2012-01-11 15:48:07] <BossOrkDaTroy> it's been used in Robert Stross 'Atrosity Archives' series but...guck, sceince is mind-meltingly fucky.
[2012-01-11 15:49:48] <BossOrkDaTroy> Sorry, -Charles- stross.
[2012-01-11 15:50:19] <WaryObserver> Just to be clear, this is basically a psuedo Caged-one as the physical  laws of our solar system?
[2012-01-11 15:55:35] <BossOrkDaTroy> Yes.
[2012-01-11 15:55:43] <BossOrkDaTroy> Or many Caged Ones.
[2012-01-11 15:57:06] <BigSister> ALRIGHT
[2012-01-11 15:57:06] <BigSister> TIM
[2012-01-11 15:57:08] <BigSister> OYSTER TIME
[2012-01-11 16:06:20] <Bob> Not Warring States Japan-Sengoku Jidai's overdone.  Gempei war, Genki war-those maybe, but not the one that's been used by everyone and their mother.
[2012-01-11 16:07:15] <Arkeus> back
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[2012-01-11 16:10:40] <LittleSister> ...Did I miss anything?
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[2012-01-11 16:12:33] <LittleSister> And hey, SphinxWithASpear, it's time for oysters
[2012-01-11 16:23:37] <SphinxWithASpear> Sure
[2012-01-11 16:29:16] <Arkeus> I continue to whistle as I shift in and out of the Dark, each time reappearing behind a different tree, moving six times in ten seconds. But while I'm busy with whistling-  <= SB can shadowport us quite well
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[2012-01-11 16:29:48] <Arkeus> Also, bob, no mention of IT? did Armas somehow put it away during the teleport spam?
[2012-01-11 16:30:29] <BUTTZ> Shadowbro could afford the juice, we weren't fighting there
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[2012-01-11 16:33:30] <Bob> So SB's winded for the next couple hours.  You still need to hike through the woods for a few hours unless you're planning to fly somewhere-as BUTTZ said, he can afford it.
[2012-01-11 16:33:42] <TMIoverload> Hey Bob, was it noted what the arrow and blade charms are made of?
[2012-01-11 16:34:03] <TMIoverload> Okay, it wasn't, but I mean what are they made of.
[2012-01-11 16:35:22] <Bob> They are predominately made out of metal-if they had to be likened to a charm type, then to general dwarvish charms, which are iconic for being allmetal and eschewing the use of gems at the same time-not many do that.
[2012-01-11 16:35:37] <Bob> Do you mean the specific elemental materials?
[2012-01-11 16:36:42] <TMIoverload> Nah, just wondering they were wood, and was wondering what would happen if the spear copied actual magic items. Outside of the Matebas grips, not much to use to test that, and was wondering if the charms were viable
[2012-01-11 16:38:20] <BUTTZ> That magic spear haft is pretty interesting
[2012-01-11 16:38:31] <BUTTZ> Template magic like that could be useful for other things too
[2012-01-11 16:39:15] <Bob> I'd suggest using the wood of that tree to respec the haft-it has some downsides, sure, but it's combat-viable magic wood.
[2012-01-11 16:39:36] <Arkeus> what tree?
[2012-01-11 16:39:45] <Bob> the timber you got.
[2012-01-11 16:39:52] <Bob> with the sinusoidal grain
[2012-01-11 16:39:54] <Bob> green wood
[2012-01-11 16:39:57] <Bob> that stuff
[2012-01-11 16:40:16] <Arkeus> heh ok
[2012-01-11 16:40:29] <Arkeus> i think i'll sleep for a couple of hours and then finish my suggestion
[2012-01-11 16:40:50] <MrTT> so what do you guys think of dragomirs diary?
[2012-01-11 16:45:32] <BUTTZ> What's that?
[2012-01-11 16:45:41] <MrTT> i linked it earlier... here http://www.dragomirsdiary.com/2011/08/hello-diary.html
[2012-01-11 16:46:09] <MrTT> its an online novel set up as a diary, most pages have a single illustration to go with
[2012-01-11 16:46:13] <MrTT> and its pretty cool actually
[2012-01-11 16:46:22] <MrTT> not just that, it gets a lot cooler further in
[2012-01-11 16:49:04] <MrTT> I would give examples but i don't wanna spoil
[2012-01-11 16:50:28] <BUTTZ> They’re just rats. Rats aren’t picky.
[2012-01-11 16:52:16] <BUTTZ> So this is a dwarf-fortress game turned into a journal?
[2012-01-11 16:52:41] <MrTT> i don't think so... for one thing they are human
[2012-01-11 16:52:50] <BUTTZ> There's hints all over though
[2012-01-11 16:52:51] <MrTT> and there is some pretty crazy magic
[2012-01-11 16:53:11] <MrTT> it takes like 50 pages to get to the overtly magical stuff though.
[2012-01-11 16:53:11] <BUTTZ> The doorless rooms, the lack of weekends, the roaming elephant herds in the basement...
[2012-01-11 16:53:27] <MrTT> i am not too familiar with dorf fortress myself
[2012-01-11 16:53:30] <BUTTZ> not to mention the pregnancy mechanic
[2012-01-11 16:53:47] <MrTT> oh the pregnancy is gonna end up in an AWESOME way
[2012-01-11 16:53:51] <MrTT> i don't wanna spoiler though
[2012-01-11 16:54:04] <BUTTZ> Which is just like in dwarf fortress, where all the sentient creatures reproduce by spores or something since the only measure is if they're married or not
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[2012-01-11 16:57:04] <BUTTZ> because Philip’s illiterate most of what he draws is just lewd stick men and squiggles.
[2012-01-11 17:00:34] <MrTT> wait... do people in dorf fortress have a ... timeskip on the weekend?
[2012-01-11 17:00:41] <MrTT> where they just pass out for 2 days?
[2012-01-11 17:01:14] <BUTTZ> The game is saved whenever you quit
[2012-01-11 17:01:23] <BUTTZ> So if you only play on the week days when you're in your office...
[2012-01-11 17:03:14] <MrTT> you can play from home..
[2012-01-11 17:03:27] <Bob> The point MrTT
[2012-01-11 17:03:37] <Bob> is that Dorffort can easily be made to not look like a game
[2012-01-11 17:03:56] <BUTTZ> Yeah, Toady's level of detail is insane
[2012-01-11 17:03:57] <Bob> as in, play at work, check in, watch the fort self destruct at some point, have a good laugh.
[2012-01-11 17:04:24] <BUTTZ> It's just squiggles and stuff, looks like the matrix to managers
[2012-01-11 17:04:36] <Bob> If Toady added a proper user interface (Or I could find a bundled dl of the game with such mods installed) I'd play that game all day
[2012-01-11 17:04:49] <Bob> as is I can only stomach so much before I go 'I NEED GRAFFIX'
[2012-01-11 17:04:55] <Ralith> there are bundled mod things
[2012-01-11 17:04:59] <Ralith> but none of them fix the basic UI
[2012-01-11 17:05:04] <Ralith> (because they can't)
[2012-01-11 17:05:11] <Ralith> (it isn't a moddable thing)
[2012-01-11 17:05:20] <BUTTZ> Toady will eventually fix the UI, provided he doesn't die from renal failure first
[2012-01-11 17:05:26] <BUTTZ> A real possibility given his lifestyle
[2012-01-11 17:05:28] <MrTT> I tried some doft fortress... yea the lack of graphics is bad... although the lack of a proper manual is worse
[2012-01-11 17:05:36] <Ralith> the wiki makes a fine manual
[2012-01-11 17:05:45] <Ralith> BUTTZ: also given how long "eventually" is likely to be
[2012-01-11 17:06:02] <BUTTZ> Well he'll get to it when people stop paying him for crayon drawings
[2012-01-11 17:06:17] <MrTT> i don't know if dragomir is based on dorf fortress but it is a good story and I am pretty sure it ventures beyond the fort itself
[2012-01-11 17:06:24] <BUTTZ> Actually the whole dwarf fortress finance model is completely insane
[2012-01-11 17:06:46] <BUTTZ> Try describing it to someone
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[2012-01-11 17:08:18] <BUTTZ> "Well there's this guy who writes a game that's more detailed and complex than most engineering simulations and he lives on donations from fans, and to repay the favor he and his brother write stories and draw crude crayon drawings in batches for their biggest patrons. The programmer's sole means of income is donations, and he pays his brother to help him."
[2012-01-11 17:08:30] <BUTTZ> "He just gives the game away. He doesn't sell it."
[2012-01-11 17:12:27] <Ralith> that's not that weird
[2012-01-11 17:13:03] <BUTTZ> Considering he's gotten offers from major publishers to buy the IP and hire him as lead designer it's weird
[2012-01-11 17:13:36] <BUTTZ> More power to him for doing it his way, but it's not how most people would do it
[2012-01-11 17:14:23] <Bob> I just hope he and I both survive long enough for him to finally go 'okay, NOW I can work on the UI and graphics and then call this more or less 'done''
[2012-01-11 17:14:43] <Ralith> well
[2012-01-11 17:14:46] <Ralith> if he doesn't
[2012-01-11 17:14:52] <Ralith> sooner or later someone's going to clone it
[2012-01-11 17:15:14] <Ralith> most of the code is pretty straightforward, and the hard bits are the ones that he fucked up and which make it run like ass anyway
[2012-01-11 17:15:24] <Ralith> well
[2012-01-11 17:15:27] <Ralith> s/is/could be/
[2012-01-11 17:15:55] <BUTTZ> The game is a giant procedural tinker toy
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[2012-01-11 17:24:05] <Dkay_> Good night all
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[2012-01-11 17:46:35] <Bob> Oh my I was unaware Mount and Blade had two expansions.  That's what I get for not checking in now and then
[2012-01-11 17:55:00] <Ralith> warband is generally considered to be the only worthwhile version, I thin
[2012-01-11 17:55:01] <Ralith> k
[2012-01-11 17:59:23] <TMIoverload> Fire&Sword isn't that good
[2012-01-11 18:00:19] <TMIoverload> The setting change is one thing, the changes they made to unit management sap most the fun out of it
[2012-01-11 18:04:24] <TMIoverload> Huh, if you go to gamestop's site and search PC roleplaying games by rating, Hello Kitty Online has a perfect ten
[2012-01-11 18:08:38] <mib_ffe6u6> http://www.wimp.com/catplanning/
[2012-01-11 18:14:28] <Ralith> lol gamestop
[2012-01-11 18:17:34] <TMIoverload> I through their listed stuff everyone once in awhile. I'm pretty picky about what I play, so finding stuffs a pain in the ass
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[2012-01-11 18:36:31] <LittleSister> Tim!
[2012-01-11 18:36:33] <LittleSister> Oyster time
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[2012-01-11 19:12:12] <Arkeus> right-oh, waking up
[2012-01-11 19:12:16] <Arkeus> still time to post?
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[2012-01-11 19:15:05] <Guile> hello, internet-homies
[2012-01-11 19:15:31] <Ironybot> Good evening.
[2012-01-11 19:16:38] <Grail> Hey
[2012-01-11 19:17:13] <Guile> why do people keep trying to feed hummingbird nectar or sugar water? The dude drinks energy drinks. Thats how it is.
[2012-01-11 19:17:25] <Ironybot> He also drinks nectar.
[2012-01-11 19:17:31] <Ironybot> He was quite explicit about it.
[2012-01-11 19:17:44] <Grail> It's on his list of acceptable nutrients
[2012-01-11 19:17:55] <Guile> I coulda sworn he was quite explicit about only energy drinks. my bad.
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[2012-01-11 19:18:02] <Ironybot> He wasn't a fan of sugar water, but nectar is definitely cool with him.
[2012-01-11 19:18:22] <Bob> Offering him sugar water is the same thing as offering a big mac to a snooty gourmand
[2012-01-11 19:18:26] <Bob> someone's going to throw a shitfit
[2012-01-11 19:18:30] <Bob> and it's probably not you
[2012-01-11 19:18:36] <Arkeus> indeed
[2012-01-11 19:18:38] <Ironybot> "...would not be so crass as to offer a warrior anything other than true nectar, or those battle stimulants of you giants..."
[2012-01-11 19:18:40] <Guile> what nectar was it that made the amarok's shadow invincible, I wonder?
[2012-01-11 19:18:53] <Bob> Necter, Necter
[2012-01-11 19:18:58] <Bob> note the capital N
[2012-01-11 19:19:06] <Ironybot> So "true nectar" is fine by him. What the variation in quality is like between various nectars I don't know.
[2012-01-11 19:19:24] <Ironybot> Presumably it's significant and we should start importing magic flowers for his benefit.
[2012-01-11 19:19:26] <Grail> There's probably some truly delectable stuff around
[2012-01-11 19:20:21] <Guile> something to keep in mind for the next goblin info dump, I guess. I just KNOW we're gonna do it again sometime
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[2012-01-11 19:21:23] <SleeplessSphinx> Wait
[2012-01-11 19:21:27] <SleeplessSphinx> Necter!!
[2012-01-11 19:21:32] <SleeplessSphinx> Capital N!
[2012-01-11 19:21:36] <SleeplessSphinx> Bugger
[2012-01-11 19:21:39] <SleeplessSphinx> Missed that
[2012-01-11 19:21:55] <Grail> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVFHKUMHJ3Y
[2012-01-11 19:21:55] <Guile> aint familiar to me
[2012-01-11 19:21:56] <Classhole> Grail: The Road To El Dorado - THE TRAIL WE BLAZE (Movie Version) - length 3m 4s - rated 4.97/5.0 (447) - 115587 views - Durban1988 on 2009.03.14
[2012-01-11 19:22:17] <Grail> The soundtrack for our Aztec adventure
[2012-01-11 19:22:23] <Ironybot> It wasn't actually there to miss; the description of the amarok shadow didn't have the word "nectar" capitalized.
[2012-01-11 19:24:14] <Bob> ......
[2012-01-11 19:24:25] <Bob> Well then... ah..... yeah.
[2012-01-11 19:24:26] <SleeplessSphinx> Wait, we aren't talking about the nectar armas got?
[2012-01-11 19:24:36] <SleeplessSphinx> But Elf nectar is obviously
[2012-01-11 19:24:43] <SleeplessSphinx> "Nectar"
[2012-01-11 19:25:08] <Bob> So yes that SHOULD have been 'Nectar' as in what some mythological creatures take regularly to stay immortal
[2012-01-11 19:25:39] <SleeplessSphinx> Yeah, that would have stinked
[2012-01-11 19:25:50] <Grail> Imagine what Armas would do if he was actually in El Dorado
[2012-01-11 19:25:55] <Grail> A whole city of gold
[2012-01-11 19:26:02] <SleeplessSphinx> needing a regular supply of the stuff would stink
[2012-01-11 19:26:44] <Ironybot> I'm not much of a fan of gold. It's heavy and mostly useless.
[2012-01-11 19:26:45] <Grail> I think Armas would cry tears of joy
[2012-01-11 19:26:56] <Guile> he would never be able to leave, because he couldnt carry that much gold out
[2012-01-11 19:26:57] <Ironybot> I mean what, is he going to carry it out?
[2012-01-11 19:27:03] <Guile> El Dorado would get a free guardian
[2012-01-11 19:27:25] <SleeplessSphinx> Actually that there is the main dislike I have for Aztec route
[2012-01-11 19:27:27] <Guile> "My gold! All of it! Mine! Stay out! Trespassers will be shot, then pantsed, then teleported into the Dark"
[2012-01-11 19:27:29] <Ironybot> Information and power are better than gold. Valuable equipment and enchantments. Minions, allies, and contacts.
[2012-01-11 19:27:49] <Ironybot> Gold is just.... bits of metal.
[2012-01-11 19:27:56] <SleeplessSphinx> Experiance is also riches, Irony
[2012-01-11 19:28:05] <SleeplessSphinx> The wieght of events
[2012-01-11 19:28:46] <Grail> Of course it's not the most valuable thing you can acquire, but the visceral attachment of gold to the concept of wealth makes it a much more grand display.
[2012-01-11 19:29:07] <Grail> And would thus be deserving of a more absurd reaction from Armas, even if he knows it's not worth it
[2012-01-11 19:29:10] <Shifter19> If he found that... I would suggest that he ate some of the gold.
[2012-01-11 19:29:20] <Guile> and honestly, Armas seems the kind of person to be drawn to the bling, like a magpie
[2012-01-11 19:29:35] <Grail> Instead of saying "Imagine what Armas would do if we he found an ancient library of Divinitech magic books".
[2012-01-11 19:29:38] <Guile> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-X94ACLKYO8E/Tw4LMMMxwPI/AAAAAAAAaus/G9yiPFHzc1A/s1600/110793+-+artist+ponykillerx+being_awesome+rainbow_dash.png
[2012-01-11 19:29:43] <Grail> Sure it's more valuable, but I'm going for comedy here.
[2012-01-11 19:29:52] <Grail> Well I was at least.
[2012-01-11 19:31:08] <Ironybot> Ah. Comedy value, sure, gold is probably better.
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[2012-01-11 19:36:32] <Bob> http://images.4chan.org/tg/src/1326331462981.jpg
[2012-01-11 19:37:34] <Guile> that kid is about to have either a very good day, or a very bad one
[2012-01-11 19:39:17] <Bob> I think that's the look of 'WELL WHAT DO YOU KNOW, THERE WENT THE LAST FUCK I GIVE!'
[2012-01-11 19:40:19] <Bob> The thing I think you all should consider-is how mind-warpedly jealous would Sake be if he got to spend time with his bros in Japan while you Azteced-and after you're all back in your native dimension, you mention how he missed out on city of gold.
[2012-01-11 19:44:33] <Grail> It'd probably be a good thing if he didn't come, I don't know how you could get a Ramidreju body to leave a city of gold.
[2012-01-11 19:45:43] <Bob> I think the answer is you don't.
[2012-01-11 19:45:59] <Ironybot> It's funny, Sake would only care about the city of gold as long as he was in a possessed body- so even if he was with us for the Aztec adventure, he wouldn't really be able to appreciate the gold fully.
[2012-01-11 19:46:13] <BUTTZ> He wouldn't get to bring his body?
[2012-01-11 19:46:19] <Ironybot> Since he'd be in a kamaitachi body.
[2012-01-11 19:46:20] <BUTTZ> We get OUR body?
[2012-01-11 19:46:28] <BUTTZ> How does that even work?
[2012-01-11 19:46:33] <Arkeus> Ok, posting
[2012-01-11 19:46:46] <Arkeus> Ironybot: i am going to use one of the ideas we talked a bit about last night
[2012-01-11 19:47:01] <Ironybot> I will read your post, you know.
[2012-01-11 19:47:13] <Grail> I vaguely recall that in most dimension hopping scenarios where Sake is still alive in said dimension he inhabits his old body again.
[2012-01-11 19:47:39] <Ironybot> Come to think of it, is Sake actually old enough for his body to be around in the Aztec timeline?
[2012-01-11 19:47:53] <Ironybot> I got the impression he was only fourish hundred years old somewhere.
[2012-01-11 19:48:17] <Grail> Well he would have been alive in several of the Japan adventures right?
[2012-01-11 19:48:30] <Ironybot> That's the word.
[2012-01-11 19:48:30] <Bob> Including ones that happened in, possibly, 1333
[2012-01-11 19:48:42] <Ironybot> Ah. So he's quite ancient, then.
[2012-01-11 19:48:53] <Ironybot> How do you live seven hundred years and not become stupidly powerful?
[2012-01-11 19:49:05] <BUTTZ> You spend all your time pranking people
[2012-01-11 19:49:07] <BUTTZ> All of it
[2012-01-11 19:49:12] <Grail> It's Japan
[2012-01-11 19:49:14] <BUTTZ> And when you're not pranking, you're drinking
[2012-01-11 19:49:46] <Arkeus> Makes sense
[2012-01-11 19:49:49] <Arkeus> Sake, after all
[2012-01-11 19:50:00] <Grail> As the roughest magical nation it would probably be difficult to break out of your set station in life.
[2012-01-11 19:50:18] <Arkeus> Well, i would say that TIME doesn't help so much
[2012-01-11 19:50:29] <Grail> And of course it's Sake so I doubt there was an inclination to do so to begin with
[2012-01-11 19:50:32] <Arkeus> As in, if you break the mold, it usually should be when you are young
[2012-01-11 19:50:48] <Arkeus> not when everyone knows you and has you fitted into the 'mold' in their thoughts
[2012-01-11 19:50:54] <SleeplessSphinx> His mold was only broken when his siblings were killed
[2012-01-11 19:51:11] <Arkeus> Anyway, seems we now know Sake talks with people
[2012-01-11 19:51:18] <Arkeus> Though i wa salready pretty sure ofi t
[2012-01-11 19:51:31] <BUTTZ> Now know? He's been talking with people ever since he got into his body
[2012-01-11 19:51:44] <BUTTZ> I'm sure he's chatted up the russians and made fun of them
[2012-01-11 19:51:48] <Arkeus> BUTTZ: it was always a bit iffy to find true quotes
[2012-01-11 19:51:56] <Arkeus> that we were SURE weren't mindspeech
[2012-01-11 19:52:21] <Grail> Odd thought I just had
[2012-01-11 19:52:28] <Grail> Can Sake unhinge his jaw like a snake?
[2012-01-11 19:52:31] <Ironybot> Yeah, like he's talked in front of Camella a bunch of times where it's been incredibly ambiguous- but apparently she still doesn't know he can talk, so...
[2012-01-11 19:52:47] <BUTTZ> He can mindspeech relay through Shadowbro
[2012-01-11 19:52:57] <BUTTZ> As long as he's in the spirit animal range
[2012-01-11 19:53:02] <BUTTZ> Which is like 30 meters?
[2012-01-11 19:53:04] <BUTTZ> Something like that
[2012-01-11 19:53:09] <Arkeus> Yeah
[2012-01-11 19:53:43] <BUTTZ> Which Russians were good with electronics?
[2012-01-11 19:53:59] <BUTTZ> We should have them do the thermal scope modification for Sake
[2012-01-11 19:54:00] <Grail> Andrei and Satai I believe
[2012-01-11 19:54:02] <Arkeus> Andrei i think
[2012-01-11 19:54:05] <BUTTZ> Right
[2012-01-11 19:54:55] <BUTTZ> And then Camella can look over their work and be all "Why did Armas have you do this?" and they'll be "He says he wants his weasel to appreciate high technology."
[2012-01-11 19:54:56] <Ironybot> Andrei is good with computers/software, Satai is more electronics/hardware.
[2012-01-11 19:54:59] <BUTTZ> And she shakes her head.
[2012-01-11 19:55:04] <BUTTZ> And leaves it at that.
[2012-01-11 19:55:23] <Guile> how do you fit a weasel with a scope?
[2012-01-11 19:55:29] <Guile> would he look like MK's Kano?
[2012-01-11 19:55:58] <BUTTZ> You mount the scope to his back and route the video to a pair of re-fitted goggles from the original scope
[2012-01-11 19:56:22] <BUTTZ> I figure he'd have like a little backpack with the scope and power supply, and these oversized goggles.
[2012-01-11 19:56:33] <Grail> We still need to do tea time and have Camella come in on us
[2012-01-11 19:57:21] <BUTTZ> These are the thermal goggles we've got on hand: http://www.x20.org/t7-thermal-goggle-binoculars
[2012-01-11 19:57:33] <Grail> Sake and Ito would probably have an interesting conversation on the subject now that I think about it.
[2012-01-11 19:57:34] <BUTTZ> Shouldn't be too hard to take it apart and hack it into something a weasel can wear
[2012-01-11 19:57:42] <Grail> We need to get them to hang out more often.
[2012-01-11 19:57:54] <BUTTZ> Ito doesn't know about Sake though
[2012-01-11 19:58:17] <BUTTZ> Unless Sake's been writing him letters or something
[2012-01-11 19:58:21] <Grail> Introductions are in order then.
[2012-01-11 19:58:28] <Guile> and if he did, his reaction would probably be "Holy shit a kamaitachi kill it!"
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[2012-01-11 19:58:37] <Guile> those little fuckers are mean
[2012-01-11 19:58:43] <BUTTZ> Given how much leeway we give Sake, it's possible Sake made some sort of contact on his own already
[2012-01-11 19:59:21] <Grail> If you can handle Vampires you can handle a kamaitachi, at least as long as you're aware it's barred from trolling you overly maliciously.
[2012-01-11 19:59:24] <Guile> oh, before I forget again- remember when SB learning the Valkonen arts was something we were doing? We've been getting Hillevi into spars, and SB has been out doing his own thing
[2012-01-11 19:59:28] <Ironybot> Those thermal goggles are kind of huge to rework into something a weasel could feasibly wear.
[2012-01-11 20:00:03] <Ironybot> Shadowbro does a lot of experimenting on his own these days, by my understanding.
[2012-01-11 20:00:09] <BUTTZ> SB's usually around when Hillevi's sparring
[2012-01-11 20:00:13] <Arkeus> He always does, yes
[2012-01-11 20:00:20] <Grail> I bet he'd appreciate a some more data though.
[2012-01-11 20:00:22] <Ironybot> We don't really need to guide his studies.
[2012-01-11 20:00:32] <Grail> And if Hillevi is like her brother she doesn't sleep much.
[2012-01-11 20:00:37] <BUTTZ> We should ask her
[2012-01-11 20:00:43] <Arkeus> Also, could someone post about keeping our chakra to 'Stealth' for SB feeding (he is exhausted) or do i need to edit my post?
[2012-01-11 20:00:55] <Grail> I recall Bob saying Sake and SB aren't the only ones that go out while Armas sleeps.
[2012-01-11 20:01:02] <Guile> remember when we wanted to do all this triumvirate teamwork during sparring, and SB and Sake had already hit the town? if memeory serves - and it doesnt always - that happens a fair bit
[2012-01-11 20:01:19] <Ironybot> We should be experimenting with our chakra more. We're good enough these days that we might be able to figure out what parts of the orientation do what and try to reroute the power, I think.
[2012-01-11 20:01:34] <Arkeus> I agree
[2012-01-11 20:01:44] <Ironybot> If we could manage a 100% Shadowbro power orientation, amongst other things it wouldn't be sending any Winter power to our body.
[2012-01-11 20:01:53] <Guile> yeah, if we can identify what part of the chakra configuration is 'stealth' and which part is 'feed SB', that could help lots
[2012-01-11 20:02:06] <Arkeus> I think we would have to 'up' our flexibility' first, though
[2012-01-11 20:02:10] <Arkeus> But, yeah
[2012-01-11 20:02:27] <BUTTZ> I bet the russians have taken Hillevi out at least once
[2012-01-11 20:02:40] <Arkeus> James Bond marathon
[2012-01-11 20:02:43] <Arkeus> Sean Connery
[2012-01-11 20:02:51] <Arkeus> OTOH, Hillevi is now looking for Sean Connery
[2012-01-11 20:02:52] <Arkeus> iirc
[2012-01-11 20:02:58] <BUTTZ> Well she wants to meet him
[2012-01-11 20:03:07] <BUTTZ> No one's told her he's all old now though
[2012-01-11 20:03:14] <Guile> "I'll stop eating you when you stop being so delicious." Armas should use this line sometime
[2012-01-11 20:03:15] <BUTTZ> Or that he's not a super-spy or anything
[2012-01-11 20:03:54] <Ironybot> Hey, a thought. Is the Aztec ruling line an Imperial one?
[2012-01-11 20:04:01] <BigSister> She's getting addicted to TV :(
[2012-01-11 20:04:08] <Bob> http://i.imgur.com/KDb0d.jpg
[2012-01-11 20:04:10] <Ironybot> As I recall, they rampantly conquered other nations and made even more pay them tribute.
[2012-01-11 20:04:24] <Ironybot> Sounds fairly Imperial to me.
[2012-01-11 20:04:30] <Arkeus> Ironybot: we probably could make our usmmer line imperial, yeah
[2012-01-11 20:04:32] <BUTTZ> Well the Aztecs did run an empire based on tribute in the form of food and slaves (which were also food)
[2012-01-11 20:04:41] <BUTTZ> They ate a lot of people
[2012-01-11 20:04:45] <Ironybot> And at a while guess based on the climate there, they'd be Summer... exactly what I was thinking.
[2012-01-11 20:04:52] <Ironybot> Wild guess.
[2012-01-11 20:05:01] <BUTTZ> Sacrificed hundreds of thousands of people
[2012-01-11 20:05:10] <BUTTZ> Tens of thousands at a time
[2012-01-11 20:05:19] <BossOrkDaTroy> Oh hey. Will we fight the Aztec Mummy?
[2012-01-11 20:05:25] <BossOrkDaTroy> And how magical is El Santo?
[2012-01-11 20:05:26] <BUTTZ> Literal rivers of blood flowing down the temples
[2012-01-11 20:05:52] <Ironybot> So if we go Aztec and get in really good with their rulers, we might well be able to get them to adopt us into the ruling family or otherwise Imperialize our Summer bloodline using their own ruling line's essence, which would finally make us a Double Imperial.
[2012-01-11 20:06:20] <Arkeus> lol bob
[2012-01-11 20:06:35] <Ironybot> Which admittedly has abstract, unknown benefits- but screw it, man, we'd be a double emperor! Is that awesome or what?
[2012-01-11 20:06:36] <BUTTZ> Oh oh I just had a thought!
[2012-01-11 20:06:52] <BUTTZ> A really easy way to short-circuit Hillevi's adventure would be to, like, show her Highlander
[2012-01-11 20:06:54] <Ironybot> Also it would make us even more delicious to everyone ever.
[2012-01-11 20:07:21] <Bob> http://i.imgur.com/xklRz.png
[2012-01-11 20:07:29] <Grail> At this point being more delicious wouldn't hurt
[2012-01-11 20:07:46] <Bob> I dunno
[2012-01-11 20:07:55] <Arkeus> Ironybot: Same way that making SB a godling doubleRyal somehow and then merging with him would
[2012-01-11 20:07:56] <Guile> I thought that Super Mutant Gargantuan looked familiar
[2012-01-11 20:07:58] <Arkeus> om nom nom Armas
[2012-01-11 20:08:05] <Grail> Unless there's some sort of fine line of delicious-ness we're going to cross
[2012-01-11 20:08:07] <Bob> A Double imperial dual bloodline godling is rather.... valued, as a reagent for a whole mess of things.
[2012-01-11 20:08:22] <Guile> we would be more Emperor than anyone who had ever lived, ever
[2012-01-11 20:08:23] <Arkeus> Armas in a bottle
[2012-01-11 20:08:41] <Ironybot> It's not like we aren't a delicious ritual component for pretty much everything ever already, though.
[2012-01-11 20:08:57] <Ironybot> Double godling already makes us delicious candy to basically everyone who does that sort of thing.
[2012-01-11 20:08:58] <Guile> and considering the way we heal, we could be harvested forever, pieces plucked from us at need yet forever denied the sweet release of death
[2012-01-11 20:09:06] <Arkeus> And, yeah, i expect that if we ever went Quadruple godling Quadruple imperial or Double imperial Double royal, we won't last a week before being in someone's labatory
[2012-01-11 20:09:13] <Arkeus> unless we cna reliably kill dragons
[2012-01-11 20:09:15] <Arkeus> and even then...
[2012-01-11 20:09:24] <Arkeus> i guess we would need to be accepoted by AORB or something
[2012-01-11 20:09:43] <Ironybot> AORB is amongst the people likely to find us more valuable as a ritual component than an agent.
[2012-01-11 20:09:52] <Grail> Technically if they could capture us they would learn about Romanov, it which case we would allowed the sweet release of death
[2012-01-11 20:09:53] <Grail> Regularly
[2012-01-11 20:09:59] <Grail> So they could harvest our entire body
[2012-01-11 20:10:30] <Arkeus> needtolearnteleport.png
[2012-01-11 20:11:44] <Ironybot> Yes. Really need to learn teleport. Shadowporting us cool but not cutting it right now.
[2012-01-11 20:11:48] <Ironybot> Is cool.
[2012-01-11 20:12:04] <Ironybot> And actually it does cut it right now, but not in this theoretical projected future.
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[2012-01-11 20:12:55] <Ironybot> Anyway. If we can somehow become component with our Winter bloodline, we can mask our Imperial/godling appearance anyway, either by memetic cloaking or by simply sculpting our soul to naturally conceal those attributes.
[2012-01-11 20:12:56] <Bob> Long Range Teleportation is rather understandably a highly sought after ability.
[2012-01-11 20:13:12] <Ironybot> Competent with. Fuck, I can't type this evening.
[2012-01-11 20:13:45] <BigSister> We need a teleportation technique that uses Wind Manipulation, for Sake...in case SB is occupied
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[2012-01-11 20:14:02] <Arkeus> that's not teleportation BigSister
[2012-01-11 20:14:05] <Guile> not sure those exist
[2012-01-11 20:14:13] <Grail> I can't see how you would
[2012-01-11 20:14:15] <Guile> I dunno, the world is big, though
[2012-01-11 20:14:20] <Grail> Short of becoming a gust of wind
[2012-01-11 20:14:38] <Arkeus> Grail: i expect something like the windwalking spell Druids do in DnD
[2012-01-11 20:14:39] <Ironybot> I guess you could get into some sort of conceptual wind manipulation that might let you teleport. But it would be crazy advanced.
[2012-01-11 20:14:46] <SleeplessSphinx> what is wind?
[2012-01-11 20:14:47] <Arkeus> Also, bob, you REALLY should read Malazan
[2012-01-11 20:14:50] <SleeplessSphinx> But Air
[2012-01-11 20:14:54] <SleeplessSphinx> Hmm
[2012-01-11 20:14:55] <BigSister> Movement of Air?
[2012-01-11 20:14:58] <SleeplessSphinx> Explosions
[2012-01-11 20:15:03] <SleeplessSphinx> Not teleport
[2012-01-11 20:15:11] <Guile> we must learn to teleport through explosions
[2012-01-11 20:15:17] <Arkeus> the way you have the NeverNever in GfH is eerily remniscent of the Warrens/Holds/whatever in Malazan
[2012-01-11 20:15:20] <Arkeus> like, EERILY so
[2012-01-11 20:15:31] <Grail> Thunder manipulation + Air manipulation?
[2012-01-11 20:15:36] <SleeplessSphinx> NN is worse than bad news
[2012-01-11 20:15:48] <SleeplessSphinx> It's news that comes too late
[2012-01-11 20:15:59] <SleeplessSphinx> When the killer is already in your house
[2012-01-11 20:16:09] <Bob> Thunder manipulation is ,depending on how you run it, wind manipulation.  Or it's pressure manipulation.
[2012-01-11 20:16:27] <BUTTZ> With the right thunder shout we could make people's eyes pop
[2012-01-11 20:16:56] <Ironybot> The shout is an unnecessary component in that maneuver.
[2012-01-11 20:17:12] <Bob> http://i.imgur.com/IF0YW.jpg
[2012-01-11 20:19:10] <Shifter19> Considerig how grey that is, why aren't there more smoky battlefields in games?
[2012-01-11 20:19:10] <Grail> I'd hate to get into any form of close combat with Armas after getting into the swing of Thunder manip
[2012-01-11 20:20:06] <Grail> Turn your insides into jelly.
[2012-01-11 20:20:30] <Grail> Hm, do giants in GfH actually turn people's bones into bread?
[2012-01-11 20:20:36] <Arkeus> Armas is getting decently powerful
[2012-01-11 20:20:43] <BigSister> I want Sake to give us a visible wind armor
[2012-01-11 20:20:58] <BUTTZ> Purple haze armor
[2012-01-11 20:21:00] <BigSister> As in, holy shit the air currents are bending and turning around this guy!
[2012-01-11 20:21:03] <Grail> That would be pretty funny
[2012-01-11 20:21:03] <Guile> that seems like unnecessarily time-consuming, grinding the bones down, then... I dont know... you'd need to add yeast, at least
[2012-01-11 20:21:03] <Arkeus> Also, Grail, rmemeber that conv where i said (i think it was with you) that armas could have ogtten a lvl7 trait at the Valkonens? i was apparently wrong
[2012-01-11 20:21:14] <Arkeus> It was a lvl7 regen trait if we went to NZ
[2012-01-11 20:21:27] <Grail> I don't remember a conversation like that
[2012-01-11 20:21:37] <Grail> But the correction is welcome
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[2012-01-11 20:22:26] <BigSister> Also, a thought on Feudal Japan...remember our shitty fake sword that we gather belief for? Well...we can make it look blunt as fuck, and have Sake secretly make a wind blade that rides exactly on the sword's "edge", so it makes cuts against...well, almost any armor in a clean slash
[2012-01-11 20:22:29] <Grail> The original line is he'll have his bones to grind his bread
[2012-01-11 20:22:38] <Arkeus> I wonder how high up in the list of 'Bad End' is 'Getting Harvested for Reagents for eternity'
[2012-01-11 20:22:45] <Ironybot> Arkeus, I don't particularly like the way that you've described your experimentation. It relies on Armas being able to effectively memorize the complete appearance of others' souls and then replicate them, or at least their feel, without being able to see his own soul directly. And it generally demands hours of sitting around trying to make something work.
[2012-01-11 20:22:49] <Grail> Funny, I remember it differently, but it makes more sense than turning bones into bread somehow.
[2012-01-11 20:22:54] <SleeplessSphinx> Low ark, Low
[2012-01-11 20:23:08] <SleeplessSphinx> There is some really nasty ends waiting for Armas
[2012-01-11 20:23:18] <Grail> I wonder if the giant's trick was similar to doony's
[2012-01-11 20:23:20] <Ironybot> The method that I suggested for using this workaround into more direct Amorphous Soul use was much simpler and, in my opinion, more elegant.
[2012-01-11 20:23:28] <Grail> He can tell someone's ethnicity without any supernatural senses
[2012-01-11 20:23:31] <Arkeus> Ironybot: mine too
[2012-01-11 20:23:34] <Grail> Just heightened mortal senses
[2012-01-11 20:23:44] <Ironybot> Just use Lordly Imposition to set himself into whatever appearance he wants- then just use Amorphous Soul to hold his soul still.
[2012-01-11 20:23:47] <Grail> Which means at some point Armas could get his senses to that level.
[2012-01-11 20:23:47] <Arkeus> But i want Armas to, first, detect WHICH use of the work-around is 'easier'
[2012-01-11 20:23:58] <Arkeus> as i thikn the amorphous will only work if he can do it 'easily'
[2012-01-11 20:24:06] <Arkeus> If the two have any correlations
[2012-01-11 20:24:10] <BossOrkDaTroy> You know, I don't think ere are nasty ends just -waiting-.
[2012-01-11 20:24:13] <Arkeus> maybe i describved what i wanted badly
[2012-01-11 20:24:14] <BigSister> We can already hear a bomb's faint, faint beep inside a motherfucking helicopter
[2012-01-11 20:24:17] <BossOrkDaTroy> I think most of them are actively stalking Armas.
[2012-01-11 20:24:22] <Arkeus> the thing about lordly imposition is the first step
[2012-01-11 20:24:32] <Arkeus> to 'detect' what is 'easy' and what is 'less easy'
[2012-01-11 20:24:42] <BossOrkDaTroy> And Armas is actively chasing down the others going 'KILL ME!'
[2012-01-11 20:24:43] <Arkeus> and then try direct amorphous soul on the 'easy' ones
[2012-01-11 20:25:37] <SleeplessSphinx> Jack(not mad churchill, I mean THE Jack) is the best hero, who i hope we never encounter
[2012-01-11 20:25:53] <BigSister> What Jack?
[2012-01-11 20:26:02] <Ironybot> We can't see our soul. Any kind of trying to figure things out is essentially fumbling around blindly and, in my opinion, a waste of time until we get either another power or a revelation that lets us figure out how to use it directly.
[2012-01-11 20:26:02] <SleeplessSphinx> Jack his Father
[2012-01-11 20:26:08] <SleeplessSphinx> Skin Churl Jack
[2012-01-11 20:26:16] <SleeplessSphinx> Jack the Cunning thief
[2012-01-11 20:26:24] <SleeplessSphinx> Jack and the bean stalk
[2012-01-11 20:26:34] <Arkeus> Ironybot: my way of figuring it out is have Armas determine how hard he has to conentrate in each case
[2012-01-11 20:26:34] <SleeplessSphinx> There is so many stories of him
[2012-01-11 20:26:38] <BigSister> Uh...Jack the Ripper?
[2012-01-11 20:26:40] <Arkeus> But, sure
[2012-01-11 20:26:41] <BigSister> Oh.
[2012-01-11 20:26:54] <BossOrkDaTroy> Red Jack.
[2012-01-11 20:26:55] <Arkeus> feel free to indicate how to do it in a better, more thought out way
[2012-01-11 20:26:59] <BossOrkDaTroy> Giant Slayer Jack.
[2012-01-11 20:27:05] <BossOrkDaTroy> Jack with the Broken Crown
[2012-01-11 20:27:06] <Arkeus> you are suually more on the money than me about those things
[2012-01-11 20:27:09] <BossOrkDaTroy> Spring Heels
[2012-01-11 20:27:10] <Ironybot> What does how hard he has to concentrate have to do with the effect we're trying to achieve here?
[2012-01-11 20:27:47] <Grail> I'd actually like to kill a giant
[2012-01-11 20:27:47] <SleeplessSphinx> Actually if Armas could be like Jack, with all of the cunning but none of the stupid, that'd be great
[2012-01-11 20:27:49] <Grail> Sounds fun
[2012-01-11 20:27:54] <BossOrkDaTroy> Of course, if Jack-of-the-Green is Red Jack, and Red Jack gave birth to Hitler...
[2012-01-11 20:27:55] <BossOrkDaTroy> well...
[2012-01-11 20:28:03] <Arkeus> Ironybot: how hard Arms has to concentrate for lordly imposition work around might tell Armas how easy it would be for him to do it right with direct amorphous soul wthout self soul sculpting
[2012-01-11 20:28:12] <Arkeus> That may be an assumption, thoguh
[2012-01-11 20:28:21] <Ironybot> We already know that shifting his soul into a lethally untenable shape is basically trivially easy- the amount of difficulty involved in internal soul manipulation doesn't actually tell us anything useful, in my estimation.
[2012-01-11 20:28:24] <Arkeus> Grail: i agree
[2012-01-11 20:29:02] <Arkeus> Ironybot: it's more about how easy it is for Armas to 'know' the shape than for armas to use his amorphous soul
[2012-01-11 20:29:09] <Arkeus> so he could get into the shape without mistake
[2012-01-11 20:29:12] <Arkeus> you might be right, though
[2012-01-11 20:29:32] <Ironybot> But he can't "know" a shape, because he can't see his own soul. It'll be like trying to copy a sculpture from feeling at it in the dark.
[2012-01-11 20:29:49] <Ironybot> So.... okay, he could copy it, or at least most of its attributes, but it would be crazy hard.
[2012-01-11 20:30:18] <Arkeus> I am talking the same way that Armas apparently is better at using Gyaketsuote and other such stuff (ego-less) that use intense concentration when it is about usbject he KNOWS
[2012-01-11 20:30:39] <Guile> Is there a definitive Werewolf of London?
[2012-01-11 20:30:47] <Arkeus> So, basically, i am assuming Armas will have an easier time using amorphous soul withou self soul sculpting if it is a shape he is familiar with
[2012-01-11 20:32:51] <Ironybot> The thing is, I don't think Armas is actually getting familiar with shapes through his indirect soul manipulations at all.
[2012-01-11 20:33:38] <Ironybot> If you look at the descriptions of his successful uses of his current workarounds so far, Armas can't even tell if he's accomplishing anything or not- he depends on external entities to inform him.
[2012-01-11 20:33:52] <Ironybot> He just bends his will to what he wants and then trusts that it'll work.
[2012-01-11 20:34:22] <Ironybot> Gets no feedback as to if it's working- that's why Amen, and more recently Shadowbro, had to tell us what if anything we were accomplishing/when we were losing focus.
[2012-01-11 20:34:46] <BUTTZ> We should experiment with Camella
[2012-01-11 20:34:47] <Arkeus> Mmmh, then get SB in on it
[2012-01-11 20:34:51] <BUTTZ> See what her limits are
[2012-01-11 20:34:58] <Arkeus> We should always 'experiment' with Camella
[2012-01-11 20:35:02] <BUTTZ> "Alright now I'm making my soul look like something familiar to you"
[2012-01-11 20:35:14] <Arkeus> "Big Orange Penis"
[2012-01-11 20:35:16] <Ironybot> Because of that, I would say that any method for bootstrapping our current workaround into being able to use internal powers has to have no dependency whatsoever on Armas knowing anything new.
[2012-01-11 20:35:25] <BUTTZ> "You remind me of one of the late night students"
[2012-01-11 20:35:26] <Grail> She's familiar with big oranges dicks?
[2012-01-11 20:35:28] <Guile> "Hey, guess what my soul looks like now!"
[2012-01-11 20:35:31] <BUTTZ> "Right, imitating a vampire"
[2012-01-11 20:36:00] <Arkeus> Ironybot: i don't see a correlation between the two points actually.
[2012-01-11 20:36:16] <Arkeus> I don't want to use Lordly impostion for using amorphous soul
[2012-01-11 20:36:38] <Arkeus> i want to use lordly imposition in order to 'choose' a more or less 'ideal' "appearance"
[2012-01-11 20:36:44] <Arkeus> when it comes to difficulty
[2012-01-11 20:36:57] <Arkeus> Well, when it comes to NOT self soul sculpting
[2012-01-11 20:37:11] <Arkeus> If you think you have a quicker way, then do it
[2012-01-11 20:37:21] <Ironybot> In that case, I misunderstood what you were getting at in your post- and I have to SUST your idea on the principle that it is basically straight self-experimentation on internal soul manipulation.
[2012-01-11 20:37:26] <Ironybot> We agreed that was suicidal.
[2012-01-11 20:37:38] <BossOrkDaTroy> I say we should have our soul be a giant, neon tie/dick
[2012-01-11 20:37:49] <BossOrkDaTroy> If only when we are being -TOTALLY SERIOUS.
[2012-01-11 20:38:02] <Arkeus> Ironybot: i thought that Armas was good enough to tell when he began self soul sculpting
[2012-01-11 20:38:08] <Ironybot> No, he's not.
[2012-01-11 20:38:11] <Arkeus> and he can stop if he does it
[2012-01-11 20:38:33] <Arkeus> He isn't? huh, weird. The part where he stops trying to use Amorphous soul indicate the opposite
[2012-01-11 20:38:38] <Ironybot> He cannot tell whether he's soul sculpting or changing his soul appearance or anything because he has virtually no input.
[2012-01-11 20:38:45] <Grail> We have no idea what we're doing and lucked out into a work around.
[2012-01-11 20:38:58] <Grail> Armas hasn't even approached learning his actual abilities.
[2012-01-11 20:39:03] <Arkeus> Ironybot: what actually happened was that Armas couldn't use one without using the other
[2012-01-11 20:39:13] <Arkeus> he was, however, aware he was using both
[2012-01-11 20:39:25] <Arkeus> he just couldn't begin to use amorphous soul without self soul sculpting
[2012-01-11 20:40:23] <Arkeus> Anyway, what was your plan then? i might have misunderstood it if you don't want to use amorphous soul at all.
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[2012-01-11 20:41:18] <Ironybot> I do want to use Amorphous Soul, but not as the primary modifier of what's going on.
[2012-01-11 20:41:28] <Arkeus> Oh?
[2012-01-11 20:42:04] <Ironybot> Basically, I figure that we use Lordly Imposition to order our soul to look how we want it to look- then use Amorphous Soul to hold that appearance in place. Don't initiate any change, just keep the current appearance that Lordly Imposition specified.
[2012-01-11 20:42:20] <Arkeus> That's....clever
[2012-01-11 20:42:29] <Ironybot> This should have little or no risk of damage since it doesn't involve actually sculpting or changing anything.
[2012-01-11 20:42:40] <Arkeus> Yeah, your way is way better
[2012-01-11 20:43:06] <Arkeus> I would also like to try experimenting in 'going back and force', though using lordly imposition to begin the thing isn't really BAD
[2012-01-11 20:43:13] <Arkeus> just not as effective
[2012-01-11 20:43:15] <Bob> Arkeus, was it necessary to take up a paragraph saying 'I'm not making a decision on where to go, but I'll belabor the points of either choice' or am I missing an interestingly phrased suggestion in there?
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[2012-01-11 20:44:06] <SleeplessSphinx> *BZZZT* We have a winner! Bob has the answer, 500 points!
[2012-01-11 20:44:14] <BUTTZ> Matevy has a secure phone?
[2012-01-11 20:44:18] <LittleSister> ?!?!?!?!
[2012-01-11 20:44:21] <LittleSister> What did I miss?
[2012-01-11 20:44:24] <Ironybot> A bunch of the Russians have secure phones.
[2012-01-11 20:44:25] <BUTTZ> Amen has one, right?
[2012-01-11 20:44:26] <Arkeus> Bob: i was going for "poachers are slightly better because it's only highly likely that we will get a sidequest"
[2012-01-11 20:44:31] <Ironybot> We bought a while pack of 'em.
[2012-01-11 20:44:32] <BUTTZ> Did we give Camella one?
[2012-01-11 20:44:33] <Abeo> Didn't Armas distribute a number of secure phones to the Russians?
[2012-01-11 20:44:40] <Arkeus> Also, if we play our card rights, the "sidequest" could be done in a single dialog
[2012-01-11 20:45:11] <SleeplessSphinx> Magic doesn't care how secure you think your phone is, and besides, not as secure as all that anyway
[2012-01-11 20:45:12] <Arkeus> Bob: want me to make it clearer?
[2012-01-11 20:45:15] <Abeo> Not sure why people are so wary of the cove really.
[2012-01-11 20:45:20] <SleeplessSphinx> AORB is listening
[2012-01-11 20:45:25] <Arkeus> Abeo: Cove?
[2012-01-11 20:45:32] <Abeo> smuggler place
[2012-01-11 20:45:35] <SleeplessSphinx> No, phone may be a risk
[2012-01-11 20:45:52] <Guile> Smuggler's Cove? Armas would spend the entire week there.
[2012-01-11 20:46:08] <Abeo> "Oh no potential sidequests" strikes me as an odd reason to avoid a place
[2012-01-11 20:46:23] <Abeo> Sure, we don't want to do them right now, but we could just, you know, choose to ignore them
[2012-01-11 20:46:40] <Guile> well really, I want to avoid it because the mercs already gave us two leads on suspicious animal activity
[2012-01-11 20:46:40] <Abeo> strike that, we don't want to do them EVER
[2012-01-11 20:46:53] <Guile> why go pay someone else to give us more info when we HAVE leads to investigate?
[2012-01-11 20:46:54] <Abeo> That I understand.
[2012-01-11 20:47:29] <Abeo> I don't understand choosing to go to a camp of people there's decent chances of them wanting to kill us
[2012-01-11 20:47:31] <SleeplessSphinx> I vote Guile for neo-dicator
[2012-01-11 20:47:43] <SleeplessSphinx> He's got the logic ball tonight
[2012-01-11 20:47:59] <LittleSister> Your logic is insanity to me
[2012-01-11 20:48:04] <Arkeus> Edited, make sure you SUST the right one Ironybot
[2012-01-11 20:48:20] <Ironybot> I shall.
[2012-01-11 20:48:22] <Guile> Thank you, Sphinx. I will endeavor to only use my power for good
[2012-01-11 20:48:40] <Arkeus> <Abeo> Sure, we don't want to do them right now, but we could just, you know, choose to ignore them <= not at the mercenary place
[2012-01-11 20:48:49] <Arkeus> it was pretty clear we need to be available for hire there
[2012-01-11 20:48:53] <Arkeus> so we can't say "no"
[2012-01-11 20:49:08] <Guile> well, we could conceivably say 'we're already under contract'
[2012-01-11 20:49:16] <Abeo> Just imply that you are available for hire
[2012-01-11 20:49:17] <Guile> but then they wouldnt tell us anything
[2012-01-11 20:49:25] <Arkeus> "The contract's not from us, doesn't count"
[2012-01-11 20:50:08] <SleeplessSphinx> Well, goodnight ladies! and make sure to follow leads before they go cold!
[2012-01-11 20:50:11] <Arkeus> the danger with the poacher is the satchel, i think
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[2012-01-11 20:50:16] <Arkeus> they might REALLY want it
[2012-01-11 20:50:40] <Abeo> I think it more likely they just really don't want anyone else to have it
[2012-01-11 20:50:55] <Grail> Not related and far less important to discuss, but I wonder how Radu Hagi deals with nonhuman targets that don't have hearts or have wildly different anatomy
[2012-01-11 20:51:08] <Arkeus> Radu Hagi?
[2012-01-11 20:51:10] <Grail> Even flesh manipulations would be tricky to deal with.
[2012-01-11 20:51:48] <Grail> The suicider
[2012-01-11 20:51:55] <Grail> Skull boy
[2012-01-11 20:52:35] <LittleSister> Zombie Boy!
[2012-01-11 20:52:39] <Bob> Radu handles it by systematically destroying the body on a physical level, and HOPING something kills the target before he's run out of means to cause physical harm-because if he does, he's FUCKED.
[2012-01-11 20:52:50] <LittleSister> Ooooh~
[2012-01-11 20:53:01] <BUTTZ> So he'd be fucked against Gleb
[2012-01-11 20:53:08] <LittleSister> Or us.
[2012-01-11 20:53:26] <BUTTZ> Well it depends on how fast he can re-assert control
[2012-01-11 20:53:34] <Arkeus> Not sure he would be fucked against gleb
[2012-01-11 20:53:52] <Arkeus> Also, talking about Gleb, it appears we had made him run out of lives
[2012-01-11 20:53:53] <BUTTZ> He would be, Gleb could always use the "posess your own body" trick
[2012-01-11 20:53:58] <Arkeus> we MIGHT have been able to kill him off
[2012-01-11 20:54:02] <BUTTZ> We did?
[2012-01-11 20:54:12] <Arkeus> Gleb had used two lives
[2012-01-11 20:54:21] <Arkeus> one for soul rupturing, the other for what he vomited
[2012-01-11 20:54:28] <Shot__> BOB
[2012-01-11 20:54:35] <BUTTZ> I hope he hadn't had any work done on his soul
[2012-01-11 20:54:41] <Shot__> How do I make words smaller on /quest/
[2012-01-11 20:54:51] <Shot__> What is the formatting
[2012-01-11 20:55:03] <Shifter19> [small]
[2012-01-11 20:55:13] <Shot__> ... Well okay then.
[2012-01-11 20:55:21] <Grail> Radu is pretty potent though
[2012-01-11 20:55:24] * LittleSister snickers
[2012-01-11 20:55:31] <Shifter19> There is a FAQ on the front page. :P
[2012-01-11 20:55:31] <BUTTZ> Does Amen's charm make the wearer sound right too?
[2012-01-11 20:55:34] <Grail> I mean sure he doesn't have the rage some people do
[2012-01-11 20:55:39] <BUTTZ> I mean, the sound of the voice?
[2012-01-11 20:55:42] <BUTTZ> Did we ask about that even?
[2012-01-11 20:55:47] <Grail> But he's got a pretty wide breadth of targets he can go after.
[2012-01-11 20:55:58] <Grail> range*
[2012-01-11 20:57:09] <Grail> Ask when we get back.
[2012-01-11 20:57:36] <BUTTZ> Hey couldn't we have Amen do a blood-magic telepathy relay between us and Camella?
[2012-01-11 20:58:24] <Guile> it would be amusing if Camella used an Armas-face charm but still sounded like herself
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[2012-01-11 21:00:00] <LittleSister> Suddenly, quiet.
[2012-01-11 21:00:10] <Moralfag> You're a whore.
[2012-01-11 21:00:28] <Wutenheimer> i agree
[2012-01-11 21:00:28] <Moralfag> Everybody in this room is a whore.
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[2012-01-11 21:00:42] <BUTTZ> "Amen, I've got a couple more questions about the charms you possess," slight pause, "the capacity to make."
[2012-01-11 21:00:58] <Moralfag> ololol
[2012-01-11 21:01:01] <Moralfag> Buttz
[2012-01-11 21:01:11] <Grail> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bifmj1O3D24
[2012-01-11 21:01:11] <Classhole> Grail: (Skyrim) Macho Dragon Mod - length 3m 14s - rated 4.93/5.0 (18065) - 1726355 views - fncypntz on 2012.01.07
[2012-01-11 21:01:17] <Grail> I need this mod
[2012-01-11 21:01:30] <Bob> Anyone planning a post still?
[2012-01-11 21:01:34] <BUTTZ> I am
[2012-01-11 21:01:40] <BUTTZ> I'll be done in a couple of moments
[2012-01-11 21:02:32] <Ironybot> Yes, I am writing.
[2012-01-11 21:02:44] <Ironybot> My apologies for the delay.
[2012-01-11 21:04:18] <Bob> BUTTZ and Ironybot.
[2012-01-11 21:04:22] <Bob> This does not surprise me.
[2012-01-11 21:04:28] <BUTTZ> Dude I was cooking my dinner
[2012-01-11 21:04:38] <Ironybot> I do have rather a habit of delaying my posts substantially.
[2012-01-11 21:04:40] <Arkeus> lol
[2012-01-11 21:04:42] <Arkeus> excuses!
[2012-01-11 21:04:53] <Arkeus> :p
[2012-01-11 21:05:00] <Arkeus> i even took a nap before posting!
[2012-01-11 21:05:05] <Arkeus> and *gasp* saw people today
[2012-01-11 21:05:08] <Arkeus> *shuddersù
[2012-01-11 21:09:41] <Guile> does the music come part of the mod?
[2012-01-11 21:11:33] <Grail> I believe it's just part of the video
[2012-01-11 21:11:42] <Grail> But you can play it in the background if you want
[2012-01-11 21:13:08] <Wutenheimer> yeah, just change the dragonfighting music to MACHOMANRANDYSAVAGE MOOSIC
[2012-01-11 21:14:51] <Grail> I wonder if it works on the dragon you trap in Whiterun
[2012-01-11 21:14:59] <Wutenheimer> OH LAWDY
[2012-01-11 21:16:10] <Wutenheimer> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6R9wwjZNss&feature=related
[2012-01-11 21:16:11] <Classhole> Wutenheimer: A "Special" Dragon - length 1m 23s - rated 4.90/5.0 (1332) - 403242 views - PotbsSkttLes on 2011.11.16
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[2012-01-11 21:19:06] <BUTTZ> Since we seem set on calling Camella, we need to have a plan for it
[2012-01-11 21:19:14] <BUTTZ> Posted
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[2012-01-11 21:22:59] <Wutenheimer> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K30WMbMWAO0&feature=related
[2012-01-11 21:23:00] <Classhole> Wutenheimer: Weirdest Thing in Skyrim - length 27s - rated 4.98/5.0 (2024) - 310751 views - motheyeNDW on 2011.11.15
[2012-01-11 21:23:08] <Ironybot> Do you seriously think that it's a good idea to send Camella to meet the spook disguised as Armas?
[2012-01-11 21:23:29] <LittleSister> She'd notice the moment the "Armas" speaks
[2012-01-11 21:23:35] <Ironybot> Why not just send her as our second in command, which she is, and which will not set off any crazy spook detection alarms?
[2012-01-11 21:25:26] <BUTTZ> The spook will know
[2012-01-11 21:25:37] <BUTTZ> This is so that all the other assholes in the Asitane won't know
[2012-01-11 21:26:16] <Ironybot> Why is it important to reveal to the people in the Asitane that Armas Laine is meeting with someone there?
[2012-01-11 21:26:30] <Ironybot> Or conversely, to conceal that Camella is doing so?
[2012-01-11 21:26:43] <BUTTZ> Because Armas Laine wants to be a name in Istanbul
[2012-01-11 21:27:11] <BUTTZ> He wants people to be able to say "Yeah I saw him meeting with that discreet gentleman, he must be important"
[2012-01-11 21:27:30] <BUTTZ> This is as much marketing as anything
[2012-01-11 21:28:07] <Ironybot> It seems unnecessarily convoluted and risky for marketing, and I don't think that the spook will appreciate our insisting on sending someone else to meet him illusioned as us very much.
[2012-01-11 21:28:39] <Ironybot> If we want the prestige of meeting with people in the Asitane, we can just start eating there ourselves all the time.
[2012-01-11 21:29:16] <BUTTZ> We should take Arkvad out there again sometime
[2012-01-11 21:29:17] <Guile> I mostly like the idea because then I imagine Armas trying to sell Camella on the idea
[2012-01-11 21:29:35] <Guile> "No no, you should totally go as me. I happen to have an illusion charm of myself- no, don't ask why-"
[2012-01-11 21:29:36] <BUTTZ> "You'll look like ME Camella. It will be awesome."
[2012-01-11 21:29:52] <LittleSister> Why haven't we done this yet? http://images.4chan.org/k/src/1326337875592.jpg
[2012-01-11 21:29:52] <BUTTZ> "Plus I won't complain if you sneak a peak at my bodacious bod."
[2012-01-11 21:29:56] <Arkeus> "How can it not be awesome to be ME"
[2012-01-11 21:30:24] <BUTTZ> I hope Amen's seen Star Wars
[2012-01-11 21:30:36] <Guile> Of course, if we manage to sell her on that, then we can demand a drop of her blood for a similar charm. Because, well, sometimes Armas will want to look pretty
[2012-01-11 21:30:59] <LittleSister> Arkeus: That line is...perfect.
[2012-01-11 21:31:34] <Ironybot> Sorry, man, I just don't think it's a good idea. Not because the Camella-troll wouldn't be awesome, it's just that with the spook involved the whole thing becomes too risky with a major potential contact.
[2012-01-11 21:31:45] <Ironybot> We're already going to be pushing the limits by having someone else show up.
[2012-01-11 21:32:06] <Ironybot> We can save the illusion-as-us bit for another occasion.
[2012-01-11 21:32:23] <BUTTZ> Think of it like this
[2012-01-11 21:32:32] <BUTTZ> It's also advertisement to the spook of what we can do
[2012-01-11 21:32:48] <LittleSister> I think it's better for us to go in person.
[2012-01-11 21:33:06] <BUTTZ> Yeah I do too, but if we can't because we're spending the next couple of days in the jungle, we're fucked
[2012-01-11 21:33:18] <BUTTZ> Think of this as the "plan B awesome"
[2012-01-11 21:34:57] <Arkeus> Also BUTTZ, i dislike you not asking Amen to be truthful at all
[2012-01-11 21:35:09] <BUTTZ> Hm, right.
[2012-01-11 21:35:15] <BUTTZ> Lemme put that in there
[2012-01-11 21:36:20] <Guile> We cant ALWAYS ask Amen to be truthful
[2012-01-11 21:36:29] <Guile> each time tightens the noose, doesnt it?
[2012-01-11 21:36:31] <BUTTZ> Amen, for the duration of this conversation, whenever you lie you must make a farty sound. Like "pbbbbt."
[2012-01-11 21:37:02] <Guile> Amen wont strikes me as very dignified in his way. He'd probably tell the truth just to avoid having to make the sound
[2012-01-11 21:37:20] <Guile> anyway- Irony, yes, your way is probably wisest. Buttz's way, however, is Armas
[2012-01-11 21:37:23] <Ironybot> I'm not sure that binding is actually any looser of a binding than simply ordering him to tell the truth for the conversation.
[2012-01-11 21:37:26] <Guile> which is not necessarily a good thing
[2012-01-11 21:37:42] <Guile> but there you go
[2012-01-11 21:37:46] <LittleSister> Who here has a Russian that plays the guitar?
[2012-01-11 21:37:52] <Ironybot> And that order leaves him able to make the sound even if he tells us the truth.
[2012-01-11 21:38:20] <Ironybot> It also leaves him the option of making that sound in a different room or otherwise in a location where we can't hear it personally.
[2012-01-11 21:38:22] <LittleSister> Because we should do this someday: http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/jimmyhsieh/1318494445937.jpg
[2012-01-11 21:38:47] <LittleSister> Motherfucking bard buffs
[2012-01-11 21:39:00] <Bob> ...Ironybot....post?
[2012-01-11 21:39:09] <Ironybot> Just now, in fact.
[2012-01-11 21:39:18] <Bob> Just just now?
[2012-01-11 21:39:21] <Arkeus> yep
[2012-01-11 21:39:36] <Bob> I literally refreshed immediately before tabbing over and asking about it
[2012-01-11 21:39:37] <Ironybot> Within seconds of your statement.
[2012-01-11 21:39:42] <Bob> Did I do the last possible refresh then?
[2012-01-11 21:39:45] <Bob> Seems I did.
[2012-01-11 21:40:27] <BUTTZ> I put the farty-noise lie detection in
[2012-01-11 21:41:31] <Arkeus> Ironybot: onyl quibble about your experiment being awesome is that it doesn't include the order to stop if it goes int oself soul sculpting territory
[2012-01-11 21:41:32] <Ironybot> Your "lie detection" is still massively flawed and ineffective, as well as being unlikely to actually leave a looser binding than simply ordering him to tell the truth.
[2012-01-11 21:41:42] <Arkeus> though i hope Armas knows to stop in such a case
[2012-01-11 21:41:44] <BUTTZ> It's funny
[2012-01-11 21:42:10] <Arkeus> It's funny, but it doesn't mean Amen can't make the farting soun in another room
[2012-01-11 21:42:10] <Ironybot> We should not be giving Amen new bindings for the humor value.
[2012-01-11 21:42:17] <Arkeus> or he can't fart if he says the truth
[2012-01-11 21:42:27] <BUTTZ> Amen, talk to me in Te Reo for this call. And for the duration of this conversation, whenever you lie you must make a farty sound. Like "pbbbbt." And you must go in front of other people to make the noise.
[2012-01-11 21:43:21] <Ironybot> Amen farting in front of a couple Russians does fuck-all to help our purposes, however funny it might be.
[2012-01-11 21:43:47] <BUTTZ> The order isn't for him to fart, it's to make "farty noises"
[2012-01-11 21:43:55] <BUTTZ> The bronx cheer, so to speak
[2012-01-11 21:44:07] <Ironybot> You don't specify how he would make those noises- but we quibble.
[2012-01-11 21:44:16] <Ironybot> Point is, it's a useless binding that does nothing for us.
[2012-01-11 21:44:16] <BUTTZ> We gave him a demonstration of the noise
[2012-01-11 21:44:17] <Arkeus> Side note, if this works out we'll need to learn Japanese the same way after we get home because why not.  <= indeed
[2012-01-11 21:44:18] <BUTTZ> "pbbbbt"
[2012-01-11 21:44:42] <Arkeus> Ironybot: sad that you chose reinfoorcement over 'stealth'
[2012-01-11 21:44:47] <Arkeus> SB likes us using Stealth
[2012-01-11 21:44:52] <Arkeus> delicious energy
[2012-01-11 21:44:53] <Ironybot> Reinforcement is simply better for us here.
[2012-01-11 21:45:10] <Arkeus> SB is wiped out
[2012-01-11 21:45:15] <Ironybot> We need to do a great deal of traveling on foot; for that we need to have strength, speed, and ensurance.
[2012-01-11 21:45:30] <Ironybot> He will recover quickly enough.
[2012-01-11 21:45:51] <BUTTZ> pbbbbt
[2012-01-11 21:46:03] <Bob> BOY LOOK AT THIS REALISTIC ARMOR http://images.4chan.org/v/src/1326338059971.jpg
[2012-01-11 21:46:15] <Arkeus> ah japan
[2012-01-11 21:46:21] <Arkeus> Is it 'Stripper' Armor?
[2012-01-11 21:46:59] <BUTTZ> Ugh, the AI in SotS has a NAP with me but is performing commerce raids
[2012-01-11 21:47:06] <BUTTZ> Going to have to research the addiction technology
[2012-01-11 21:47:07] <Ironybot> That armor was built in a land where all attacks come from the sides, clearly.
[2012-01-11 21:47:08] <Bob> It's apparently heavy armor, for a tank.
[2012-01-11 21:47:15] <Arkeus> .......
[2012-01-11 21:47:32] <BUTTZ> Armas needs armor like that
[2012-01-11 21:47:37] <LittleSister> Japaaaaaaaan
[2012-01-11 21:47:37] <Bob> Also note her wrapped, belted sword-with-an-axe-head
[2012-01-11 21:47:38] <BUTTZ> He'll wear it into battle
[2012-01-11 21:47:54] <BUTTZ> After he rubs himself down with baby oil
[2012-01-11 21:48:07] <LittleSister> That seems unbalanced as fuck
[2012-01-11 21:48:11] <LittleSister> Also, note dem heels
[2012-01-11 21:48:25] <Bob> Can't forget the 'break on your first step' heels
[2012-01-11 21:48:57] <Guile> did the last update include SB being tapped out? He just did some teleports
[2012-01-11 21:49:02] <BUTTZ> Yeah Armas is going to need to learn how to walk around in heels if he's going to play the Rocky Horror
[2012-01-11 21:49:13] <BUTTZ> We've got enough people to do that show now
[2012-01-11 21:49:24] <Arkeus> lol
[2012-01-11 21:49:27] <BUTTZ> BC can be Meatloaf.
[2012-01-11 21:51:17] <Ironybot> I am very much looking forward to turning Armas' life into a musical. Should be hilarious.
[2012-01-11 21:52:16] <Guile> We need to hire random people on the street to reenact them with us, and baffle our friends
[2012-01-11 21:52:36] <Ironybot> Also, more comments on these Amen orders. When we asking him about the telepathy charm, we didn't specify what other effects such a charm might have.
[2012-01-11 21:52:58] <Guile> Like we're in the Blues Brothers, or the opening of an Austin Powers movie. "Yes, since last we met, I learned a great and terrible power. Behold!"
[2012-01-11 21:53:10] <Ironybot> He could give us some sort of horrible enchanted hell-item that happens to allow telepathy.
[2012-01-11 21:53:26] <BUTTZ> If he does he'll be doomed to make farty noises
[2012-01-11 21:53:27] <BUTTZ> forever
[2012-01-11 21:53:38] <Arkeus> Yeah, bad idea
[2012-01-11 21:53:40] <Ironybot> ...I don't think he's overly concerned about that.
[2012-01-11 21:53:43] <BUTTZ> "Whenever you use a full-stop, you must also make a farty noise. This is punishment for being an ass."
[2012-01-11 21:53:56] <Arkeus> And then Amen explodes
[2012-01-11 21:54:02] <BUTTZ> pbbbt
[2012-01-11 21:54:25] <LittleSister> And if any future masters ask you why you make that farty noise, respond them with a full, non-stop 10 minutes long farty noise
[2012-01-11 21:54:36] <BossOrkDaTroy> YES!
[2012-01-11 21:54:41] <BUTTZ> Yes yes yes!
[2012-01-11 21:54:41] <BossOrkDaTroy> OH GOD, WE MUST DO THIS.
[2012-01-11 21:54:52] <Ironybot> Argh. Bob, is there a purpose in/time for me to rewrite a tighter and more effective version of the orders written out as to be given to Amen?
[2012-01-11 21:54:54] <LittleSister> "Amen, why do you make that farty noise? It's annoying." "PBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBT"
[2012-01-11 21:55:15] <LittleSister> -10 min later- "Amen...fuck you. I'm serious here." "PBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBT"
[2012-01-11 21:55:24] <BossOrkDaTroy> DO IT!
[2012-01-11 21:55:26] <BossOrkDaTroy> DOOOO IT!
[2012-01-11 21:56:26] <Guile> this of course implies that we wont be Amen's last master
[2012-01-11 21:56:33] <Guile> once we die, who cares?
[2012-01-11 21:56:56] <Abeo> ...seriously guys
[2012-01-11 21:57:03] <LittleSister> Who knows. But I just want the future master to hear constant farty noises
[2012-01-11 21:57:06] <BUTTZ> We should set it up so that Santa inherits Amen
[2012-01-11 21:57:08] <Arkeus> this is a seriously stupid idea
[2012-01-11 21:57:13] <BUTTZ> pbbbt
[2012-01-11 21:57:22] <Arkeus> someone is stoned
[2012-01-11 21:57:23] <LittleSister> pbbbt
[2012-01-11 21:57:50] <LittleSister> http://images.4chan.org/v/src/1326338578317.jpg
[2012-01-11 21:58:59] <Guile> and UU is himself
[2012-01-11 21:59:18] <Abeo> horsepower is an odd unit of measurement for a claw
[2012-01-11 21:59:24] <Guile> 'Daily Lives of High School Boys' might actually make me enjoy the slice of life anime genre.
[2012-01-11 21:59:45] <LittleSister> It'll make you gay too
[2012-01-11 21:59:50] <LittleSister> Homolust, homolust everywhere
[2012-01-11 21:59:54] <Abeo> even better
[2012-01-11 22:00:05] <LittleSister> [I'm secretly enjoying it]
[2012-01-11 22:00:20] <Wutenheimer> fuck yes kingler
[2012-01-11 22:00:23] <Wutenheimer> best pokemon
[2012-01-11 22:00:45] <Abeo> nuh uh
[2012-01-11 22:01:07] <Guile> well, its no Magikarp
[2012-01-11 22:01:11] <Guile> but its okay, I guess
[2012-01-11 22:01:26] <Abeo> Correct, Magikarp is the best pokemon.
[2012-01-11 22:02:39] <Abeo> http://thepunchlineismachismo.com/archives/141
[2012-01-11 22:03:14] <Abeo> next page demonstrates the awesome destructive power of magikarp
[2012-01-11 22:03:20] <BUTTZ> pbbbt
[2012-01-11 22:04:12] <Abeo> The Russians are going to be confused as hell by Amen suddenly making farty noises all the time
[2012-01-11 22:04:36] <BUTTZ> They'll know Armas had something to do with it
[2012-01-11 22:04:50] <LittleSister> I want to see Camella's face
[2012-01-11 22:04:57] <Guile> Armas, or some a 5th grader has gained the power to command Amen
[2012-01-11 22:05:05] <LittleSister> "Armas ordered you to make these farty noises, didn't he?" "PBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBT"
[2012-01-11 22:05:10] <Abeo> I'm not sure which is more frightening, actually
[2012-01-11 22:05:36] <Ironybot> Speaking of Camella's face, I'm surprised that the "talk to Amen" post didn't order up an audio/video of her reading our letter.
[2012-01-11 22:06:08] <BUTTZ> I don't want to tread into "spy on my friends" territory yet
[2012-01-11 22:06:10] <BUTTZ> Even for a laugh
[2012-01-11 22:06:28] <BUTTZ> The paranoia will get worse if we indulge it like that
[2012-01-11 22:06:43] <Ironybot> You're willing to inch the world closer to apocalypse for a fart joke, but you're not willing to watch Camella react to one of our trolls.
[2012-01-11 22:06:49] <Ironybot> Your logic is inexplicable to me.
[2012-01-11 22:07:23] <BUTTZ> Ok, one, it's only a little apocalypse. A localized disaster, sure, but not THE apocalypse. And two, pbbbt.
[2012-01-11 22:07:31] <LittleSister> pbbt pbbt
[2012-01-11 22:08:26] <LittleSister> Anyways, I'm out.
[2012-01-11 22:08:30] <LittleSister> Night everyone
[2012-01-11 22:08:39] <LittleSister> Oh, and I'll update the wiki tomorrow. I promise!
[2012-01-11 22:08:45] <BUTTZ> Anyway I'm pretty sure that Note Writer is Armas Valkonen
[2012-01-11 22:09:02] <Guile> Only Turkey. Of course, depending on how Amen explodes it could be an extinction-level event... but still. Come on, man.
[2012-01-11 22:09:04] <BUTTZ> Dude's a boss, back-doored his way into hacking the planet
[2012-01-11 22:09:09] <Ironybot> Erm, hasn't that been the major theory for a while?
[2012-01-11 22:09:19] <Ironybot> A major theory, rather.
[2012-01-11 22:09:30] <BUTTZ> I dunno
[2012-01-11 22:09:51] <Guile> We dont know anyone else that likes Silja that much. Of course, there's still the possibility of someone wanting us to THINK that
[2012-01-11 22:10:04] <BUTTZ> Armas might be playing an elaborate prank on himself
[2012-01-11 22:10:10] <Arkeus> Note Writer being Armas V, or being Amen, or Beinr Armas L, or Being OG have all been major theories
[2012-01-11 22:10:11] <BUTTZ> which I would not put past Armas
[2012-01-11 22:11:10] <Guile> I like that idea- I think we should use Shadowbro's selective memory ability to put into play an elaborate prank on ourself
[2012-01-11 22:11:15] <Abeo> There's also the theory that Armas V is Armas L
[2012-01-11 22:11:30] <Guile> set up the whole thing, then remove all memory of it, and have SB and Sake record us bumbling through it
[2012-01-11 22:11:37] <Arkeus> Abeo: that's been said 'no' by bob
[2012-01-11 22:11:38] <Guile> how often do you get to prank YOURSELF?
[2012-01-11 22:11:39] <Arkeus> quite a lot
[2012-01-11 22:11:46] <Arkeus> like, once a month, at least
[2012-01-11 22:11:48] <Abeo> still a theory
[2012-01-11 22:12:04] <Arkeus> Guile: nice
[2012-01-11 22:12:38] <Abeo> Think pranking ourself would get IT to give us any info?
[2012-01-11 22:12:52] <BUTTZ> So is Armas working his way toward a cooking trait like Grill Guru?
[2012-01-11 22:12:56] <BUTTZ> Only time will tell
[2012-01-11 22:13:07] <Guile> We learn the real identity of Note Writer, then go on an epic journey with the fate of the world on the line. Our friendships with Camella, BC, Hillevi and Lammy (they're all in on it) are tested to the limit, and we finally learn the meaning of love.
[2012-01-11 22:13:14] <Guile> and then it all turns out to be a massive troll
[2012-01-11 22:13:22] <Arkeus> lol
[2012-01-11 22:13:37] <Guile> needs more cookbooks, Buttz
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[2012-01-11 22:13:58] <Arkeus> Guile: to be honest, we probably haven't done a tenth of the receipes in this one
[2012-01-11 22:14:36] <Guile> We've been cooking out of it regularly for weeks, havent we? Even if they havent been mentioned, we must have been trying them out
[2012-01-11 22:14:56] <Guile> we need a cookbook entitled, 'How To Serve Man'
[2012-01-11 22:14:57] <Arkeus> weeks?
[2012-01-11 22:14:59] <Arkeus> what?
[2012-01-11 22:15:04] <Arkeus> we have been back less than a week
[2012-01-11 22:15:10] <Arkeus> Well, actually, we have just been back aweek
[2012-01-11 22:15:37] <Guile> the devil event was week 1. that was days ago
[2012-01-11 22:15:37] <Arkeus> I am pretty sure there is more than 5-6 receipes in a cookbooks
[2012-01-11 22:15:44] <Arkeus> the ones i know have a few hundreds
[2012-01-11 22:15:56] <Arkeus> Guile: nah, we are wednesday
[2012-01-11 22:15:59] <Guile> we can cook more than one recipe when we're feeding 20+ people
[2012-01-11 22:16:02] <Arkeus> we came back tuesday night
[2012-01-11 22:17:10] <Arkeus> Guile, Armas couldn't have done more than ten reciepes
[2012-01-11 22:17:14] <Arkeus> take too much times
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[2012-01-11 22:17:26] <Arkeus> unless he does like 5 receipes at a time, and mess them all up
[2012-01-11 22:18:30] <Guile> depends on complexity, I guess. The average meal for 4-6 people can include a main dish and 2-4 sides or appetizers
[2012-01-11 22:18:48] <Guile> for 20? That is some hard-core difficulty
[2012-01-11 22:18:54] <Arkeus> and an appetizer took armas over two hours to make
[2012-01-11 22:19:09] <Arkeus> So he basically just does one big thing in mass
[2012-01-11 22:20:25] <BUTTZ> Didn't he do an 11 course meal for the Russians the other day?
[2012-01-11 22:20:26] <Abeo> I fully expect Camella to question our sanity.
[2012-01-11 22:20:36] <BUTTZ> Camella usually does that though
[2012-01-11 22:20:46] <Arkeus> BUTTZ: if he did, that must have taken quite a bit of time
[2012-01-11 22:21:14] <Guile> even with Boris and others as sous chef
[2012-01-11 22:21:59] <Arkeus> Boris, our very own stay-at-home Russian
[2012-01-11 22:22:14] <BUTTZ> He'll make someone a fine wife one day
[2012-01-11 22:22:23] <Abeo> Big Crazy/Boris
[2012-01-11 22:22:26] <Abeo> I'm shipping it
[2012-01-11 22:22:27] <Bob> Update
[2012-01-11 22:22:32] <Bob> may be a bit shitty
[2012-01-11 22:22:42] <Bob> developed impressive migraine from billing fiasco
[2012-01-11 22:22:45] <Bob> that's still unresolved
[2012-01-11 22:22:49] <Arkeus> damn bob
[2012-01-11 22:22:56] <Arkeus> hopes it's not too shitty
[2012-01-11 22:23:00] <Arkeus> (the fiasco)
[2012-01-11 22:23:42] <Guile> so, dont suppose Titus is queued to do that thing I said? I dont remember it saying that in-quest
[2012-01-11 22:24:16] <Bob> Well, a heating and plumbing repair company has been consistently slow/late to get back to me, has not met a single one of their promises-and, after requesting the bill for the initial inspection and failing to receive it for a week of back and forth they billed me
[2012-01-11 22:24:41] <Bob> $148 for a one-room inspection that was 17minutes of inspection, 3 minutes of 'oh I went to high school with you'
[2012-01-11 22:24:50] <Arkeus> bastard
[2012-01-11 22:24:54] <Guile> ouch
[2012-01-11 22:25:03] <Bob> It has... frustrated me.
[2012-01-11 22:25:09] <Arkeus> Also, bob, Igor not heard my mental cry for queuing?
[2012-01-11 22:25:12] <Guile> plumbers bills are nasty
[2012-01-11 22:25:12] <Bob> Especially since the guy that owns the business is an old friend of my dad
[2012-01-11 22:25:19] <Bob> so I can't use my big asshole guns on them
[2012-01-11 22:25:24] <Bob> I have to try to politely resolve this.
[2012-01-11 22:25:27] <Arkeus> Wow, that's pretty shitty
[2012-01-11 22:26:05] <Arkeus> >[Camella]"....REALLY wished you lied more often so I could just write this off as a prank."  <= so she IS gettign aware we are not lying much
[2012-01-11 22:26:12] <Wutenheimer> WELP, OFF TO WORK
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[2012-01-11 22:26:41] <Bob> My concern was more: 'How does Igor know how to make modern armor?  That's not his armor deal unless he's 180'd since last we spoke'
[2012-01-11 22:26:52] <Bob> It'd be like Vlad trying to make swords instead of gunsmithing
[2012-01-11 22:26:56] <Bob> I'd go 'wut'?
[2012-01-11 22:27:09] <Guile> hows that saying go, if you want to fool someone, start with an outrageous truth, and scale up from there- the wilder the thing that still happens to be true, the less likely they will be to doubt your word in the future
[2012-01-11 22:27:09] <Arkeus> mmmh, ok
[2012-01-11 22:27:17] <Arkeus> Very good point
[2012-01-11 22:27:24] <Bob> Unless by Armored jacket you meant 'boiled leather jerkin with plates/studs'
[2012-01-11 22:27:27] <Arkeus> I'll have to look again at those links
[2012-01-11 22:27:27] <Bob> then THAT, I could support
[2012-01-11 22:27:36] <Bob> since it's specific to his skillset
[2012-01-11 22:27:47] <BUTTZ> You know, the spook doesn't actually know what Armas sounds like
[2012-01-11 22:27:48] <Arkeus> Yeah, i'll try to find something more specific Igor could look into
[2012-01-11 22:27:59] <Bob> But I assumed you meant ballistically armored jacket.
[2012-01-11 22:28:10] <BUTTZ> We could just use any of the men in the mansion
[2012-01-11 22:28:22] <Arkeus> I meant putting metal plates/whatever in a jacket as a beginning, actually
[2012-01-11 22:28:28] <Arkeus> but, yeah, should look into it more
[2012-01-11 22:28:29] <Bob> Oh
[2012-01-11 22:28:49] <Bob> well, metal plates attached to jackets and such USUALLY are not good armor.
[2012-01-11 22:29:06] <Arkeus> Yeah, hence me not thinking things out enough.
[2012-01-11 22:29:15] <Arkeus> He would have to learn more about this i expect
[2012-01-11 22:29:21] <Arkeus> And, myself too
[2012-01-11 22:29:44] <Arkeus> any reactions on Camella you cna give us?
[2012-01-11 22:29:49] <Arkeus> especially ones to the letter?
[2012-01-11 22:29:58] <Bob> You know, I THINK Lamellar armor, while time consuming and expensive to make, requires less... involved smithing tools to make, since you're always dealing with smaller pieces of metal.
[2012-01-11 22:30:46] <Bob> Camella has not yet read the letter-she had actually convinced the Russians to hold a party about the successful mission the other night-they were all assuming you'd just come back late to kick off round 2 of the party
[2012-01-11 22:30:51] <Bob> sadly, Og had work for you
[2012-01-11 22:30:54] <Bob> so no party for Armas.
[2012-01-11 22:31:01] <Arkeus> Sadness
[2012-01-11 22:31:03] <Guile> what about Titus trying to negotiate with Armstar, or just buying the biggest, baddest taser on the market and wiring one up himself?
[2012-01-11 22:31:05] <Arkeus> She was being nice
[2012-01-11 22:31:06] <Arkeus> ;_;
[2012-01-11 22:31:26] <Bob> Guile: yeah okay I got no excuse for omitting that one.
[2012-01-11 22:31:40] <Bob> Well actually I do have excuses but that's all they are.
[2012-01-11 22:32:04] <Guile> its cool, I dont actually expect it to come up anytime soon, just wanted to make sure it didnt get lost in the shuffle
[2012-01-11 22:34:13] <Guile> us telling Camella to focus; good comedy
[2012-01-11 22:35:31] <Bob> http://i.imgur.com/U4rgt.jpg
[2012-01-11 22:36:14] <Guile> interesting. slightly creepy, not too much
[2012-01-11 22:36:22] <Guile> money makes up for creepiness a lot
[2012-01-11 22:36:51] <Bob> If you ever had car troubles, your neighbor cookie baker (neighbor to your apartment you should probably get the last of your stuff from, like clothes and pots and pans and such) would do that.  Not so much the creepy part as the 'oh my, I can see someone I am capable of helping, I guess I know what I'm doing!'
[2012-01-11 22:37:32] <Bob> Incidentally, that cookie baker is currently looking for some big strong men to help her get rid of an old couch.  She's too old to do it herself, most of her friends and family are dead and she'd bake you cookies for the help.
[2012-01-11 22:37:44] <Guile> good ol' crookie lady
[2012-01-11 22:37:51] <Bob> crookie?
[2012-01-11 22:37:54] <Bob> cookies for criminals
[2012-01-11 22:38:01] <Arkeus> lol
[2012-01-11 22:38:02] <Guile> "Russians! You have a mission!"
[2012-01-11 22:38:14] <Guile> "An old woman needs a couch moved! On the double!"
[2012-01-11 22:38:16] <Arkeus> We are definitely buying her a new house, aren't we?
[2012-01-11 22:38:23] <Bob> 'Why should we do this?'
[2012-01-11 22:38:29] <Bob> 'She'll bake you cookies'
[2012-01-11 22:38:33] <BUTTZ> "I'll get the biggest, burliest men I have, and Lyubov. She's pretty burly."
[2012-01-11 22:38:38] <Bob> Vlad nearly kills everyone else making sure he gets the job.
[2012-01-11 22:38:43] <Arkeus> lol
[2012-01-11 22:39:08] <Bob> 'DON'T GET IN THE WAY OF ME AND MY COOKIES!'
[2012-01-11 22:39:39] <Guile> is Vlad the size of Bigfoot on steroids? I noticed he and one other guy moved like 350 pounds of stuff
[2012-01-11 22:40:47] <Bob> Vlad's taller than Armas and is over 300lbs
[2012-01-11 22:40:52] <Bob> he's a shithouse
[2012-01-11 22:41:01] <Bob> but made of vodka
[2012-01-11 22:41:11] <Guile> so, all in all, better than a brick shithouse
[2012-01-11 22:41:28] <Abeo> a shitfacedhouse
[2012-01-11 22:41:30] <Arkeus> ANOTHER PERSON TO LEARN SUPER-VENTRILOQUISM FROM
[2012-01-11 22:41:32] <Arkeus> HELL YEAH
[2012-01-11 22:42:06] <Guile> good one, abeo
[2012-01-11 22:42:18] <Abeo> thanks
[2012-01-11 22:42:19] <Guile> its a bit of a schlep from istanbul, ark
[2012-01-11 22:42:39] <Arkeus> schlep?
[2012-01-11 22:42:43] <Arkeus> Also, gotta love Sake and SB
[2012-01-11 22:42:45] <Arkeus> Trolling Armas
[2012-01-11 22:42:46] <Arkeus> :D
[2012-01-11 22:43:31] <Bob> It should work.  Probably.  Don't worry!
[2012-01-11 22:43:32] <Arkeus> Mmmh interesting
[2012-01-11 22:43:38] <Bob> You're fucking with me aren't you?
[2012-01-11 22:43:42] <Arkeus> so it takes THAT much concentration even with internal manip
[2012-01-11 22:43:43] <Bob> Oh fuck yes we are.
[2012-01-11 22:44:00] <Arkeus> *Wiggle Wiggle*
[2012-01-11 22:44:35] <Bob> The idea to make 'themes' you use is dead on though-the more you use and familiarize yourself with a given spiritual guise, the easier it is to use
[2012-01-11 22:44:36] <Bob> AH
[2012-01-11 22:44:38] <Bob> perfect example
[2012-01-11 22:44:42] <Bob> think of soul guises like accents
[2012-01-11 22:44:51] <Abeo> We should corner Have-Not-Man and ask him about the animals
[2012-01-11 22:44:53] <Arkeus> Yeah, that's what i thought, more or less
[2012-01-11 22:44:55] <Bob> when you first try to 'pick one up' you have to concentrate on it all the fucking time
[2012-01-11 22:45:06] <Bob> but use it enough-change between them easy as pie, hardly any focus
[2012-01-11 22:45:19] <Arkeus> I know that there is atheme in GfH where the more acclimated Armas is at something that demands focus, the easier for him it is to do it
[2012-01-11 22:45:34] <Ironybot> That hardly souns like something that we can cheat our way into mastery of in a matter of hours at all, Bob.
[2012-01-11 22:45:38] <Arkeus> Yeah, this Have-Not seems to have real trobule
[2012-01-11 22:45:44] <Arkeus> and maybe Have-Man is actually dead wrong
[2012-01-11 22:45:55] <Abeo> Seems like he needs some cash to go back home or something?
[2012-01-11 22:45:59] <Bob> 'Magic Memory', or at least the analog of 'Muscle Memory' most certainly exists-and building it is nearly always a good idea.
[2012-01-11 22:46:09] <Abeo> We could probably buy the right to hunt on his territory, plus info on it, for pretty cheap
[2012-01-11 22:46:22] <Bob> That depends how you look at it Ironybot
[2012-01-11 22:46:26] <Arkeus> Abeo: sidequest
[2012-01-11 22:46:29] <Arkeus> be careful
[2012-01-11 22:46:39] <Bob> Already you are a master in that while maintaining an image-there's not much that will realize it's not the real thing
[2012-01-11 22:46:41] <Bob> not many at all
[2012-01-11 22:46:42] <Abeo> Except there's a decent cahnce it's mainquest
[2012-01-11 22:47:02] <Bob> so all that you AREN'T master in about that-is the efficiency of maintaining the image.
[2012-01-11 22:47:10] <Arkeus> bob: can shit-tier dragons pierce oru soul stealth?
[2012-01-11 22:47:23] <Abeo> We'd need to question him about it, obviously. Ask whereabouts it is. Might line up with one of the areas we'd been told was more dangerous recently
[2012-01-11 22:47:28] <Bob> I'm getting a bit tired of repeatedly answering that one.
[2012-01-11 22:47:35] <Bob> Not directing that at you specifically Arkeus
[2012-01-11 22:47:37] <Abeo> If Amen couldn't....
[2012-01-11 22:47:44] <Bob> but I've been asked that question more than five times now.
[2012-01-11 22:47:45] <Ironybot> I guess we should look into getting ourselves a nevernever pocket where we can cool around and practice playing cards while swapping images for a few months.
[2012-01-11 22:47:58] <Ironybot> Tool around. Excuse me.
[2012-01-11 22:48:08] <Arkeus> Armas really need a trait for 'durable focus'
[2012-01-11 22:48:10] <Arkeus> but, hell
[2012-01-11 22:48:15] <Arkeus> that's on,e he won't get
[2012-01-11 22:48:17] <Arkeus> most likely
[2012-01-11 22:48:22] <BUTTZ> Or we could just get by on less sleep now
[2012-01-11 22:48:40] <Bob> answer is: without someone or something to give them a genuine, honest reason to think your soul is deception-not just a suspicion of it, but a dude going 'that fuck's soul is DEFINITELY FAKE, and should be something like......', then no, they could not.
[2012-01-11 22:48:47] <Ironybot> Well, if we spend long enough trying to maintain images like this one and simultaneously do things we might eventually get a sort of iron mind.
[2012-01-11 22:48:47] <Arkeus> Bob: you... have? damn, i must have seen the answer then
[2012-01-11 22:48:51] <Arkeus> And somehwo forgot about it
[2012-01-11 22:48:59] <Arkeus> Sorry about that
[2012-01-11 22:49:23] <Bob> Ironybot: please, where's your Armas mindset?
[2012-01-11 22:49:33] <Bob> That doesn't sound like a cheap exploit workaround at all.
[2012-01-11 22:49:38] <Ironybot> I know!
[2012-01-11 22:49:44] <Arkeus> Mmmh, that probably means they would need to go full-out on powerfing their soul perception *and* already know the soul is a fake
[2012-01-11 22:49:48] <Arkeus> that's... pretty good
[2012-01-11 22:50:09] <TMIoverload> So, I'm thinking Havenots hunting area is quite likely where the Dreamer is. Ask him about it and see if it matches up with either of the two areas we've been told about
[2012-01-11 22:50:13] <Arkeus> It also means Armas must get in the habit of always having the same false soul on
[2012-01-11 22:50:22] <Bob> It DOES mean that even one person in a group that meets the conditions can, if they get vocal, fuck your soul guise for the entire group
[2012-01-11 22:50:25] <Abeo> So we find a really focused dude, right? Then we trick him into signing over his soul or some shit. But we're nice, so we just cut out his focus and clumsily graft it to our own soul
[2012-01-11 22:50:25] <Bob> just be aware of that.
[2012-01-11 22:50:27] <Ironybot> My only exploit for this is to use nevernever pocket time cheats and do things quickly by effectively doing them the hard way while in a time bubble.
[2012-01-11 22:50:32] <Guile> Is 'Have's' name van Pelt by any chance? He seems like a van Pelt to me
[2012-01-11 22:50:36] <Arkeus> and go back to the false 'default' one after using our soul stealth to do other stuff
[2012-01-11 22:51:00] <Arkeus> so people will think our soul stealt hare about other false ones, and think the 'default false one' is actually the true one
[2012-01-11 22:51:28] <Guile> potentially useful, although we could only really trick people who spend a lot of time with us that way
[2012-01-11 22:52:06] <Arkeus> <Bob> It DOES mean that even one person in a group that meets the conditions can, if they get vocal, fuck your soul guise for the entire group <= huh, any group at all? even one of low-power people?
[2012-01-11 22:52:21] <Abeo> We should really try an "unnoticeable" or "unnotable" template for our soul
[2012-01-11 22:52:38] <Arkeus> Guile: that's mostly for it to be a 'known' thing
[2012-01-11 22:52:44] <Bob> Well the power only is even relevant to things that sense souls, so there's a certain minimum threshold for any possible person or thing it'd be applied to to begin with.
[2012-01-11 22:52:48] <Abeo> not just normal, but like, supernaturally unlikely to be noticed
[2012-01-11 22:53:05] <Arkeus> I mean, if we meet people with different souls everyday, they will DEFINITELY know something is up
[2012-01-11 22:53:51] <Arkeus> (If Armas 'has' a different soul everyday, i mean)
[2012-01-11 22:54:05] <Abeo> I'm thinking we can troll Camella by doing that.
[2012-01-11 22:54:16] <Guile> I wonder if we could draw in the image of Sake and Hummingbro's souls to hide ours
[2012-01-11 22:54:19] <BUTTZ> She's sharp, no doubt about that
[2012-01-11 22:54:34] <Abeo> Her senses seem a bit too instinctual at this point to really understand what's up. She'll just know that we feel "off"
[2012-01-11 22:54:46] <Guile> our if we created a soul image identical to our surroundings, if that would provide a cameleon effect- or if souls are still noticeable as souls, no matter what they look like
[2012-01-11 22:55:04] <Arkeus> 'our' Guile?
[2012-01-11 22:55:05] <BUTTZ> We have got to tell her about the "if you're in real trouble, just pray to me" trick
[2012-01-11 22:55:08] <Guile> or*
[2012-01-11 22:55:22] <Abeo> Man, this sure would all be much easier to test if we could see our own damn soul
[2012-01-11 22:55:44] <Arkeus> Yeah, i am thinking we should have a default false souls, and then change soul on the fly during a fight depending on what w want to do
[2012-01-11 22:56:20] <Arkeus> Also, bob, not sure i understand- it seemed that Amen was sort of saying that our soul-stealth could sort of 'change' someone's memory of how it was even a second ago
[2012-01-11 22:56:34] <Arkeus> so changing it for different stuff in front of someone could still work
[2012-01-11 22:56:39] <Arkeus> or did i misunderstand?
[2012-01-11 22:56:50] <Abeo> Ugh. Learning to use our soul powers is probably going to take actual effort and time. Wish it were easy like the chakras....
[2012-01-11 22:57:20] <Arkeus> Our Soul/Flesh powers are goingto be Armas' main powerset
[2012-01-11 22:57:29] <Guile> you mean the one where we blundered in, tore our soul in half and tossed it into the Dark?
[2012-01-11 22:57:36] <Arkeus> Of course it is going to take time and effort, as well as cheating
[2012-01-11 22:57:44] <Abeo> Easy like the chakras are NOW
[2012-01-11 22:58:08] <Arkeus> And Armas is probably VERY gifted with his soul manip
[2012-01-11 22:58:14] <Arkeus> He just has no clue what's going on
[2012-01-11 22:58:28] <Arkeus> but thanks to TMI, we made a huge leap
[2012-01-11 22:59:01] <Abeo> I guess so
[2012-01-11 22:59:45] <Arkeus> oh right, i had another question to bob earlier on
[2012-01-11 23:01:34] <Arkeus> can't find it :-(
[2012-01-11 23:02:12] <Arkeus> <Arkeus> >[Camella]"....REALLY wished you lied more often so I could just write this off as a prank."  <= so she IS gettign aware we are not lying much <= i am interested by that, btw
[2012-01-11 23:06:52] <BUTTZ> No doubt if her bloodline develops along detection lines she'll be able to do lie detection
[2012-01-11 23:06:56] <BUTTZ> Seems very much in her nature
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[2012-01-11 23:16:34] <Shot__> >Bob doesn't use image or imbed video >Almost miss update
[2012-01-11 23:21:38] <Abeo> Not that truth sense would help her deal with Armas
[2012-01-11 23:23:00] <Arkeus> iit will just mess up her mind more
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[2012-01-11 23:34:35] <Arkeus> Oh right bob, i remember my question now: Once someone becomes a 'less', can he improves his 'less'-itude? i seem to remember you saying that for Soulless it was impossible, but it might not be the case for mindless and deathless
[2012-01-11 23:35:37] <BossOrkDaTroy> Wait, you want to become more less?
[2012-01-11 23:35:49] <Arkeus> >[Camella]"About that-did you know she thinks Sean Connery really is James Bond-and is still that young?"
[2012-01-11 23:35:49] <Arkeus> "May or may not be having my call traced. Focus?" <= Armas telling Camella to Focus. +100 Troll point
[2012-01-11 23:36:22] <BossOrkDaTroy> Does he need to keep track of those anymore?
[2012-01-11 23:36:35] <Bob> The thing is -less is a title, like Imperial.  The power it labels can grow, but it's still a title.
[2012-01-11 23:37:10] <Arkeus> is it a title independant of testing, or do you need to 'prove' you have it?
[2012-01-11 23:38:06] <Arkeus> And, i seem to remember you saying that once someone becomes soulless, he can't improve it. Maybe it was more that he can't find a better 'way' to become soulless, but can improve in his own way, though.
[2012-01-11 23:51:34] <Abeo> soulless "sounds" like a really terrible choice for Armas
[2012-01-11 23:51:53] <Arkeus> how so?
[2012-01-11 23:52:05] <Abeo> Too bad we don't understand what any of the terms really mean
[2012-01-11 23:52:13] <Ironybot> Because the name "soulless" makes it sound like he has no soul and so many of his powers are soul based.
[2012-01-11 23:52:19] <Abeo> His bloodline is soul-based
[2012-01-11 23:52:28] <Arkeus> Ah right, that.
[2012-01-11 23:52:43] <Arkeus> Well, Soulles is more 'fucking hard to hurt his soul"
[2012-01-11 23:52:55] <Arkeus> I thought it was 'impossible', but apparently not.
[2012-01-11 23:53:19] <Arkeus> As a rule of thumb, bob said a good way to check if you are a 'less' is try to kill yourself, and fail
[2012-01-11 23:53:19] <Abeo> I could see Armas reaching that as a super-extension of Amorphous Soul
[2012-01-11 23:53:28] <Abeo> ...nice
[2012-01-11 23:53:45] <Arkeus> Yeah, bob did say Armophous soul could lead us on a mainline path to Soulless
[2012-01-11 23:53:50] <Arkeus> or cut ourself off from it
[2012-01-11 23:53:57] <Arkeus> depending on our 'choices'
[2012-01-11 23:53:58] <Abeo> Having a soul so fluid in nature that harming it is like trying to harm water would work really nicely with our Romanov
[2012-01-11 23:54:34] <Abeo> Looks like more RESEARCH
[2012-01-11 23:54:50] <Arkeus> Being high-tier Soulless, if played right and having sufficient energy, could mean Armas would only fear mind attacks
[2012-01-11 23:55:03] <Arkeus> And even then, i expect Armas to find ways to defends against those
[2012-01-11 23:55:32] <Abeo> seems like the easiest form of attack to defend against with the use of charms
[2012-01-11 23:55:42] <Arkeus> I doubt it
[2012-01-11 23:55:57] <Arkeus> I doubt BB's "Mind immunity" charm is truly "mind immunity"
[2012-01-11 23:56:04] <Abeo> A soul-defense charm sounds ridiculously expensive/difficult to make
[2012-01-11 23:56:44] <Arkeus> Ironybot: incidentally, 'buff charms' are called 'enhancement charms'
[2012-01-11 23:56:49] <Abeo> And dobily defense chamrs seem quite varied, as do their gaps in protection
[2012-01-11 23:57:01] <Abeo> *bodily defense charms
[2012-01-11 23:57:12] <BUTTZ> You know how you harm water?
[2012-01-11 23:57:15] <BUTTZ> You boil it
[2012-01-11 23:57:22] <BUTTZ> And you keep it as steam
[2012-01-11 23:57:26] <Abeo> Or freeze it
[2012-01-11 23:57:44] <Arkeus> how does that harm it?
[2012-01-11 23:57:54] <Abeo> freeze and then break it apart
[2012-01-11 23:57:54] <BUTTZ> It's not liquid anymore
[2012-01-11 23:58:06] <Arkeus> It's not 'harmed' though
[2012-01-11 23:59:07] <BUTTZ> It's not a body of water though, it's little drops of vapor or chunks of ice
[2012-01-11 23:59:20] <Abeo> Maybe not, but it wont interface properly with anything it was part of anymore
[2012-01-11 23:59:43] <Arkeus> depends on how you set it up
[2012-01-11 23:59:54] <Abeo> boil the water in a bowl and, sure, the water isn't "harmed" but it isn't in the bowl anymore