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  1. [2/19/14 1:47:20 PM] ʎǝoɾ: ʎǝoɾ has shared contact details with Verlis Wolf.
  2. [2/19/14 1:47:26 PM] ʎǝoɾ: Hello
  3. [2/19/14 1:47:40 PM] ʎǝoɾ: I saw that you wanted to have 2 smogonites and two vgc in this "debate"
  4. [2/19/14 1:47:58 PM] ʎǝoɾ: I have already talked to two smogonites so they are definitely in
  5. [2/19/14 1:48:08 PM] ʎǝoɾ: I also am friends with the VGC national champ
  6. [2/19/14 1:48:22 PM] ʎǝoɾ: Who I BELIEVE would be the best to be on "your side"
  7. [2/19/14 1:52:06 PM] ʎǝoɾ: since they know VGC better than anyone
  8. [2/19/14 1:53:38 PM] Verlis Wolf: well I dont know anyone else that is popular, is he actually on "my side" though
  9. [2/19/14 1:54:40 PM] ʎǝoɾ: he is the VGC national champ
  10. [2/19/14 1:55:06 PM] Verlis Wolf: but he could be a smogon fan that just plays vgc
  11. [2/19/14 1:55:12 PM] ʎǝoɾ: …
  12. [2/19/14 1:55:16 PM] ʎǝoɾ: but he knows vgc best
  13. [2/19/14 1:55:17 PM] ʎǝoɾ: lol
  14. [2/19/14 1:55:58 PM] Verlis Wolf: it would be best o have someone that has my opinion
  15. [2/19/14 1:56:36 PM] ʎǝoɾ: that
  16. [2/19/14 1:56:48 PM] ʎǝoɾ: what…it would be best to have someone that knows VGC inside and out
  17. [2/19/14 1:56:57 PM] ʎǝoɾ: Especially since that is your argument
  18. [2/19/14 1:57:00 PM] Verlis Wolf: I know it very well aswell
  19. [2/19/14 1:57:06 PM] ʎǝoɾ: You don't
  20. [2/19/14 1:57:08 PM] ʎǝoɾ: have the reqs
  21. [2/19/14 1:57:13 PM] ʎǝoɾ: these people do though
  22. [2/19/14 1:57:15 PM] Verlis Wolf: wow
  23. [2/19/14 1:57:18 PM] Verlis Wolf: srs?
  24. [2/19/14 1:57:24 PM] ʎǝoɾ: ARE YOU A VGC NATIONAL CHAMPION?
  25. [2/19/14 1:57:26 PM] ʎǝoɾ: YES IM SERIOUS
  26. [2/19/14 1:57:42 PM] Verlis Wolf: so I need to be a vgc national champion to be able to say I know vgc
  27. [2/19/14 1:58:00 PM] ʎǝoɾ: no...?
  28. [2/19/14 1:58:05 PM] Verlis Wolf: I also dont want this guy to be a smogon main and turn on me mid converstation
  29. [2/19/14 1:58:07 PM] ʎǝoɾ: i just said that he has
  30. [2/19/14 1:58:14 PM] ʎǝoɾ: the most requirements
  31. [2/19/14 1:58:16 PM] ʎǝoɾ: to be
  32. [2/19/14 1:58:18 PM] ʎǝoɾ: in the call...
  33. [2/19/14 1:58:46 PM] Verlis Wolf: also I would like to find a way to structure this as a debate, pose a question have statements and whatnot
  34. [2/19/14 1:58:58 PM] Verlis Wolf: timed discussion to voice
  35. [2/19/14 1:59:07 PM] ʎǝoɾ: Already made like 30 questions that
  36. [2/19/14 1:59:09 PM] ʎǝoɾ: are un bias
  37. [2/19/14 1:59:13 PM] ʎǝoɾ: i'll pass you
  38. [2/19/14 1:59:14 PM] ʎǝoɾ: the pb
  39. [2/19/14 1:59:19 PM] ʎǝoɾ: though i'm heading out soon
  40. [2/19/14 1:59:59 PM] Verlis Wolf: K, this should be worked out over a day or two and not jumped into
  41. [2/19/14 2:00:08 PM] ʎǝoɾ: I agree. i'm not gonna be here today anyway
  42. [2/19/14 2:00:39 PM] Verlis Wolf: well give me the nationals contact so we can start discussing
  43. [2/19/14 2:01:01 PM] ʎǝoɾ: i have to let him know when he gets on
  44. [2/19/14 2:01:08 PM] ʎǝoɾ: don't wanna send him a random request..
  45. [2/19/14 2:04:35 PM] ʎǝoɾ: Also tbh
  46. [2/19/14 2:05:25 PM] ʎǝoɾ: I think it is just best that we have the vgc people who know it best and have gotten farthest, even if they are or are not "on your side," because they would give the most unbias opinion about this and about VGC
  47. [2/19/14 2:06:58 PM] Verlis Wolf: Its a debate, Im not looking for unbais on my side
  48. [2/19/14 2:07:09 PM] ʎǝoɾ: it's a discussion honestly.
  49. [2/19/14 2:07:16 PM] ʎǝoɾ: We are looking for people who best support
  50. [2/19/14 2:07:18 PM] ʎǝoɾ: VGC
  51. [2/19/14 2:07:18 PM] ʎǝoɾ: the role of
  52. [2/19/14 2:07:22 PM] ʎǝoɾ: and Smogon
  53. [2/19/14 2:07:47 PM] ʎǝoɾ: Yes there will be questions
  54. [2/19/14 2:07:58 PM] ʎǝoɾ: To talk about our opinions on but i'm not like
  55. [2/19/14 2:08:09 PM] ʎǝoɾ: Yelling at you or anything ._.
  56. [2/19/14 2:08:38 PM] Verlis Wolf: its one of those comfortzones from bringing someone to my side
  57. [2/19/14 2:09:24 PM] ʎǝoɾ: But this is about getting right down to it. You always talk about vgc this and vgc that, so why not have someone who knows and has proven that they know VGC best??
  58. [2/19/14 2:09:54 PM] Verlis Wolf: because its also about not having smogon affiliaton
  59. [2/19/14 2:10:18 PM] ʎǝoɾ: But the best VGC players such as sixonesix and others
  60. [2/19/14 2:10:22 PM] ʎǝoɾ: follow smogon...
  61. [2/19/14 2:10:44 PM] ʎǝoɾ: i'm not bringing 616 but
  62. [2/19/14 2:10:46 PM] ʎǝoɾ: i'm just saying
  63. [2/19/14 2:11:39 PM] Verlis Wolf: The discussion shouldnt have to be based of skill as a determinatino of experience
  64. [2/19/14 2:12:07 PM] ʎǝoɾ: But their skill is shown through their experience?
  65. [2/19/14 2:12:54 PM] Verlis Wolf: yes, but that not what makes them a necesity. I dont even know the topic and questions, so Im not even sure if we are on the right page and what person I should look for to bring
  66. [2/19/14 2:14:02 PM] ʎǝoɾ: But if you claim to know VGC shouldn't finding others that KNOW vgc be a necessity? Again it isn't a debate, it is a discussion. We are trying to get well known smogonites opinions on the things you are saying as well as well known VGC champs
  67. [2/19/14 2:14:40 PM] Verlis Wolf: because Im not thinking vgc vs smogon Im talking about "Is smogon needed" "are they making the right decisions" "posisitvely influencing the community" etc
  68. [2/19/14 2:15:24 PM] ʎǝoɾ: As prominent VGC players they should be able to state what they think, especially based on their vgc experience.
  69. [2/19/14 2:15:47 PM] Verlis Wolf: if they will speak for smogon in anyway, they are yours
  70. [2/19/14 2:17:47 PM] ʎǝoɾ: You don't seem to understand. You believe that you represent what VGC people believe about smogon. I'm trying to get unbias opinions that have not watched the video, that can answer the questions, that are well known in VGC as well as on Smogon, that way we can get a creative discussion going. To prove you or me wrong
  71. [2/19/14 2:18:28 PM] Verlis Wolf: again, need to talk with them first
  72. [2/19/14 2:18:53 PM] ʎǝoɾ: Since it isn't a debate
  73. [2/19/14 2:18:59 PM] ʎǝoɾ: it's a discussion
  74. [2/19/14 2:19:02 PM] ʎǝoɾ: wouldn't it be better just to add them
  75. [2/19/14 2:19:04 PM] ʎǝoɾ: to a call
  76. [2/19/14 2:19:06 PM] ʎǝoɾ: And talk about this
  77. [2/19/14 2:19:10 PM] ʎǝoɾ: lol
  78. [2/19/14 2:19:21 PM] Verlis Wolf: no, they can't be proven as a neutral party
  79. [2/19/14 2:19:21 PM] ʎǝoɾ: Asking them questions
  80. [2/19/14 2:19:28 PM] ʎǝoɾ: They havent
  81. [2/19/14 2:19:30 PM] ʎǝoɾ: watched the video...
  82. [2/19/14 2:19:53 PM] Verlis Wolf: its the discussion overall, its not only the video I want to discuss
  83. [2/19/14 2:20:06 PM] ʎǝoɾ: BUT what makes them neutral is that they haven't seen what you have said
  84. [2/19/14 2:20:08 PM] ʎǝoɾ: they would be answering
  85. [2/19/14 2:20:10 PM] Verlis Wolf: I feel its best for me bringing a mid level player that has been affected by smogon
  86. [2/19/14 2:20:10 PM] ʎǝoɾ: questions blindly
  87. [2/19/14 2:20:35 PM] ʎǝoɾ: you can, but i'ma bring the two smogonites and the vgc champ since I believe they will give the best representation
  88. [2/19/14 2:21:15 PM] Verlis Wolf: my platform is 2 people each, thats it
  89. [2/19/14 2:21:21 PM] ʎǝoɾ: what?
  90. [2/19/14 2:21:22 PM] ʎǝoɾ: this isnt
  91. [2/19/14 2:21:23 PM] Verlis Wolf: you and 1 other
  92. [2/19/14 2:21:24 PM] ʎǝoɾ: a debate.
  93. [2/19/14 2:21:29 PM] ʎǝoɾ: ...
  94. [2/19/14 2:21:50 PM] ʎǝoɾ: i'm bringing two smogonites and the vgc champ. bring whoever you want
  95. [2/19/14 2:22:05 PM] Verlis Wolf: trying to create a neutral setup. It has to be structured like a debate for anything to get accomplished
  96. [2/19/14 2:22:41 PM] ʎǝoɾ: and i'm trying to show you what vgc players andsmogonites think...
  97. [2/19/14 2:22:42 PM] ʎǝoɾ: you can bring
  98. [2/19/14 2:22:44 PM] ʎǝoɾ: whoever you want
  99. [2/19/14 2:22:54 PM] ʎǝoɾ: i'm bringing who i said i was gonna bring
  100. [2/19/14 2:22:56 PM] ʎǝoɾ: from the beginning
  101. [2/19/14 2:23:18 PM] Verlis Wolf: thats pretty much taking my proposal and doing it how you want to
  102. [2/19/14 2:23:30 PM] ʎǝoɾ: IT WAS MY PROPOSAL TO BEGIN WITH
  103. [2/19/14 2:23:34 PM] ʎǝoɾ: DID YOU NOT ADD ME ON SKYPE
  104. [2/19/14 2:23:41 PM] ʎǝoɾ: BECAUSE OF THE COMMENT I LEFT ON YOUR VIDEO LOL
  105. [2/19/14 2:24:24 PM] ʎǝoɾ: i use caps
  106. [2/19/14 2:24:26 PM] ʎǝoɾ: when i get excited
  107. [2/19/14 2:24:27 PM] ʎǝoɾ: sorry
  108. [2/19/14 2:24:56 PM] Verlis Wolf: I added you for my idea of a 2 on 2 debate
  109. [2/19/14 2:25:18 PM] ʎǝoɾ: Make it 3 on 3 then
  110. [2/19/14 2:25:22 PM] ʎǝoɾ: So you can have the vgc champ
  111. [2/19/14 2:25:24 PM] ʎǝoɾ: ur mid player
  112. [2/19/14 2:25:25 PM] ʎǝoɾ: and you
  113. [2/19/14 2:25:31 PM] ʎǝoɾ: vs me the two smogonites
  114. [2/19/14 2:25:31 PM] ʎǝoɾ: again
  115. [2/19/14 2:25:33 PM] Verlis Wolf: no, thats too many people
  116. [2/19/14 2:25:33 PM] ʎǝoɾ: i dont know
  117. [2/19/14 2:25:34 PM] ʎǝoɾ: how they feel
  118. [2/19/14 2:25:36 PM] ʎǝoɾ: How?
  119. [2/19/14 2:25:37 PM] ʎǝoɾ: It's 6
  120. [2/19/14 2:25:42 PM] ʎǝoɾ: and we are here to Hear
  121. [2/19/14 2:25:45 PM] ʎǝoɾ: what they have to say
  122. [2/19/14 2:25:46 PM] ʎǝoɾ: above all
  123. [2/19/14 2:26:36 PM] ʎǝoɾ: Anyway
  124. [2/19/14 2:26:57 PM] ʎǝoɾ: i'm out. When the time comes for this call I am bringing the two smogonites and the VGC champ. This isn't a debate. this is to hear what neutral parties
  125. [2/19/14 2:27:03 PM] ʎǝoɾ: feel about what you have said
  126. [2/19/14 2:27:09 PM] ʎǝoɾ: Feel free to come up with questions as well
  127. [2/19/14 2:27:28 PM] ʎǝoɾ: You can bring whoever you want
  128. [2/19/14 2:27:31 PM] ʎǝoɾ: i'm done
  129. [2/19/14 2:27:32 PM] ʎǝoɾ: later
  130. [2/19/14 2:27:47 PM] Verlis Wolf: Unfair setup, not happening without compromise
  131. [2/19/14 2:29:28 PM] ʎǝoɾ: the point is to see what they think about it….we have already voiced our opinions, now we are listening..please TRY YOUR HARDEST to understand this
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