<camerongray> Unless I was one of *those* people, who throws XP on it, fills it with junk software and advertises it as a "Ready to use internet PC"
<mopar> cool
<mopar> camerongray: i am not one of those people.
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<mopar> all i do is load the latest windows os it will support, max the ram and hdd, sometimes upgrade the cpu, and load missing drivers.
<camerongray> Falls in the same category as people buying old HP workstations, Using the faulty logic of Dual 2.5GHz Xeon = 5GHz, throw in a super low end NVIDIA card, installs a pirated OS, then sell it as "5GHz, Dual Core, Gaming PC with Windows 7 Ultimate"
<camerongray> I load the *licenced* OS :P
<mopar> also load java, .net, flash and reader. that's it.
<mopar> my xp is a valid vlk edition. home and pro.
<mopar> with matched key.
<Call-A-Farmer> although it is probably because I went for a snooze at 7:30 last night! left my light on and woke up again thinking it would be only about 9pm, looked at my phone and it was 12:45 :o I wasent even tired!
<mopar> and i don't fill it with <censored>. i leave it to the buyer tyo do that. eeewww
<funkychicken> mopar how do you get all that one a 500 k drive
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<mopar> the p3 m700 i sold had a 30gb hdd
<camerongray> mopar: But then you are one of *those* people - VLK = Pirated :P
<mopar> bullsht
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<camerongray> How?
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<camerongray> VLK is for volume licenced customers, a consumer does not have an MS volume licencing agreement
<mopar> on loan from licensed owner, a legitimate computer repair / rebuilder.
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<mopar> i repair service and refurb computers for him
<funkychicken> I remember when i was at work and they came in with a brand new 1 gig drive only 500 bucks I thought they would never fill it up  LOL
<mopar> lol
<funkychicken> back in 95
<funkychicken> seems like yesterday
<camerongray> mopar: What's 'on loan'?
<mopar> yeah. i remember using an apple IIe in school pc lab.
<Call-A-Farmer> cyaz!
<camerongray> You can't sell machines using a volume licence!  No way!
<funkychicken> I had a 286
<mopar> sometimes, as pay for work i do for him, he will give me a fixable computer and let me put xp on it with his disk.
<funkychicken> window 2.?
<funkychicken> i think
<mopar> idk for sure.
<camerongray> mopar: But even a volume licence customer can't sell machines running their volume licence!
<camerongray> Volume Licencing is for a big company to licence all their machined under one agreement, not sell them!
<funkychicken> cameron yes they can but it's not legal
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<camerongray> Call-A-Farmer: But do you agree to the licence agreement? :P
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<camerongray> AHh yeah, sure they can, they use VLKs as they don't need activated uner XP, but certianly illegal
<Call-A-Farmer> camerongray: :o
<camerongray> The machines I refurb on the other hand... My process:
<mopar> i think i've sold or given away 25 or 30 computers with xp pro in the last 4 years.
<camerongray> Still not licenced correctly!
<mopar> seems to me, if you refurb a comp, you can use the vlk edition of xp or whatever, unless it has a good coa on the bottom or side. then use that and validate over the phone.
<funkychicken> i bought a copy of win7 on ebay from a 5 star and got burned  GRRRR  stupid ebay wouldn't help at all
<camerongray> mopar: Not at all, that is not what Volume Licencing is for at all!
<camerongray> I fix them doing whatever is needed, install the licenced OS (Usually Vista) with the COA key, Enter Windows 'Audit Mode', Install all drivers from the manufacturer, Activate Windows either online or by phone, Install all Windows updates, then finally run Sysprep to put the machine back to the "out of box" environment
<camerongray> So when the user boots it, they are taken through the original Windows "Mini Setup" to add their user account.etc and they log in to a completely clean OS
<mopar> eewwww vista. i refuse to have anything to do with that, unless it's to wipe that trash.
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<mopar> funkychicken: why not?
<camerongray> I'd rather sell a machine with Vista rather than a pirated OS!
<camerongray> I know Wikipedia isn't the best source, but: "If a volume license key becomes known and used outside of the organization to which it is licensed, then this is regarded as software piracy"
<funkychicken> they said it's past 3 months and too bad so sad
<mopar> oh
<funkychicken> I tried to get more info on the seller but they wouldn't even give me that
<camerongray> Yeah, Volume licencing is for a single company to licence their OS - For example, my university is a Volume Licence customer for Office 2010 and Windows 7 Enterprise on all their machines
<funkychicken> they gave me dick all  and it cost me 250
<funkychicken> chick all  LOL
<mopar> if your comp had a valid win7 coa on it...bottom or side...you could have used a generic copy from a compshop for $5
<funkychicken> me mopar?
<mopar> well, the man i work for has been fixing computers since the late '80s'. so i guess he got it legally somehow.
<funkychicken> windows just sent me a notice saying my copy wasn't legit and I have to buy another one.  Grrrr
<mopar> funkychicken: yup
<camerongray> mopar: How do you know he got it legally?  In literally 10 seconds online I could find you a volume licence key!
<camerongray> And it would work fine
<camerongray> But not legal
<camerongray> The only way he can get one is for a large enterprise and that cannot be used for machines outwith that company
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<mopar> funkychicken: could you report it to microsoft as a victim of piracy and get some kind of remediation?
<funkychicken> I'm now running a new copy of windows7 pro from a friend and I got the none legit. but i have a copy of legit vista and said I want to upgrade to win 8  then they let me use the win7 pro  LOL
<camerongray> mopar: There we go, 10 seconds and found a list of 136 volume licence keys, I wonder where your one came from :P
<funkychicken> mopar no i even sent it back to them costme 10 bucks and I got nothing
<mopar> give it a rest you're like a dog with a chewtoy.
<mopar> funkychicken: oh. ok.
<camerongray> No, I just hate people that sell machines with pirated software!
<funkychicken> I suggest you sell computers with unbuntu on them  I like unbuntu
<camerongray> I like Linux, but not worth as much selling
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<funkychicken> i use three op systems right now I vista ultimate windows7pro and unbuntu
<camerongray> mopar: I'm selling properly licence Vista and XP machines, others are selling the same machines running pirated copies of Windows 7 which of course sell easier than mine as people don't realise - Can't you see how that annoys me?
<mopar> yeah