[12:11:03] <Drayka> So no way to swap kingdoms without access to those kingdoms.
[12:11:17] <Drayka> Via a deed
[12:11:28] <Drayka> Or a player
[12:11:34] <Cornchips> you can switch kingdoms
[12:11:36] <Cornchips> at the whitelight
[12:11:38] <Cornchips> and blacklight.
[12:11:49] <Drayka> What about the PMKs ?
[12:11:57] <Cornchips> invite only
[12:12:21] <Drayka> remote invite, or in-person ?
[12:12:42] <Cornchips> you have to convert in person
[12:13:17] <Cornchips> what're you trying to suggest
[12:15:23] <Drayka> An unaffiliated PvE server, where people could gain some skill before sailing to Elevation and joining a Kingdom. But it wouldn't work if they couldn't talk to anyone and get a feel for PvP epic
[12:15:41] <Drayka> No return to the PvE server after leaving it
[12:15:43] <Cornchips> uh...that's gonna be downvoted and unpopular...
[12:15:52] <Cornchips> you just go to a homeserver for that
[12:16:16] <Drayka> But PMKs don't have a homeserver
[12:16:30] <Cornchips> pmks are meant to be on elevation and stay there yea
[12:17:26] <Drayka> It's just so hard for Freedom players to switch to Epic and gain the benefit of their alternate account and try PvP.
[12:17:45] <Cornchips> you join up with the groups in every kingdom that help people out from the start
[12:17:57] <Cornchips> literally everyone on elevation would spoonfeed someone what they need
[12:19:12] <Drayka> There's just such a split in the game. So much fear about being murdered if you step through the Epic portal and rever to newbie status.
[12:19:19] <Drayka> revert*
[12:19:26] <Cornchips> but have you ever tried epic before
[12:19:36] <Cornchips> like just from how you talk I can tell you probably haven't
[12:19:44] <Cornchips> no one 'murders everyone' or 'is out to get you'
[12:20:22] <Drayka> I'm trying to challenge my preconceptions. No, I've never been to Epic.
[12:20:40] <Cornchips> so you're trying to suggest something that's the product of 100% misconceptions
[12:21:49] <Drayka> I'm researching. I don't have a reason to question what's real until I have a reason to check my facts.
[12:24:17] <Drayka> I'd like to see less misconception. It's so hard to learn about Epic from Freedom-side life. The unknown is demonised. And the wiki really doesn't help much in this respect.
[12:26:02] <Drayka> Freedom IS the soft option, easy to choose. And hard to change from.
[12:27:53] <Drayka> And there seems to be no way to learn about Epic, except ignoring misconceptions and plunging into the deep end. And most people never will.
[12:30:27] <Drayka> You can't just round up a few people and walk through an Epic portal and start a PMK with your friends from Freedom, you'd be slaughtered. Or so I'm told.
[12:32:31] <Drayka> So with no prospect of security, knowing no-one on Epic, or anything about Epic, who'd ever be brave enough to go ? Sign up blindly to a kingdom that you know nothing about ?
[12:33:16] <Drayka> Bad enough picking a PvE server to spawn on for the first time, with no information to go on.
[12:34:30] <Drayka> So how DO you persuade Freedomers to ever even try Epic ? Not that it's suitable for all.
[12:36:06] <Drayka> Or is Epic just a remenant of Rolf's original concept, and Wurm will eventually just become Freedom servers with the PvPers crammed into Chaos ?
[12:37:43] <Drayka> Is there any hope of rebalancing the game ?
[12:38:49] <Drayka> Is experiencing PvP a step forward, or a step back ?
[12:41:38] <Drayka> War, and fearing thy neighbour and all that is nasty, but what about being someone who will fight to achieve something noble ?
[12:43:09] <Drayka> Not as a mindless soldier who fights just because it's all they know, but a warrior or crusader for change.
[12:44:26] <Drayka> Someone who doesn't cower away from even the suggestion that they might be bullied.