10:28 <Minigunner>speaking of fraud and theft
10:28 <Cage_AK>much edge. such cutting. wow
10:28 <Jimmy_>so wait
10:29 <Jimmy_>people see a knockoff console being made by some random guy and think it might be legit?
10:29 <Minigunner>fucking hell, the way Jaxxoon R got offended at you showing your work and not wanting someone else to use it for their project
10:29 <Alter`>yes Jimmy
10:29 <Minigunner>like, he basically states the ZDoom community's mindset in a nutshell
10:30 <Cage_AK>you know what
10:30 <Cage_AK>I've had so many discussions
10:30 <Alter`>It's Cage time!
10:30 <Jimmy_>fuck zdoom
10:30 <Cage_AK>mostly with Duke guys
10:30 <Jimmy_>what a POS community
10:30 <Cage_AK>where I always stood in defense of Doom community
10:30 <Minigunner>Doomworld has a resource posting thread or two
10:30 <Alter`>those many discusscions with the duke guys led you to Bombshell :V Cage
10:31 <Cage_AK>because the discussion was like "doom guys only steal stuff and do shitty mods"
10:31 <Minigunner>nah, that's not true
10:31 <Altazimuth>My mod is shitty it steals e2l11 :P
10:31 <Jimmy_>well there *is* a depressing amount of that
10:31 <Cage_AK>and you know
10:31 <Cage_AK>I'm starting to doubt
10:31 <Minigunner>they forgot the "z" at the beginning
10:31 <Jimmy_>like what was that bullshit with MarisaKarisame and Nash?
10:31 <Cage_AK>if I should keep defending the community :P
10:31 <Cage_AK>oh well
10:31 <Altazimuth>Minigunner: They're not the same? :P
10:32 <Minigunner>nah, ZDoom community is worse in that regard
10:32 <Jimmy_>Nash shares mod idea, tells Marisa how to do it. Marisa copies idea and submits it to the same mod contest Nash is submitting to
10:32 <Altazimuth>I mean the ZDoom community isn't the entire community? :P
10:32 <Jimmy_>Nash gets upset
10:32 <Jimmy_>NASH GETS BANNED
10:32 <Jimmy_>for a week
10:32 <esselWork>george is gettin upset
10:32 <Altazimuth>George?
10:32 <esselWork>:l
10:32 <Cage_AK>dunno, community for me is #doomtwid mostly now ;)
10:33 <esselWork>j:
10:33 <Cage_AK>I've been registered on Zdoom since 2006 but I don't post that much
10:33 <Cage_AK>doomworld seemed kinda hermetic
10:33 <Cage_AK>to get into
10:33 <esselWork>hermetic?
10:33 <Minigunner>I mean, the spriting carnival has bad model rips of web screenshots of commercial models
10:33 <Altazimuth>ZDoom community is weird.
10:33 <Jimmy_>like way to go ZDoomers. once again a person who is voicing how they're understandably upset at having their ideas copied gets shot down in flames
10:33 <Cage_AK>but that might be just me
10:33 <Altazimuth>I like the Eternity community, it's cool.
10:33 <Cage_AK>I'm not too good with people :P
10:33 <Jimmy_>and the copycat flees from the scene with their tail between their legs
10:33 <Jimmy_>boy we sure haven't been here before
10:33 <Altazimuth>Because there's only about 10 of us and we're all decent people :v
10:33 <esselWork>Jimmy_: sounds about typical x_x
10:33 <Jimmy_>fucking
10:33 <Jimmy_>Adventures of Kittie
10:33 <Altazimuth>Me, essel, Mordeth, Quas, printz. 100%
10:34 <Jimmy_>now this
10:34 <esselWork>Adventures of Kettle
10:34 <esselWork>meet Adventures of Pot!!!!
10:34 <Alter`>I stopped caring about the zdoom community after Soulcrusher's release, because everyone went at me there for the inconsistent stuff, so I proposed a plan to make it work, the plan never went forward because nobody cared.
10:34 <Jimmy_>I hate that community so much
10:34 <Jimmy_>bunch of wimpy losers
10:34 <Cage_AK>esselWork: I was actually wondering
10:34 <Alter`>and people wonder why i don't do zdoom mods anymore Heh.
10:34 <Jimmy_>sorry. I'm on edge
10:34 <esselWork>Drug Use Cat 3D
10:34 <Cage_AK>since I got the impression that BTSX wasn't as picked a part
10:34 <Alter`>because i'm always stuck alone with those.
10:34 <Altazimuth>esselWork: Is the team-up episode called Adventures of Black?
10:34 <Cage_AK>as I'd expect
10:34 <Minigunner>like, it's one thing to download a model, set up the lighting properly, and post-edit it enough https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/85393552/Images/Graphics/duke_mp7-2.png
10:34 <Cage_AK>and I was just wondering if I just didn't look too much
10:34 <Minigunner>but to rip off a web-based model viewer
10:34 <Cage_AK>or did you make a clear stance on the subject
10:35 <Altazimuth>Wow that sprite looks amazing.
10:35 <Cage_AK>or is it just respect that you have
10:35 <Minigunner>yeah, one of my favorite works
10:35 <Alter`>so there you go guys if you wondered why I never unfucked Soulcrusher is because I never got the help (from the zdoom community) to do it.
10:35 <Minigunner>I see it as what happens when effort is put into a model rip
10:35 <esselWork>Cage_AK: i made a clear stance on it in the text file. there have been a couple of times when someone had to be told they weren't free to use, but it's been rarer than i expected
10:36 <Cage_AK>ok
10:36 <Minigunner>Jimmy: I like to attribute that ripoff mod to completely fucking my life over
10:36 <Altazimuth>Minigunner: What is the base for that sprite?
10:37 <Cage_AK>I've started to be cautious as well especially since I've heard about some crazyness that Pillow had to go through
10:37 <Cage_AK>regarding his mods
10:37 <Decay`>Alter` to be very fair nobody is obliged to help with projects, and that is a very lazy excuse
10:37 <Minigunner>it's an MP7 edit or something for counter-strike
10:37 <esselWork>(i actually am looking forward to opening them up to the public and seeing what other people will do with them once e3 is out though. stupid endless projects that never finish T_T)
10:37 <Cage_AK>that MP7 looks really good except that the hand seems tiny in comparison
10:37 <Jimmy_>Minigunner: well it fucked FuzzyBlaze's reputation at least
10:37 <Minigunner>haha
10:37 <Jimmy_>he's probably still on DA with the rest of his hugbox
10:37 <esselWork>keep the tiny hands and create drumpf.wad
10:37 <Cage_AK>well, looks like the stuff on a certain project starting moving a little
10:37 <Cage_AK>in the right direction
10:38 <Cage_AK>so we might have something to show maybe this year
10:38 <Alter`>Cool
10:38 <Cage_AK>right Jimmy?
10:38 <Jimmy_>yep. hope so :>
10:38 <Alter`>Decay` point, except at the time it was seriously stupid
10:38 <Cage_AK>and we already had that wip-screenshot rip thing happen :P
10:38 <Cage_AK>it makes me laugh right now but I was angry back then
10:38 <Minigunner>haha yeah
10:38 <Minigunner>speaking of
10:39 <esselWork>what was this, cage??
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10:39 <Decay`>Alter` that makes no sense
10:39 <Cage_AK>no hard feelings but come on
10:39 <Decay`>it was a personal project
10:39 <Minigunner>I love how quickly people ripped the Doom 4 screenshots to make weapon mods out of
10:39 <Cage_AK>haha
10:39 <Decay`>why did you choose "not to unfuck it" because others did not choose to spend their time helping you
10:39 <Cage_AK>I had the same thing pretty much except with Supplice
10:39 <Altazimuth>Guys please.
10:40 <Cage_AK>I can already tell you that the gun that got ripped won't be used
10:40 <Cage_AK>in the end
10:40 <Cage_AK>but still
10:40 <esselWork>Cage_AK: ughh
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10:40 <esselWork>pfft
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10:41 <Altazimuth>What?
10:41 <thefwf_work_>I didn't even know this was a channel
10:41 <esselWork>did this place just get linked in #zdoom or something
10:41 <Minigunner>probably a vr dude
10:41 <Jimmy_>haha
10:41 <Altazimuth>Jimmy_: But yeah, the id can be a brawler, you the all-rounder, the super-ego the cleric, and the ego the offensive spell guy.
10:41 <Linguica>i love when people go into #zdoom and meet with stony silence and never hear about this channel
10:41 <thefwf_work_>yay, somewhere else to procrastinate at work
10:41 <thefwf_work_>I dunno how I haven't heard of it
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10:42 <Alter`>Decay` because to unfuck it would require more than just redoing the map design, also having actual new sprites
10:42 <thefwf_work_>how long has it been going?
10:42 <Alter`>and the sprites were primarly the problem
10:42 <esselWork>Cage_AK: i hate how people act entitled to rip and tear every resource's guts
10:42 <Jimmy_>5 years?
10:42 <Altazimuth>This IRC channel has been up for approx 5 years.
10:42 <thefwf_work_>ahh
10:42 <thefwf_work_>kind of explains it
10:42 <thefwf_work_>I've only been back for 3 years
10:42 <Minigunner>essel, the topic probably explains things a little
10:42 <Altazimuth>It's been a more general channel for about 2-3 years though.
10:42 <thefwf_work_>after a 3 year or so break
10:42 <Alter`>AND the only hope you had for doing it in the first place has long abandoned you (the artist quitting on you)
10:42 <Alter`>so let me ask you Decay
10:43 <Minigunner>people have been getting pretty resentful of this channel
10:43 <Alter`>why the FUCK would you bother to continue with trying to improve the mod
10:43 <Alter`>in my boots
10:43 <Pavera>people are resentful of this channel?
10:43 <Altazimuth>Guys can you please not?
10:43 <Decay`>i wouldn't, but i wouldn't blame others for it
10:43 <Minigunner>because it's filled with "elitists" who do nothing but talk shit on "lesser" mods and mapsets
10:43 <Decay`>it is what it is
10:44 <Altazimuth>Pavera: Hence the doominati jokes.
10:44 <Pavera>never seen any of that criticism before
10:44 <Altazimuth>We're the secret puppet masters of the community.
10:44 <Altazimuth>Apparently.
10:44 <Alter`>the criticism only exists on 4chan /vr/
10:44 <Pavera>haha
10:44 <Jimmy_>and dumbworld
10:44 <Minigunner>yeah, this channel was linked on /vr/
10:44 <Alter`>anyway point taken Decay`, the stigma sticked with me through out the last 3 years regarding the zdoom community
10:44 <Minigunner>...well, "linked" as in the channel and server names
10:45 <Altazimuth>Good thing /vr/ haven't done anything stupid like raided this channel. Even then we have good mods and would probably quickly set up a fallback channel until things settled down :I
10:45 <Minigunner>we have a couple fallback channels
10:45 <Alter`>We are too hip to be raided heh