<05:17:03> "shamacon's decoder ring": so Fowkin, I made encoded a
message into my avatar
<05:17:10> "shamacon's decoder ring": it's made to attract an auditor
<05:17:34> "shamacon's decoder ring": the person who decodes it will
probably get assigned to audit your code and write documentation
<05:18:15> "shamacon's decoder ring": cool, if you think you will
never retire or never delegate work
<05:18:30> "shamacon's decoder ring": but if you decide to, we'll
have documentation
<05:18:35> "HKG Fowlkin": in 30 years if we are using the same code
i'll kill myself
<05:19:02> "HKG Fowlkin": What we need to worry about
<05:19:08> "HKG Fowlkin": Isn't this ridiculous nonsense we have been
<05:19:24> "shamacon's decoder ring": if you're still doing HKG dev
in 30 years, you're doing something wrong
<05:19:35> "Tenshi of Kappa": yea
<05:19:38> "HKG Fowlkin": and focus on the evolution of both HKG and
KoalaFire and I can think of a few ways KoalaFire could encapsulate
HKG to prevent a TS nullroute from knocking tournaments offline
<05:19:39> "Tenshi of Kappa": get your internet straight
<05:20:02> "Poro of Text": sorry
<05:20:03> "Poro of Text": whatsup
<05:20:04> "Poro of Text": ?
<05:20:13> "HKG Fowlkin": What we need to make their attacks useless
<05:20:15> "HKG Fowlkin": Let's discuss this
<05:20:25> "shamacon's decoder ring": how the hell is anyone going to
know anything about the work and it's progress if you make no effort
toward accountability?
<05:20:30> "HKG Fowlkin": Step 1: Tournament entry and creation done
via website not teamspeak server
<05:20:47> "HKG Fowlkin": ...
<05:20:52> "HKG Fowlkin": Let's focus
<05:20:54> "HKG Fowlkin": Again
<05:20:58> "shamacon's decoder ring": heh, server staying up is easy.
stop making waves with other communities
<05:21:20> "Poro of Text": why dont we just hold the tournament thru
signups on the site : <
<05:21:31> "HKG Fowlkin": Step 1: Tournament entry and creation done
via website not teamspeak server
<05:21:35> "HKG Fowlkin": What we need
<05:21:47> "HKG Fowlkin": 1x DB Server
<05:23:35> "HKG Fowlkin": 5x VPS for the Website and NS
<05:23:55> "HKG Fowlkin": use OVH $3 VPS so if they ddos one bah we
can use the API to load another up in real time
<05:24:05> "HKG Fowlkin": Or even use a cloud server API
<05:24:17> "HKG Fowlkin": and load up cloud servers while the main
servers are down due to the ddoz
<05:24:44> "shamacon's decoder ring": k so we're changing the entire
system again on your say-so. no problem. are you taking the lead on
this?
<05:24:45> "HKG Fowlkin": Either way cost overhead is ~25$ for the
OVH servers assuming each VPS (minus the DB server) has NS entries
<05:24:52> "HKG Fowlkin": Shama
<05:24:53> "HKG Fowlkin": This is
<05:24:53> "shamacon's decoder ring": if so, lay out some tasks for me
<05:24:55> "HKG Fowlkin": THE SAME SYSTEM
<05:25:02> "HKG Fowlkin": I talked about before
<05:25:04> "shamacon's decoder ring": if it was, you wouldn't have to tell me
<05:25:09> "HKG Fowlkin": It relies on THE SAME PROJECT I gave you
<05:25:10> "shamacon's decoder ring": please continue
<05:25:22> *** You are now talking in channel: "Community Channels"
<05:25:31> "HKG Fowlkin": Nothing has changed with your goal
<05:25:43> "shamacon's decoder ring": please continue
<05:25:43> "HKG Fowlkin": I'm not sure why you think the plan is changing
<05:25:54> "HKG Fowlkin": What assignment did I send to you
<05:26:14> "shamacon's decoder ring": it depends. you asked me to
make startup scripts for vps servers
<05:26:35> "HKG Fowlkin": Correct
<05:27:07> "HKG Fowlkin": How does that tie into the plan of having
multiple VPS servers?
<05:28:06> "shamacon's decoder ring": I think that's self evident
<05:28:32> "HKG Fowlkin": So why do you think I assigned this task in
the first place.  I saw this eventually becomming an issue and hoped
it wouldn't be for a few  weeks.
<05:29:17> "HKG Fowlkin": We need to be able to load up servers
dynamically while under attack.  If we get good at it we will be able
to even port HKG to the cloud while under attack.
<05:29:18> "shamacon's decoder ring": I don't know why you assign
stuff. I haven't attended meetings in a while, so it can't be helped.
Perhaps there are some minutes I could read from the meetings I've
missed.
<05:29:50> "HKG Fowlkin": We haven't had a meeting in over 2 weeks now
<05:29:55> "HKG Fowlkin": No assignments have changed
<05:30:03> "HKG Fowlkin": No new developers have come down the line
<05:30:09> "HKG Fowlkin": No new assignments have been assigned
<05:30:15> "shamacon's decoder ring": Oh? I thought this guy is
working on dev work now
<05:30:20> "shamacon's decoder ring": I heard about it, but haven't
read anything
<05:30:28> "I am Legend": just for the site, all front end
<05:30:31> "HKG Fowlkin": He's learning front end
<05:30:32> "I am Legend": nothing that effects you
<05:30:35> "HKG Fowlkin": Or trying
<05:30:43> "I am Legend": ...
<05:30:45> "HKG Fowlkin": And that's cool don't get me wrong
<05:30:52> "HKG Fowlkin": But until he's better then me
<05:30:54> "HKG Fowlkin": Don't even count him
<05:30:58> "I am Legend": ^
<05:31:00> "HKG Fowlkin": I'm freaking trash at front end
<05:31:02> "I am Legend": im not better than him
<05:31:07> "I am Legend": not yet
<05:31:23> "I am Legend": iill pass him in a wekk just bc thats what
im focusing on and he doesnt have time too
<05:31:25> "HKG Fowlkin": If he doesnt get better then me he aint
devin nothing lol
<05:31:28> "I am Legend": but back on track
<05:31:44> "HKG Fowlkin": Point stands
<05:32:02> "HKG Fowlkin": Why is it a problem that I have a plan of
action?  Nothing has changed.
<05:32:28> "HKG Fowlkin": Do I need to log the entire plan via a
support ticket?
<05:32:38> "HKG Fowlkin": I mean it's pretty simple
<05:32:42> "shamacon's decoder ring": I think the problem is that you
don't deliberate or communicate before you act. This causes people to
think you are an autocrat, and not a figurehead or spokeperson.
<05:32:59> "HKG Fowlkin": None of that matters in the slightest
<05:33:03> "HKG Fowlkin": We are sitting ehre arguing semantics
<05:33:08> "HKG Fowlkin": While our server is offline due to an attack
<05:33:21> "HKG Fowlkin": Do you realize how mmuch of a waste of time
arguing with you and Ryan over this stupid shit is?
<05:33:53> "shamacon's decoder ring": I suppose it's fine if you want
me to document my work and activity while you do not. I still think
the community will suffer for it, but let's not call it semantics when
it's an issue of fundamentals.
<05:34:07> "HKG Fowlkin": I never asked you to document your work
<05:34:30> "HKG Fowlkin": You did that on your own.  That's freaking
cool and I appreciate it but when am I going to have the time to sit
down and read every line and comment of your code.
<05:34:39> "HKG Fowlkin": If I sincerely have to delve into yours or
anyone elses code
<05:34:46> "HKG Fowlkin": It's faster to rewrite the whole damn project
<05:34:50> "shamacon's decoder ring": You won't be able to copy it as
easily if I don't make flow charts and abstracts.
<05:35:16> "HKG Fowlkin": Dude if you don't see my point by now then
you're off your rocker
<05:35:38> "HKG Fowlkin": We are going to have separate projects
<05:35:48> "HKG Fowlkin": I'm not going to fully understand yours you
arent going to fully understand mine
<05:35:56> "HKG Fowlkin": Make it work and get the hell over it
<05:35:56> "shamacon's decoder ring": I see your point; I just don't
see a good future for our organization if you don't care about
accountability
<05:36:13> "HKG Fowlkin": You're literally wasting time mulling over
this issue day after day
<05:36:20> "HKG Fowlkin": Instead of progressing with what we need
<05:36:25> "HKG Fowlkin": How do you not see this?
<05:36:44> "shamacon's decoder ring": Probably because our server is
down and we don't even have a policy for this (somehow common) event
<05:36:54> "shamacon's decoder ring": you spend more time rewriting
my fucking code than being a leader
<05:37:11> "HKG Fowlkin": Alright time for a reality check.
<05:37:19> "HKG Fowlkin": I did't even look at your code.
<05:37:34> "HKG Fowlkin": I don't understand Python
<05:37:35> "shamacon's decoder ring": That's your problem dude. You
paid for it and didn't use it
<05:37:48> "HKG Fowlkin": Your code was designed with a specific
purpose in mind
<05:37:51> "HKG Fowlkin": A webserver call
<05:38:01> "shamacon's decoder ring": it's not like it can't be modified
<05:38:02> "HKG Fowlkin": That was 3 months before we got to the
point to implement it
<05:38:04> "shamacon's decoder ring": i haven't left town
<05:38:24> "HKG Fowlkin": The communication with you is non-existent
because of your internet problems
<05:38:38> "HKG Fowlkin": And I realized an opportunity to solidify the calls
<05:39:01> "HKG Fowlkin": My call to a webserver
<05:39:07> "HKG Fowlkin": To call to an API server
<05:39:10> "HKG Fowlkin": To connect to Teamspeak
<05:39:32> "HKG Fowlkin": When you can do it directly from the
Webserver via an existing API that I found two days before getting
your code?  I was doing research man
<05:39:41> "HKG Fowlkin": I didn't know about that API framework for TS
<05:39:42> "shamacon's decoder ring": that's such a tiny change that
you could have requested it
<05:39:43> "HKG Fowlkin": you didnt either
<05:39:49> "HKG Fowlkin": WHY
<05:39:50> "HKG Fowlkin": WOULD
<05:39:51> "HKG Fowlkin": I
<05:39:53> "HKG Fowlkin": REQUEST IT
<05:39:58> "HKG Fowlkin": AND NOT JUST IMPLEMENT IT
<05:40:08> "shamacon's decoder ring": because you can't do every task
<05:40:11> "HKG Fowlkin": I'll spend more time requesting and explaining it
<05:40:13> "shamacon's decoder ring": and you already paid for it
<05:40:16> "HKG Fowlkin": Then actually implementing it
<05:40:24> "shamacon's decoder ring": it sounds like you might be
better as a dev than any kind of manager
<05:40:24> "HKG Fowlkin": Do you even know
<05:40:38> "HKG Fowlkin": How many times I've deleted the core of the
bot and started over because my initial understanding of a project
wasnt there?
<05:40:47> "HKG Fowlkin": This is like revision 10
<05:40:56> "HKG Fowlkin": The tournament code is on revision 4
<05:40:58> "shamacon's decoder ring": i don't, but i think maybe an
ounce of planning would have helped
<05:41:01> "HKG Fowlkin": and revision 5 removes it from the bot
<05:41:13> "HKG Fowlkin": Same goes for your project
<05:41:23> "HKG Fowlkin": Once you realized there was a PHP API
framework for ts3
<05:41:23> "shamacon's decoder ring": yes, my ounce of planning is in writing
<05:41:30> "HKG Fowlkin": that was 1000x more advanced
<05:41:30> "shamacon's decoder ring": so you can kinda fuck off on that point
<05:41:34> "HKG Fowlkin": then anything we could write quickly
<05:41:39> "HKG Fowlkin": You would have swapped too
<05:41:42> "HKG Fowlkin": So please man
<05:41:47> "HKG Fowlkin": You and Ryan have to get off this high horse
<05:41:50> "HKG Fowlkin": Come back down to earth
<05:41:52> "shamacon's decoder ring": it's not a high horse
<05:41:53> "HKG Fowlkin": and focus on the tasks at hand
<05:41:58> "shamacon's decoder ring": it's the horse we all have to ride
<05:42:03> "shamacon's decoder ring": so mount up, bro
<05:42:07> "shamacon's decoder ring": we want to ride with you
<05:42:09> "HKG Fowlkin": then I'll ride the horse alone if it's
going to be a problem
<05:42:14> "HKG Fowlkin": because this is ridiculous
<05:42:33> "HKG Fowlkin": You have an assignment and are too busy
pitching a fit about me not documenting code you dont need to complete
it
<05:42:45> "shamacon's decoder ring": You haven't even finished
updating me about your assignment
<05:42:49> "shamacon's decoder ring": so please, continue
<05:42:56> "shamacon's decoder ring": what do you want me to do?
<05:42:57> "HKG Fowlkin": The assignment has not changed!
<05:43:00> "HKG Fowlkin": For the love of christ
<05:43:04> "shamacon's decoder ring": then wtf am i in this room for?
<05:43:04> "HKG Fowlkin": I detailed it out to you already
<05:43:13> "HKG Fowlkin": lmao
<05:43:27> "HKG Fowlkin": We're done here man
<05:43:31> "shamacon's decoder ring": because earlier you started
talking like you were changing the way everything works
<05:43:35> "HKG Fowlkin": I'm not going to bother you about anything any more
<05:43:43> "HKG Fowlkin": I didn't talk about changing anything
<05:43:49> "HKG Fowlkin": I started to explain the macro plan
<05:43:56> "HKG Fowlkin": Not the micro requirement I assigned to you
<05:44:00> "HKG Fowlkin": Macro = large
<05:44:02> "HKG Fowlkin": Micro = small
<05:44:11> "HKG Fowlkin": The micro project is one of many that build
into the macro project
<05:45:06> "HKG Fowlkin": Remember this?  Monitoring webserver health
<05:45:10> "shamacon's decoder ring": K, please email me the
assignment and your requirements.
<05:45:13> "HKG Fowlkin": BIND for Name Servers
<05:45:17> "shamacon's decoder ring": i remember a huge convoluted wish list
<05:45:19> "shamacon's decoder ring": yes
<05:45:37> "shamacon's decoder ring": please email me the assignment
<05:45:44> "HKG Fowlkin": No I'm putting up a trello board
<05:45:51> "HKG Fowlkin": That way you and ryan leave me the hell alone
<05:45:55> "HKG Fowlkin": aboutt hese fucking projects
<05:45:58> "HKG Fowlkin": because im straight sick of it
<05:46:18> "shamacon's decoder ring": we just want a good
organization and to put out good work
<05:46:35> "HKG Fowlkin": I spend more time on this bureaucracy then
actual coding when talking to you two
<05:46:42> "HKG Fowlkin": Yeah I'm sorry
<05:46:45> "shamacon's decoder ring": You are not a coder, you are the leader
<05:46:46> "HKG Fowlkin": You can get over that
<05:46:53> "HKG Fowlkin": Until we have a team of coders
<05:46:57> "HKG Fowlkin": Just get the hell over it
<05:47:00> "HKG Fowlkin": Both of you
<05:47:06> "HKG Fowlkin": Copy and paste this to him if you want to
<05:47:09> "HKG Fowlkin": I don't have time for it
<05:47:33> "shamacon's decoder ring": You are the one person who can
make time for anything
<05:47:37> "shamacon's decoder ring": you just don't want to make time for it
<05:47:46> "HKG Fowlkin": Are you kidding me?
<05:47:57> "HKG Fowlkin": Lol we're done here
<05:47:59> "HKG Fowlkin": You have my answer
<05:48:08> "HKG Fowlkin": I'll put the trllo board up tonight
<05:48:30> "shamacon's decoder ring": If you're not going to put up
anything about your activities too, don't bother
<05:48:38> "shamacon's decoder ring": you can just email me
<05:49:10> "shamacon's decoder ring": It'd be shameful to see a
collaborative work board with only one person posting work.
<05:49:47> "HKG Fowlkin": Semantics.  Love it.
<05:49:55> "shamacon's decoder ring": You keep using that word
<05:50:00> "shamacon's decoder ring": I don't think you know what it means.
<05:50:22> "HKG Fowlkin": he branch of linguistics and logic
concerned with meaning. There are a number of branches and subbranches
of semantics, including formal semantics, which studies the logical
aspects of meaning, such as sense, reference, implication, and logical
form, lexical semantics, which studies word meanings and word
relations, and conceptual semantics, which studies the cognitive
structure of meaning.
<05:50:48> "shamacon's decoder ring": Yeah
<05:50:51> "HKG Fowlkin": Sarcasm would apply here too.
<05:50:53> "shamacon's decoder ring": Still don't think you
understand what it means.
<05:51:06> "HKG Fowlkin": yeah, I can't comment or read
<05:51:07> "HKG Fowlkin": It's cool
<05:51:16> "HKG Fowlkin": I'm just a hobbyist anyways
<05:51:26> "shamacon's decoder ring": This has nothing to do with
linguistics; it's about organizations.
<05:52:21> "HKG Fowlkin": We're done here.  Maybe if you want me to
take this bullshit more seriously we should fix the problem at hand
first.