Pastebin nr 5

[21:51] <@Soepkip> ugh
[21:51] <@Soepkip> africanos?
[21:51] <dibdab> many has paid much more but he wants special treatment
[21:51] <BlkHandAfricanos> we have 2 sides
[21:51] <@Soepkip> i dont get his idea behind this?
[21:51] <BlkHandAfricanos> dibdab: I know you have donated thousands of coins
[21:51] <BlkHandAfricanos> theres the kids
[21:51] <dibdab> i havent donated much tbh
[21:51] <@Soepkip> don't you agree that some stuff has to be paid for?
[21:51] <BlkHandAfricanos> and theres the money
[21:52] <maarx> BlkHandAfricanos, I have donated 50k BLK to projects.. and I've worked my ass on various projects.. and then I collect donations for other devs
[21:52] <@Soepkip> and if we choose to pay for a new website and people pay for that what is the issue with that?
[21:52] <BlkHandAfricanos> Im justing saying
[21:52] <maarx> so if Wiz thinks I'm a kid. I guess he's wrong
[21:52] <maarx> I care about blackcoin too much
[21:52] <crypt0h4z3> new site is siiick. that was a great job and definitely wroth it...my 2c
[21:53] <maarx> if blackcoin fails, I've failed and I'll get a job
[21:53] <maarx> we've failed then*
[21:53] <@Soepkip> BlkHandAfricanos, i love wiz to death but he does not seem to be able to have this dicussion.
[21:54] <@Soepkip> people have to be fed for their work in some way
[21:54] <@Soepkip> if people have a big enough stash that they can work for free they do that
[21:54] <@Soepkip> maarx does, i do that even vizique does that
[21:54] <@Soepkip> and Gritt-N-Auld too
[21:56] <dibdab> what i would suggest is: the blackhand group writes down what the issue is together, and we figure out how to make everyone happy. I still cant see the point in any of this
[21:58] <BlkHandAfricanos> its a personal opinion imo
[21:58] <@Soepkip> yeah but he gets far to emotional about this.
[21:58] <BlkHandAfricanos> wiz is an emotional guy
[21:58] <@Soepkip> i know
[21:59] <@Soepkip> i've seen his heart with my own eyes
[21:59] <BlkHandAfricanos> his got heart though
[21:59] <@Soepkip> it's very fucking big
[21:59] <BlkHandAfricanos> exactly
[21:59] <BlkHandAfricanos> the thing is 1 tweet 1 opinion
[21:59] <BlkHandAfricanos> if BC cant take it
[21:59] <BlkHandAfricanos> imo its not worth being alive
[21:59] <@Soepkip> it's not about the tweet
[21:59] <dibdab> no
[21:59] <BlkHandAfricanos> theres more coming
[21:59] <BlkHandAfricanos> and its not from us
[21:59] <dibdab> id like to know what the issue is
[21:59] <BlkHandAfricanos> theres real hurdles
[21:59] <BlkHandAfricanos> this isnt
[22:00] <@Soepkip> this is not about the tweet afri
[22:00] <BlkHandAfricanos> I understand in a way
[22:00] <@Soepkip> like i said before: core members are bitching publicly
[22:00] <@Soepkip> like i said before: core members are bitching publicly
[22:00] <@Soepkip> that's how others see it
[22:00] <BlkHandAfricanos> well hm
[22:00] <@Soepkip> and that's an issue
[22:00] <BlkHandAfricanos> core members arent suppose to dump coins
[22:00] <BlkHandAfricanos> for bills etc
[22:00] <BlkHandAfricanos> at least get donations in BTC imo
[22:00] <BlkHandAfricanos> that looks bad enough
[22:00] <BlkHandAfricanos> to my eyes
[22:00] <maarx> I dont get donations lol
[22:01] <BlkHandAfricanos> maarx:
[22:01] <dibdab> who dumps?
[22:01] <@Soepkip> okay
[22:01] <maarx> Last donations Soepkip received was maybe a month ago?
[22:01] <BlkHandAfricanos> its in general Im talking
[22:01] <maarx> What does Gritt get?
[22:01] <maarx> nor Vizique
[22:01] <maarx> I dont get this at all
[22:01] <BlkHandAfricanos> I totally understand
[22:01] <@Soepkip> yes
[22:01] <@Soepkip> i sell blk off for my bills
[22:01] <BlkHandAfricanos> you have to Soepkip
[22:01] <@Soepkip> i was wanting to sell of around 50k
[22:01] <maarx> I dont get donations, and I pay for my shit. I trade if I need money. I have some btc at the side
[22:01] <@Soepkip> so yeah, now it's going to sadly be more
[22:02] <BlkHandAfricanos> well the real problem wiz has
[22:02] <@Soepkip> pulling strings to make sure it 's the least we can manage
[22:02] <BlkHandAfricanos> its not that
[22:02] <BlkHandAfricanos> we know that people have bills we do to
[22:02] <dibdab> but guys for real, write down the issues that you are not happy with, as its hard to grasp it from this convo. Im sure we can fix stuff and change things so that your input is worked into the solution
[22:02] <BlkHandAfricanos> dibdab: totally
[22:02] <BlkHandAfricanos> this is timewasting
[22:02] <BlkHandAfricanos> imo
[22:02] <@Soepkip> exaclty
[22:02] <BlkHandAfricanos> the thing is
[22:02] <@Soepkip> and weird since we had this convo yesterday
[22:03] <BlkHandAfricanos> I told you my views man
[22:03] <BlkHandAfricanos> 100 times
[22:03] <BlkHandAfricanos> and not only to you
[22:03] <BlkHandAfricanos> everyone has his goal
[22:03] <BlkHandAfricanos> usually its fiat
[22:04] <BlkHandAfricanos> that is a problem on its own
[22:04] <BlkHandAfricanos> wiz is not an employee
[22:04] <BlkHandAfricanos> neither am I
[22:04] <BlkHandAfricanos> or ash or mouse or whoever
[22:04] <@Soepkip> it's an analogy mate
[22:05] <BlkHandAfricanos> Im not dumb
[22:05] <BlkHandAfricanos> im just saying
[22:05] <BlkHandAfricanos> we he and you
[22:05] <@Soepkip> replace company with blackcoin and employee iwth core community member
[22:05] <BlkHandAfricanos> can do as we like
[22:05] <@Soepkip> we can yes
[22:05] <BlkHandAfricanos> so whats the problem ?
[22:05] <BlkHandAfricanos> 1 guy 5 guys
[22:05] <BlkHandAfricanos> thats not the mission
[22:05] <BlkHandAfricanos> nor the vision
[22:06] <BlkHandAfricanos> I have nothing more to say
[22:06] <@Soepkip> the problem, in short, is we need to get our eyes on the same target
[22:06] <@Soepkip> the road is hard and long
[22:06] <BlkHandAfricanos> our target is the same
[22:06] <@Soepkip> and stuff like this is not helping
[22:06] <BlkHandAfricanos> we just dont want to burn people on the way
[22:06] <@Soepkip> that's all i'm saying
[22:06] <@Soepkip> and thats why you get 20 people in a channel being like ' whaaaat the fuck ' is this about
[22:06] <BlkHandAfricanos> its the trust factor
[22:06] <BlkHandAfricanos> look at old vs new members
[22:07] <BlkHandAfricanos> old members are daytrading and making money of new members asses
[22:07] <BlkHandAfricanos> as they are goats
[22:07] <BlkHandAfricanos> off*
[22:07] <BlkHandAfricanos> wasnt the price irrelevant
[22:07] <BlkHandAfricanos> ?
[22:07] <BlkHandAfricanos> so jump over the hurdle
[22:07] <BlkHandAfricanos> http://i.imgur.com/jr0jUD6.jpg
[22:07] <@Soepkip> the price is very relevant for the perseption of our strength
[22:07] <BlkHandAfricanos> no it isnt
[22:07] <BlkHandAfricanos> trust is
[22:07] <BlkHandAfricanos> that image was made by me
[22:07] <BlkHandAfricanos> so the trust can stay
[22:07] <@Soepkip> well, have any of us broken our trust?
[22:08] <BlkHandAfricanos> and the community needs to open there eyes
[22:08] <BlkHandAfricanos> so that BC can flourish
[22:08] <BlkHandAfricanos> burning them will just get some people hurt
[22:08] <BlkHandAfricanos> and leave the community
[22:08] <BlkHandAfricanos> theres thousands of people like me you maarx wiz etc
[22:08] <@Soepkip> i agree we don't need a pump to 90k again
[22:08] <BlkHandAfricanos> 43k-28K
[22:08] <BlkHandAfricanos> thats 40% +
[22:08] <BlkHandAfricanos> stable non pump growth
[22:09] <BlkHandAfricanos> thats why we warned people
[22:09] <BlkHandAfricanos> and in a way moked them
[22:09] <BlkHandAfricanos> so tehy open there eyes
[22:09] <BlkHandAfricanos> and not get burnt
[22:09] <BlkHandAfricanos> to be able to offer something in the future
[22:09] <@Soepkip> yeah but every trade we make someone gets burned.
[22:09] <@Soepkip> in any coin
[22:09] <@Soepkip> either its you or the other person
[22:09] <maarx> I agree to that Africanos.. but the problem is then, that we inspire false confidence?
[22:10] <maarx> Im not telling ppl to buy like crazy.. I dont think Soepkip or Vizique is either
[22:10] <BlkHandAfricanos> I didnt say anything like that
[22:10] <maarx> We just talk about our investment, and the long term prospect..
[22:10] <BlkHandAfricanos> make people buy to stash in cold storage
[22:10] <BlkHandAfricanos> and call it a day
[22:10] <BlkHandAfricanos> work on it
[22:10] <BlkHandAfricanos> and wait
[22:10] <maarx> True.. That's how it should be done
[22:10] <BlkHandAfricanos> so
[22:11] <BlkHandAfricanos> the point is the same
[22:11] <BlkHandAfricanos> different approaches
[22:11] <BlkHandAfricanos> I think alls ok
[22:11] <BlkHandAfricanos> Im off
[22:11] <@Soepkip> okay
[22:11] <@Soepkip> tell wiz to contact me when you see him and he's cooled down