[09:06] <Rain_Drop> Makin plans, smokin dope 15 bucks lil man but that money in my hand or your gonna owe me owe me owe, my jungle love~
01[09:06] <Alerderna> waugh~
[09:06] <Rain_Drop> Whay is that so catchy?!
01[09:07] <Alerderna> Wurll it's another thing for Batvillage, regarding trading. Covered that aspect in the Pastebin, but it's still up in the air.
01[09:07] <Alerderna> Two months down the line, now I'm kinda thinking trading is kind of along the lines of >godmodding.
01[09:08] <Alerderna> Ikea thoughts?
[09:09] <Ikea> I think... that I've misplaced the pastebin...
01[09:10] <Alerderna> Right, one tick
01[09:10] <Alerderna> http://pastebin.com/Etpw3KRX
[09:11] <Rain_Drop> Well I thought having the batvillage have something to trade as a trade partner would be rather neat...
[09:11] <Rain_Drop> Sorta like in those Total War games where you make alliances and such
[09:11] <Rain_Drop> then trade routes for dem sheckles
01[09:11] <Alerderna> Able_Tome ya there by chance?
01[09:12] <Alerderna> Eh, with this thing I decided to leave nothing under looked and covered as many aspects as NukePone and I could.
[09:13] <Rain_Drop> Provided its things that make sense for the village to have to trade then I dont see what would be wrong with it myself. Heck we could if Nukey had suggested had further villages that might have been north be having a lil rivalry between Batvillage and other village that might be even further north
[09:14] <Rain_Drop> but that might be pushin it too hard with the npcs and the like
01[09:15] <Alerderna> Ah. I'm already pushing it with just the one village it seems hue. Unless they trade with the Crystal Empire secretly already.
[09:15] <Ikea> hmm...
[09:16] <Ikea> not seeing much of of an issue with the trade
[09:16] <Grease_Lightning> Okay, what's up?
[09:16] <Ikea> not sure if they'd really -need- building materials
[09:16] <Rain_Drop> trade discussion on what batvillage would have
01[09:16] <Alerderna> It's about trading with the Batvillage thing Bay-kun
[09:16] <Rain_Drop> realistically and all
01[09:17] <Alerderna> And if it's too much along the lines of >godmodding
[09:17] <Ikea> assuming we're talking stone and wood, that would be rather plentiful for them as well as for us
01[09:17] <Alerderna> Also gunna be Pastebinning all this shiz and posting it in the thread seeing as some Anon's wanted it so.
[09:17] <Rain_Drop> Well to expand for their growing numbers I would imagine having miners equipment to mine minerals for use
[09:17] <Ikea> tools and metals maybe?
01[09:18] <Alerderna> I'd imagine we'd try for the fur first
[09:18] <Grease_Lightning> Aren't they pretty self sustaining already though?
01[09:18] <Alerderna> They is'z. http://pastebin.com/Etpw3KRX
01[09:18] <Alerderna> Ebutt it was heavily hinted in the Pastebin that they have a surplus of furs
[09:19] <Rain_Drop> Self sustaining yes, flourishing no
[09:19] <Grease_Lightning> So they have most down, so what they'd want it improments and vanity, pretty much
[09:19] <Rain_Drop> As in the surviving but not really living, also Ale something that popped into my head
[09:19] <Grease_Lightning> *is
[09:19] <Ikea> well, the question is, I suppose, what would they need/want?
[09:19] <Rain_Drop> member how we said they would have greenhouses?
[09:19] <Rain_Drop> Where do they get glass for it?
[09:20] <Grease_Lightning> Rain, where do WE get glass for it?
[09:20] <Ikea> From Hearth
01[09:20] <Alerderna> Well that was also covered already in the Pastebin, Ikea. Though there could be compromises. And they live clsoe to the CE, so I'd assume there.
[09:20] <Rain_Drop> from the river?
[09:20] <Grease_Lightning> Hearth doesn't make glass from thin air
01[09:20] <Alerderna> Yay Sand and Furnace
01[09:21] <Alerderna> Though it'd be a bitch to sustain those high temps
[09:21] <Rain_Drop> Sand from river banks, sand delivered to hearth who cant make more due to being preggers
[09:21] <Ikea> I'd assume that silica isn't too rare...
01[09:21] <Alerderna> With our current tech, anyways.
[09:21] <Rain_Drop> Fur - Food
[09:21] <Rain_Drop> Fur - Building materials
[09:21] <Rain_Drop> Fur - Tools
[09:21] <Rain_Drop> Wood - Food
[09:21] <Rain_Drop> Wood - Tools
[09:21] <Rain_Drop> Food - Food
[09:21] <Rain_Drop> thats the idea right for their trading abilities?
01[09:21] <Alerderna> It's an idea, though there could be expansions.
[09:21] <Grease_Lightning> which side is which?
[09:21] <Rain_Drop> the bats and such '
01[09:21] <Alerderna> Batvillage - Fourcannon
[09:22] <Grease_Lightning> So, Batvillage: Fur, Wood, Food | 4C: Food, Building Materials, Tools
01[09:23] <Alerderna> Breddy much yeah. Though there could be expansions.
[09:23] <Grease_Lightning> What's the difference between building materials and wood?
01[09:23] <Alerderna> Building materials I'd automatically assume are the tools and bits nessicary for construction.
03[09:23] * C-com is now known as Cherenkovasdfdasf3w49rfsd
03[09:23] * Cherenkovasdfdasf3w49rfsd is now known as Cherenkovvvvvvvvv
[09:23] <Grease_Lightning> Mud Huts are a thing
[09:23] <Rain_Drop> Instead of buidling materials why not make it...wait no we could still do it that way, say that the greenhouses they had have broken panes and the amount of effort needed for making glass isnt worth it vs just trading it with us>
03[09:24] * Cherenkovvvvvvvvv is now known as Cheren
[09:24] <Rain_Drop> Chere I think is havin a issue
[09:24] <Cheren> morning everyone
01[09:24] <Alerderna> j0 Cheren
[09:24] <Ikea> morning
[09:24] <Grease_Lightning> So you want to give them more reason to trade with us?
01[09:24] <Alerderna> Depending on how smart the PC's are...
01[09:25] <Alerderna> Things could go swell.
[09:25] <Grease_Lightning> Isn't that problematic seeing as we don't have any glass craft according to your assessment of Hearth's condition?
[09:25] <Cheren> So if Mariel goes on it, will she go to try and make fried bat wings to sell to PCs back in 4c? Hue.
[09:25] <Ikea> probably...
01[09:25] <Alerderna> 1,1I giggl'd/10
[09:26] <Grease_Lightning> She will make enemies
[09:26] <Grease_Lightning> 1,1and probably die
[09:26] <Cheren> probably
[09:26] <Grease_Lightning> Crossing fingers here
01[09:26] <Alerderna> And these ones are native to Equestria, not Cannonites.
[09:26] <Rain_Drop> Well I would make it so there is a reason for them to want to trade with us provided we make a good impression
01[09:26] <Alerderna> So they'd fuck Mariel's shit up.
01[09:26] <Alerderna> hue.
[09:27] <Grease_Lightning> Are you saying 4Cannonites wouldn't fuck her shit up?
[09:27] <Rain_Drop> Also for the glass production could have a PC take over for Hearth since >Maternity leave and all that
01[09:27] <Alerderna> Equestrians > Fourcannonites IMO
01[09:27] <Alerderna> Anyways, we're getting off-topic.
[09:27] <Grease_Lightning> I don't think you really thought about the purpose of the job thing, Rain
[09:28] <Grease_Lightning> The entire purpose of it was to get people who have experience to do what they do best
01[09:28] <Alerderna> hmmm... I guess for the green house thing it could probably be thin sheets of Crystal, seeing as they're halfway between 4C and the CE.
01[09:28] <Alerderna> Or maybe a series of thin, broken sheets of crystal held together by some resin.
[09:28] <Rain_Drop> now thers something we might want to trade for
[09:28] <Grease_Lightning> If anyone can do everything, there isn't any reason for having people do things they are proficient at
[09:29] <Rain_Drop> if thats true Ale I mean have the cystal sheets be possibly reflective and better than normal glass?
[09:29] <Grease_Lightning> Halfway between 4C and CE is a long way away from 4C still
[09:29] <Grease_Lightning> more than just the mountains
[09:29] <Rain_Drop> Also Bacon >what is training others what you know?
01[09:29] <Alerderna> o. I thought the northern part of the mountains was halfway.
[09:29] <Grease_Lightning> I'm sorry, did Hearth train anyone?
[09:29] <Cheren> people would have to learn to do things, but it would take time and they wouldn't be as good as the instructors off the bat
[09:29] <Rain_Drop> ^
[09:30] <Cheren> not that I'm aware
[09:30] <Grease_Lightning> So there are no trainees
[09:30] <Rain_Drop> and as faar as I know  not really but since Hearth is no longer wanting to play her character I could...npc her I guess...
01[09:30] <Alerderna> And as for the reflective-ness for Crystal? Iunno... Dependng on how thin they are.
01[09:30] <Alerderna> Which does gib idea again.
[09:30] <Grease_Lightning> Please don't NPC other players characters
01[09:30] <Alerderna> That's what Blue's been proposing, Bacon.
[09:31] <Grease_Lightning> Welcome to the world of puppetting
01[09:31] <Alerderna> I kept on saying "yyyeeeaaaahhhh that shit won't fly"
[09:31] <Rain_Drop> but Hearth said she wasnt coming back to her...
01[09:31] <Alerderna> Anyways, we're getting off-track again.
[09:31] <Grease_Lightning> Yes, Hearth isn't returning, so don't use her
[09:32] <Rain_Drop> guh...I would ask what I am supposed to do with her then....
01[09:32] <Alerderna> brb
[09:32] <Rain_Drop> Mk
[09:32] <Grease_Lightning> Let her be a NPC?
[09:32] <Grease_Lightning> *an
01[09:33] <Alerderna> Right... So back to the trading thing.
[09:33] <Rain_Drop> mm trading thingy
01[09:33] <Alerderna> D'ya guys think it's too much along the lines of >godmodding, or d'ya think it could be expanded a bit more and a trade route could be established?
[09:34] <Rain_Drop> Im all up for a trade route that relies on their atitude to our dignataries and how we act as a town myself
[09:34] <Grease_Lightning> You know I'm already iffy on them being there, so it REALLY depends what they'd trade and how much
[09:34] <Rain_Drop> so if the town acts retarded their is a consequnce of it
01[09:35] <Alerderna> Being in the mountains, tho, they probably have access to things we doubtlessly don't get down here.
[09:36] <Grease_Lightning> being in the mountains, I'm doubting how much wood they would have access to
[09:36] <Rain_Drop> Hence access to mineral sites but >no tools
01[09:36] <Alerderna> Are pine trees a thing?
[09:36] <Rain_Drop> number wise I would ask Ikea, what would make sense for a small village of say, what Ale 50-100?
[09:36] <Grease_Lightning> Rain, they have lived here for generations [sic], why wouldn't they have tools?
01[09:36] <Alerderna> IIRC
[09:36] <Rain_Drop> Make in terms of fur, food, and crystals and such
01[09:37] <Alerderna> I bumped it down to 30-40
01[09:37] <Alerderna> And as for THEIR current tools, I'd say think stone-age equipment. Not perfect, but do-able, but breaks easily all the same time.
[09:37] <Rain_Drop> originals were broken and they didnt have enough to build new ones as they had used it in construction ? er I donna Aler had the idea of making their weaponary like the forsworn from Skyrim with made of stone and sticks and such
[09:37] <Grease_Lightning> >stoneage
06[09:38] * Alerderna takes sharp rock to thing for skin
[09:38] <Cheren> if they have access to minerals, the would be mining for metals like we're doing.
[09:38] <Cheren> it would take ages
[09:38] <Grease_Lightning> Why would they -need- minerals?
01[09:39] <Alerderna> I'm sure that, depending on what you offer, they wouldn't mind giving up some of their food and furs for more building materials.
01[09:39] <Alerderna> I'd imagine the lodge and houses would have furs pinned to the walls to act as insulation, so they'd likely have a lot of extras lying around.
01[09:39] <Alerderna> I think their trade list would look something like:
01[09:39] <Alerderna> Them - You
01[09:39] <Alerderna> Fur - Food
01[09:39] <Alerderna> Fur - Building materials
01[09:39] <Alerderna> Fur - Tools
01[09:39] <Alerderna> Wood - Food
01[09:39] <Alerderna> Wood - Tools
01[09:39] <Alerderna> Food - Food
01[09:39] <Alerderna> They might have other stuff like wooden toys to trade off.
01[09:39] <Alerderna> If you don't have a map of their local area, I'm sure they'd have one drawn out, so you could probably trade them for that. I'd imagine an item like that would be extremely useful for scouting parties, depending on the environment.
01[09:39] <Alerderna> On the promise that you could help their town grow and expand, and even flourish, I don't see any reason why they'd decline. Especially since they may have tons of fur to trade off, which could benefit other colonies and towns during the winter.
01[09:39] <Alerderna> The >other colonies | Thing was 'cause NukePone really didn't know about the whole >muh survival thing
01[09:39] <Alerderna> Again, one of those >leave no stone unturned things
[09:40] <Rain_Drop> well thats just it aint it ? they wouldnt have a need for the minerals so they wouldnt have those tools then, would that make better since?
01[09:40] <Alerderna> And I'd imagine there'd be pine trees aplenty in the mountain, too.
01[09:40] <Alerderna> er, muntains*
[09:40] <Grease_Lightning> If they didn't need the minerals, they wouldn't need the tools
01[09:40] <Alerderna> FFFFFF
01[09:40] <Alerderna> HOW TO ENGLISH
[09:40] <Rain_Drop> Since the whole idea would be that they were originally explorers and the like is that about right Ale?
[09:40] <Rain_Drop> Spelling helps
06[09:41] * Alerderna rests his tired noggin on Rain's. "Nuuuuuu...."
01[09:41] <Alerderna> It's an NPC-village? Alright, so let's get under the assumption that it's pre-established.
01[09:41] <Alerderna> Let's say, 70-80% of them are batponies. I don't know how big the village is supposed to be, but let's go with that.
01[09:41] <Alerderna> Maybe most of the residents are refugees that get lost in the wild.
01[09:41] <Alerderna> As for the village itself, given its location, it may be hard to import and export large things, such as building materials. This could support the reason why they choose such a simple layout for their town.
01[09:41] <Alerderna> Since we are under the assumption that it's a pre-established town, there's a good chance that they do have connections to other NPC towns further north assuming there are towns further north.
01[09:41] <Alerderna> If so, I doubt they'd have a problem trading with playable characters.
01[09:41] <Alerderna> If not, then maybe the playable characters would need to work for their trust. Maybe carry out some tasks, offer them gifts such as foods or tools.
01[09:41] <Alerderna> Food supply. That's a tricky one, since most of us here can't even agree to disagree on fruit vs. blood. Maybe they do eat an abundance of fruit. Maybe their hunters capture animals and give the blood and fur to bat ponies who feast on the blood and make clothing from the fur. If they go with the "don't waste anything" motive, then the meat from smaller creatures could be used to attract larger ones if they get gutsy enough, or they could store and rot the meat and use it as a deterrent for trespassers or other animals.
[09:41] <Rain_Drop> Ok then so there dont have tools to begin with to mine minerals, nad I am just saying that they have mineral sites as a temptation to the PCs to possible renact colonists on natives thing
[09:41] <Grease_Lightning> chatspam pls stop
[09:42] <Rain_Drop> i think  Ale is doin that cuz he thinks no one reads the pasty on his idea...
01[09:42] <Alerderna> ^
[09:42] <Cheren> So it's a gateway to the crystal empire then?
[09:43] <Rain_Drop> Could be
[09:43] <Rain_Drop> We never really decided on that to be fair
01[09:43] <Alerderna> Eh, I originally thought of it as a resting point for whom is ever lost in the mountains.
[09:43] <Grease_Lightning> CE would be further away then just across the mountains
[09:43] <Grease_Lightning> *than
[09:43] <Rain_Drop> how far is far?
01[09:43] <Alerderna> A safe haven where p0nes can stay for a few days. Or, if they so choose, stay there and help out said village.
[09:44] <Grease_Lightning> Also, I'm not sure you noticed, but this isn't the crystal mountain range that borders the town
01[09:44] <Alerderna> Though that's the Equestrian p0nes, Cannonites haven't even touched there.
[09:44] <Cheren> alright, bacon.
[09:45] <Cheren> besides crystal empire's towns consist of only the one in canon anyway. Everywhere else was a frozen wasteland, lel.
[09:45] <Rain_Drop> gah back to the trading thing if its a village of 40-50 or so then would the number they bring in be sine where like 10 or so units of fur, and if using the food methods of 15 units perday times 50 ponies and then for calculating a months worth of food a bat village would need 22500 units of food
[09:46] <Grease_Lightning> What the hell are you talking about?
01[09:46] <Alerderna> Probably gonig to cap it at 40 p0nes Rain.
[09:46] <Grease_Lightning> it's not 15 units per pony per day
[09:47] <Cheren> it's 15 units for 400 ponies per day
[09:47] <Cheren> for 40 it's 1.5 units per day during the winter
01[09:47] <Alerderna> Also, not to mention the odd traveller that'll come passing through for rest.
[09:47] <Grease_Lightning> that's ~56.25 units per month
01[09:47] <Alerderna> So it could fluctuate...
[09:47] <Grease_Lightning> >the odd traveller that'll come passing through
[09:48] <Grease_Lightning> that's my biggest problem
[09:48] <Grease_Lightning> we're literally in the middle of nowhere
01[09:48] <Alerderna> >the odd
01[09:48] <Alerderna> Meaning once in a blue moon.
[09:48] <Rain_Drop> well actually thats kinda a iffy thing for me Bacon
[09:48] <Grease_Lightning> >travel through the mountains in the middle of nowhere
01[09:48] <Alerderna> >what is being lost
[09:48] <Rain_Drop> if we are on the frontier right why is it that we are near the middle of the country/kingdom?
[09:49] <Grease_Lightning> we're not?
[09:49] <Rain_Drop> Well are we on the northern border of Equestria then?
[09:49] <Grease_Lightning> pretty much
[09:49] <Rain_Drop> and if so wouldnt that mean we be higher longitudly to mane haten and trotting ham?
[09:50] <Rain_Drop> Oh okaay so then would CE be closer to us then Canterlot? since tey are our northern neighbor and all
[09:50] <Grease_Lightning> Yes, CE is naturally closer to us than Canterlot
[09:51] <Rain_Drop> Okay so about 56.25 for food units they bring in on a monthly basis right? so then gah how do I into maths liek ikea pone?
[09:51] <Ikea> well, more that they consume that much
[09:52] <Cheren> Hi Ikea!
[09:52] <Ikea> I rather doubt that an isolated village would produce a surplus, though
[09:52] <Rain_Drop> ok then, so how do I go about figuring out how they much they make?
[09:52] <Cheren> or much of one anyway
[09:52] <Ikea> Heya, Cheren
[09:52] <Rain_Drop> Say about 5-10 units more than what they eat then?
[09:52] <Grease_Lightning> http://i.imgur.com/dh5DC4e.jpg
[09:52] <Grease_Lightning> we are approximately at the circled area
01[09:53] <Alerderna> uuurrrrhhhh, ready for more copy and pastes?
[09:53] <Grease_Lightning> pls no
01[09:53] <Alerderna> o ok...
[09:53] <Ikea> honestly, I don't like that location
[09:53] <Cheren> >dat map. ugh...
01[09:53] <Alerderna> D'ya have the Pastebin open at least, bay-kun?
[09:53] <Rain_Drop> the one with nuke pony right?
[09:54] <Rain_Drop> I got mine copy open
[09:54] <Cheren> linky plz, aler?
[09:54] <Grease_Lightning> That's the official map after all, Chere
[09:54] <Rain_Drop> but yeah they could trade us for food too then
[09:54] <Ikea> if we're meant to be a frontier town, we should probably be further out
01[09:54] <Alerderna> http://pastebin.com/Etpw3KRX
[09:54] <Cheren> thanks'
[09:54] <Grease_Lightning> It's not to scale
[09:54] <Rain_Drop> ^ thats what I thought too Ikea
[09:54] <Ikea> honestly, I'd say we're -in- the frozen north
01[09:55] <Alerderna> Wanted to clarify something for Bay-kun, too. The origins. Go to #47 on the bin.
[09:55] <Ikea> anyway, 1.5 units/day == 547.5 units per year
[09:55] <Ikea> sooo.... an even 600 ought to be alright
[09:55] <Grease_Lightning> If we were IN the frozen north, we wouldn't have nice summer weather
[09:55] <Cheren> http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff381/Renofunk/Globe1.png is at least part of the globe.
[09:56] <Grease_Lightning> it would literally be frozen all the time
[09:56] <Ikea> [citation needed]
[09:56] <Rain_Drop> love how we seem to act like we game devs and shit for a game
[09:56] <Rain_Drop> hue
01[09:56] <Alerderna> Weren't we based in Sweden or something/
01[09:56] <Alerderna> ?
[09:57] <Rain_Drop> Canada
[09:57] <Cheren> canadia
[09:57] <Rain_Drop> weather wise
[09:57] <Grease_Lightning> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoG5deDiqug
[09:57] <Ikea> scandinavia/canada
01[09:57] <Alerderna> Ah.
[09:57] <Ikea> more cananda since no based gulf stream
[09:57] <Grease_Lightning> notice the weather in the first scene
[09:57] <Grease_Lightning> go 7 minutes in
[09:57] <Grease_Lightning> notice the weather
[09:57] <Grease_Lightning> sorry, 8 minutes in
[09:58] <Rain_Drop> lotsa snow
01[09:58] <Alerderna> Right. Friendly reminder, I will be Pastebinning this entire conversation and posting it in the thread, seeing as some of the Anon's wanted it so.
[09:58] <Grease_Lightning> You see the change in weather?
[09:58] <Grease_Lightning> from nice day to snow storm?
[09:59] <Rain_Drop> yeah
01[09:59] <Alerderna> >nice day to snow storm
[09:59] <Rain_Drop> well could argue the fact that Canterlot is a hell of a long ways away from CE
01[09:59] <Alerderna> Wendigo's pls go
[09:59] <Ikea> well, 1. we don't know the season. 2. just because part of the frozen north is all frozen all the time doesn't mean that it's all that way...
[09:59] <Grease_Lightning> Aler pls stop
01[09:59] <Alerderna> 1,1pls
[10:00] <Grease_Lightning> I wonder why it's called the FROZEN north then
[10:00] <Grease_Lightning> not just the cold north
01[10:00] <Alerderna> urrrhhhh, I kinda lost my train of thought. What topic are we on now?\
[10:00] <Ikea> why is iceland called iceland and not volcano island?
[10:00] <Ikea> >implying names have meanings
[10:00] <Cheren> because Vikings
[10:00] <Cheren> They switched greenland and Iceland names around
[10:01] <Rain_Drop> Topic wise I think we still on the trade things that bats could give us
[10:01] <Grease_Lightning> Yes, I bet that whole snowstorm was just a big coincident
[10:01] <Rain_Drop> and what they can give
[10:01] <Ikea> why is Greenland called Greenland when it's mostly glaciers?
[10:01] <Grease_Lightning> Because they wanted people to come live there
[10:01] <Grease_Lightning> History pls
[10:01] <Rain_Drop> I would also argue that Sombra pulled some kinda pull shit with the "Freezing" of the crystal empire
[10:01] <Ikea> ...
01[10:01] <Alerderna> Anyways, brb. gunna smoke and grab a couple things.
[10:01] <Ikea> bacon, pls
[10:02] <Grease_Lightning> Sombra wasn't around for hundreds if not thousands of years
[10:02] <Grease_Lightning> he made the CE disappear, not live in snowstorm
[10:02] <Ikea> well, regardless, we should probably be closer to the crystal mountains than that map assumes
[10:03] <Ikea> if not north of them then at least at the foot of them
[10:03] <Grease_Lightning> Which part of NOT TO SCALE don't you get?
[10:03] <Ikea> which part don't you get?
[10:03] <Ikea> the area is empty
[10:03] <Rain_Drop> Words were frozen the CE but eh, I can let it drop thouhg it does seem a bit weird that the citty and surounding areas looked to  be in the middle of freakin summer inside the bubble shield Candyass had made
[10:03] <Grease_Lightning> I know what not to scale means
[10:03] <Ikea> there is nothing between canterlot and the crystal mountains
[10:04] <Grease_Lightning> Our location was near Neighagara Falls but south of the mountains
[10:04] <Grease_Lightning> that's why we were located approximately there
[10:04] <Ikea> if the map is only meant to be symbolic, then that part of the map woulnd't be there
[10:04] <Rain_Drop> BUt Ikea Food numbers for bat village and what they could trade is more or less finished righ t? 1.5 per pony  or so?
[10:04] <Ikea> No, Rain, that's what they need to survive
[10:05] <Rain_Drop> ah so we still need to figure out what they could make then
[10:05] <Ikea> I don't think they'd be able to trade any food. Maybe food - food, but no excess
[10:05] <Ikea> also, that's circular logic, Bacon
[10:06] <Rain_Drop> hm...well using the same methods we used for farmin could we modify it to show orchards that way and make a formula for what they could hunt then?
[10:06] <Ikea> we're close to the falls because that spot was picked, not the other way around
[10:06] <Grease_Lightning> No, Ikea, near Neighagra and south of the mountains support that location
[10:06] <Grease_Lightning> that was decided BEFORE the location was chosen
[10:06] <Ikea> nope
[10:06] <Grease_Lightning> yes
[10:06] <Rain_Drop> so would heading east then mean we hit Neighagra then?
[10:06] <Grease_Lightning> south east
[10:06] <Ikea> I remember it, map was posted and people talked about how we were close to the falls
[10:07] <Ikea> that was never mentioned before that
[10:07] <Grease_Lightning> [citation needed]
[10:07] <Ikea> actualy, you're arguing that it was said earlier, that means burden of proof is on you
[10:07] <Ikea> can't prove a negative
[10:08] <Rain_Drop> so we argiuning over where we are in relation to CE then that right?
[10:08] <Grease_Lightning> if the worldmap was posted but no location was chosen BEFORE THAT, and people decided that they wanted to be near it, that means that people wanted it to be near it BEFORE the location was decided
[10:09] <Ikea> >the location was arbitrarily decided, therefore all implications of the choice are true
[10:09] <Ikea> circular. logic.
[10:10] <Ikea> anyway... Food probably wouldn't be produced enough to trade. Might be able to trade our foods for their foods, to get access to foods that we can't grow
[10:10] <Ikea> I think mangos were mentioned?
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[10:13] <Ikea> not sure if I like the stoneage bit, but if that's true then tools would be very good to trade with them
[10:13] <Grease_Lightning> No Ikea, the map was posted first [citing you] and people decided that they wanted to be near the falls and south of the mountains after looking at the map [citing you]. A location that fits BOTH descriptions was decided. That is that location
[10:13] <Ikea> nooo...
01[10:13] <Alerderna> Aaaand back.
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[10:13] <Grease_Lightning> You can try to buzz is all you want, but that doesn't make it right
[10:13] <Grease_Lightning> *buzz it
[10:14] <Ikea> map was posted and people decided on that location because it was north of canterlot and had a river
[10:14] <Ikea> no other considerations were taken
[10:14] <Grease_Lightning> Citation please
[10:14] <Ikea> again... burden of proof...
[10:14] <Rain_Drop> sorry Dced what I miss?
[10:14] <Grease_Lightning> No, this is something YOU are trying to prove
[10:15] <Ikea> can't prove a negative...
[10:15] <Ikea> *anyway... Food probably wouldn't be produced enough to trade. Might be able to trade our foods for their foods, to get access to foods that we can't grow
[10:15] <Ikea> *I think mangos were mentioned?
[10:15] <Ikea> *not sure if I like the stoneage bit, but if that's true then tools would be very good to trade with them
[10:15] <Grease_Lightning> YOU are trying to prove that "map was posted and people decided on that location because it was north of canterlot and had a river. no other considerations were taken"
[10:15] <Cheren> That German customs is a pain in the ass. Said they couldn't reach Lucy today and the deadline's tomorrow. Also promised to try and get back to me with the prices of sending the stuff back.
01[10:16] <Alerderna> Mango's were mentioned, yes, but as the Pastebin said, it'd be too far from the Equator to grow.
01[10:16] <Alerderna> That being said,
01[10:16] <Alerderna> Discussed the greenhouse thing aformentioned with Rain through PM's, seeing as she's Ms. Agriculture n all.
[10:16] <Ikea> riight... so I'm argeing that there were no other considerations. you're arguing that there were...
[10:17] <Ikea> which of these has a negative statement?
[10:17] <Grease_Lightning> Please, Ikea
01[10:17] <Alerderna> Possibility for mango wine, yes, but 3/4's of the attempt to grow mangoes in the greenhouse would flop, and leave them a limited supply.
01[10:18] <Alerderna> So, mango wine for a rite of initiation/celebration type thing. But used sparingly, seeing as supplies would be very limited.
[10:18] <Rain_Drop> Also CE is in Artic, so I have to ask why they would set up shop there unless the artic hadnt gotten that cold in the first place and a 1k years had cuased a global climate change or something to that affect
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[10:18] <Rain> A tech upgrade we could possibly try to finagle from them, provided we try to become their best friends would be that cyrstal sheets that I want to try to explore more in depth with
[10:19] <Rain> god damn it net stop being kill
[10:19] <Rain> waht I said before;Yeah Mangos where mentioned if they were able to use cystrals as a means of making the greenhouses to make the exotic fruit grow, but that would be something simlair to their rarest resource food wise vs the cherries, apples and shit what was the last...
[10:19] <Rain> [09:19] <Rain_Drop> Pears
[10:19] <Rain> [09:20] <Rain_Drop> We dont have access to those as they tend to require a retarded amount of time to grow and the like so we could do trade with them for some of those kinds of food
[10:19] <Rain> Sorry
[10:20] <Ikea> hmm, ok
[10:20] <Rain> So does that make sense so far?
[10:21] <Ikea> yeah
01[10:21] <Alerderna> That being said yet again,
[10:21] <Ikea> ok, so they an excess of Furs and Wood?
01[10:22] <Alerderna> some hand picked PC's I wanted to bring is >one with deductive reasoning >one extra flier >and one that could act as an Emissary for 4C so to speak
01[10:22] <Alerderna> They'd have a surplus of furs, yes.
[10:22] <Rain> Food that they can spare/commonplace apples cherries and pears , something they consider good friends with; Mangos and close allies would be the tech thing with the crystals that, hm I have an idea of them using their bat screeches to shape the cystals by utilizing the sonic qualities of the crystal for it to break off the main cluster in rough shapes that they then use resin to bind
[10:22] <Rain> it together
01[10:22] <Alerderna> Wood, it's still trying to be established, seeing as my question hasn't been answered yet.
01[10:22] <Alerderna> Question is >wouldn't there be an abundance of pine trees in the mountains?
[10:22] <Rain> Pine wood for them ? Yeah I can seee that
[10:23] <Ikea> yeah, ofcourse
[10:23] <Rain> heck if they are north of the river of us we could start a logging river thing
01[10:23] <Alerderna> And juniper bush twigs for tying things up.
[10:23] <Rain> would they be near the begining of the river Ale?
[10:23] <Ikea> as long as it's below the tree line
[10:23] <Rain> Mm sounds good to me
01[10:23] <Alerderna> Hmm... Does anyone have the map IMGUR'd?
[10:24] <Ikea> http://i.imgur.com/SQT9bIp.jpg
[10:24] <Rain> no but i can go and do that, tho I have to check and see if Sparky has sent me map segment to do labeling...
[10:24] <Rain> oh hey thanks Ikea!
01[10:24] <Alerderna> uuuurrrrrhhhh
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01[10:24] <Alerderna> y dis have no grid letter number combination thing
01[10:25] <Alerderna> But anyways, was thinking in between the two rivers.
01[10:25] <Alerderna> Who knows, a small river might run through it.
[10:25] <Grease_Lightning> So, Ikea when did you join, just a curious question
[10:25] <Rain> North of the hillside caverns?
[10:25] <Ikea> thread 9
[10:26] <Grease_Lightning> Right, Part 3 (technically 2nd thread.) Was when we discussed location of the town
01[10:26] <Alerderna> Yes north of there Rain, gib sec, will make a mark to be more specific
[10:27] <Rain> Small river could work Ale by the way, have it be melted snow from the mountains to as that would make sense I think plus have a bit of the flooded...oh cripes hahaha I just realized that the vault is going to get flooded
[10:27] <Rain> when the spring thaw comes in the river is gonna get swollena dn flood the banks
[10:27] <Rain> which means almost submerging the catacombs entrance and flooding it I think haha
01[10:29] <Alerderna> http://i.imgur.com/e2h9v09.jpg Potential locations marked with red dots, whilst still trying to stick with BIR's landscape arts.
[10:30] <Grease_Lightning> you might wanna use a bigger brush in future
[10:31] <Rain> i would go for the one on the southern most of the bunch
[10:32] <Rain> as the lines there look simlair to a river line if you played it right
[10:32] <Cheren> There was talk of the catacombs entrance being further north of the town
[10:32] <Cheren> since the hole there wouldn't make sense
[10:32] <Rain> you mean at y9?
01[10:32] <Alerderna> http://i.imgur.com/QYACoWn.jpg http://i.imgur.com/uGkQCf9.jpg
[10:32] <Rain> or that lil hillside off to the west of MIstveil sorry
[10:33] <Rain> wooooow
[10:33] <Rain> BIR is really good at landscape
01[10:34] <Alerderna> aye. He really likes doing it, too.
[10:34] <Rain> that reminds me i should try drawing something again...
[10:34] <Rain> when i have the time...
[10:34] <Rain> bah anyway was trade options ofthe bats finalized?
01[10:34] <Alerderna> There's more to come, too.
[10:34] <Cheren> Not that far north Rain, in the woods somewhere between the town and y9
01[10:34] <Alerderna> Kind of like a ground-level view of the entrance and inside of the village, too.
01[10:35] <Alerderna> Ahm, I think we established that trade with village would be beneficial for both sides. We get fur, they get better materials for labor.
[10:35] <Rain> Alright that sounds good to me Chere
[10:36] <Rain> Beneficial yeah I meant like the details of the trade as I think thats what a lot of folks are going to argue about
01[10:37] <Alerderna> That and they were arguing wether or not it would be a visitable thing. Which I don't think so, 'cause realistically, it'd probably take 2-3 days of travel by walking.
[10:37] <Rain> I offered up the whole food thing thanks to based Ikea for number crunchin it out and the things that they would react culturally wise and a tech thing they could trade us if we were close friends
[10:37] <Rain> good point mountainous terrain n all
01[10:38] <Alerderna> brb
[10:38] <Rain> mk
[10:39] <Rain> So food and tech upgrade settled I guess? Whats next the pinewood and such which is what they have a lot of, if thats the case how much you think they make vs what they burn for firewood or construction means?
01[10:39] <Alerderna> back
[10:39] <Rain> that was fast
01[10:39] <Alerderna> I stand up to go to the bathroom hue.
[10:39] <Rain> nice
[10:39] <Rain> okay so Ikea would it be something along the lines of .5 worth of lumber brought in per pony?
[10:40] <Rain> or .25 if we going with NPC < PC worthwhile work/motivation to get shit done?
01[10:41] <Alerderna> Not to mention travel time/.
[10:41] <Rain> Mm in the case of travel time could sneak in minievents, like seeing a new fuana or a bear coming by to say allo
01[10:42] <Alerderna> muh squidbears
[10:42] <Rain> then end the day and start up anew next day, with a bit more on the traveling again and then another event then ending it up for another day of travel
[10:42] <Rain> then have the whole reveal of Baitvillage
[10:42] <Rain> er batvillage
[10:42] <Rain> heh
01[10:42] <Alerderna> >Baitvillage
01[10:42] <Alerderna> I giggl'd/10
01[10:43] <Alerderna> hmmm
01[10:43] <Alerderna> Believe it or not, I have begun IC hype kinda.
[10:43] <Rain> also did the number crunch with the amount of lumber pones would make suing he .5 numbers they appreantly would make 750 units of lumber...does that make sense for 50 ponies?
[10:43] <Rain> Sweet!
01[10:43] <Alerderna> >be me >patrolling outer perimiter >seeing hoofprints and bone morsels not left by me >I dare not go any further north without someone else with me
[10:45] <Rain> seems like good IC reasons for a quest! at least tome at anyrate
[10:45] <Rain> alsoseems awfully ded
[10:45] <Rain> Cheren Ikea Bacon you all go to sleep?
[10:45] <Grease_Lightning> Not yet
[10:46] <Grease_Lightning> Dunno about Ikea, he seems to have gone to bed early lately
[10:46] <Ikea> I sort of have, yeah
[10:46] <Grease_Lightning> How far north/south are you thinking, Aler?
01[10:46] <Alerderna> Oh, right. Along the topics of grown things, hang on
01[10:46] <Alerderna> I assume you guys go for hyper-realism, so magic wouldn't work.
01[10:46] <Alerderna> Apples, pears, cherries. All three are good choices for local fruits.
01[10:46] <Alerderna> Mangoes would probably have to come from somewhere closer to Hollow Shades or the Everfree Forest, maybe even farther south in the forests north of the Badlands.
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01[10:47] <Alerderna> And, regarding the location, bay-kun?
01[10:47] <Alerderna> Or the IC hype?
[10:47] <Grease_Lightning> Where you noticed stuff
[10:47] <Grease_Lightning> I doubt hunters would fare too far from the town
01[10:47] <Alerderna> uuurrrrhhhh, one tick. Time to mark stuff off yet again on the map.
[10:48] <Grease_Lightning> because even with 1.5 days travel from batville, it'd still be 3 days return trip
[10:48] <Rain> hey actually could explain that via culture
[10:49] <Ikea> hmm...
[10:49] <Ikea> slight issue with the lumber...
[10:49] <Grease_Lightning> Thing is, Rain
[10:49] <Rain> Every year or so the bat ponies in wanting to still find their old home send out there best hunters to map out the area and try to find the way back given only a few days to look they tend to do it on a tradition type thing
[10:49] <Grease_Lightning> They'd have to bring food out there, and if they are hunters, they'd have to already have enough food in town
[10:50] <Ikea> assuming that each building counts as a medium recidence, that's 7*8*36.2 units of wood per year of firewood
[10:50] <Grease_Lightning> 2k units of firewood
[10:51] <Grease_Lightning> that's a lot of firewood
[10:51] <Ikea> and even counting them as PCs, that's 40 ponies just to get the lumber...
[10:52] <Rain> to be fair they started out as like what 20 or so origin story wise and the buildings could be added in over generations as they went
01[10:52] <Alerderna> http://i.imgur.com/mcsmEU7.jpg 9000 hours is MS Paint
[10:52] <Rain> since the whole mead hall thing might have been a way to conserve heat n do the thing with what they had
01[10:53] <Alerderna> Lines = hoof prints, lame ass circles = resting spots discovered
[10:53] <Ikea> mmm, I'm going by Ruby's number of 15 cords per Inn-sized building
[10:53] <Ikea> 1 cord ~= 3.6 m^3
[10:53] <Grease_Lightning> that's a lot of resting spots and far from town (thinking of mountain terrain)
01[10:54] <Alerderna> Again, I dare not go further unless I have someone with me.
[10:54] <Grease_Lightning> Do you mean resting spots as in overnight?
01[10:55] <Alerderna> Resting spots as in, spots I've seen that have obvious evidence of them taking a break and just surverying the land.
[10:55] <Rain> think he ment more like they sat down
[10:55] <Rain> also Ikea did the numbers go through?
[10:55] <Rain> Or do they need some tweakin?
[10:55] <Grease_Lightning> They'd have to be rather heavy to leave much mark, if there's snow falling
[10:56] <Grease_Lightning> Or you'd have to miss them by mere minutes
01[10:57] <Alerderna> brb
[11:00] <Ikea> ok
01[11:00] <Alerderna> uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
01[11:01] <Alerderna> And it doesn't nessicarily snow all the time.
01[11:01] <Alerderna> All the while, even if there's fresh powder on the ground, there'd still be specific formations in the snow.
[11:01] <Ikea> so, if every bat counts as 6 PCs, which isn't too improbable considering how skill affects the output of workers, we're down to ~7 lumberjacks
[11:02] <Ikea> assuming that a stone axe is a third as efficient as a metal axe, that's 20 lumberjacks to stay aloat
[11:02] <Ikea> afloat*
[11:03] <Rain> half the village as lumber jacks and other havf is farmers or hunters... yeah that makes sense i think
[11:03] <Ikea> well, then there would be elders and children...
[11:04] <Ikea> though, they'd probably work into old age and start working early
[11:04] <Ikea> so, should be ok
[11:05] <Rain> nothin lik e good hard work to make honest folk
[11:05] <Rain> and dicipline too
01[11:05] <Alerderna> Muh diciprine
[11:06] <Rain> he y it kinda blurry now, it ok i go 2 bed?
01[11:06] <Alerderna> Maybe little shop-booths settled in front of the houses. Not a lot, maybe one for every house. Six houses? Eight? Maybe they're family homes, maybe they're community houses, kind of like dorms.
01[11:06] <Alerderna> Some of the citizens are loggers, some hunters and gatherers, maybe scouts to alert the rest of the town of any danger.
[11:06] <Rain> i mena I helped out and gave lots of feedback right?
06[11:07] * Alerderna petpats the Rain. "Yes. Yes you did."
01[11:09] <Alerderna> Alright... So trading with said village has now been established that it isn't >godmodding?
[11:10] <Ikea> yeah, I'd say that's a safe assumption
01[11:11] <Alerderna> Aite, Pastebinning all this.