20:06 < MatthTheGeek> fenrir: what exactly does it tell you when you try to run without the MVPs
20:06 < fenrir> it says: "error. the pilot savefile for this campaign is invalid for the current mod"
20:07 < MageKing17> O_o
20:07 < MageKing17> Have you tried 3.7.2 RC4?
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20:07 < fenrir> not as a popup, but ingame in the tech room and when selecting my pilot
20:07 < fenrir> no
20:07 < MageKing17> The tech room? Pilots aren't selected in the tech room...
20:08 < fenrir> no, before that, just after starting the game
20:08 < z64555> player selection popup
20:08 < fenrir> it shows me the message when selecting the pilot and then again when I want to select the missions
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20:10 < z64555> Were you playing another mod prior to switching?
20:10 < fenrir> no, just mediavps, nothing else
20:10 < z64555> Did you play any missions in the FS2 campaign?
20:11 < MageKing17> I cannot imagine why that error would be displayed when switching from the MediaVPs to no mods...
20:11 < z64555> ok, dumb question. sorry
20:11 <@HerraTohtori> this sounds like a pilot file issue
20:11 <@HerraTohtori> somehow
20:12 <@HerraTohtori> might need to create new pilot (clone the existing if you want to preserve your control settings) and then try the mission from the tech room to test if you still get same crash
20:12 < z64555> probably has to do with how the engine checks the campaign file vs. the selected mod
20:12 < fenrir> I've had a pilot file issue when I started the game after like 6 missions. had to start all over again
20:12 < fenrir> but on the second try, I've had no problem up to this point
20:12 < MageKing17> z64555: The error should only be displayed if the pilot's data is showing as ]invalid], not just because a different mod is selected.
20:13 < z64555> fenrir: are you sure it was just mediavps and not fsport?
20:14  * z64555 checks the scrollback for the fs2open.log
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20:14 < MageKing17> Using FSPort would not cause the pilot file to be invalid.
20:14 < fenrir> sure
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20:15 < z64555> yep, says it right there "-mod MediaVPS_2014"
20:15 < fenrir> I tried cloning and selecting the mission, but I can't select previously completed missions via the cloned pilot. it's like a newly started campaign...
20:16 < z64555> aaand, has this been mantis-ed?
20:16 < MageKing17> fenrir: Go to the tech room, campaign missions, then hit ctrl+shift+s to make them all visible (temporarily).
20:16 < fenrir> ok
20:17 < MageKing17> It is possible this is a pilot file bug that was fixed between 3.7.2 RC3 and 3.7.2 RC4.
20:18 < Hellzed> so, this "invalid pilot file" is a bug. I've been switching campaign and fso builds a lot, and hitting this many times
20:18 < MageKing17> Hellzed: I have never encountered this, and I've been using the same pilot file with every mod since 3.7.0 was released.
20:18 < fenrir> that worked but resulted in exactly the same outcome as with the mediavps mod... the game crashed when starting the mission
20:18 < MageKing17> Hmm.
20:18 < z64555> I've come across it whenever I switched mods when I still had an active campaign
20:19 < fenrir> so it isn't the pilot file...
20:19 < MageKing17> And yet your checksums all match mine.
20:19 < z64555> this is in addition to the player controls being defaulted here and there
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20:21 < fenrir> and it looked different. just like the original fs2. so it surely isn't because of the mod
20:21 <@HerraTohtori> time to make a debug filter and post a new log?
20:22 < MageKing17> I also highly recommend using 3.7.2 RC4.
20:22 < fenrir> yes, as soon as I have "normal" internet next month, I will download it. but I still believe the mod isn't the problem
20:23 < MageKing17> 3.7.2 RC4 is a newer version of the engine; it has nothing to do with the MediaVPs.
20:23 < MageKing17> http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=88178
20:23 < BotenAlfred> Release: 3.7.2 RC4
20:23 < fenrir> oh yeah, my bad, I forgot
20:23 < MageKing17> (Or the FSO installer from www.fsoinstaller.com can install it.)
20:24 < MatthTheGeek> ceramic plates seems to be out of order, got circuit break twice this evening
20:24 < MatthTheGeek> what did I miss