Stipsi: Competitive Moderator Point of View

18:40 <Stipsi>Yo, from now on if you have something to report, do it in PM. It's the best way since none of the staff lurks in the reports lists on forum.
18:41 <IcyMew>I did report it.
18:41 <IcyMew>I reported the post
18:41 <IcyMew>I reported it to dynamo
18:41 <IcyMew>I went to staff
18:41 <IcyMew>I've exhausted all appropriate channels
18:41 <IcyMew>And no one has responded
18:41 <IcyMew>I place this failure on the shoulders of the staff and now I'm calling you all out.
18:41 <IcyMew>There's no reason for this.
18:41 <IcyMew>Whatsoever at all.
18:42 <Stipsi>You do realize that the staff is completely fucked up lately? We lack admins, people with access to some services, plus forum is being hacked. Add the fact that most of us has a life so we aren't 24/7 alive.
18:43 <IcyMew>I completely realize this.
18:43 <IcyMew>But when I go into #Staff and am met with a fucking deal with it.
18:43 <IcyMew>That's too damn much
18:43 <IcyMew>Get some people who can do the job.
18:43 <Stipsi>I wasn't on when you had that discussion with Iced
18:43 <Stipsi>I would've taken care of it
18:43 <IcyMew>Well everything's laid out.
18:43 <IcyMew>IT's not just that
18:43 <IcyMew>Check the thread mate.
18:43 <IcyMew>REad it
18:43 <Stipsi>I read the whole thing
18:43 <IcyMew>Read the pastes before talking abot this please.
18:43 <IcyMew>Pastes too?
18:43 <IcyMew>Threads too?
18:43 <IcyMew>All links?
18:43 <IcyMew>All responding threads?
18:44 <IcyMew>If you had you would realize I went through the proper channels.
18:44 <Stipsi>yeah, I was on, I was present in all pastebins
18:44 <IcyMew>Then why are you telling me to PM about stuff I clearly attempted to PM about?
18:44 <IcyMew>I'm not going to go all desperate and forum PM. I took it to staff here.
18:44 <IcyMew>I wanted immediate response. You really can't  fault me for my method whatsoever.
18:44 <Stipsi>Because I can't accept the fact you're accusing the staff like it doesn't give a shit of anything
18:45 <IcyMew>Now where did I say the staff doesn't care? I stated that abuse goes unpunished that doesnt' constitute a global judgement of the staff to that degree.
18:45 <IcyMew>That sounds like you are being defensive as shit.
18:45 <Stipsi>We're having our issues, we can't take care of such trifles
18:45 <IcyMew>Abuse is a trifle?
18:45 <IcyMew>You just made yourself out just now to not give a shit
18:45 <IcyMew>In my book
18:46 <IcyMew>So clap yourself on the bak
18:46 <IcyMew>Back*
18:46 <IcyMew>If you consider
18:46 <IcyMew>The abuse of someone
18:46 <IcyMew>A trifle
18:46 <IcyMew>You clearly do not have proper priorities.
18:46 <IcyMew>People
18:46 <IcyMew>Come.
18:46 <IcyMew>First.
18:46 <IcyMew>Straight up in my book before anything else.
18:46 <Stipsi>Letting the forum die is better than abyssing some stupid poll thread?
18:46 <IcyMew>So you're telling me that if you stepped out of your zone or someone for ten seconds to acknowledge my points.
18:46 <IcyMew>It would make the forums die?
18:46 <IcyMew>And you just boiled my problems down to that
18:46 <IcyMew>IT's more than that
18:47 <IcyMew>It's about how the abusive arguments
18:47 <IcyMew>Wrecked my threads.
18:47 <IcyMew>It's about
18:47 <IcyMew>It's about general hostility
18:47 <IcyMew>It's about all of this bullshit
18:47 <IcyMew>It's bigger than me damnit
18:47 <IcyMew>Open your eyes.
18:47 <Stipsi>I'm just saying that our current staff is completely inactive
18:47 <Stipsi>The only competitive staff is the one you're talking to right now
18:48 <IcyMew>As I said before, if you leave things as they are or god forbid let the people Dynamo wants to be it in.
18:48 <IcyMew>This will get much worse.
18:48 <IcyMew>I'm speaking
18:48 <IcyMew>Out of concern in my heart.
18:48 <IcyMew>Because I care so DAMN much.
18:48 <IcyMew>How DARE you come down on me like that for one.
18:48 <Stipsi>People like Dynamo don't give a fuck about competitive scene
18:48 <IcyMew>Taking my words as a global judgement.
18:48 <IcyMew>I'm quite the heck aware.
18:48 <IcyMew>I already hammered him
18:49 <IcyMew>And told him if you can't do your job
18:49 <IcyMew>Find someone who fucking can.
18:49 <IcyMew>I'm calling this shit out because I've had enough.
18:49 <IcyMew>I went through the channels
18:49 <IcyMew>I did my part.
18:49 <Stipsi>I'm the only one who can
18:49 <Stipsi>But I'm mostly inactive
18:49 <IcyMew>Okay. So...find someone who is active who cares to do it.
18:49 <IcyMew>That simple.
18:49 <Stipsi>Disguise and TTA can also give a contribute
18:49 <IcyMew>If you cannot do your job
18:49 <IcyMew>Step the hell aside.
18:49 <IcyMew>I will not see Skulltag go to hell
18:50 <IcyMew>Because of the failure of those who have not the time to care for it
18:50 <IcyMew>Or at the hands of such trolls.
18:50 <IcyMew>Not in a million years.
18:50 <IcyMew>I'd do whatever it takes.
18:50 <IcyMew>Bias and bullshit aside.
18:50 <Stipsi>That's the problem, WHO can do our job?
18:50 <Stipsi>Jenova 2012?
18:51 <IcyMew>Self nomination. I'm experienced with forums and the competitive community and I am well known for making enemies through hammering even my closest friends when they break the rules
18:51 <IcyMew>Ask anyone.
18:51 <IcyMew>I can do whatever the fuck needs done.
18:51 <IcyMew>Straight up.
18:51 <IcyMew>II hate to nominate myself
18:51 <IcyMew>But if you all have no better idea.
18:51 <IcyMew>Then shit.
18:51 <IcyMew>It seems I'm the only one who gives a fuck.
18:51 <Stipsi>Even if we had suitable people for the job
18:51 <IcyMew>Either apply the rules
18:51 <IcyMew>Or make new ones.
18:52 <Stipsi>We need the approval of the lead admin
18:52 <Stipsi>and where is Cyber right now?
18:52 <IcyMew>He's not here.
18:52 <Stipsi>Exactly.
18:52 <IcyMew>So you going to let shit languish like this?
18:52 <IcyMew>Don't you have a contingency protocol?
18:52 <IcyMew>A chain of command?
18:52 <IcyMew>Seriously where is the planning in this?
18:52 <IcyMew>Straight. Up.
18:52 <IcyMew>Always.
18:52 <IcyMew>Have a backup plan.
18:53 <Stipsi>Our continency protocol is to nominate another lead admin
18:53 <IcyMew>I love you Stipsi and I am not trying to be mean
18:53 <Stipsi>But it needs Cyber's demotion
18:53 <IcyMew>But if you are going to do something
18:53 <IcyMew>Do it now.
18:53 <IcyMew>It's coming apart at the seams.
18:53 <IcyMew>The time is now
18:53 <Stipsi>Yo, it's my job
18:53 <IcyMew>There's no another time.
18:54 <IcyMew>I'm quite aware.
18:54 <IcyMew>But you know as well as I do what's happening right now.
18:54 <IcyMew>This has gone on long enough and you know it.
18:54 <IcyMew>What's it going to take before it's enough?
18:54 <IcyMew>Put the bullshit procrastination aside.
18:54 <IcyMew>And take action.
18:54 <IcyMew>I'm only pressing this hard because I care.
18:54 <IcyMew>If I'm wrong PLEASE tell me how I am.
18:55 <IcyMew>Because all I see is valid points with no refute.
18:55 <Stipsi>I'm just defending the current staff since it's only composed by new and unexperienced people
18:55 <IcyMew>There's no excuse.
18:55 <IcyMew>They know what they signed up for.
18:55 <IcyMew>And if they didn't they don't belong.
18:55 <IcyMew>I won't see this turn into ZDaemon.
18:55 <Stipsi>I can't defend Dynamo though
18:55 <IcyMew>And I won't see it die.
18:55 <IcyMew>Stop defending
18:55 <IcyMew>And open your mind
18:55 <IcyMew>I'm not attacking
18:55 <IcyMew>I am POINTING out
18:55 <IcyMew>I'm attacking what I see as wrong
18:56 <IcyMew>Don't see this personal
18:56 <IcyMew>SEe it as a threat to the port
18:56 <IcyMew>Because it fucking is
18:56 <IcyMew>Seriously, relax.
18:56 <IcyMew>Talk to me Stipsi.
18:59 <IcyMew>Are you there or are you busy?
19:00 <Stipsi>I guess it's not clear. You ARE right. Thus if there are no excuses for this current staff, next time just PM me and tell me what you think it's right to be done.
19:00 <IcyMew>Wait what.
19:00 <IcyMew>Stipsi is somehting wrong?
19:01 <IcyMew>I'm pretty tripped up by that.
19:04 <Stipsi>But please, try at least to ignore those who attempt to "abuse". The competitive scene is full of idiots, we can't change their attitude. Anyone can be trolled or harassed.
19:04 <Stipsi>If staff doesn't help, there's still my help. I'm available when I can.
19:05 <Stipsi>I'm a competitive player, I can take care of everything related to that
19:08 <IcyMew>I understand.
19:08 <IcyMew>And I appreciate it.
19:08 <IcyMew>But I can ignore only so much.
19:08 <IcyMew>When someone slams into a thread liek that
19:08 <IcyMew>And nothing is done.
19:08 <IcyMew>That's where the line is drawn
19:08 <IcyMew>When I report, PM, staff, idle and get nothing
19:08 <IcyMew>That's just too far.
19:08 <IcyMew>This behavior needs to be changed.
19:08 <IcyMew>Tempered
19:08 <IcyMew>Disciplined
19:08 <IcyMew>Removed.
19:08 <IcyMew>Straight up
19:08 <IcyMew>I will accept no less.
19:10 <Stipsi>Creating threads about how staff sucks just gives bad impressions to the community. The goal of Skulltag is to expand on Doom's feature capacity set while maintaining a playerbase.
19:10 <Stipsi>If you can't ignore so much, I already told you what to do from now on
19:14 <IcyMew>I never said the staff sucks.
19:15 <IcyMew>Stop generalizing it into something it's not.
19:15 <IcyMew>I'm calling them out on their inability to do their jobs.
19:15 <Stipsi>If staff doesn't do its job, it certainly sucks to some people
19:15 <IcyMew>So you don't want me to expose staff failures?
19:16 <IcyMew>Transparency.
19:16 <IcyMew>Accountability.
19:16 <IcyMew>All parts of being staff.
19:16 <IcyMew>If you fuck up be prepared to admit it.
19:16 <IcyMew>And take the blows and move on
19:16 <IcyMew>Learn, improve.
19:16 <Stipsi>I just want you to ignore every abuse and ask for my help.
19:17 <IcyMew>Do you see me as a threat?
19:17 <IcyMew>I can handle myself more capibly than you all can take care of me it seems.
19:17 <IcyMew>Why should I rely on you?
19:17 <IcyMew>You have failed me here. All of you
19:17 <IcyMew>You've failed the community.
19:17 <IcyMew>Why should I rely on you?
19:17 <IcyMew>Please do tell me.
19:18 <Stipsi>I helped you many times, why would I let you down?
19:18 <IcyMew>Because you just did.
19:18 <IcyMew>And you have come off with some absurd things.
19:18 <IcyMew>Defending the staff when they needed no defense.
19:18 <IcyMew>I had to grind you down into a corner before you would listen to me.
19:18 <IcyMew>And generally I felt like I was the one who was being attacked yet again.
19:18 <Stipsi>You're just mad at us, the whole staff. That's why. Come back when you think you can rely on my help again
19:18 <IcyMew>I'm not mad at any of you.
19:19 <IcyMew>You have failed me and it's that simple
19:19 <IcyMew>I took it into my own hands and challenged the entire community.
19:19 <IcyMew>Come back?
19:19 <IcyMew>Wait.
19:19 <IcyMew>Are you saying you're banning me?
19:19 <IcyMew>Come back...
19:19 <PRIVATE:IcyMew>lol
19:20 ~ Connection closed
19:20 ~ Connect...  OK
19:20 - NickServ: You are already logged in as IcyJes.
19:20 <IcyMew><IcyMew>I'm not mad at any of you.
19:20 <IcyMew><IcyMew>You have failed me and it's that simple
19:20 <IcyMew><IcyMew>I took it into my own hands and challenged the entire community.
19:20 <IcyMew><IcyMew>Come back?
19:20 <IcyMew><IcyMew>Wait.
19:20 <IcyMew><IcyMew>Are you saying you're banning me?
19:20 <IcyMew><IcyMew>Come back...
19:21 <Stipsi>I'm not banning you, that's completely out of place
19:22 <Stipsi>Since you think I've become unreliable, I guess it's because you're mad or just disappointed
19:23 <IcyMew>No it's because it's fact.
19:23 <IcyMew>You've literally told me that I should not attempt to handle things like this on my own.
19:23 <IcyMew>As if you want me to commit the secret of this tragedy to your hands.
19:24 <IcyMew>I will do nothing of the sort until this scenario has run it's course.
19:24 <IcyMew>Or until something is done about all of this
19:24 <IcyMew>I will rely on myself and no one else.
19:24 <IcyMew>Because the staff is decentralized and is failing.
19:24 <IcyMew>And has no contingency plan.
19:24 <Stipsi>That's your thought
19:24 <IcyMew>Or fails to act on that plan.
19:24 <IcyMew>Refute my thoughts then.
19:24 <IcyMew>You offer no rebuttal.
19:24 <IcyMew>To prove me wrong.
19:26 <Stipsi>Keep thinking we're failing and your reports will never be seen
19:26 <Stipsi>I'm still and always available if you need my help
19:26 <Stipsi>but since you rely on yourself only, good luck I guess
19:27 <IcyMew>Are you serious?
19:27 <IcyMew>You're not even going to answer my genuine questions?
19:27 <IcyMew>Brush me off like I'm no big deal.
19:27 <IcyMew>That is not the actions of someone who is a true leader
19:27 <IcyMew>If I were in your shoes I'd set some time aside to clear this up not let it languish on.
19:27 <Stipsi>I'm not a leader
19:27 <IcyMew>That's weakness.
19:28 <IcyMew>Then why the heck are you in a position of authority?
19:28 <IcyMew>That is leadership.
19:28 <Stipsi>Because we all have authority right now
19:29 <IcyMew>You are making little sense.
19:29 <IcyMew>Who is we?
19:29 <Stipsi>the rest of the staff?
19:29 <Stipsi>or the active ones?
19:29 <IcyMew>If you all have authority then why did Konar clearly tell me he could do nothing.
19:29 <IcyMew>And even brushed off what happened in HIS channel?
19:30 <Stipsi>K6 is just an IRC Operator
19:30 <Stipsi>and he isn't banning Iced for a discussion
19:30 <IcyMew>I never said I wanted a ban.
19:30 <IcyMew>I wanted that shit addressed.
19:30 <IcyMew>You know as well as I do that is uncalled for
19:30 <IcyMew>Threatening someone who is discussing
19:30 <IcyMew>With a ban.
19:30 <IcyMew>Like htat.
19:30 <IcyMew>That.
19:31 <Stipsi>addressed?
19:31 <Stipsi>I thought I told you nobody was on
19:31 <IcyMew>Okay, address it then.
19:31 <Stipsi>I wasn't even aware of that
19:31 <IcyMew>Konar 6 didn't give a shit.
19:31 <IcyMew>So it's your turn.
19:31 <Stipsi>I read it when you joined #staff
19:33 <Stipsi>If it's a discussion between you and him why would I address it
19:33 <Stipsi>Unless you want a support like that time with arlene
19:33 <Stipsi>I'm fine with that
19:34 <IcyMew>Well
19:34 <IcyMew>My problem is.
19:34 <IcyMew>Unwarranted rudeness and the inclination of power abuse where it was clearly unnecessary.
19:34 <IcyMew>In other words harassment.
19:34 <IcyMew>And power abuse.
19:35 <Stipsi>Did he abuse his powers?
19:35 <Stipsi>How?
19:35 <IcyMew>(12:06:00)PM <IcyMew> But still.
19:35 <IcyMew>(12:06:04)PM <IcyMew> That gives you no right to be an asshole.
19:35 <IcyMew>(12:06:48)PM <IcyMew> Quite. Anyways, while I appreciate your opinion.
19:35 <IcyMew>(12:06:52)PM <IcyMew> The way you presented it was rude.
19:35 <IcyMew>(12:06:59)PM <IcyMew> And quite offensive. Stop trying to be cool.
19:35 <IcyMew>(12:07:15)PM <Iced2> <Iced2>I feel like I shouldn't be the one saying this
19:35 <IcyMew>(12:07:16)PM <Iced2> <Iced2>but stop talking about stupid shit in this channel
19:35 <IcyMew>(12:07:20)PM <Iced2> IcyMew
19:35 <IcyMew>(12:07:21)PM <IcyMew> If you and JZ want to argue take it somewhere else.
19:35 <IcyMew>(12:07:25)PM <IcyMew> This is pertinent.
19:35 <IcyMew>(12:07:32)PM <Iced2> To Grandvoid?
19:35 <IcyMew>(12:07:36)PM <HeavenWraith> you hear? This is MY thread!!
19:35 <IcyMew>(12:07:39)PM <Dynamo> hmm
19:35 <IcyMew>(12:07:40)PM <Iced2> To the servers Konar has set up?
19:35 <IcyMew>(12:07:46)PM <Iced2> No. Now please
19:35 <IcyMew>(12:07:54)PM <Iced2> Stop talking about stupid shit in this channel
19:35 <IcyMew>(12:08:03)PM <Iced2> oh wait, what's that you say?
19:35 <IcyMew>(12:08:09)PM <Iced2> <IcyMew>Take this shit to PM.
19:35 <IcyMew>(12:08:10)PM <IcyMew> At least I'm not waving my dick in threads that have nothing to do with me.
19:35 <IcyMew>(12:08:13)PM <Iced2> Huh, that's funny....
19:35 <IcyMew>(12:08:36)PM <IcyMew> You don't like being called out huh?
19:35 <IcyMew>(12:08:43)PM <IcyMew> Doesn't feel so good being on the other end of the stick eh.
19:35 <IcyMew>(12:09:08)PM <IcyMew> You have a very shitty attitude towards me. I find it quite amusing.
19:35 <IcyMew>(12:09:40)PM <Iced2> IcyMew I don't know if you're just too stupid to realize, but I gave you two warnings already. Since I really don't doubt that you have the iq of a doormat, I'll give you one more, this time explicitly:
19:35 <IcyMew>(12:09:45)PM <Iced2> This is your last warning
19:35 <IcyMew>(12:09:53)PM <Iced2> Do not talk about stupid shit in this channel
19:35 <IcyMew>(12:10:03)PM <Iced2> <IcyMew>Take this shit to PM.
19:35 <IcyMew>(12:10:21)PM <Iced2> I'll gladly discuss why you're wrong in PM
19:35 <IcyMew>(12:11:02)PM <IcyMew> Lmao, alrighty then. You could have just asked me to leave and told me you don't want to hear anything other than what you want to hear.
19:36 <Stipsi>I see
19:36 <Stipsi>We'll address it tomorrow if you like
19:37 <IcyMew>I see that now I have your attention.
19:37 <IcyMew>Excellent.
19:37 <IcyMew>Perhaps we can.
19:37 <Stipsi>Be sure you can rely on me
19:37 <IcyMew>I still am relying on myself right now but if you think you can help me then I would appreciate it.
19:37 <IcyMew>How about
19:37 <IcyMew>You earn my trust.
19:38 <IcyMew>Prove to me you can be relied on.
19:38 <Stipsi>because I've always been on your side
19:38 <IcyMew>I know you have.
19:38 <IcyMew>I really consider you a close friend but that does not free you from my scrutiny.
19:39 <Stipsi>If you were in my shoes, you would understand. It's really sad, and difficoult
19:40 <Stipsi>Enough, good night
19:41 <IcyMew>Okay. Good night.
19:41 - Stipsi is away
19:42 <IcyMew>Rhetoric, it's all rhetoric.
19:42 - Stipsi is away