Conversation with MakotoJAST 2 days ago

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[15:33] MakotoJAST is ~Makoto@Rizon-2BA2F833.gunma.ocn.ne.jp Shingo
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[15:33] <Aaeru_> hello makoto
[15:33] <MakotoJAST> Hey
[15:33] <Aaeru_> i hope i didnt find you at a bad time
[15:34] <MakotoJAST> Nope
[15:34] <Aaeru_> wandering did you get to pete about the new project?
[15:34] <MakotoJAST> He doesn't like the idea of distributing fully-patched games.
[15:35] <Aaeru_> hmm
[15:35] <MakotoJAST> I'll show him the site now that it's up, but don't expect him to look at it any time soon.
[15:35] <Aaeru_> yea that's fine
[16:37] <MakotoJAST> In any case, I guarantee that Japanese companies that find out about this will not be happy.
[16:37] <MakotoJAST> So from that point of view, I'd rather you not.
[16:37] <MakotoJAST> And so would Peter.
[16:38] <MakotoJAST> It will make licensing harder in the future if you enable more people to play downloaded patches.
[16:39] <MakotoJAST> It's hard enough getting Japanese companies to give us licenses for games that haven't already been made available to the public.
[18:06] <Aaeru_> oohff~
[18:06] <Aaeru_> makoto
[18:06] <Aaeru_> yes i got your message
[18:06] <MakotoJAST> Yes
[18:07] <Aaeru_> soz i went for a nap
[18:07] <MakotoJAST> K
[18:07] <Aaeru_> well yeah i knew there will be some level of resistance
[18:07] <Aaeru_> i mean a massive level of resistance
[18:07] <Aaeru_> but yea we do everything in transparency so this would be uphill battle for me
[18:07] <Aaeru_> basically this is a summary: you can ignore the first part
[18:07] <Aaeru_> http://forums.fuwanovel.com/index.php?/topic/15-buying-an-eroge-from-jast-means-betraying-the-industry-what/
[18:08] <MakotoJAST> The Japanese companies will not care what your motives or reasons are.
[18:08] <MakotoJAST> You are distributing their data.
[18:08] <MakotoJAST> That will piss them off.
[18:09] <Aaeru_> yea basically
[18:10] <MakotoJAST> Well, that won't be good for the industry.
[18:14] <MakotoJAST> If you want to make a new community free of "elitism" and "negativity," that's fine.
[18:14] <Aaeru_> true but from a visual novel player's point of view, that less than 1% of VNs that get made will make it into English is just not good enough. the status quo sees a... slow climb in popularity, but I demand a future that is made of 2 or 3 JAST or even 10 JAST & 10 Mangagamers. and the only way to do that rest all in expanding the demand
[18:15] <Aaeru_> actually that does sound retarded
[18:15] <Aaeru_> but yeah it's very selfish
[18:15] <MakotoJAST> Then you should probably start your own localization company.
[18:15] <MakotoJAST> Okay, then you should probably drop all pretense of doing it for the industry.
[18:15] <Aaeru_> yeah you make a good point
[18:16] <Aaeru_> I still do want to be honest about it
[18:16] <MakotoJAST> You're doing it to attract more fan translators so more games will get translated.
[18:16] <Aaeru_> yes
[18:16] <MakotoJAST> Not to attract Japanese interest.
[18:16] <MakotoJAST> So more games will get licensed.
[18:16] <Aaeru_> yes we force japanese interest
[18:17] <Aaeru_> by demand
[18:17] <MakotoJAST> It will have the opposite effect.
[18:18] <Aaeru_> to me money talks louder than being dressed in white robes and bathing our feet in sacred water
[18:18] <MakotoJAST> But you're encouraging people not to buy their games.
[18:18] <Aaeru_> no it's because im honest about what kind of industry this is built on
[18:18] <Aaeru_> the fans who play these games are pirates
[18:19] <Aaeru_> we all just pirate the game, that's the only way this scene has reached the point it has reached
[18:19] <Aaeru_> through piracy
[18:19] <MakotoJAST> I don't see how that leads to more games getting localized.
[18:19] <MakotoJAST> The Japanese companies will see this and say "look at these fucks. Not only have most of them played our games already, but they're 99% likely to pirate it even if we get a Western company to localize it for us."
[18:20] <MakotoJAST> A piracy site is not a good way to convince Japanese companies that their games will make money.
[18:20] <Aaeru_> but theyve played sharin no kuni theyre willing to pay for the next game if it gets localized
[18:20] <Aaeru_> say taiyou no ko
[18:20] <Aaeru_> depends on titles
[18:20] <Aaeru_> like how the
[18:20] <Aaeru_> aselia tiitle had been around in piracy form for a while
[18:20] <Aaeru_> but it still gets picked up,
[18:21] <MakotoJAST> No, there's no proof that the people who pirated Sharin won't also pirate Taiyo.
[18:21] <MakotoJAST> Whether it's officially licensed or not.
[18:21] <Aaeru_> but that's the nature of the beast. only 5%-10% of fans pay for their goods
[18:22] <MakotoJAST> It will be a different story if you start distributing fully-patched games in public.
[18:22] <Aaeru_> well
[18:23] <MakotoJAST> There's also the fact that you are encouraging people to translate more games unofficially.
[18:23] <Aaeru_> fully patched means easier to get, so more people can play it and experience it,
[18:23] <MakotoJAST> Which is not a way to make Japanese companies feel secure.
[18:23] <Aaeru_> but that's crazy
[18:23] <Aaeru_> so they would rather the fan translation scene completely abolished
[18:23] <Aaeru_> like that comment on hevoluson's blog i saw
[18:23] <Aaeru_> 'get rid of that Ixrec guy plz'
[18:24] <Aaeru_> but without Ixrec and the fan translators, i dont know if there was much of an industry to begin with
[18:24] <Aaeru_> let alone fan translators to hire to work for Jast
[18:24] <Aaeru_> well ok that's exxaggerated
[18:24] <Aaeru_> ppl with skills can be found anywhere
[18:24] <MakotoJAST> Any Japanese company that is considering doing official translations will be less inclined to do so if they see people releasing free translations of their shit.
[18:25] <Aaeru_> but we already is doing that
[18:25] <Aaeru_> the ppl who use the patch only a tiny tiny number
[18:25] <Aaeru_> will wait for the box to arrive in their mail
[18:25] <MakotoJAST> And it's not good for the industry.
[18:25] <Aaeru_> install it, THEN use the patch
[18:25] <MakotoJAST> Released fan translations do not make companies want to sell their games.
[18:26] <MakotoJAST> Because they know that even less people will be inclined to buy them.,
[18:26] <MakotoJAST> Those games.
[18:26] <Aaeru_> wait i want to spin it the other way,
[18:27] <Aaeru_> so fan translation should slowly rot out, decay and retreat into nothing at the convenience of the industry
[18:27] <Aaeru_> when they are asked to
[18:27] <Aaeru_> well that's obviusly impossible
[18:27] <Aaeru_> to ask for us to stay the way we are, dont make a noise...
[18:27] <Aaeru_> well that's the opposite of what fan translation is all about. we make games that dont have a chance of making it into our language, make it into our language.
[18:27] <Aaeru_> cause we CAN"T play these games.
[18:27] <Aaeru_> but now i go the other way, i want to EXPAND fan translation
[18:28] <MakotoJAST> All I'm saying is that if what you're trying to do is convince more Japanese companies to license games, that is not the effect you will have.
[18:28] <Aaeru_> now at the convenience of the industry, i can't.
[18:28] <MakotoJAST> If what you're trying to do is simply get more games translated, whether they're legal or not, then that's a different story.
[18:28] <Aaeru_> ok you make a good point.
[18:28] <Aaeru_> ill think about it
[18:29] <Aaeru_> i do want to bring it to the community at least
[18:29] <Aaeru_> the response has been,
[18:29] <Aaeru_> well nobody disagrees with this fuwanovel thing
[18:29] <Aaeru_> except... zalas
[18:29] <Aaeru_> and Nagato as well
[18:29] <Aaeru_> ive spoken to about 20 people
[18:29] <Aaeru_> ill talk to many many more
[18:31] <MakotoJAST> I disagree that it will have a positive effect for official localizations.
[18:32] <Aaeru_> yes i feel neutral on what effect it will have, i think im half convinced by what you said
[18:32] <Aaeru_> or that i can't know, but at least you make a good point
[18:32] <MakotoJAST> The best way for people to get games licensed is to buy the games that are already available from JAST and MG.
[18:33] <MakotoJAST> Because what Japanese companies care about is numbers.
[18:33] <MakotoJAST> And being able to show them sales figures is the only thing that will make them agree.
[18:33] <Aaeru_> yea that's the only thing i care about as well