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  1. [2011-11-18 17:22:23] -->| YOU (Ironybot) have joined #golemquest
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  3. [2011-11-18 17:22:23] =-= Topic for #golemquest was set by ChicagoTed on Sunday, August 14, 2011 3:05:00 AM
  4. [2011-11-18 17:22:54] <Arkeus> hey Ironybot
  5. [2011-11-18 17:22:57] <Guile> unless this is some info you're privy to we're not, Wut, she can. Bob said the leg doesnt count for 'magic'
  6. [2011-11-18 17:23:10] <Ironybot> Good evening.
  7. [2011-11-18 17:23:15] <Guile> hi irony
  8. [2011-11-18 17:23:27] <Arkeus> btw CaptainButthead, while your post is ok i am quite unsure we will see Camella before at least wo updates
  9. [2011-11-18 17:24:04] <Arkeus> Also, too much of the dialog feels awkward to me (as in, i think letting Armas tell it by himself would actually have better dialog for the most part)
  10. [2011-11-18 17:24:23] <Ironybot> You are referencing the latest post in the thread?
  11. [2011-11-18 17:25:37] <Arkeus> CaptainButthead's, yes
  12. [2011-11-18 17:26:15] <Ironybot> The poster is not identified by name, thus my inclination to clarify.
  13. [2011-11-18 17:27:28] <Ironybot> I am not a fan of that post. While I don't really have objections to giving Camella any individual piece of that information, we are coming to see her in order to catch up on what she's been up to and how she's doing and to catch her up on our experiences, and a huge amount of that feels like random infodumping of things that are only tangentially relevant to either us or her, with very...
  14. [2011-11-18 17:27:28] <Ironybot> ...little overall structure to what we're saying except wandering between topics.
  15. [2011-11-18 17:28:40] <Wutenheimer> the leg didnt make her magic, but her soul was touched by magic
  16. [2011-11-18 17:28:44] <Wutenheimer> tainting her
  17. [2011-11-18 17:28:46] <Wutenheimer> she
  18. [2011-11-18 17:28:47] <Wutenheimer> cannot
  19. [2011-11-18 17:28:48] <Wutenheimer> be
  20. [2011-11-18 17:28:48] <Wutenheimer> a
  21. [2011-11-18 17:28:50] <Wutenheimer> wizard
  22. [2011-11-18 17:28:59] <Arkeus> Wutenheimer: i hope so
  23. [2011-11-18 17:29:27] <Arkeus> Ironybot: that was my impression too. Too much infodumping that doesn't really feel important to actually have dialogs for.
  24. [2011-11-18 17:29:59] <Arkeus> Some of it may be important, like trying to make hillevi/Camella get to know each other more, but most of it seems 'infodumping'
  25. [2011-11-18 17:30:15] <Ironybot> Also, so far as I know we have only speculative evidence at best that Camella was the objective of the Hunt, and bringing up that will do her no good whatsoever unless we have more information or a practical course of action to take as a result of it. Honestly, bringing up her circumstances at all seems pointless right now- when Einrik gets back we can bring them up to him and see if his...
  26. [2011-11-18 17:30:15] <Ironybot> ...superior knowledge of magical mechanics can give us actual useful conclusions instead of wild paranoia speculation.
  27. [2011-11-18 17:30:25] <Arkeus> Also, i doubt we'll see Camella for another two updates, which is why my post concentrated on meeting hafaz and the russians
  28. [2011-11-18 17:30:29] <Arkeus> and yours too, iirc
  29. [2011-11-18 17:30:51] <Arkeus> Indeed, Wyld hunt was pure speculation and paranoia
  30. [2011-11-18 17:31:40] <Guile> We know the hunt was called in Mongolia within the month she came through - so whatever greater scheme or phenomena brought her here was likely involved
  31. [2011-11-18 17:31:54] <Arkeus> Why?
  32. [2011-11-18 17:31:58] <Ironybot> I put in some Camella stuff that I don't really expect to fully get to, because it was requested that we cover that at least somewhat at the end of the last post. Also, as Bob presumably has to track down her player in order to process any Camella scene getting more information on what we want out earlier seems to be a good thing to me.
  33. [2011-11-18 17:32:19] <Arkeus> Indeed
  34. [2011-11-18 17:32:25] <Arkeus> That's what i did too
  35. [2011-11-18 17:32:33] <Ironybot> There's a huge difference between "this was involved somehow in how you came here" and "the Wyld Hunt was looking for very specific prey- YOU!"
  36. [2011-11-18 17:32:58] <Guile> I havent actually read the post in question. Just saying, there's coincidence, and then there's Coincidence
  37. [2011-11-18 17:34:04] <Ironybot> I don't think anyone thinks that Camella and the event we know about in Mongolia are unrelated. It's just crazy to think that we understand the nature of that relation, aside from that it brought here somehow, or its implications for her, the nature of her position in this world, or what it means for how others would wish to treat her.
  38. [2011-11-18 17:34:21] <Ironybot> Brought her here somehow. Excuse my dropped word.
  39. [2011-11-18 17:35:31] <Arkeus> Keep in mind that if so many people wanted to kill Camella, SM would have sold her out
  40. [2011-11-18 17:38:01] |<-- Guile has left irc.rizon.net (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
  41. [2011-11-18 17:40:52] <Ironybot> Oh?
  42. [2011-11-18 17:41:55] <Ironybot> As to the best of my knowledge we have never made any deals with Sometimes Merchant specifically regarding not selling out Camella, that implies that he has refrained from doing so thus far entirely out of respect for us, which I wouldn't have expected of him- or do I misinterpret your meaning?
  43. [2011-11-18 17:45:03] <Ralith> Ironybot: it wouldn't be irrational for him to value maintaining a good relationship with us as a high-quality contact above whatever he might get for selling out camella
  44. [2011-11-18 17:45:46] <Ironybot> We would never have to know that it was he who sold Camella out. It's not like he informs us of his deals.
  45. [2011-11-18 17:46:07] <Ralith> true, but info gets out
  46. [2011-11-18 17:46:17] <Ralith> and he seems the sort to hedge his bets
  47. [2011-11-18 17:47:12] <Ironybot> I can only see him not selling the information if one, he didn't think it would degrade in value if held close; two, Camella is a low-value item; or three, letting her location get out would call down so much shit that his other business would be impacted.
  48. [2011-11-18 17:48:29] <Wutenheimer> irony, WE are one of his other businesses
  49. [2011-11-18 17:48:45] <Wutenheimer> and he knows we work with camella, and would therefor be impacted
  50. [2011-11-18 17:50:14] <Ironybot> In terms of our value to Sometimes Merchant we could lose Camella as an ally and keep chugging along no problem.
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  52. [2011-11-18 17:51:50] <Arkeus> ] <Ironybot> As to the best of my knowledge we have never made any deals with Sometimes Merchant specifically regarding not selling out Camella, that implies that he has refrained from doing so thus far entirely out of respect for us, which I wouldn't have expected of him- or do I misinterpret your meaning? <= my meaning is that if Selling Camella's revelance to the mongolian bit would net
  53. [2011-11-18 17:51:50] <Arkeus> SM influence, he might actually already have done it
  54. [2011-11-18 17:52:18] <Arkeus> They way things are, i think SM actually think Sellign out Camella isn't worth it- or that the people he sold her out to don't want to kill/capture her
  55. [2011-11-18 17:52:36] <Guile> did we ever actually inform him of... anything regarding anyone besides ourself? I thought that we decided against that
  56. [2011-11-18 17:52:53] <Arkeus> Yes we did
  57. [2011-11-18 17:53:02] <Arkeus> We tried to sell to SM that Camella was important
  58. [2011-11-18 17:53:07] <Ironybot> Ah. You make an excellent point on that last bit- for all we know, he already sold Camella's location to interested parties who feel no need to act on the information immediately.
  59. [2011-11-18 17:53:09] <Arkeus> the 'water is wet' part
  60. [2011-11-18 17:53:14] <Ralith> Ironybot: camella as an ally for us makes us more powerful, which improves our utility to SM. Perhaps not enough to be immediately of immense value, but I wouldn't be surprised if SM is investing in us long-term.
  61. [2011-11-18 17:53:17] <Arkeus> Ironybot: yes
  62. [2011-11-18 17:53:51] <Ralith> also, do we know for sure that a lot of people actually regularly deal with goblins?
  63. [2011-11-18 17:54:08] <Arkeus> It's pretty clear SM deals with Dragons semi-regularly
  64. [2011-11-18 17:54:12] <Ralith> oh wow
  65. [2011-11-18 17:54:18] <Ralith> I should really read /dis/ more
  66. [2011-11-18 17:54:24] <Arkeus> And he had already heard about the Laib Olmai beating Stallon before we told him of everything
  67. [2011-11-18 17:54:39] <Ralith> still, camella is below the interest of dragons, I think
  68. [2011-11-18 17:54:51] <Arkeus> OTOH, he hadn't heard of the bit about Valkonen being there, or Laib Olmai sacrificing the chief's son
  69. [2011-11-18 17:55:25] <Ironybot> Camella as an ally is an asset to us, but she doesn't add capability that we couldn't replace with hundreds of other people- competent mortal operators or bloodline types that we could befriend. In order to value keeping her as an ally to Armas enough to not sell her, her value as an information commodity would have to be lower than her value as a fairly easily replaceable augmentation to a...
  70. [2011-11-18 17:55:25] <Ironybot> ...business partner, which is... unlikely, if she's of any significance at all to anyone.
  71. [2011-11-18 17:55:32] <Arkeus> Ralith: Well, Armas made the conclusion that the dragons were at the radmireju's mountain because of something SM did
  72. [2011-11-18 17:55:36] <Arkeus> And SM was angry about it
  73. [2011-11-18 17:55:55] <Arkeus> Indeed
  74. [2011-11-18 17:56:01] <Ralith> Arkeus: right, my point is that if SM operates at dragon-level, then he may not commonly do sub-dragon-level things
  75. [2011-11-18 17:56:11] <Ralith> and camella doesn't seem to be dragon-level
  76. [2011-11-18 17:56:17] <Arkeus> I know, i was commenting on WHY we know that
  77. [2011-11-18 17:56:24] <Ralith> oh, 'kay
  78. [2011-11-18 17:56:25] <Arkeus> And SM also knew about Laib Olmai/Stallon
  79. [2011-11-18 17:56:31] <Arkeus> or Knew about, well, lots of stuff
  80. [2011-11-18 17:56:36] <Arkeus> like Savoy
  81. [2011-11-18 17:57:17] <Arkeus> What Ironybot said is true- it's am atter of scaling Camella's importance
  82. [2011-11-18 17:57:29] <Ralith> do we know if SM has the ability to squeeze in significantly more time per unit time than most people?
  83. [2011-11-18 17:58:02] <Ralith> because if not, it seems more likely that he has a small number of very high quality contacts than a large number of typical ones
  84. [2011-11-18 17:58:21] <Ralith> he's also indicated that he would cut off contact with us if we ceased being exceedingly high quality
  85. [2011-11-18 17:58:30] <Ironybot> If the traditional foundation of goblinic relations withe humans in the city is based on guiding them through the sewers, I think it's a safe bet that the wyld goblin clans have a broad range of trading interests, ranging from the very minor on up. Sometimes Merchant might bother with things at any level- my guess is that he has enough experience and authority in his clan to pay attention to...
  86. [2011-11-18 17:58:30] <Ironybot> ...whatever interests him, but we honestly don't know his rank. We can infer high from what we know of his abilities, but have no proof on that.
  87. [2011-11-18 17:58:46] <Ralith> it seems like being in cordial contact with SM in particular, at least, might actually be fairly rare.
  88. [2011-11-18 17:59:12] <Arkeus> Yeah, SM has some pretty nifty contacts
  89. [2011-11-18 17:59:21] <Ralith> Ironybot: if dragons willingly deal with him, he must be quite high.
  90. [2011-11-18 17:59:23] <Arkeus> Ralith: he has time-bubbles, yes
  91. [2011-11-18 17:59:34] <Arkeus> He took us in one, remember?
  92. [2011-11-18 17:59:50] <Ralith> Arkeus: right, but that alone isn't enough
  93. [2011-11-18 18:00:02] <Guile> Its not exactly that SM has the ability to alter time, its that the nevernever simultaneously exists in all times at once
  94. [2011-11-18 18:00:06] <Arkeus> He also got a freaking Halo
  95. [2011-11-18 18:00:09] <Ralith> he'd need to communicate with multiple sources simultaneously to maintain a large number of moderate quality contacts
  96. [2011-11-18 18:00:11] <Arkeus> A freaking Halo
  97. [2011-11-18 18:00:18] <Ironybot> Being a prominent trader is not necessarily the same as having high internal rank. We don't know much of anything about Wyld Goblin society.
  98. [2011-11-18 18:00:22] <Guile> so you could conceivably be able to exit the nevernever earlier than when you went in
  99. [2011-11-18 18:00:25] <Arkeus> Which is like wearing a Wizard's dick as a Amulet
  100. [2011-11-18 18:00:37] <Ralith> Ironybot: but we do know that Dragons will tend to disregard if not destroy anyone who interacts with them who isn't a big fucking deal
  101. [2011-11-18 18:00:39] <Guile> the fact that Deals are so intrinsic suggests being a prominent trader is damn high up, tho
  102. [2011-11-18 18:00:59] <Arkeus> Yeah
  103. [2011-11-18 18:00:59] <Ralith> Arkeus: remind me what the significance of the halo is
  104. [2011-11-18 18:01:19] <Arkeus> Angels with Halo are Extremely Powerful God- tier
  105. [2011-11-18 18:01:19] <Ironybot> He got it from a full-fledged Angel, way back.
  106. [2011-11-18 18:01:22] <Guile> and we dont KNOW SM dealt with those dragons. He might have just been mad at a information breakdown that almost caused him to lose his strike-machine
  107. [2011-11-18 18:01:41] <Arkeus> Guile: We just know that somethign happened he was mad at
  108. [2011-11-18 18:01:43] <Arkeus> and it wasn't us
  109. [2011-11-18 18:02:03] <Guile> he doesnt want anything to do with gods of Odin or Og's tier, but he bets with god-tier angels.
  110. [2011-11-18 18:02:11] <Ironybot> What bit of anger are we referencing here?
  111. [2011-11-18 18:02:23] <Arkeus> Basically, a Angel is to a Dragon what a Dragon is to us
  112. [2011-11-18 18:02:31] <Arkeus> well, discounting Ruler Dragons, i guess
  113. [2011-11-18 18:02:33] <Guile> When we called him after the ramidreju/dragon debacle, we got the sense that he was angry at something- but not at us
  114. [2011-11-18 18:02:39] <Ironybot> Ah, right.
  115. [2011-11-18 18:02:52] <Ralith> and I guess there are no coincidences
  116. [2011-11-18 18:03:14] <Ironybot> It's possible that he was dealing with those dragons only indirectly- through intermediaries, that is. He sold information to someone who sold it to a dragon who then did something he didn't plan on.
  117. [2011-11-18 18:03:30] <Guile> that is the nature of information brokering
  118. [2011-11-18 18:03:34] <Arkeus> Possibly, yes
  119. [2011-11-18 18:03:38] <Guile> it has a way of getting passed on
  120. [2011-11-18 18:03:40] <Ralith> he seems smarter than that
  121. [2011-11-18 18:03:46] <Guile> we just dont know enough to say one way or the other
  122. [2011-11-18 18:04:01] <Guile> nobody's infallible, Ralith
  123. [2011-11-18 18:04:13] <Ralith> smart enough to appraise things according to how they could get passed on
  124. [2011-11-18 18:04:38] <Guile> damn, missed the GameFly $1/month game rental
  125. [2011-11-18 18:04:45] <Ralith> Guile: sure, but SM is a pretty fucking competent trader
  126. [2011-11-18 18:05:25] <Guile> so he knows EVERYONE who are contacts with his contacts, which his information might be passed on to? And their contacts, and so on, until it gets around to persons of interest?
  127. [2011-11-18 18:05:47] <Guile> SM is amazingly competent. I'm just not sure anybody is THAT competent
  128. [2011-11-18 18:06:35] <Ralith> competency implies allowing for information going places you might not expect :P
  129. [2011-11-18 18:06:57] <Ralith> assuming you can predict every possible recipient of information is naive
  130. [2011-11-18 18:07:59] <Ironybot> Yeah, I'm of two minds on the whole thing with the dragons and ramidreju. On the one hand, the timing is so fucking convenient that any option other than Sometimes Merchant selling us out seems absurd. On the other hand, he had to know that if we got our hands on that hoard, we'd end up passing along a huge chunk of it to him in a wild shopping spree.
  131. [2011-11-18 18:08:25] <Arkeus> I think SM traded something, and a dragon double-crossed him
  132. [2011-11-18 18:08:44] <Arkeus> I expect that Dragon to either not be alive anymore, or that he regrets it
  133. [2011-11-18 18:08:51] <Ralith> that would make sense
  134. [2011-11-18 18:09:13] <Ralith> I could def. see SM being angry like that as a result of someone violating a deal with him
  135. [2011-11-18 18:09:55] <Ralith> come to think of us, it seems like a significant gesture of trust that he allowed us to see him angry like that
  136. [2011-11-18 18:12:46] <Ironybot> I was going to say that he'd have a hard time hiding his emotions in the middle of the conversation where I got the news, but then I realized that Sometimes Merchant can literally dart into the nevernever and take a week off to cool down at any time, then return at exactly the same instant he left with no one having noticed his departure.
  137. [2011-11-18 18:12:53] <Ironybot> Talk about an awesome power.
  138. [2011-11-18 18:13:04] <Guile> Or he was angry enough that we were able to pick up something from him. We're pretty good at catching subtle cues these days
  139. [2011-11-18 18:13:54] <Guile> that would require recognizing his own emotional cues quickly and surely enough to switch over to the NN before revealing anything - which it wouldnt surprise me SM could do
  140. [2011-11-18 18:15:13] -->| TheInsufferableMystic (~IceChat77@Rizon-354B87B5.lmk.metro.digiweb.ie) has joined #golemquest
  141. [2011-11-18 18:16:08] <Ironybot> Or he could just do it habitually between every sentence.
  142. [2011-11-18 18:16:34] <Arkeus> SM kinda shows us a lot
  143. [2011-11-18 18:16:47] <Arkeus> Next step is him humping us, right?
  144. [2011-11-18 18:20:36] <Guile> uh, I hope not
  145. [2011-11-18 18:20:51] <Guile> I don't think I'm ready for goblin waifu
  146. [2011-11-18 18:21:08] <Ironybot> We can't even shapeshift into a woman yet.
  147. [2011-11-18 18:21:20] <Ironybot> ...wait, we totally can. It would just drive us insane.
  148. [2011-11-18 18:22:53] <TheInsufferableMystic> Going insane via genderchange strikes, me as a poor way to go mad
  149. [2011-11-18 18:23:05] <TheInsufferableMystic> Power: Yes, dramatic
  150. [2011-11-18 18:23:17] <Arkeus> genderchange strikes?
  151. [2011-11-18 18:23:24] <Arkeus> We meant just telling us we are a woman
  152. [2011-11-18 18:23:27] <Arkeus> it would work
  153. [2011-11-18 18:23:30] <Arkeus> though slowly
  154. [2011-11-18 18:23:44] <Arkeus> It's the same way we could tell oruself we are 7 feet tall
  155. [2011-11-18 18:23:48] <TheInsufferableMystic> ...Ewww transitional body horror
  156. [2011-11-18 18:23:51] <Guile> and make it actually true
  157. [2011-11-18 18:23:58] <Arkeus> TheInsufferableMystic: indeed
  158. [2011-11-18 18:24:16] <Guile> it just, yeah, it's crude fleshcrafting that would do terrible, terrible things to our self-image
  159. [2011-11-18 18:24:43] <Arkeus> Though, Ironybot, it wouldn't drive us insane to get ourself bigger/stronger once, but body mcguyvering is NOT something to do unless we REALLY research the subjecty
  160. [2011-11-18 18:24:53] <Arkeus> Indeed
  161. [2011-11-18 18:25:02] <Ironybot> Cunning plan: To ensure the purity of our bloodline, we freeze some sperm and then shapeshift into a woman to breed our own children.
  162. [2011-11-18 18:25:18] <Ironybot> (Disclaimer: That plan is actually terrible and a joke.)
  163. [2011-11-18 18:25:20] <TheInsufferableMystic> ... D:
  164. [2011-11-18 18:25:22] <Arkeus> Oh Btw, Dragons don't always breed dragons
  165. [2011-11-18 18:25:35] -->| Gunpowder_Symphony (~somewhere@Rizon-52056297.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) has joined #golemquest
  166. [2011-11-18 18:25:39] <Gunpowder_Symphony> Gentlemen.
  167. [2011-11-18 18:25:42] <TheInsufferableMystic> No often they get nothing I'm guessing
  168. [2011-11-18 18:25:46] <Arkeus> hey Gentlepowder
  169. [2011-11-18 18:25:55] <Arkeus> We need you to do a make-over for Armas
  170. [2011-11-18 18:25:58] <Arkeus> Fem!Armas
  171. [2011-11-18 18:26:12] * TheInsufferableMystic shoots Arkeus
  172. [2011-11-18 18:26:12] <Gunpowder_Symphony> ...Wot.
  173. [2011-11-18 18:26:28] <Ironybot> Good call, Arkeus. If we want to pull this off successfully we will need a LOT of fanart bonuses.
  174. [2011-11-18 18:26:35] <Ironybot> We should start stockpiling immediately.
  175. [2011-11-18 18:26:37] * Gunpowder_Symphony gets out the strangelet cannon.
  176. [2011-11-18 18:27:37] <Ironybot> Although it does occur to me that we could just grab random old pictures of Armas and crudely add breasts.
  177. [2011-11-18 18:27:38] <Arkeus> Last question for now-and after I finish a few calls I'm going back to the Valkonen grounds-from meeting with him, what can you tell me about the identity of the one known as the Sometimes Merchant?
  178. [2011-11-18 18:27:38] <Arkeus> >[Amen]An ancient goblin, purely unaffiliated with any of the Courts, predates the Christian Divinity Events, acquired it's halo from a Seraphim of the Christian God some thirty years after the death of Christ. True Name unknown. Nothing further could be surmised-the goblin chose to stay personally off the house grounds, and this one could not assess it as well as this one would like.
  179. [2011-11-18 18:27:40] <Arkeus> Badass
  180. [2011-11-18 18:29:12] <Ironybot> I do wonder if Amen could give us other non-True names that Sometimes Merchant has used. Clearly he knows something of him, if he knows where he got the halo.
  181. [2011-11-18 18:29:53] <MrTT> why does everyone online say the archmage robes are overpowered or awesome? they are shit
  182. [2011-11-18 18:30:03] <MrTT> they take up helmet AND body slot
  183. [2011-11-18 18:31:25] <MrTT> and give you 15% discount to all spells, +50 mana, +100% mana regen... which is about like the stats of level 3 out of 5 robe + level 1 out of 5 hat... and those suck anyways compared to enchating armor with a massive +mana regen
  184. [2011-11-18 18:32:36] <Arkeus> +15%Discount on all spells is pretty cool
  185. [2011-11-18 18:33:01] <Arkeus> +mana regen isn't really where it's at, i think
  186. [2011-11-18 18:33:20] <Arkeus> It's in discount to spells!
  187. [2011-11-18 18:33:26] <Wutenheimer> hood blocks hats and tiaras, but doesnt block the masks.
  188. [2011-11-18 18:33:33] <Wutenheimer> like hats and tiaras do
  189. [2011-11-18 18:33:39] <MrTT> 15% disocount on all spells suck
  190. [2011-11-18 18:34:22] <A_Mad_Oyster> >Equip for shoppan
  191. [2011-11-18 18:34:29] <A_Mad_Oyster> >Switch for fightan
  192. [2011-11-18 18:34:30] <MrTT> its not NEARLY as good as mana regen... level 3 / 5 robes give you 15% discount of one school (destruction!) and +100% mana regen... level 5/5 robes give you 25% discount on one school +150% discount
  193. [2011-11-18 18:34:49] <Ironybot> Guys, you are moving the conversation away from important topics like Sometimes Merchant and turning Armas into a woman. Why would you do that?
  194. [2011-11-18 18:35:17] <MrTT> Armas says: "My dick is a weapon"
  195. [2011-11-18 18:35:17] <Arkeus> With an hour left until Einrik normally wants to start our training, I decide to spend some more time directing focus inward, appraising and assessing my chakras. It's not that hard to find where I left off, identifying each facet of power flow and structure a bit faster than I did last time-and start to make some real progress, or so I feel at least, by the time Einrik stops by. He offers
  196. [2011-11-18 18:35:17] <Arkeus> a cryptic comment before we abscond for today's lessons.
  197. [2011-11-18 18:35:17] <Arkeus> >[EV][In English]"Trust and Belief always have, and always will be the keys to soul, no matter what path to it you take." <= Our M trait will really help us
  198. [2011-11-18 18:35:40] <A_Mad_Oyster> Armas bullshits so hard he bullshits himself
  199. [2011-11-18 18:36:07] <MrTT> or in the case of splintered intent, he bullshits magic charms
  200. [2011-11-18 18:36:25] <Arkeus> He didn't bulshit magic charms
  201. [2011-11-18 18:36:32] <Arkeus> He bulshitted his own attacks
  202. [2011-11-18 18:37:19] <A_Mad_Oyster> I've got a fanart ready for our next battle with BB
  203. [2011-11-18 18:39:30] <MrTT> technically it wasn't bullshit but unraveling the mysteries of reality itself and applying force with maximum leverage
  204. [2011-11-18 18:39:55] <Gunpowder_Symphony> So basically MAGICAL bullshit.
  205. [2011-11-18 18:40:26] <MrTT> oh shit
  206. [2011-11-18 18:40:31] <MrTT> BB is a billionere!
  207. [2011-11-18 18:40:35] <TheInsufferableMystic> Armas' words can be played striaght to terrible effect, sometimes truth with no deception can cuase unfathomable changes or no end of chaos
  208. [2011-11-18 18:40:40] <MrTT> BB is a muggle underneath these charms
  209. [2011-11-18 18:41:02] <MrTT> BB's soul should cost us 2 winter energy to bind like we did the reaper if he was to die in our presence
  210. [2011-11-18 18:41:09] <MrTT> and then... mindrip all those delicious secrets away
  211. [2011-11-18 18:41:20] <Ironybot> We're going to do that to everyone we kill from now on, aren't we.
  212. [2011-11-18 18:41:34] <MrTT> no
  213. [2011-11-18 18:41:41] <MrTT> I would love to but witnesses are a pain
  214. [2011-11-18 18:41:47] <MrTT> everyone we kill with no witness, yes
  215. [2011-11-18 18:41:50] <MrTT> then we store them in the eye
  216. [2011-11-18 18:41:50] <A_Mad_Oyster> Not everyone can soul-sense
  217. [2011-11-18 18:41:52] <Ironybot> Even the mooks. We will imprison their souls and torture them until we get all their PIN numbers to their debit cards.
  218. [2011-11-18 18:41:54] <MrTT> making it a soul prison
  219. [2011-11-18 18:42:01] <A_Mad_Oyster> this is the best idea ever
  220. [2011-11-18 18:42:11] <TheInsufferableMystic> Why torture
  221. [2011-11-18 18:42:18] <TheInsufferableMystic> When you can persuade?
  222. [2011-11-18 18:42:21] <Gunpowder_Symphony> Why NOT torture/
  223. [2011-11-18 18:42:21] <MrTT> torture? you just pluck away the memories like a real master
  224. [2011-11-18 18:42:28] <MrTT> Persuade and torture are beneath a true master
  225. [2011-11-18 18:42:29] <Gunpowder_Symphony> Torture is FUN
  226. [2011-11-18 18:42:36] <MrTT> you just read the memories
  227. [2011-11-18 18:42:38] <TheInsufferableMystic> Torture is unreliable for one thing
  228. [2011-11-18 18:42:45] <MrTT> do you torture or persuade a book to give you its secrets?
  229. [2011-11-18 18:42:49] <Gunpowder_Symphony> Yes.
  230. [2011-11-18 18:42:53] <TheInsufferableMystic> ....
  231. [2011-11-18 18:42:54] <MrTT> ...
  232. [2011-11-18 18:42:57] <Ironybot> Hey, does Whaitiri want souls? Gods like souls, right?
  233. [2011-11-18 18:42:59] <MrTT> sexy books!
  234. [2011-11-18 18:43:00] <Gunpowder_Symphony> Mu hu ha hah hah.
  235. [2011-11-18 18:43:06] <MrTT> gods do like souls
  236. [2011-11-18 18:43:10] <MrTT> armas can also eat souls himself
  237. [2011-11-18 18:43:16] <TheInsufferableMystic> BAD IDEA
  238. [2011-11-18 18:43:17] <MrTT> thanks to whaitiri soul graft armas may eat souls to grow in power
  239. [2011-11-18 18:43:21] <A_Mad_Oyster> GOOD IDEA
  240. [2011-11-18 18:43:22] <A_Mad_Oyster> MAD IDEA
  241. [2011-11-18 18:43:22] <Arkeus> Ironybot: indeed, we don't need to eat the souls oruself at all
  242. [2011-11-18 18:43:23] <A_Mad_Oyster> BEST IDEA
  243. [2011-11-18 18:43:30] <Arkeus> Especially as people might notice
  244. [2011-11-18 18:43:32] <MrTT> we will gain more if we eat them ourselves
  245. [2011-11-18 18:43:35] <Arkeus> but givign them to Whaitiri?
  246. [2011-11-18 18:43:37] <Arkeus> well...
  247. [2011-11-18 18:43:41] <MrTT> we have whaitir graft
  248. [2011-11-18 18:43:43] <TheInsufferableMystic> Soul cancer is worse than cancer cancer
  249. [2011-11-18 18:43:44] <MrTT> which is linked to her
  250. [2011-11-18 18:43:51] <MrTT> if whaitiri eats something our graft shows it
  251. [2011-11-18 18:43:54] <Arkeus> MrTT: we don't really gain more
  252. [2011-11-18 18:44:02] <Guile> TT - exactly how do you expect Armas to gain mastery in soul magic, to do the mindrip thing?
  253. [2011-11-18 18:44:02] <Arkeus> unless you want us to eat thousands of souls
  254. [2011-11-18 18:44:07] <Arkeus> but then, everyone WILL notice
  255. [2011-11-18 18:44:08] <MrTT> if its within non-backlash range
  256. [2011-11-18 18:44:10] <MrTT> then we do gain more
  257. [2011-11-18 18:44:13] <Arkeus> The way to go is give them to her
  258. [2011-11-18 18:44:17] <MrTT> if it is too powerful we cannot digest it and gain less
  259. [2011-11-18 18:44:21] <Arkeus> No one will notice, and it will really make us better
  260. [2011-11-18 18:44:22] <MrTT> its like a bell curve
  261. [2011-11-18 18:44:31] <Ironybot> Speaking of our soul graft, it renders Armas partially divine, right? What makes something divine? Can Armas gain power from people worshiping him?
  262. [2011-11-18 18:44:38] <MrTT> how do you know people will notice?
  263. [2011-11-18 18:44:39] <A_Mad_Oyster> yip yip
  264. [2011-11-18 18:44:41] <TheInsufferableMystic> Soul eating will be ludicrously addictive
  265. [2011-11-18 18:44:44] <A_Mad_Oyster> He can. Delicious belief~
  266. [2011-11-18 18:44:54] <MrTT> @Ironybot: Armas, being partially divine, can use faith in him, yes
  267. [2011-11-18 18:44:56] <Ironybot> We should work on founding a cult of us.
  268. [2011-11-18 18:45:02] <Arkeus> MrTT: Soul eating would be not only addictive, and NOTICEABLE, but it also only gives temporary power up
  269. [2011-11-18 18:45:07] <Arkeus> unless we go on a eating spree
  270. [2011-11-18 18:45:09] <MrTT> too much work and they don't actually have to WORSHIP you
  271. [2011-11-18 18:45:09] <TheInsufferableMystic> A cult of spirits in our eye...
  272. [2011-11-18 18:45:15] <MrTT> they just have to believe you are real and powerful
  273. [2011-11-18 18:45:19] <Arkeus> Giving souls to whaitri is permanent power up
  274. [2011-11-18 18:45:22] <MrTT> oh shitfucks!
  275. [2011-11-18 18:45:23] <TheInsufferableMystic> Armas of the Host
  276. [2011-11-18 18:45:23] <A_Mad_Oyster> US?! Nah, the Kyrppa Peiko! Say we're his prophet! A link to his great power!
  277. [2011-11-18 18:45:26] <MrTT> keep the spirits in the eye
  278. [2011-11-18 18:45:28] <MrTT> have THEM believe in us
  279. [2011-11-18 18:45:31] <MrTT> their jailor
  280. [2011-11-18 18:45:34] <Arkeus> :-(
  281. [2011-11-18 18:45:41] <Arkeus> Quite impossible, i'd say*
  282. [2011-11-18 18:45:45] <Guile> hard to say, Irony. That would be my interpretation though - I liken it to being a japanese land-god
  283. [2011-11-18 18:45:46] <MrTT> or... make the eye into a soul engine like mordres?
  284. [2011-11-18 18:45:56] <TheInsufferableMystic> Not happening
  285. [2011-11-18 18:46:00] <Ironybot> Considering that Belief shapes reality, I would be kind of worried about what that kind of belief might eventually do to us.
  286. [2011-11-18 18:46:00] <MrTT> :)
  287. [2011-11-18 18:46:10] <MrTT> it does within reason
  288. [2011-11-18 18:46:15] <TheInsufferableMystic> Monster Quest end
  289. [2011-11-18 18:46:18] <Arkeus> Ironybot: Belief from people we kill and imprison = NOT GOOD
  290. [2011-11-18 18:46:24] <Ironybot> Exactly.
  291. [2011-11-18 18:46:40] <Ironybot> If there's enough Belief to give us power, there's probably enough Belief to warp us in ways we don't want.
  292. [2011-11-18 18:46:46] <TheInsufferableMystic> Armas becoming an evil mad monster is a way for the Quest to end
  293. [2011-11-18 18:46:49] <MrTT> vampires and werewolves were created by human belief. Dragons want to be rulers of nation because they feed on that belief, gods come from belief... but a dragon or a god or the like can overcome belief too
  294. [2011-11-18 18:47:02] <Arkeus> <MrTT> vampires and werewolves were created by human belief. Dragons want to be rulers of nation because they feed on that belief, gods come from belief... but a dragon or a god or the like can overcome belief too <= no they weren't
  295. [2011-11-18 18:47:16] <MrTT> yes they were
  296. [2011-11-18 18:47:16] <A_Mad_Oyster> Why do I have this feeling we're going to encounter...ah, what was that female character's name from GQ who managed to escape from Mordre's Soul-Engine?
  297. [2011-11-18 18:47:19] <Arkeus> Vampires and Werewolf weren't created by Beliefg
  298. [2011-11-18 18:47:29] <Arkeus> We know what they were created by- and it'sn ot Belief
  299. [2011-11-18 18:47:29] <MrTT> bob told me they were
  300. [2011-11-18 18:47:36] <Arkeus> You asked him, again
  301. [2011-11-18 18:47:39] <Guile> Personally, I think we should find a way to make the entire mansion into a shrine to ourselves - a place of power. So on the mansion grounds we effectively become a land god
  302. [2011-11-18 18:47:39] <Arkeus> he didn't answer you
  303. [2011-11-18 18:47:45] <MrTT> he told me a long time ago
  304. [2011-11-18 18:47:51] <Arkeus> however, me and 5 or 6 others know perfectly well how and who ceated them
  305. [2011-11-18 18:47:54] <Guile> fill it with spirits in case we need a soul boost or something
  306. [2011-11-18 18:48:00] <MrTT> also if you mean the god that made the loup garou... he took existing werewolves and upgraded them
  307. [2011-11-18 18:48:06] <Arkeus> No i don't
  308. [2011-11-18 18:48:12] <MrTT> and do you mean M and H?
  309. [2011-11-18 18:48:20] <A_Mad_Oyster> Gave them a RAEG Fragment from birth
  310. [2011-11-18 18:48:25] <MrTT> the first vampire and first werewolf
  311. [2011-11-18 18:48:35] <Wutenheimer> M and H are the founding clans of the werewolves and vampires
  312. [2011-11-18 18:48:36] <A_Mad_Oyster> Wait, M and H?
  313. [2011-11-18 18:48:41] <MrTT> yes
  314. [2011-11-18 18:48:42] <TheInsufferableMystic> Guile if we did that we would have less reason to keep Amen, I approve
  315. [2011-11-18 18:48:52] <Guile> I know gods were created through human belief, not sure on vamps and werewolves
  316. [2011-11-18 18:48:54] <A_Mad_Oyster> What are they, long-time bros?
  317. [2011-11-18 18:49:04] <Guile> 'keep' Amen, like there's a safe way to get rid of him?
  318. [2011-11-18 18:49:04] <MrTT> long time enemies
  319. [2011-11-18 18:49:06] <Arkeus> Guile: they weren't
  320. [2011-11-18 18:49:17] <Ironybot> Problem with the land god thing is, a land god is kind of... tied to the land. I would be worried about restricting ourselves to our place of power unnecessarily.
  321. [2011-11-18 18:49:22] <A_Mad_Oyster> When was this revealed?
  322. [2011-11-18 18:49:32] <Arkeus> Ironybot: indeed
  323. [2011-11-18 18:49:39] <A_Mad_Oyster> I don't remember Bob saying anything about a certain 'M' or 'H'
  324. [2011-11-18 18:49:40] <Ironybot> Look at the goblins- apparently they can only teach their best tricks in the sewers. What if we end up only able to use our best tricks in the mansion?
  325. [2011-11-18 18:49:43] <Arkeus> Interesting bit about Sun Wukong
  326. [2011-11-18 18:49:43] <Guile> Well yeah, I dont want to actually become a land god, just have a place of power
  327. [2011-11-18 18:50:04] <Arkeus> His immortality from striking his name and monkey's name out of book of life and death only works in asia and some parts of nevernever
  328. [2011-11-18 18:50:08] <A_Mad_Oyster> Bah, Trickster God. Now we can legitimately bullshit /reality/
  329. [2011-11-18 18:50:18] <Guile> if it turns out we'd end up stuck to the mansion, then I'd be the first to veto the idea
  330. [2011-11-18 18:50:19] <Arkeus> However, the drunkenness confers him immortality that works everywhere
  331. [2011-11-18 18:50:40] <Arkeus> Guile: Place of power should not be done until we ahve our own place
  332. [2011-11-18 18:50:41] <Arkeus> Island
  333. [2011-11-18 18:50:43] <Arkeus> Whatever
  334. [2011-11-18 18:50:45] <A_Mad_Oyster> ...
  335. [2011-11-18 18:50:46] <A_Mad_Oyster> SEALAND
  336. [2011-11-18 18:50:50] <A_Mad_Oyster> Remember the cannon?
  337. [2011-11-18 18:50:55] <TheInsufferableMystic> ...Oh dear, I hope Armas isn't a trickster god's reviving gambit
  338. [2011-11-18 18:51:03] <Guile> "What? A wall? No, no... I don't see any wall."
  339. [2011-11-18 18:51:13] <Guile> *walks through wall*
  340. [2011-11-18 18:51:59] <Ironybot> We could probably get walk-through-wall powers as a third part of our bloodline, if we look up the right thing.
  341. [2011-11-18 18:52:17] <A_Mad_Oyster> Yeah, it's quite probable, Tim. Remember Summer-Elf? Said we stank of Loki. Maybe after doing whatever shit he wanted us to do, he made us kill our comrades just for shit n' giggles
  342. [2011-11-18 18:52:39] <Ironybot> And I don't mean using super-dangerous borders to do it, either. Just look for something that grants incorporeality at will- there must be one out there.
  343. [2011-11-18 18:52:58] <Arkeus> <Ironybot> We could probably get walk-through-wall powers as a third part of our bloodline, if we look up the right thing. <= Borders :p
  344. [2011-11-18 18:53:12] <MrTT> lucifer aka prometheus is a dragon, double god, devil, and the master of satan aka baalzebob. I am pretty sure lucifer is not being at the whims of people's belief in him...
  345. [2011-11-18 18:53:14] <Ironybot> See previous line.
  346. [2011-11-18 18:53:23] <MrTT> deitieis are much more susceptible in that regards
  347. [2011-11-18 18:53:34] <MrTT> if we can become a dragon first
  348. [2011-11-18 18:53:38] <MrTT> and then ascend from there
  349. [2011-11-18 18:53:40] <Arkeus> Ironybot, walk through Wall is Border base-thing
  350. [2011-11-18 18:53:44] <A_Mad_Oyster> yip yip
  351. [2011-11-18 18:53:46] <Arkeus> it's not super-dangerous border
  352. [2011-11-18 18:53:55] <A_Mad_Oyster> It's soul-shaping with Border that's extremely dangerous
  353. [2011-11-18 18:54:04] <Arkeus> Well, not just that
  354. [2011-11-18 18:54:10] <A_Mad_Oyster> Other non-metaphysical borders? Dangerous too
  355. [2011-11-18 18:54:16] <A_Mad_Oyster> I mean, easy as fuck.
  356. [2011-11-18 18:54:18] <Gunpowder_Symphony> I still like Lurk myself.
  357. [2011-11-18 18:54:19] <Ironybot> My understanding is that any kind of experimentation could be hazardous.
  358. [2011-11-18 18:54:35] <Ironybot> Definitely still preferring Lurk here as well.
  359. [2011-11-18 18:54:36] <A_Mad_Oyster> Nah, only to the soul.
  360. [2011-11-18 18:54:38] <MrTT> also, for many things there is more belief than can be consumed by all the gods of that aspect. with the limit being how much they are entitled to (status and power) and how much they can actually consume (personal power)
  361. [2011-11-18 18:54:39] <Arkeus> Ironybot: any kind of experimentation on some type can be, yes
  362. [2011-11-18 18:54:46] <Arkeus> But that's true for ALL magic
  363. [2011-11-18 18:55:00] <MrTT> border between our dimension and cthulu
  364. [2011-11-18 18:55:12] <Arkeus> OTOH, Borders, as long as you keep to basic stuff known by most Border people, isn't really that dangerous
  365. [2011-11-18 18:55:15] <A_Mad_Oyster> Border between...Va-something and the crystal's EDGE.
  366. [2011-11-18 18:55:27] <Arkeus> We might not be able to do it right-off, but ti's not DANGEROUS like playing with concepts is
  367. [2011-11-18 18:55:28] <MrTT> border of the prison of the baby cthulu in einrik's forhead
  368. [2011-11-18 18:55:43] <A_Mad_Oyster> Also, I think I just remembered another letter. Hooray!
  369. [2011-11-18 18:55:43] <Ironybot> Why would you want to do that to Einrik?
  370. [2011-11-18 18:55:46] <MrTT> keep to basic stuff and find reliable sources (eg: ogrim) for advanced stuff
  371. [2011-11-18 18:55:48] <A_Mad_Oyster> Why not?
  372. [2011-11-18 18:55:58] <MrTT> Ironybot, I didn't see release it on purpose
  373. [2011-11-18 18:56:03] <A_Mad_Oyster> Well, not really.
  374. [2011-11-18 18:56:04] <Arkeus> Ironybot: this is why A_Mad_Oyster will never know Einrik's ctululu's name
  375. [2011-11-18 18:56:06] <MrTT> But what if we try to "experiment" with it to give einrik more power
  376. [2011-11-18 18:56:11] <MrTT> and we fuck up and release it instead
  377. [2011-11-18 18:56:11] <Arkeus> as saying it once inthread will kill einrik
  378. [2011-11-18 18:56:12] <TheInsufferableMystic> Ark posters will mess with borders, it isn't an issue of safety its that we will get messed over by it
  379. [2011-11-18 18:56:31] <Arkeus> TheInsufferableMystic: posters will mess with EVERYTHING
  380. [2011-11-18 18:56:36] <MrTT> yes
  381. [2011-11-18 18:56:43] <A_Mad_Oyster> Alright, Ark. I promise I won't use the name for killing Einrik.
  382. [2011-11-18 18:56:45] <TheInsufferableMystic> Lurk is harder to break reaility with
  383. [2011-11-18 18:56:46] <A_Mad_Oyster> I promise.
  384. [2011-11-18 18:56:47] <Arkeus> OTOH, bob did say how he will apply borders for Armas
  385. [2011-11-18 18:56:51] * A_Mad_Oyster holds up hands
  386. [2011-11-18 18:57:00] <Arkeus> As in, there needs to be a clear majority for any kind of exeperimentation
  387. [2011-11-18 18:57:08] <TheInsufferableMystic> ...
  388. [2011-11-18 18:57:10] <MrTT> Oster, would you try a procedure to experimentally alter the prison of the babythulu to give einrik a large boost in power?
  389. [2011-11-18 18:57:17] <Arkeus> A_Mad_Oyster: why are you holding your dead mom's hand up?
  390. [2011-11-18 18:57:22] <Ironybot> Lurk has more than adequate entertainment and utility value for me. Should be awesome times. There are all kinds of tricks I'd like to try pushing its limits, even.
  391. [2011-11-18 18:57:33] <A_Mad_Oyster> MrTT: If he accepts, yes.
  392. [2011-11-18 18:57:48] <A_Mad_Oyster> Ark: >.>
  393. [2011-11-18 18:57:49] <MrTT> and this is why border is dangerous
  394. [2011-11-18 18:57:55] <TheInsufferableMystic> also lurk is easier to get
  395. [2011-11-18 18:57:58] <Arkeus> My problem with Lurk is that it doesn't take advantage of Romanov enough
  396. [2011-11-18 18:58:02] <A_Mad_Oyster> ^
  397. [2011-11-18 18:58:03] <Arkeus> I LIKE the idea of lurk
  398. [2011-11-18 18:58:11] <Arkeus> but i think as Is, it's not good enough
  399. [2011-11-18 18:58:13] <Gunpowder_Symphony> Lurk also enables even more trolling potential due to the SEP effect, nobody notices Armas fucking about until he fills their pants with live hermit crabs.
  400. [2011-11-18 18:58:17] <Arkeus> compared to what we could have
  401. [2011-11-18 18:58:20] <Ironybot> Of course it takes advantage of Romanov! The two of them are both internal soul manipulation bloodlines; that's inherent massive synergy.
  402. [2011-11-18 18:58:22] <MrTT> If og gave us a procedure that is sure to work... yes... but just randomly experimenting with that? fuck no
  403. [2011-11-18 18:58:24] <TheInsufferableMystic> We don't know that it doesn't take advantage of Rom, Ark
  404. [2011-11-18 18:58:29] <Arkeus> Gunpowder_Symphony: well, nto quite true
  405. [2011-11-18 18:58:29] <A_Mad_Oyster> What's with you and filling people's pants with crabs, Gun
  406. [2011-11-18 18:58:38] <Gunpowder_Symphony> It's an analogy man
  407. [2011-11-18 18:58:40] <Arkeus> and if our stealth enable it with lurk, it enables it without
  408. [2011-11-18 18:58:42] <MrTT> From what bob wrote i think you benefit more from a balanced bloodline
  409. [2011-11-18 18:58:42] <TheInsufferableMystic> We don't know what exactly we'll end up with
  410. [2011-11-18 18:58:42] <Arkeus> :p
  411. [2011-11-18 18:58:43] <Gunpowder_Symphony> Also hilarious
  412. [2011-11-18 18:58:47] <TheInsufferableMystic> There will be aroll
  413. [2011-11-18 18:58:56] <A_Mad_Oyster> A Gamble!
  414. [2011-11-18 18:59:00] <MrTT> the valkonens ARE PROUD that they have a near perfect balance of internal and external manip
  415. [2011-11-18 18:59:15] <Arkeus> TheInsufferableMystic: indeed, we can't know
  416. [2011-11-18 18:59:29] <Arkeus> I expect, however, that we can gain lurk-like powers without having lurk
  417. [2011-11-18 18:59:42] <Arkeus> And that Sami/Romanov might not be the best start for adding lurk in
  418. [2011-11-18 18:59:48] <MrTT> lurk is explicitly very limited combat potential
  419. [2011-11-18 18:59:50] <A_Mad_Oyster> Also, I'm curious as fuck as to what Romanov's primary ability is
  420. [2011-11-18 18:59:56] <MrTT> we probably will get a first strike MUCH easier with it
  421. [2011-11-18 18:59:56] <Arkeus> My other problem wiht Lurk is that it's too evil
  422. [2011-11-18 18:59:57] <Guile> Skin a Lurk, wear a suit of it
  423. [2011-11-18 19:00:00] <Ironybot> We won't ever get anywhere near the kind of powers that we'd get from the lurk bloodline from any method other than taking it.
  424. [2011-11-18 19:00:03] <Guile> works like the eyepatch
  425. [2011-11-18 19:00:05] <A_Mad_Oyster> >Lurk >Too evil
  426. [2011-11-18 19:00:06] <A_Mad_Oyster> What
  427. [2011-11-18 19:00:09] <TheInsufferableMystic> What is FACT however is that Borders is dangerous and THE MAN WITH AN ELDERBABY IN HIS HEAD WARNED US OFF IT AND WAS NERVOUS TALKING ABOUT IT
  428. [2011-11-18 19:00:16] <MrTT> bind a spirit animal lurk
  429. [2011-11-18 19:00:19] <Arkeus> A_Mad_Oyster: people will have too much confidence in Lurk hiding their sins
  430. [2011-11-18 19:00:30] <Arkeus> So they won't mind doing atrocious shit that wil fall back on armas
  431. [2011-11-18 19:00:33] <MrTT> NO IM, what is a fact is that EXPERIMENTING with borders is dangerous
  432. [2011-11-18 19:00:34] <TheInsufferableMystic> ...
  433. [2011-11-18 19:00:40] <MrTT> spirit animals? Nearly always fatal to experiment with
  434. [2011-11-18 19:00:40] <A_Mad_Oyster> No you two
  435. [2011-11-18 19:00:43] <A_Mad_Oyster> MrTT and Tim.
  436. [2011-11-18 19:00:48] <Ironybot> Lurk isn't just about hiding or stealth- it's about spiritually looking like whatever we want to look like! Think on the flexibility of that for a moment, guys.
  437. [2011-11-18 19:00:48] <MrTT> any truely powerful magic
  438. [2011-11-18 19:01:00] <Arkeus> <Ironybot> Lurk isn't just about hiding or stealth- it's about spiritually looking like whatever we want to look like! Think on the flexibility of that for a moment, guys. <= yep
  439. [2011-11-18 19:01:01] <A_Mad_Oyster> Borders is dangerous, when you use it to experiment on metaphysical borders and the SOUL.
  440. [2011-11-18 19:01:05] <Arkeus> That's my problem
  441. [2011-11-18 19:01:10] <TheInsufferableMystic> Ark, Borders can be evil, EASY
  442. [2011-11-18 19:01:11] <Arkeus> Too much hiding what we look like
  443. [2011-11-18 19:01:16] <Arkeus> TheInsufferableMystic: of course it can
  444. [2011-11-18 19:01:23] <MrTT> we were told it is dangerous to inquisitive people who don't know what not to fuck with
  445. [2011-11-18 19:01:24] <Arkeus> They ALL can
  446. [2011-11-18 19:01:26] <Ironybot> If we can look so bland that other people ignore us- turn that into a mad lib. "We can look so _____ that other people _____ us."
  447. [2011-11-18 19:01:37] <MrTT> for example, if we tried to experiment with the border of the babythulu prison
  448. [2011-11-18 19:01:40] <Arkeus> My problem with Lurk is that it will give posters a sense of AAHAHA WE HAVE LURK THEY'L NEVER KNOW
  449. [2011-11-18 19:01:41] <MrTT> dangerous as fuck
  450. [2011-11-18 19:01:46] <MrTT> rewards could be great but dangerous as fuck
  451. [2011-11-18 19:01:54] <TheInsufferableMystic> Greed
  452. [2011-11-18 19:01:55] <A_Mad_Oyster> >Rewards could be great
  453. [2011-11-18 19:01:59] <A_Mad_Oyster> Gamblegamblegamble
  454. [2011-11-18 19:02:08] <Captain-Lightning> Yes?
  455. [2011-11-18 19:02:09] <Captain-Lightning> Oh
  456. [2011-11-18 19:02:11] <Arkeus> lol
  457. [2011-11-18 19:02:12] <Captain-Lightning> Fuck you guys D:<
  458. [2011-11-18 19:02:14] <Arkeus> :D
  459. [2011-11-18 19:02:14] * A_Mad_Oyster snickers
  460. [2011-11-18 19:02:25] <MrTT> thing is... you don't need to gamble if you can find some experts and do research
  461. [2011-11-18 19:02:30] <Gunpowder_Symphony> So let everyone think we're undetectable with it. It'll only take one fuckup to show 'em otherwise, and it might be interesting to see what provokes such.
  462. [2011-11-18 19:02:31] <MrTT> Og question for example
  463. [2011-11-18 19:02:55] <TheInsufferableMystic> Risk is too high. Einrik was sad that ITEM was safer in comparison, this is in spite of item getting you hunted
  464. [2011-11-18 19:03:02] <Arkeus> Gunpowder_Symphony: the problem is that Armas has too much shit he can do that would cause game over ifthey were known
  465. [2011-11-18 19:03:03] <MrTT> video games taught me that if chosing between stealth and power its better to get power
  466. [2011-11-18 19:03:04] <A_Mad_Oyster> Pfft nah.
  467. [2011-11-18 19:03:07] <A_Mad_Oyster> Dude.
  468. [2011-11-18 19:03:17] <A_Mad_Oyster> What if Einrick could draw on even /more/ of the Babbythulu's power?
  469. [2011-11-18 19:03:20] <Gunpowder_Symphony> So?
  470. [2011-11-18 19:03:23] <Arkeus> TheInsufferableMystic: Risk of experimentation si too high, sure
  471. [2011-11-18 19:03:38] <TheInsufferableMystic> Application is hazardous
  472. [2011-11-18 19:03:39] <Arkeus> But that's why Armas would need to be careful
  473. [2011-11-18 19:03:44] <Arkeus> No, not aplplication
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  475. [2011-11-18 19:03:51] <A_Mad_Oyster> >43
  476. [2011-11-18 19:03:52] <TheInsufferableMystic> Get thee head out from the sand
  477. [2011-11-18 19:03:57] <Arkeus> oh fuck Shifter43
  478. [2011-11-18 19:03:59] <A_Mad_Oyster> Time passes slowly...
  479. [2011-11-18 19:03:59] <Arkeus> don' kill us
  480. [2011-11-18 19:04:00] <Arkeus> please
  481. [2011-11-18 19:04:04] <MrTT> he said item was safer in comparison NOT because it gets you hunted, but because item ALSO is dangerous as fuck power... for example we could use item to make artificial phoenixes which we will not be able to control, AI which will be skynet type evil and out of our control
  482. [2011-11-18 19:04:18] <TheInsufferableMystic> Borders is not safe full bloodly stop, no ifs and buts
  483. [2011-11-18 19:04:21] <MrTT> fuck up our own soul as we pinch parts of it off to make item
  484. [2011-11-18 19:04:22] <MrTT> etc
  485. [2011-11-18 19:04:27] <A_Mad_Oyster> I know it's not safe.
  486. [2011-11-18 19:04:28] <Arkeus> TheInsufferableMystic: oh, stop that
  487. [2011-11-18 19:04:29] <MrTT> No magic is safe
  488. [2011-11-18 19:04:31] <A_Mad_Oyster> But it can be used in so many ways
  489. [2011-11-18 19:04:35] <Arkeus> It is safe when you already know what you are doing
  490. [2011-11-18 19:04:37] <A_Mad_Oyster> And gets us so many rewards
  491. [2011-11-18 19:04:38] <Arkeus> that's pretty clear
  492. [2011-11-18 19:04:49] <Arkeus> Like All magic, it can be FUCK dangerous
  493. [2011-11-18 19:04:50] <Arkeus> too
  494. [2011-11-18 19:04:57] <TheInsufferableMystic> When does Armas EVER know what he is doing?
  495. [2011-11-18 19:05:02] <Arkeus> And Border, being a conceptural bloodline, gives more possibility
  496. [2011-11-18 19:05:04] <Arkeus> so more DANGER
  497. [2011-11-18 19:05:19] <Arkeus> TheInsufferableMystic: Armas is much more careful than you give him credit for
  498. [2011-11-18 19:05:40] <A_Mad_Oyster> Oh god, inb4 Armas' soul-modifying shit are actually US.
  499. [2011-11-18 19:06:30] <MrTT> its dangerous in the way a shotgun is dangerous
  500. [2011-11-18 19:06:34] <A_Mad_Oyster> 10 years stuck as a grunt, get into mercenary business, SUDDEN MAD CLIMB TO POWER (okay, we're not really high, but damn, it's a pretty steep slope)
  501. [2011-11-18 19:06:35] <MrTT> you can shoot yourself and kill yourself
  502. [2011-11-18 19:07:08] <MrTT> we take mad risks and go full bore transhumanism though
  503. [2011-11-18 19:07:14] <MrTT> and also we didn't actually find magic before
  504. [2011-11-18 19:07:27] <A_Mad_Oyster> Mad risks, u so crazy
  505. [2011-11-18 19:08:00] <Arkeus> We took mad risks, yes
  506. [2011-11-18 19:08:11] <Arkeus> We also were careful on lots of stuff
  507. [2011-11-18 19:08:14] <MrTT> sold our soul to a deity and a god
  508. [2011-11-18 19:08:22] <Arkeus> Well, didn't sell it
  509. [2011-11-18 19:08:24] <Arkeus> Rent it
  510. [2011-11-18 19:08:25] <Arkeus> :p
  511. [2011-11-18 19:08:35] <MrTT> well, more like fed most of it to one and leased it to another for a fixed term
  512. [2011-11-18 19:08:57] <A_Mad_Oyster> Not to mention getting it rigged with soul-nades 10 years ago
  513. [2011-11-18 19:09:11] <Arkeus> We don't know what happened
  514. [2011-11-18 19:11:10] <Arkeus> Turkey? Sure he knows a few there.
  515. [2011-11-18 19:11:10] <Arkeus> -First there's the Aksoy Family, who are based in the town of Ladik. They use a bloodline that isn't strongly aspected towards heat, and is thus actually an Autumn-aspected bloodline, built around decay and corrosion. He hasn't had much dealings with them, but they are the biggest name in the mortal realm in Turkey for melee combat-so presumably they know what they are doing.
  516. [2011-11-18 19:11:10] <Arkeus> -Next there's the Arabian immigrant family Ghanem Clan, who specialize in manipulating wind and earth together-sandstorm specialists, he terms them. Einrik knows them fairly well, as they encourage their members to roam the world and gather experiences in life-it also turns out his name is known to the Ghanem family-what's more, they are based in Istanbul. However, the Aksoy family, which
  517. [2011-11-18 19:11:10] <Arkeus> he notes to be much larger, has a blood feud with the Ghanem clan-so he'd recommend caution if he plans to approach either.
  518. [2011-11-18 19:11:10] <Arkeus> -The only other Bloodline family in Turkey Einrik knows of is a branch of the Russian Aldokushin House, another Winter aspected combat family. They've kept themselves pretty free and clear of the Aksoy/Ghanem feud-and are also the smallest group, being only a branch of a family based in another nation. Einrik has heard excellent things about the main family back in Russia... not so much
  519. [2011-11-18 19:11:11] <Arkeus> what he found with the branch family-they have competence, but he wouldn't term them equal to the other two schools. They are located in Inebolu, on the Black Sea's coast.
  520. [2011-11-18 19:13:02] <TheInsufferableMystic> What is that bloodline?
  521. [2011-11-18 19:14:25] <Arkeus> Those are Bloodlines einrik knows of in Turkey
  522. [2011-11-18 19:14:51] <TheInsufferableMystic> No I mean did we ever find out what the winter one DOES
  523. [2011-11-18 19:15:26] <Arkeus> Not that i am aware of
  524. [2011-11-18 19:15:33] <Arkeus> And, yeah, i want to know too
  525. [2011-11-18 19:16:02] <Arkeus> Anyway, i think Soul Manip really suits Armas Well, as it is keyed to Trust and Belief
  526. [2011-11-18 19:16:36] <Guile> and that suits Armas... how?
  527. [2011-11-18 19:16:57] <Guile> Armas wouldnt know trust if it was half of his soul attached to his chakra nodes
  528. [2011-11-18 19:17:00] <Arkeus> Armas is all About bulshitting Trust and Belief
  529. [2011-11-18 19:17:04] <TheInsufferableMystic> :/ We need to investigate more options quickly we might find something more in keeping with Armas and his current abilities, that and I don't want people getting rez, we'd get killed by it in a way
  530. [2011-11-18 19:17:14] <TheInsufferableMystic> Nope Ark
  531. [2011-11-18 19:17:24] <Guile> we BARELY trust Shadowbro. Hell, I DON'T trust Shadowbro. Smarmy little bastard alkways seems to be one step ahead of us
  532. [2011-11-18 19:17:27] <Arkeus> Rez should only be used in some very specific conditions
  533. [2011-11-18 19:17:29] <TheInsufferableMystic> He is about truthful misdirection
  534. [2011-11-18 19:17:40] <TheInsufferableMystic> Not trust or belief
  535. [2011-11-18 19:17:45] <TheInsufferableMystic> but Truth
  536. [2011-11-18 19:17:48] <Arkeus> TheInsufferableMystic: keep in mind that our M trait merged with a trust trait
  537. [2011-11-18 19:17:54] <Arkeus> we CAN bulshit ourself about trusting things
  538. [2011-11-18 19:17:58] <Arkeus> and believing in things
  539. [2011-11-18 19:18:01] <TheInsufferableMystic> Ark I am going by soul scale
  540. [2011-11-18 19:18:03] <Guile> I suppose he knows about trust in the same way a serial killer knows about the routes schoolgirls take to get home after school
  541. [2011-11-18 19:18:07] <Arkeus> that's how we did the splintetred intent trick
  542. [2011-11-18 19:18:24] <Arkeus> TheInsufferableMystic: oh i agree
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  544. [2011-11-18 19:18:31] <Arkeus> hey Grail!
  545. [2011-11-18 19:18:40] <Arkeus> Are you ready to FUS RO DA
  546. [2011-11-18 19:18:42] <Guile> hey Ark, new DKA if you didnt see earlier
  547. [2011-11-18 19:18:47] <Arkeus> oh fuck
  548. [2011-11-18 19:18:48] <Arkeus> thanks
  549. [2011-11-18 19:18:55] <Arkeus> i somehow didn't reload it since this moring
  550. [2011-11-18 19:19:37] <fuogo> People need to start heeding the double spacing rule
  551. [2011-11-18 19:19:43] <fuogo> Some huge posts
  552. [2011-11-18 19:20:36] <fuogo> Also
  553. [2011-11-18 19:20:40] <fuogo> http://www.alwaysfoodie.com/kayabukiya-tavern-monkeys-serve.html
  554. [2011-11-18 19:20:42] <fuogo> Monkeys
  555. [2011-11-18 19:22:08] <Guile> I gotta tell ya. Monkeys? Cute. But I dont want to be anywhere close enough for them to maul me, rip off my arms and then defecate on me
  556. [2011-11-18 19:22:16] <Guile> and possibly eat my baby. if I had one.
  557. [2011-11-18 19:22:37] <Ironybot> I think a large part of the reason that Shadowbro is such a dick to us is because he has literally no one else to be a dick to. He can't talk except to us, Sake, and creatures of the Dark that we don't know exist and he doesn't have the power and skill to piss off and survive.
  558. [2011-11-18 19:22:59] <TheInsufferableMystic> I think it is beacuse Armas is a dick to SB
  559. [2011-11-18 19:23:15] <Ironybot> For all that he says he's glad to be rid of our fleshy shell, he's got to be miserable and frustrated getting hauled along behind us all the time and unable to do shit except act as assistant.
  560. [2011-11-18 19:23:32] <fuogo> He'll be free soon enough
  561. [2011-11-18 19:24:02] <fuogo> We will need to purchase a cloak or object to hide the fact we may lack a shadow in preparation
  562. [2011-11-18 19:24:24] <fuogo> Something that would empower him while he is connected to us would be best
  563. [2011-11-18 19:24:25] <TheInsufferableMystic> Besides, we need to have a positive feedback loop Irony, start mistrusting SB and it's a horrible slippery slope from there
  564. [2011-11-18 19:25:27] <Ironybot> Obviously. I was just observing that Shadowbro's life is not easy and I don't think we generally appreciate the kind of stress he's under. Armas loves doing random shit in his own unexpected and adventurous way- Shadowbro doesn't really get to do that anymore.
  565. [2011-11-18 19:26:30] <fuogo> I understand, I was just informing you the situation is more temporary than you would think.
  566. [2011-11-18 19:28:03] <Ironybot> Do we actually have a way to let him get free of us altogether instead of suffering snap-back when we cease being connected to the shadow he's traveling in?
  567. [2011-11-18 19:28:38] <fuogo> He'll be working on it himself
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  569. [2011-11-18 19:29:54] <Arkeus> Guile: well, it was FUN
  570. [2011-11-18 19:29:56] <fuogo> If there's one positive thing about him sharing Armas' personality it's that he will seek means to acquire power on his own.
  571. [2011-11-18 19:30:22] <Guile> Come nighttime, he can go on gad-abouts
  572. [2011-11-18 19:30:37] <Guile> yea, any Armas is going to be looking for the main chance
  573. [2011-11-18 19:30:55] <Guile> for that matter, maybe he already has been
  574. [2011-11-18 19:30:59] <Arkeus> He has
  575. [2011-11-18 19:31:03] <Arkeus> And he just got LESSONS
  576. [2011-11-18 19:31:05] <Arkeus> lots
  577. [2011-11-18 19:31:08] <fuogo> If Bob ever gets to the point where he has the free time he did during Ant Quest I would love to see a Shadowbro side stories quest.
  578. [2011-11-18 19:31:15] <Arkeus> Now we just have to give him OG lessons
  579. [2011-11-18 19:31:20] <Arkeus> or wait ofr Cornelius lessons
  580. [2011-11-18 19:31:22] <fuogo> Original Gangster?
  581. [2011-11-18 19:31:24] <Guile> it would be so weird
  582. [2011-11-18 19:31:26] <Arkeus> Not sure which would be best
  583. [2011-11-18 19:31:35] <Guile> Yes. He needs to hold his shadow-mere cocked sideways
  584. [2011-11-18 19:31:36] <fuogo> Shadowbro could put a couple caps in some bitches
  585. [2011-11-18 19:31:39] <Arkeus> fuogo: we will, iirc
  586. [2011-11-18 19:31:43] <Arkeus> have SB sidestory
  587. [2011-11-18 19:32:02] <Guile> anyway, Amen could also fill in holes in his knowledge base if we ever get some free time
  588. [2011-11-18 19:32:12] <Arkeus> Amen i am too wary of
  589. [2011-11-18 19:32:23] <fuogo> Hopefully we can get the charm going soon
  590. [2011-11-18 19:32:25] <Guile> we have a Cornelius-level master in our back pocket, and as long as we just have him lecture us, we should be fine
  591. [2011-11-18 19:33:06] <Guile> no knowledge is ever COMPLETELY wasted, even rituals about how to murder babies
  592. [2011-11-18 19:33:35] <fuogo> We need to check back and ask some specific questions about rituals we could use
  593. [2011-11-18 19:33:51] <Ironybot> Of all the rituals that Amen gave us, the only one I can ever realistically see us using is the blood-and-flame torture rite.
  594. [2011-11-18 19:33:56] <fuogo> I have a feeling there are probably a couple more useful ones we could deal out.
  595. [2011-11-18 19:34:09] <Arkeus> There are hundreds
  596. [2011-11-18 19:34:15] <fuogo> Obviously
  597. [2011-11-18 19:34:19] <Arkeus> but Amen won't tell us unless we ask specific questions
  598. [2011-11-18 19:34:24] <fuogo> And again
  599. [2011-11-18 19:34:49] <fuogo> What we could use is a tracking ritual
  600. [2011-11-18 19:36:31] <Arkeus> What we could also use is something to protect us from neuron damages from thinking too swiftly
  601. [2011-11-18 19:36:43] <Arkeus> like the lightning-charm
  602. [2011-11-18 19:41:27] <Guile> One of the charms does that, yes?
  603. [2011-11-18 19:41:32] <Guile> Reaper charms, I mean
  604. [2011-11-18 19:42:09] <Guile> I'm kind of wondering what the charms are bound to. If its the soul, as long as the Reaper remains in our eye we might be able to use them
  605. [2011-11-18 19:44:02] <fuogo> Wish there were some Einher to kill
  606. [2011-11-18 19:44:39] <Ironybot> I don't think that having the Reaper in our eye will let us use his gear. That would require our eye to be permeable enough for the charms to detect his presence.
  607. [2011-11-18 19:45:31] <Ironybot> As far as Einher go, we could make a Bargain with Sometimes Merchant to have him track Einher for us. Give us periodic updates on what he knows of all the world's Einher and their movements.
  608. [2011-11-18 19:45:39] =-= Gunpowder_Symphony is now known as Gun|AFK
  609. [2011-11-18 19:45:48] <fuogo> Reasonable, I like it
  610. [2011-11-18 19:46:23] <Ironybot> Also, should we become rich we can offer bounties on them; then anyone who claims the bounty is declaring themselves to have been acting on our behalf in killing the Einher and we get questions for their kills even without any action on our part.
  611. [2011-11-18 19:46:30] <Guile> well, we dont have to keep him in our eye... we could make him possess us!
  612. [2011-11-18 19:46:34] <fuogo> Hm, I wonder if Amen is aware of rituals outside of blood.
  613. [2011-11-18 19:46:35] <Guile> Itll be fun. More voices!
  614. [2011-11-18 19:46:48] <Guile> One that hates us and everything we stand for
  615. [2011-11-18 19:46:56] <fuogo> Ritual magic as a whole is interesting.
  616. [2011-11-18 19:49:12] <Guile> yeah, if not for the blank bloodlines thats the only way we'd have been able to get magic power
  617. [2011-11-18 19:49:32] <Guile> its almost a shame that whole thing came about
  618. [2011-11-18 19:49:51] <Guile> Id have been content being the small fish
  619. [2011-11-18 19:50:10] <fuogo> We're still a small fish
  620. [2011-11-18 19:50:18] <fuogo> Only we've decided to swim into the ocean.
  621. [2011-11-18 19:50:30] <fuogo> And make deals with great whites.
  622. [2011-11-18 19:51:48] <Guile> depends on the scale you're using, I guess
  623. [2011-11-18 19:52:27] <Guile> we, personally, are small fish. put us together with Shadowbro and Sake, and we've probably had the sharpest growth curve of all the PCs
  624. [2011-11-18 19:52:50] <fuogo> True enough, but that's probably because Armas has to play catch up
  625. [2011-11-18 19:53:02] <Guile> given time to prepare, I figure we could take Lammy now. From ambush and cheating like a bastard, sure, but do-able
  626. [2011-11-18 19:53:22] <fuogo> We need to order some silvered bullets
  627. [2011-11-18 19:53:30] <fuogo> Been putting that off for a long time
  628. [2011-11-18 19:53:34] <Guile> and frogs
  629. [2011-11-18 19:53:41] <fuogo> Yes and frogs
  630. [2011-11-18 19:53:49] <fuogo> Though I'm not sure if everyone was supposed to know that yet
  631. [2011-11-18 19:54:22] <Guile> actually, if we ever get a wizard contract, being able to summon a rain of frogs would be so delightfully bizarre, I'd want to use it in EVERY fight
  632. [2011-11-18 19:54:54] <fuogo> Can we get the frogs that secret hallucinogens?
  633. [2011-11-18 19:55:03] <fuogo> secrete*
  634. [2011-11-18 19:55:06] <Guile> let us hope
  635. [2011-11-18 19:55:57] <Ironybot> I wonder if "Rain of X" is a contractor power. Rain of fire. Rain of frogs. Rain of glass. Rain of whipped cream. Rain of grenades.
  636. [2011-11-18 19:56:17] <Guile> It seems slightly unlikely, but if it is... hot damn
  637. [2011-11-18 19:56:32] =-= Gun|AFK is now known as Gunpowder_Symphony
  638. [2011-11-18 19:56:33] <Ironybot> Protip, avoid fighting indoors if that's your ability.
  639. [2011-11-18 19:56:36] <fuogo> Rain of men
  640. [2011-11-18 19:56:44] <Ironybot> Rain of minions!
  641. [2011-11-18 19:56:46] <Guile> Rain of junk. Roll on the Random Shit Happens chart
  642. [2011-11-18 19:56:47] <Gunpowder_Symphony> Rain of GOLD BARS
  643. [2011-11-18 19:56:54] <fuogo> Chocolate rain?
  644. [2011-11-18 19:56:56] <Guile> there's a chart like that out there with 5000 separate items
  645. [2011-11-18 19:57:58] <fuogo> Oh Gun
  646. [2011-11-18 19:58:06] <fuogo> You resolve the issue with your Russian yet?
  647. [2011-11-18 19:58:27] <Gunpowder_Symphony> Errr...not sure what you mean there.
  648. [2011-11-18 19:58:28] <fuogo> Because if you want you could just ask Bob to transfer the character traits from your Russian to one of the one's like Boris
  649. [2011-11-18 19:58:32] <Gunpowder_Symphony> Ah.
  650. [2011-11-18 19:58:39] <fuogo> Who has very little in the way of definition
  651. [2011-11-18 19:58:48] <fuogo> Who's to say he's also not a tinkerer?
  652. [2011-11-18 19:59:11] <Gunpowder_Symphony> I'll ask him and see what's what later, yeah.
  653. [2011-11-18 19:59:17] <Gunpowder_Symphony> Assuming he comes online tonight.
  654. [2011-11-18 20:01:04] <fuogo> You know what would be interesting? Taking Armas to one of those blind dining restaurants.
  655. [2011-11-18 20:01:24] <fuogo> Armas can eat, Shadowbro can have fun, Sake can troll people in the dark.
  656. [2011-11-18 20:01:28] <Gunpowder_Symphony> Read that as blind dating and had a "Wot?" moment.
  657. [2011-11-18 20:01:29] <fuogo> Everybody wins
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  660. [2011-11-18 20:04:45] <Guile> blind dining?
  661. [2011-11-18 20:04:57] <Guile> although Armas doing the speed dating thing would be awesome
  662. [2011-11-18 20:05:00] <Guile> as a train wreck
  663. [2011-11-18 20:05:20] <Guile> also, the blind dates would be Adelat, Adelat in a cheap wig, Adelat wearing fake moustache-glasses...
  664. [2011-11-18 20:05:40] <fuogo> Blind dining, I'm not sure that's the correct term for it, but it's a type of restaurant that has diners eat completely in the dark
  665. [2011-11-18 20:05:59] <Guile> and then they tell you the next dish is monster brains when its really macaroni?
  666. [2011-11-18 20:06:29] <fuogo> Suppose, it's mostly just hand food people pay way too much for
  667. [2011-11-18 20:06:46] <fuogo> With an atmosphere you could create at home
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  670. [2011-11-18 20:33:30] <Samar> Gun's ruskie died?
  671. [2011-11-18 20:34:29] <MrTT> chocolate rain is actually about a diarrhea scat fetish
  672. [2011-11-18 20:35:02] <The_MAD_Gambler> what the fuck mrtt
  673. [2011-11-18 20:37:02] <MrTT> knowledge is power
  674. [2011-11-18 20:37:15] <MrTT> also, WTF! only one ring at a time in skyrim? bah
  675. [2011-11-18 20:37:17] <Gunpowder_Symphony> Wot? Died? Huh?
  676. [2011-11-18 20:40:58] <Samar> [20:57] fuogo Oh Gun
  677. [2011-11-18 20:41:00] <Samar> [20:58] fuogo You resolve the issue with your Russian yet? <= made me think he died
  678. [2011-11-18 20:41:06] <Gunpowder_Symphony> Ah.
  679. [2011-11-18 20:41:23] <Gunpowder_Symphony> No, more of uncertain validity of having a claim on one.
  680. [2011-11-18 20:43:19] <Gunpowder_Symphony> In theory I'd taken one of the unnamed ones a while back but with the list apparently filled I'm unsure of how it's going to work out now.
  681. [2011-11-18 20:44:34] -->| TheBeardiestBob (cgiirc@Rizon-782A7F7C.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #golemquest
  682. [2011-11-18 20:45:30] <fuogo> Hey Bob
  683. [2011-11-18 20:45:43] <Gunpowder_Symphony> AHHHHHHHHH A BOB
  684. [2011-11-18 20:45:46] <TheBeardiestBob> So yeah, was busy last night, but I have energy drinks and nothing planned tomorrow morning: Worst case scenario and I don't finish update tonight, it'll go out tomorrow morning.
  685. [2011-11-18 20:46:03] <fuogo> MrTT do you have a source for that?
  686. [2011-11-18 20:46:12] <fuogo> I mean I could see how it would be true
  687. [2011-11-18 20:46:12] <MrTT> source for what?
  688. [2011-11-18 20:46:18] <fuogo> Very easy conclusion to draw.
  689. [2011-11-18 20:46:29] <MrTT> it was a joke, its about racism
  690. [2011-11-18 20:46:47] <MrTT> replace chocolate rain with "racism against blacks"
  691. [2011-11-18 20:46:49] <MrTT> "
  692. [2011-11-18 20:47:38] <MrTT> "Chocolate rains, history books say it never will happen again" "chocolate rain, point it out and they will call you insane" "chocolate rain, you can see it in our prisons" "chocolate rains, somesomething something banks don't blacks loans"
  693. [2011-11-18 20:48:34] <MrTT> so... i decided to bling out my character in skyrim...
  694. [2011-11-18 20:48:40] <MrTT> and most jewlery is ugly as sin there
  695. [2011-11-18 20:48:44] <MrTT> the gold especially
  696. [2011-11-18 20:48:51] <MrTT> especially the more expensive kinds
  697. [2011-11-18 20:48:55] <Guile> vikings dont go in for bling
  698. [2011-11-18 20:49:10] <MrTT> I am thinking silver
  699. [2011-11-18 20:49:14] <BUTTZ> I just had the best nap ever
  700. [2011-11-18 20:49:15] <MrTT> with sapphire
  701. [2011-11-18 20:49:23] <MrTT> or maybe that green thing
  702. [2011-11-18 20:49:26] <MrTT> emerald
  703. [2011-11-18 20:49:27] <BUTTZ> I dozed off on the couch
  704. [2011-11-18 20:49:28] <Gunpowder_Symphony> Hey Bob, question for ya. With the list being apparently filled out, what's gonna happen with my theoretical Russian?
  705. [2011-11-18 20:49:32] <BUTTZ> and just relaxed
  706. [2011-11-18 20:49:42] <MrTT> gunpoweder
  707. [2011-11-18 20:49:46] <MrTT> what theoretical russia?
  708. [2011-11-18 20:50:17] <MrTT> oh i see what you mean
  709. [2011-11-18 20:50:53] <fuogo> Sounds like a nice nap
  710. [2011-11-18 20:50:59] <MrTT> ironybot needs to get off his ass and name his russian
  711. [2011-11-18 20:51:09] <Shifter43> Anybody got the descriptions for Vlad, Boris and Igor?
  712. [2011-11-18 20:51:11] <fuogo> Was it a warm snuggly nap or a nice chilled room nap?
  713. [2011-11-18 20:51:20] <Ironybot> Satai.
  714. [2011-11-18 20:51:26] <fuogo> Igor is the clock maker
  715. [2011-11-18 20:51:30] <fuogo> Boris is the cook
  716. [2011-11-18 20:51:38] <fuogo> And Vlad is heavy weapons I think...
  717. [2011-11-18 20:51:51] <BUTTZ> It was a nap in front of a radiant gas heater I have set up in the fireplace.
  718. [2011-11-18 20:52:04] <fuogo> But Igor was taken
  719. [2011-11-18 20:53:02] <MrTT> vlad, boris, and zhenya still untaken
  720. [2011-11-18 20:53:13] <BUTTZ> All the little injuries I've collected over the week, minor strains, cuts, bruises, all that from moving shit in my attic around, doesn't hurt at allllll now.
  721. [2011-11-18 20:53:21] <MrTT> 2 people may take one of them and I get the last leftover, the least wanted russian of them all
  722. [2011-11-18 20:53:57] <fuogo> Why the move?
  723. [2011-11-18 20:54:11] <BUTTZ> Getting decorations and shit down
  724. [2011-11-18 20:54:14] <fuogo> Ah
  725. [2011-11-18 20:54:24] <BUTTZ> Also, installing a security camera network
  726. [2011-11-18 20:54:37] <BUTTZ> Figured I'd kill two birds at once since I had to be up there anyway
  727. [2011-11-18 20:54:41] <fuogo> Fun
  728. [2011-11-18 20:57:54] <MrTT> gunpowder
  729. [2011-11-18 20:58:07] <MrTT> there are no more russians. there is only one unnamed and he is ironybot's...
  730. [2011-11-18 20:58:15] <MrTT> but he might be named what you suggested
  731. [2011-11-18 20:58:16] <Ironybot> I just named him.
  732. [2011-11-18 20:58:19] <fuogo> He's aware
  733. [2011-11-18 20:58:34] <MrTT> But gunpowder, there are still 2 slots left. why don't you claim a named russian?
  734. [2011-11-18 20:58:49] <MrTT> what did you name him ironybot?
  735. [2011-11-18 20:58:57] <MrTT> or her
  736. [2011-11-18 20:59:07] <Ironybot> Satai.
  737. [2011-11-18 20:59:15] <MrTT> last name?
  738. [2011-11-18 20:59:28] <Ironybot> I have not chosen one. Honestly, I don't expect it to come up.
  739. [2011-11-18 20:59:52] <MrTT> fair enough
  740. [2011-11-18 21:01:29] <MrTT> oh wait, you said "I had"... did you claim it early on and it somehow got missed?
  741. [2011-11-18 21:01:40] <MrTT> need to talk to bob about that the
  742. [2011-11-18 21:01:41] <MrTT> then
  743. [2011-11-18 21:01:56] <MrTT> simplest solution, there were always 19 russians (retcon)
  744. [2011-11-18 21:02:08] <Guile> I chose three names for mine - dont anticipate needing more than Titus
  745. [2011-11-18 21:02:35] <MrTT> Titus Massivus Dickus
  746. [2011-11-18 21:04:38] <Arkeus> i died :-(
  747. [2011-11-18 21:04:49] <Arkeus> oh, a bob
  748. [2011-11-18 21:08:30] <fuogo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PdHiOMlT2Zw
  749. [2011-11-18 21:08:32] <Classhole> fuogo: The Mini Boss (3rd Person Action) - length 3m 3s - rated 4.94/5.0 (15721) - 583948 views - CorridorDigital on 2011.11.11
  750. [2011-11-18 21:13:51] <MrTT> oh god, i love how he flies away at the end
  751. [2011-11-18 21:13:54] <MrTT> this is just like freddiew
  752. [2011-11-18 21:16:35] <Guile> how did you know, TT?
  753. [2011-11-18 21:18:08] <BUTTZ> Alright I'm not following what's going on. There's some issue with the Russian distribution system?
  754. [2011-11-18 21:18:09] <Arkeus> Somehow, my mage's best skill is pickopcket
  755. [2011-11-18 21:18:15] <Arkeus> With a massive 70
  756. [2011-11-18 21:18:23] <Arkeus> my next best is destruction at around 50 -_-
  757. [2011-11-18 21:19:01] <Arkeus> I can't wait to have 100 pickpocket and make everyone naked
  758. [2011-11-18 21:19:41] <MrTT> how did i know what?
  759. [2011-11-18 21:20:11] <MrTT> my mage is... like 50-60 in destruction and restoration. but got 100 on enchanting and smithing
  760. [2011-11-18 21:20:16] <Guile> That 'Massivus Dickus' was my russian's other two names. Its like an allusion, you see
  761. [2011-11-18 21:20:31] <MrTT> speaking of... the maximum possible enchantment is +67% to magicka regen
  762. [2011-11-18 21:20:56] <MrTT> not as nice as the robes of -25% to school +150% magicka regen...
  763. [2011-11-18 21:21:12] <MrTT> but you get armor and can stack it with helmet of magicka regen, and ring, and necklace
  764. [2011-11-18 21:21:30] <MrTT> and with double enchantment (must be two different enchantments) it can also each have another boost
  765. [2011-11-18 21:21:38] <MrTT> like +magicka +magicka regen
  766. [2011-11-18 21:21:54] <MrTT> or +resist magic... that is an important one as you want to get the max of +85% resist magick
  767. [2011-11-18 21:21:57] <MrTT> since magic ignores armor
  768. [2011-11-18 21:22:04] <MrTT> otherwise higher level enemy mages can one shot you
  769. [2011-11-18 21:22:06] <Arkeus> or, you know, -40% to destruction cost
  770. [2011-11-18 21:22:07] <Arkeus> iirc
  771. [2011-11-18 21:22:30] <MrTT> -40% to destruction is not as good
  772. [2011-11-18 21:22:38] <Arkeus> basic mage get up:
  773. [2011-11-18 21:22:39] <Arkeus> Helm: -29% Destruction spell cost, +47% Bow damage
  774. [2011-11-18 21:22:39] <Arkeus> Armor: -29% Destruction spell cost, +29 Heavy armor skill
  775. [2011-11-18 21:22:39] <Arkeus> Gloves: +29 Heavy armor skill, +47% One-hand damage
  776. [2011-11-18 21:22:39] <Arkeus> Boots: +47% One-hand damage, +54% Increase in Fire resistance
  777. [2011-11-18 21:22:39] <Arkeus> Necklace: -29% Destruction spell cost, +23% Increase in Magic resistance
  778. [2011-11-18 21:22:39] <Arkeus> Ring: -29% Destruction spell cost, +23% Increase in Magic resistance
  779. [2011-11-18 21:22:55] <Arkeus> Well, 'Mage'
  780. [2011-11-18 21:23:08] <MrTT> given a choice between -29% to destruction and +67% to regen I got with regen
  781. [2011-11-18 21:23:10] <Arkeus> MrTT: you don't need any amgicka regen if your spells all cost 0
  782. [2011-11-18 21:23:43] <MrTT> with enough regen it regenerates faster hten you can spend it even on top end spells
  783. [2011-11-18 21:23:53] <MrTT> and that way you can case spells from other schools too
  784. [2011-11-18 21:23:54] <Ironybot> Argh. I should really post something in the thread noting that rambling infodumps and ill-substantiated paranoid warnings are not the proper way to go about speaking to Camella, but I lack any constructive ideas for what would go with the SUST. Anyone have something useful?
  785. [2011-11-18 21:24:27] <Arkeus> Ironybot: Something to say to Ito
  786. [2011-11-18 21:24:32] <MrTT> suggest that we talk to hilevi about camelia before they meet
  787. [2011-11-18 21:24:38] <MrTT> and about ito
  788. [2011-11-18 21:24:42] <MrTT> so she knows something about them
  789. [2011-11-18 21:24:46] <Arkeus> Also, suggesting to try to ascertain Itop's students souls
  790. [2011-11-18 21:24:49] <BUTTZ> It's rambling and disjointed because I expect we're going to get some back and forth there
  791. [2011-11-18 21:24:50] <Arkeus> see if any stands out
  792. [2011-11-18 21:25:03] <BUTTZ> Camella's player is fairly predictable in terms of what she says
  793. [2011-11-18 21:25:26] <MrTT> ark
  794. [2011-11-18 21:25:37] <MrTT> nevermind, i misread
  795. [2011-11-18 21:25:44] <Arkeus> MrTT: As i said, making it that the spells you use cost almost nothing is better than improving magicka regen
  796. [2011-11-18 21:25:51] <Guile> you should do that thing, Irony
  797. [2011-11-18 21:25:54] <Guile> that thing you said
  798. [2011-11-18 21:25:58] <BUTTZ> Everything I touched on there is stuff I considered important enough to merit special wording and mention
  799. [2011-11-18 21:26:00] <MrTT> oh right, right now i am hunting for a +enchanting, +smithing, +alchemy items to disenchant
  800. [2011-11-18 21:26:01] <Arkeus> What was 'that thing?'
  801. [2011-11-18 21:26:04] <MrTT> to learn those enchantments
  802. [2011-11-18 21:26:16] <Arkeus> i don't think there are +enchanting
  803. [2011-11-18 21:26:27] <Guile> I actually shouldnt talk, since I STILL havent read Buttz's post myself
  804. [2011-11-18 21:26:33] <Ironybot> Please do.
  805. [2011-11-18 21:26:40] <MrTT> oh right... you enchant +alchemy, then make a +enchant potion
  806. [2011-11-18 21:26:49] <Guile> that seems needlessly circuitous
  807. [2011-11-18 21:26:51] <Arkeus> Honestly BUTTZ, while some of what you wrote was interesting, a lot was too info-dumpy and didn't deserve any special wording
  808. [2011-11-18 21:26:59] <MrTT> then make a potion of +smith and enchant of +smith to get awesome awesome armor
  809. [2011-11-18 21:27:02] <MrTT> and weapons
  810. [2011-11-18 21:27:11] <Arkeus> Just saying 'Armas should mention' would in fact probably provide BETTER dialog
  811. [2011-11-18 21:27:12] <MrTT> then you do potion of +enchant to super enchant it
  812. [2011-11-18 21:27:14] <Guile> find a way to make dragon armor awesome
  813. [2011-11-18 21:27:33] <Arkeus> you can make potions of +smith too
  814. [2011-11-18 21:27:37] <Arkeus> +132% iirc
  815. [2011-11-18 21:27:40] <MrTT> I am so pissed that heavy dragon armor is inferior to daedra
  816. [2011-11-18 21:27:53] <MrTT> @Aek: yes, I thought i mentioned that though
  817. [2011-11-18 21:27:53] <Arkeus> Well, light armor is best light armor
  818. [2011-11-18 21:27:58] <Arkeus> and heavy dragon armor isn't bad
  819. [2011-11-18 21:28:00] <MrTT> why is light armor better?
  820. [2011-11-18 21:28:01] <Arkeus> just slightly inferior
  821. [2011-11-18 21:28:09] <MrTT> oh light dragon
  822. [2011-11-18 21:28:15] <MrTT> well lgiht armor is kinda pointless
  823. [2011-11-18 21:28:18] <Arkeus> MrTT: because light armor draconic > glass armor
  824. [2011-11-18 21:28:29] <Ironybot> Anyway, while I actually oppose telling her only a little of what was written- most notably the Wild Hunt bit, which is a big no- we have things that we need to talk to her about which are way more important than general magical background stuff. Honestly, we can leave her in a room for a few hours with Hillevi and by the time we come back they'll probably have filled each other in on the...
  825. [2011-11-18 21:28:29] <Ironybot> ...basics of their respective worlds of combat.
  826. [2011-11-18 21:28:30] <BUTTZ> Dude you notice how I put that disclaimer right at the start? "Stop me if you know this, I'll skip to the next bit."
  827. [2011-11-18 21:28:34] <MrTT> there is a perk that make armor weightless
  828. [2011-11-18 21:28:36] <MrTT> i got it
  829. [2011-11-18 21:28:52] <Arkeus> Ironybot: totally agree
  830. [2011-11-18 21:29:13] <MrTT> @Ironybot, good idea
  831. [2011-11-18 21:29:16] <MrTT> you have your suggestion
  832. [2011-11-18 21:29:22] <Arkeus> Well, differene between light and heavy isn't just weight
  833. [2011-11-18 21:29:23] <Ironybot> Also, I don't think that rushing into "we want to turn you into a witch" is a particularly good idea- we don't even know if that's possible.
  834. [2011-11-18 21:29:26] <Arkeus> perks for light are different
  835. [2011-11-18 21:29:28] <MrTT> ask hilevi if she will explain some general magic stuff to camella
  836. [2011-11-18 21:29:44] <Arkeus> Turning Camella into a witch is a damn offensive idea
  837. [2011-11-18 21:29:59] <MrTT> not much different ark
  838. [2011-11-18 21:30:08] <BUTTZ> We're presenting it as "Well this is dangerous and dumb and it'd probably kill you, but it's the only idea I've got so far"
  839. [2011-11-18 21:30:17] <MrTT> light gives 10 percent dodge, heavy gives 10% reflect... both not worth a perk
  840. [2011-11-18 21:30:29] <BUTTZ> "Oh BTW I think you're being hunted down, and right now I'm not at full power"
  841. [2011-11-18 21:30:30] <MrTT> the nice thing about heavy armor is that it boosts unarmed damage
  842. [2011-11-18 21:30:35] <Guile> Irony - we the readers know its possible. Armas probably doesnt
  843. [2011-11-18 21:30:38] <MrTT> which makes all those fistcuffs bouts much easier
  844. [2011-11-18 21:30:47] <MrTT> also reduces falling damage
  845. [2011-11-18 21:30:50] <Ironybot> I would prefer not to present any ideas if all we have is something that terrible. Likewise with getting border and trying to send her home- that's going to be utterly suicidal and in all likelihood will only inspire false hope.
  846. [2011-11-18 21:31:28] <Arkeus> Indeed
  847. [2011-11-18 21:31:37] <Arkeus> While it MIGHT work, we won't know for foerver
  848. [2011-11-18 21:31:40] <Arkeus> so let's not present ideas
  849. [2011-11-18 21:31:43] <Ironybot> Tearing holes in the borders between worlds is a crazy plan even if we do get that power.
  850. [2011-11-18 21:31:46] <MrTT> bob said he is working on update
  851. [2011-11-18 21:31:53] <MrTT> i think that means it is too late for more posts
  852. [2011-11-18 21:32:01] <BUTTZ> Wait when the fuck did you guys get cautious
  853. [2011-11-18 21:32:04] <BUTTZ> This is bizzare
  854. [2011-11-18 21:32:12] <Gunpowder_Symphony> Gotta AFK for a while. Someone want to paste my question to Bob when he turns his attention back to IRC again?
  855. [2011-11-18 21:32:14] <MrTT> no wait, he didn't say he is working on it now
  856. [2011-11-18 21:32:18] <Arkeus> the night crew is more cautious than day crew
  857. [2011-11-18 21:32:21] <Arkeus> Well, not quiet
  858. [2011-11-18 21:32:24] <MrTT> he said if he doesn't finish it tonight it will go tomorrow
  859. [2011-11-18 21:32:25] <The_MAD_Gambler> Use Classhole's .tell feature, Gun
  860. [2011-11-18 21:32:25] <Arkeus> We are all cautious
  861. [2011-11-18 21:32:29] <Arkeus> but on different stuff
  862. [2011-11-18 21:32:32] <BUTTZ> Classhole's full up
  863. [2011-11-18 21:32:48] <The_MAD_Gambler> Bob said something. Queued messages gone, I think
  864. [2011-11-18 21:32:48] <Gunpowder_Symphony> I have no idea how the bot works in most areas anyway.
  865. [2011-11-18 21:32:52] <Ironybot> I would think that I've always been reasonably cautious.
  866. [2011-11-18 21:33:07] <MrTT> the plan to turn her into a witch is more practical then it is for armas to send her back himself
  867. [2011-11-18 21:33:14] <Gunpowder_Symphony> Anyhow, back later. If there's a response someone PM it at me.
  868. [2011-11-18 21:33:16] <BUTTZ> They're both dangerous as fuck
  869. [2011-11-18 21:33:17] <fuogo> Ironybot has anyone mentioned talking to Hafaz and Co about the files on us/our Russians about the files they grabbed?
  870. [2011-11-18 21:33:19] =-= Gunpowder_Symphony is now known as Gun|AFK
  871. [2011-11-18 21:33:30] <fuogo> You could use that
  872. [2011-11-18 21:33:42] <MrTT> yes they are both dangerous as fuck buttz
  873. [2011-11-18 21:33:44] <fuogo> I haven't read a single suggestions though,
  874. [2011-11-18 21:33:45] <The_MAD_Gambler> But then again, a sudden jump to power, a new Witch at Istanbul, boy we're attracting a /lot/ of attention...
  875. [2011-11-18 21:33:47] <Ironybot> Turning her into a witch is an insane plan. If a witch can send her home, there's one that lives in town and we can just ask about it instead of trying to turn her into one.
  876. [2011-11-18 21:34:13] <BUTTZ> Ironybot, a third-party witch has to live with the consequences of sending her home
  877. [2011-11-18 21:34:31] <Ironybot> ...such as?
  878. [2011-11-18 21:34:37] <Ironybot> Getting paid for it, maybe?
  879. [2011-11-18 21:34:44] <The_MAD_Gambler> She isn't very important...
  880. [2011-11-18 21:34:47] <BUTTZ> Apparently tearing holes between realities attracts hella attention. Hence the fucking Wyld Hunt.
  881. [2011-11-18 21:34:55] <Guile> no, the plan to infuse her with strikes (which we dont have) and then resurrect her if we fail and she explodes (which is not going to endear her to the plan) is dangerously insane. Dangerously insane like a FOX.
  882. [2011-11-18 21:35:16] <The_MAD_Gambler> I don't think foxes are insane
  883. [2011-11-18 21:35:23] <Ironybot> I suspect that if she explodes her soul would be too shredded to resurrect anyway.
  884. [2011-11-18 21:35:28] <Guile> they are if they come up with plans like that
  885. [2011-11-18 21:35:36] <BUTTZ> It's also Classic Armas, and him presenting it as "a dangerous plan" in plain language means she will pay attention.
  886. [2011-11-18 21:35:53] <Guile> easy way to check; is the Reaper soul missing an arm?
  887. [2011-11-18 21:36:21] <The_MAD_Gambler> Noap.
  888. [2011-11-18 21:36:23] <The_MAD_Gambler> ?gfh
  889. [2011-11-18 21:36:24] <Ironybot> Why would it be?
  890. [2011-11-18 21:36:24] <Classhole> http://tgchan.org/kusaba/quest/res/360354+50.html
  891. [2011-11-18 21:36:43] <BUTTZ> Anyway the best part is that this will help her decide she doesn't mind a little extra heat if it means more information from Armas' contacts about what happened to her and ways to cross worlds.
  892. [2011-11-18 21:36:47] <Guile> because the body is missing an arm. Otherwise, why would exploding shred her soul?
  893. [2011-11-18 21:37:05] <Guile> I guess maybe the energies involved... somehow...?
  894. [2011-11-18 21:37:08] <MrTT> "<Ironybot> I suspect that if she explodes her soul would be too shredded to resurrect anyway." = this
  895. [2011-11-18 21:37:11] <fuogo> Anyone do the Azura quest in Skyrim yet?
  896. [2011-11-18 21:37:24] <MrTT> when i said the witch plan was better i meant to say how stupid a plan that other one was, not that the witch plan is a good idea
  897. [2011-11-18 21:37:24] <Ironybot> My understanding is that the connection between wizards and the nevernever is rooted in the soul, not in the body, and the body exploding is a physical side effect of soul power overload.
  898. [2011-11-18 21:37:31] <MrTT> azura sounds fmailiar
  899. [2011-11-18 21:37:36] <Ironybot> I admit, I could be wrong in that assessment.
  900. [2011-11-18 21:37:39] <fuogo> Azura's star
  901. [2011-11-18 21:37:42] <The_MAD_Gambler> Ragnarok Online, MrTT?
  902. [2011-11-18 21:37:45] <fuogo> Reusable soul gem
  903. [2011-11-18 21:37:49] <MrTT> oh yes i did it
  904. [2011-11-18 21:38:00] <fuogo> Which is preferable, the normal or black variation?
  905. [2011-11-18 21:38:01] <MrTT> its a rather shitty reward when you think about it
  906. [2011-11-18 21:38:03] <Guile> it makes sense, but I dont think its been explicitly stated. does seem kinda likely tho, what with souls mostly going to the nevernever after death
  907. [2011-11-18 21:38:07] <MrTT> saves you a pittance of money
  908. [2011-11-18 21:38:17] <MrTT> at a time where you are powerful enough to get grand souls
  909. [2011-11-18 21:38:31] <The_MAD_Gambler> They go to the Nevernever, and are used as fuel by Gods for whatever thing they're doing
  910. [2011-11-18 21:38:37] <MrTT> there is no normal or black variation
  911. [2011-11-18 21:38:45] <Guile> and wizard contracts involving a soul exchange would suggest their power is rooted in soul
  912. [2011-11-18 21:38:46] <fuogo> There is
  913. [2011-11-18 21:38:51] <MrTT> azura star was being turned into a black version to give a mage immortality
  914. [2011-11-18 21:38:55] <fuogo> You can choose who to go to at the end of the quest
  915. [2011-11-18 21:39:03] <MrTT> your choice is to bring it to azura who sends you inside to kill him and purify it
  916. [2011-11-18 21:39:13] <BUTTZ> Remember what Shadowbro said about Grigori? The wizard's shadow was an open gate to the NeverNever?
  917. [2011-11-18 21:39:16] <BUTTZ> Or something along those lines
  918. [2011-11-18 21:39:17] <MrTT> or you can give it to someone else who does the exact same thing... but makes an enemy of azura
  919. [2011-11-18 21:39:20] <fuogo> Unless I'm reading this incorrectly
  920. [2011-11-18 21:39:22] <Guile> I do not, buttz
  921. [2011-11-18 21:39:23] <BUTTZ> That he didn't dare to look too closely
  922. [2011-11-18 21:39:29] <Guile> doesnt mean it didnt happen, o'course
  923. [2011-11-18 21:39:38] <MrTT> and AFAIK azura star can store both white and black souls anyways
  924. [2011-11-18 21:39:45] <BUTTZ> This was I think during our first pow-wow with SB
  925. [2011-11-18 21:39:59] <MrTT> no wait... it did in LORE but then in this quest it CAN'T store black souls for some reason
  926. [2011-11-18 21:40:05] <MrTT> which is stupid contradiction
  927. [2011-11-18 21:40:23] <MrTT> i hope SB gets rested soon, I can't wait to hear what he learned
  928. [2011-11-18 21:40:48] <MrTT> @BUTTZ: The wizard HIMSELF is an open gate to the NN
  929. [2011-11-18 21:40:59] <MrTT> by definition, that is what a wizard is... but interesting that their shadow is also a gate
  930. [2011-11-18 21:41:03] <MrTT> thats like two gates
  931. [2011-11-18 21:41:08] <fuogo> What I'm reading says if you take to the elven wizard he can give you the black variation
  932. [2011-11-18 21:41:09] <MrTT> i wonder if other aspects of them are also gates
  933. [2011-11-18 21:41:13] <BUTTZ> Probably
  934. [2011-11-18 21:41:14] <fuogo> Which allows you to take in black souls
  935. [2011-11-18 21:41:21] <BUTTZ> Probably everything but the corpus is, is my guess
  936. [2011-11-18 21:41:21] <Arkeus> <fuogo> Ironybot has anyone mentioned talking to Hafaz and Co about the files on us/our Russians about the files they grabbed? <= i did, but he could use that
  937. [2011-11-18 21:41:28] <MrTT> From reading online, he tries but it just ends up being the normal kind
  938. [2011-11-18 21:41:32] <Arkeus> As people don't read what i post (or don't like it ;_;)
  939. [2011-11-18 21:41:53] <The_MAD_Gambler> Hmm, files are accurate enough as to know when we came back
  940. [2011-11-18 21:42:04] <Ironybot> On the topic of those files- didn't we imply that the Russians would be able to keep those files themselves, rather than handing them over to us? I seem to recall something of the sort.
  941. [2011-11-18 21:42:12] <The_MAD_Gambler> Can't be that someone sold us out...??
  942. [2011-11-18 21:42:15] <Arkeus> <fuogo> Anyone do the Azura quest in Skyrim yet? <= soon
  943. [2011-11-18 21:42:18] <Guile> thats because you slip the good bits in around craziness like having Amen build the Redcaps a permanent residence in the mansion
  944. [2011-11-18 21:42:28] <Guile> living with Amen wasnt enough, you want the cannibal duo, too?
  945. [2011-11-18 21:42:40] <The_MAD_Gambler> Wait what...?
  946. [2011-11-18 21:42:44] <MrTT> fuogo, you can test it out and see. from what i read the elven wizard just makes it the same white soul azura star only now you are an enemy of azura
  947. [2011-11-18 21:43:05] <MrTT> but you can test it out and then update the two skyrim wikies
  948. [2011-11-18 21:43:05] <Arkeus> no, he doesn't
  949. [2011-11-18 21:43:07] <MrTT> with the correct info
  950. [2011-11-18 21:43:13] <Arkeus> Iirc, Azura gives you nromal Azura
  951. [2011-11-18 21:43:17] <Arkeus> other guy give you Black one
  952. [2011-11-18 21:43:28] <Arkeus> which means it takes people's soul, and not beasts
  953. [2011-11-18 21:43:29] <MrTT> well, then the wikies are wrong, which is no big surprise
  954. [2011-11-18 21:43:45] <MrTT> http://xkcd.com/978/
  955. [2011-11-18 21:43:53] <TheBeardiestBob> ...Dammit work, stop making me want to work by offering me double-pay and written recommendations (for in company transfer or otherwise) for fixing a problem I can solve stoned.
  956. [2011-11-18 21:44:01] <TheBeardiestBob> ...So, yeah, there will not be an update tonight
  957. [2011-11-18 21:44:01] <Arkeus> <Ironybot> On the topic of those files- didn't we imply that the Russians would be able to keep those files themselves, rather than handing them over to us? I seem to recall something of the sort. <= We also said 'as long as i get to read them'
  958. [2011-11-18 21:44:14] <Ironybot> I admit, I was going to SUST having Amen build the Redcaps an apartment until I saw that other people had that covered, and I didn't really want to go to the work of giving a full review of everyone else's posts at the time.
  959. [2011-11-18 21:44:19] <TheBeardiestBob> As I'm getting paid $40 an hour to fix someone else's mistakes in a manner that to me is painfully simple
  960. [2011-11-18 21:44:25] <MrTT> work is important bob, you do what you need to do
  961. [2011-11-18 21:44:30] <Arkeus> heh ok
  962. [2011-11-18 21:44:35] <Arkeus> Have a good work then bob
  963. [2011-11-18 21:44:46] <Arkeus> Will there be an update tomrrow, or you will be too tireD?
  964. [2011-11-18 21:44:52] <TheBeardiestBob> Work isn't what I'm focused on here-it's that I'll be paid $40 an hour AND Recommendations for doing work, from home, while high.
  965. [2011-11-18 21:44:54] <TheBeardiestBob> I mean....
  966. [2011-11-18 21:45:05] <Arkeus> ^^
  967. [2011-11-18 21:45:05] <Ironybot> Tough to turn that down, yeah.
  968. [2011-11-18 21:45:08] <MrTT> yea, that is pretty sweet
  969. [2011-11-18 21:45:09] <TheBeardiestBob> That's pretty fucking high up on the scale of 'decadently awesome version of normal stuff'
  970. [2011-11-18 21:45:23] <MrTT> if only normal work was that awesome
  971. [2011-11-18 21:45:28] <TheBeardiestBob> I WILL answer questions though.
  972. [2011-11-18 21:45:30] <TheBeardiestBob> So there's that
  973. [2011-11-18 21:45:31] <Guile> well, I SUPPOSE that's more importantthan insuring we get our nightly update... I GUESS
  974. [2011-11-18 21:45:39] <Ironybot> Well, that is convenient.
  975. [2011-11-18 21:46:20] <Ironybot> Here's a question: What makes a god a god? We've discussed previously what makes humans human and mortals mortal, so moving on with that series.
  976. [2011-11-18 21:46:42] <Arkeus> They are created from belief
  977. [2011-11-18 21:46:56] <Arkeus> Either that, or they have enough belief to turn themselves into god
  978. [2011-11-18 21:46:58] <Guile> but you can also become one through transfers and maybe rituals and stuff
  979. [2011-11-18 21:47:03] <Arkeus> see wizard-god, Lucifer, etc
  980. [2011-11-18 21:47:13] <Arkeus> But it's always based on Belief
  981. [2011-11-18 21:48:51] <TheBeardiestBob> Anything is officially a god when it's primary set of power is divine in nature. This could come about by them being born AS gods (belief coalescing into existence) OR by a non-divine being acquiring enough Belief that they have more Belief than all other forms of magic in their body. This causes the belief to mature into actual divine energy.
  982. [2011-11-18 21:49:27] <Guile> divine energy is just a different power soure from soul energy?
  983. [2011-11-18 21:49:40] <TheBeardiestBob> Soul energy is YOUR will/drive/etc.
  984. [2011-11-18 21:49:40] <Arkeus> So it's actually harder for a Dragon to turn himself into a God than for a Human?
  985. [2011-11-18 21:49:49] <TheBeardiestBob> Divine energy is OTHER'S will/drive/belief
  986. [2011-11-18 21:50:07] <TheBeardiestBob> That is correct Arkeus
  987. [2011-11-18 21:50:10] <Guile> interesting
  988. [2011-11-18 21:50:14] <fuogo> MrTT
  989. [2011-11-18 21:50:20] <fuogo> I just did the quest with the elf
  990. [2011-11-18 21:50:20] <MrTT> yes?
  991. [2011-11-18 21:50:21] <Arkeus> Yeah, that's interesting
  992. [2011-11-18 21:50:23] <fuogo> Says I got the black star
  993. [2011-11-18 21:50:30] <MrTT> is it black in color?
  994. [2011-11-18 21:50:34] <Arkeus> that means if we want to go God, it might be beneficial to do it before getting Dragon
  995. [2011-11-18 21:50:35] <fuogo> Yes
  996. [2011-11-18 21:50:37] <MrTT> does the name say black star?
  997. [2011-11-18 21:50:37] <Arkeus> Or instead
  998. [2011-11-18 21:50:38] <MrTT> awesome
  999. [2011-11-18 21:50:39] <MrTT> good to know
  1000. [2011-11-18 21:50:41] <fuogo> I can take in black souls
  1001. [2011-11-18 21:50:46] <Arkeus> :-(
  1002. [2011-11-18 21:50:49] <Arkeus> You Bastard
  1003. [2011-11-18 21:50:51] <Guile> We're already part-divine, and I honestly dont ever see us becoming a dragon
  1004. [2011-11-18 21:51:03] <Arkeus> Guile: Well, there are ways, but not great ones
  1005. [2011-11-18 21:51:05] <MrTT> @Ark, i think the other way around
  1006. [2011-11-18 21:51:09] <Arkeus> We'll help Einrik become one
  1007. [2011-11-18 21:51:11] <MrTT> since a god cannot become a dragon too
  1008. [2011-11-18 21:51:12] <Arkeus> should be enough
  1009. [2011-11-18 21:51:16] <MrTT> also
  1010. [2011-11-18 21:51:24] <Arkeus> MrTT: a God has no reason to become one, though
  1011. [2011-11-18 21:51:28] <Arkeus> Well, i think
  1012. [2011-11-18 21:51:29] <Guile> yeah, like eating 50 dragons or running the crucible. not happening.
  1013. [2011-11-18 21:51:35] |<-- Dart666 has left irc.rizon.net (Remote host closed the connection)
  1014. [2011-11-18 21:51:45] <MrTT> so if we have a perfectly good dead dragon you will not eat it?
  1015. [2011-11-18 21:51:54] <Arkeus> TheBeardiestBob: is there any reason for a God to want to be a Dragon?
  1016. [2011-11-18 21:51:55] <BUTTZ> A whole dragon is pretty greasy and high in saturated fats
  1017. [2011-11-18 21:51:57] <MrTT> 50 lets us be a true dragon... but even 1 should massively empower us
  1018. [2011-11-18 21:52:09] <Arkeus> I men ,he doesn't need any of its powerset, does he?
  1019. [2011-11-18 21:52:19] <The_MAD_Gambler> >Armas >Worries about nutritional value of what he eats
  1020. [2011-11-18 21:52:21] <Ironybot> Interesting. So, as an extension of this- does that imply that divine energy will go away if there isn't sufficient belief continuing to power it? For example, you said at one point that any hypothetical Summer descendants of Armas would have a Divine power source in their bloodline; if people stopped believing in.... something, either Whaitiri or whatever else it's drawing on, that Summer...
  1021. [2011-11-18 21:52:21] <Ironybot> ...bloodline would wither and fade?
  1022. [2011-11-18 21:52:24] <MrTT> don't gods reside in the never never
  1023. [2011-11-18 21:52:39] <Arkeus> Ironybot: Whaitiri was fading
  1024. [2011-11-18 21:52:47] <Arkeus> Hence why she agreed to us eating her soul
  1025. [2011-11-18 21:52:49] <Arkeus> part of
  1026. [2011-11-18 21:53:16] <The_MAD_Gambler> Us eating? You mean...she using her soul to patch up the holes
  1027. [2011-11-18 21:53:24] <Arkeus> We ate her back
  1028. [2011-11-18 21:53:27] <MrTT> bob, if a god is merely a divine who has most of their power come from faith. then how come there are deities who are not god due to being too weak that are not ascended mortals?
  1029. [2011-11-18 21:53:53] <MrTT> like... say, sake
  1030. [2011-11-18 21:54:03] <Ironybot> Whaitiri was fading, but she's- as I understand it- the sort of god made exclusively of belief, and thus vulnerable to that sort of thing. I'm wondering more if divine energy in general fades if it doesn't get a constant influx of power, or if it can just keep rolling along.
  1031. [2011-11-18 21:54:04] <Arkeus> Sake doesn't have MOST of his power from that
  1032. [2011-11-18 21:54:05] <MrTT> sake is a divinity but not a god, despite mortals calling him a god
  1033. [2011-11-18 21:54:08] <Arkeus> he has SOME divine power
  1034. [2011-11-18 21:54:11] <Arkeus> but that's all
  1035. [2011-11-18 21:54:34] <MrTT> mmm, but divine in origins... ok then what about whaitiri
  1036. [2011-11-18 21:54:41] <MrTT> isn't she a divinity but not god class?
  1037. [2011-11-18 21:54:47] <Arkeus> She is God Class
  1038. [2011-11-18 21:54:49] <The_MAD_Gambler> She is a God.
  1039. [2011-11-18 21:54:51] <Arkeus> Just currently weak
  1040. [2011-11-18 21:54:51] <MrTT> we know she resides fully in NN
  1041. [2011-11-18 21:54:52] <The_MAD_Gambler> Low-tier.
  1042. [2011-11-18 21:55:06] <The_MAD_Gambler> Goddess*, gah
  1043. [2011-11-18 21:55:17] <MrTT> gah-dess
  1044. [2011-11-18 21:55:20] <MrTT> :)
  1045. [2011-11-18 21:55:20] <TheBeardiestBob> Arkeus: Becoming a God is pretty much the end. You get some crazy stuff, sure, but you swap out whatever power set you had for one that's reliant on EXTERNALLY GENERATED ENERGY
  1046. [2011-11-18 21:55:21] <Arkeus> Ironybot: she is made excusively (at least she was) of divine energy
  1047. [2011-11-18 21:55:27] <Arkeus> if divine energy couldn't fade...
  1048. [2011-11-18 21:55:32] <TheBeardiestBob> which carries with it rather easily predicted problems.
  1049. [2011-11-18 21:55:37] <Arkeus> Interesting
  1050. [2011-11-18 21:55:40] <Arkeus> so it's a swap?
  1051. [2011-11-18 21:55:48] <Arkeus> but what about Dragon-god or Wizard-god?
  1052. [2011-11-18 21:55:55] <Arkeus> They cheated?
  1053. [2011-11-18 21:56:04] <MrTT> how susceptible gods are to external influence altering their personality?
  1054. [2011-11-18 21:56:19] <TheBeardiestBob> Ironybot: Yes actually, that's how 'natural' (not ones that become gods but started as something else) die: By being forgotten
  1055. [2011-11-18 21:56:20] <MrTT> and are wizard-gods or dragon-gods resistant to that? how about top tier gods
  1056. [2011-11-18 21:56:41] <TheBeardiestBob> And yes, that would take with it anything that's directly powered by the now forgotten god
  1057. [2011-11-18 21:56:44] <The_MAD_Gambler> Oh man, they die foreveralone.png
  1058. [2011-11-18 21:57:09] <TheBeardiestBob> >bob, if a god is merely a divine who has most of their power come from faith. then how come there are deities who are not god due to being too weak that are not ascended mortals?
  1059. [2011-11-18 21:57:14] <TheBeardiestBob> Please restructure your question
  1060. [2011-11-18 21:57:37] <Ironybot> Interesting... so when a god dies, all their artifacts and such die with them, unless they had crafted those artifacts using some method other than their basic divine powers?
  1061. [2011-11-18 21:57:49] <TheBeardiestBob> And Ironybot: Divine energy does not decay, but also does not naturally regenerate-you use it up, you need to acquire more
  1062. [2011-11-18 21:57:59] <TheBeardiestBob> That is correct Ironybot
  1063. [2011-11-18 21:58:01] <Arkeus> TheBeardiestBob: does this mean Wizard-god or Dragon-God are really only 'god', but they used to be Wizards/Dragons?
  1064. [2011-11-18 21:58:26] <TheBeardiestBob> No, because while God is an endpoint, they have corporeal forms that are THEIRS, rather than transitory vessels
  1065. [2011-11-18 21:58:28] <TheBeardiestBob> HUGE difference
  1066. [2011-11-18 21:58:29] <BUTTZ> Bob I can't remember, did we talk about the mutiliation ritual Jesus cooked up?
  1067. [2011-11-18 21:59:00] <MrTT> pfft, yea right... obviously the romans killed him and he put a PR spin on it as "it was my intent all along!"
  1068. [2011-11-18 21:59:02] <TheBeardiestBob> only the 'unnatural' gods get to be so heavy handed in interacting with the world-natural gods have to go with artifacts, contracts, finding some sort of vessel, that sort of thing
  1069. [2011-11-18 21:59:24] <Guile> strength of followers/priests must play a part, or Odin wouldnt be the badass that he is in this Buddhist/Muslim/Judaism/Christian dominated world
  1070. [2011-11-18 21:59:30] =-= Shifter43 is now known as Shifter43TES3
  1071. [2011-11-18 21:59:42] <Arkeus> TheBeardiestBob: but if we got to be a God, wouldn't we be a Natural God?
  1072. [2011-11-18 21:59:48] <BUTTZ> Nah MrTT, I'm talking about the hax way he uses transubstantiation to turn bread and wine to flesh and blood for the purposes of his mutiliation ritual
  1073. [2011-11-18 22:00:03] <Arkeus> OTOH, it would also means we would need to have Divine Energy if we want to have more blank Nodes/etc
  1074. [2011-11-18 22:00:04] <TheBeardiestBob> Well amongst your number are a few who already know that in GfH the Romans claimed the credit for killing Jesus, but it was actually Judas who did the killing-and that said individual's real name was not Judas-and that said individual is still in existence.
  1075. [2011-11-18 22:00:12] <Arkeus> And not a power that is dependant on OTHER
  1076. [2011-11-18 22:00:12] <TheBeardiestBob> Some of you know who this individual is.
  1077. [2011-11-18 22:00:27] <The_MAD_Gambler> ...
  1078. [2011-11-18 22:00:30] <The_MAD_Gambler> Uh-oh.
  1079. [2011-11-18 22:00:33] <Ironybot> When you say that divine energy does not decay- does that imply that a god who is taking in a lot of Belief can "bank" their divine energy, and use it to sustain themselves centuries later after their following amongst mortals has faded? Is that what most gods are up to, these days?
  1080. [2011-11-18 22:00:58] <Arkeus> Ironybot: i'd say they sued it to tie themselves to a portfolio
  1081. [2011-11-18 22:00:59] <TheBeardiestBob> Guile, Odin and the norse gods cheated by finding a way to gimmick people that love war, fighting and violence, irrelevant of religious belief, into being 'believers' insofar as their power goes
  1082. [2011-11-18 22:01:02] <Arkeus> Hence Odin and WAR
  1083. [2011-11-18 22:01:06] <TheBeardiestBob> so yeah you better believe they got power.
  1084. [2011-11-18 22:01:15] <The_MAD_Gambler> Okay, we know this fucker in-game, having interacted with him before, or only from a mention?
  1085. [2011-11-18 22:01:42] <TheBeardiestBob> Correct Ironybot, that's why there's many old, hidden gods-they are the ones who were prudent about putting away belief for hard times BEFORE the hard times hit
  1086. [2011-11-18 22:02:16] <Guile> here's a question, speaking of Buddhism. Buddhas: there's like 32 of them, right? Are they all the same god reincarnating somehow, or are they just a catchall for mortals that achieve godhood? Or some other thing I havent thought of...
  1087. [2011-11-18 22:02:34] <BUTTZ> You know what we have to do if we meet Buddha on the road right?
  1088. [2011-11-18 22:02:36] <Guile> And Bodhisatvas and Saints and things, now I'm wondering about that
  1089. [2011-11-18 22:03:02] <MrTT> you know... armas came to istanbul since he thought it would bet he most magical in the world... yet in the end the most magical place is china...
  1090. [2011-11-18 22:03:11] <MrTT> when armas "defeats" istanbul he should move to china
  1091. [2011-11-18 22:03:18] <Arkeus> lol, 'defeats'
  1092. [2011-11-18 22:03:21] <Ironybot> I don't think he thought it was the most magical in the world, just that it was highly magical.
  1093. [2011-11-18 22:03:23] <The_MAD_Gambler> What we have to do? Why, draw some stuff on it's fingers, just like Sun Wukong!
  1094. [2011-11-18 22:03:25] <Arkeus> and Armas didn't believe it was the MOST magical
  1095. [2011-11-18 22:03:32] <Arkeus> he thought it was a gret place for him to go to
  1096. [2011-11-18 22:03:32] <Ironybot> And that assessment seems to be turning out rather correct.
  1097. [2011-11-18 22:03:35] <Guile> one of the most magical cities, maybe
  1098. [2011-11-18 22:03:39] <Arkeus> China would be... hard.. for a beginnner
  1099. [2011-11-18 22:03:45] <MrTT> yes
  1100. [2011-11-18 22:03:48] <MrTT> its end game content
  1101. [2011-11-18 22:03:52] <Guile> lol
  1102. [2011-11-18 22:03:52] <BUTTZ> A beginner who doesn't speak the language
  1103. [2011-11-18 22:04:01] <Arkeus> and who is a finnish/maori mix
  1104. [2011-11-18 22:04:07] <BUTTZ> And is an utter asshole
  1105. [2011-11-18 22:04:13] <Ironybot> We need to find a Chinese language download somewhere as soon as we get the chance.
  1106. [2011-11-18 22:04:21] <Guile> so theyll just think he's a normal tourist?
  1107. [2011-11-18 22:04:24] <Arkeus> Lo Fang could actually be a GREAT way to hav connections there
  1108. [2011-11-18 22:04:26] <BUTTZ> Maybe we should just try learning it the normal way
  1109. [2011-11-18 22:04:26] <MrTT> china has awesome atmosphere
  1110. [2011-11-18 22:04:28] <MrTT> and sexy ladies
  1111. [2011-11-18 22:04:29] <The_MAD_Gambler> Amen? SM? Lo Fang?
  1112. [2011-11-18 22:05:05] <Guile> everywhere has sexy ladies. even britain.
  1113. [2011-11-18 22:05:10] <Arkeus> Mmmh, so getting to be a God might not be a great idea either
  1114. [2011-11-18 22:05:24] <Arkeus> Too flightly
  1115. [2011-11-18 22:05:29] <BUTTZ> With great power comes great responsibility. Better to trick other people into lending you their power.
  1116. [2011-11-18 22:05:33] <Guile> not when we can stay somehat mortal and suck up soul energy for that non-renewable energy boost
  1117. [2011-11-18 22:05:35] <Ironybot> Ah, that reminds me! Bob, I've been wondering: Does Shadowbro speak Turkish, Italian, and Russian? Or does he merely read our understanding of what is said in those languages from our head after we've mentally translated it into whatever language we think in, which is presumably English?
  1118. [2011-11-18 22:05:37] <BUTTZ> That way they're ultimately responsible.
  1119. [2011-11-18 22:05:46] <Arkeus> TheBeardiestBob: Can we Eat Divine Power via Whaitiri's graft?
  1120. [2011-11-18 22:05:48] <MrTT> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwGbgas8L7Y&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
  1121. [2011-11-18 22:05:49] <Classhole> MrTT: KNIGHTMARE - length 3m 27s - rated 4.93/5.0 (10344) - 1185211 views - CorridorDigital on 2011.09.16
  1122. [2011-11-18 22:05:54] <Arkeus> And use it to empower ourself?
  1123. [2011-11-18 22:07:27] <TheBeardiestBob> Ironybot: Thanks to being a shadow of your soul, SM gets to automatically speak any language you come to understand.
  1124. [2011-11-18 22:07:41] <TheBeardiestBob> this only goes the one way though, since you are the primary soul peace, he the secondary.
  1125. [2011-11-18 22:08:15] <Ironybot> What makes us primary and he the secondary? I thought we had a clean 50/50 spit going on here.
  1126. [2011-11-18 22:08:21] <Ironybot> Ahem, split.
  1127. [2011-11-18 22:08:33] <Guile> we came first
  1128. [2011-11-18 22:08:49] <Guile> I like that, whatever it is, TT
  1129. [2011-11-18 22:08:55] <BUTTZ> He's always defered to us as the elder
  1130. [2011-11-18 22:08:56] <The_MAD_Gambler> Dat forearm slicing
  1131. [2011-11-18 22:09:02] <Ironybot> What do you mean, we came first? We broke ourself in half. His half isn't any younger than ours is, it just got moved around a little.
  1132. [2011-11-18 22:09:07] <TheBeardiestBob> Arkeus: You'd need to physically consume, and BE AWARE you consumed, AND in some way utilize consumed magical energy (KEEP IN MIND THIS IS DIFFERENT FROM THE CONSUMING BLOOD THING MENTIONED PRIOR) from mortal, demonic, angelic and Draconic origins
  1133. [2011-11-18 22:09:10] <The_MAD_Gambler> Dat lightning bolt casting
  1134. [2011-11-18 22:09:21] <Guile> a kind of retarded elder that you worry will become incontinent any day now
  1135. [2011-11-18 22:09:50] <TheBeardiestBob> Ironybot: Because the soul half that is you is in the same place it was when your soul first started to exist-it is SB's soul part that had to be relocated to get it's own identity
  1136. [2011-11-18 22:10:04] <Guile> and then you'll have to hide him when company comes over or he embarrasses you to all your Darkling friends
  1137. [2011-11-18 22:10:34] <Ironybot> Does that imply that if we lose our body at some point, our half of the soul will lose seniority?
  1138. [2011-11-18 22:10:42] <TheBeardiestBob> Yet somehow, when he's being his least insane OR somehow his least SANE, he will randomly pull amazing things out of his ass.
  1139. [2011-11-18 22:10:48] <TheBeardiestBob> ONLY at either extreme will he do this
  1140. [2011-11-18 22:11:16] <TheBeardiestBob> Refuge in psychotic audacity or logically paranoid trolling-those are the only two means by which Armas can be productive
  1141. [2011-11-18 22:11:18] <TheBeardiestBob> or so it seems
  1142. [2011-11-18 22:11:21] <fuogo> Scratch that
  1143. [2011-11-18 22:11:28] <fuogo> I cannot take in black souls and use the for enchanting
  1144. [2011-11-18 22:11:37] <fuogo> Which is lame
  1145. [2011-11-18 22:11:53] <fuogo> What the elf does is remove the limit on being able to tap humans for souls
  1146. [2011-11-18 22:12:36] <Guile> I dont really geddit
  1147. [2011-11-18 22:14:03] <Arkeus> <TheBeardiestBob> Refuge in psychotic audacity or logically paranoid trolling-those are the only two means by which Armas can be productive <= that's why i gave up on dressing Armas normally
  1148. [2011-11-18 22:14:19] <Arkeus> and instead am going for extravagant and SO DAMN FLAMBOYANT MY EYES THEY MELT
  1149. [2011-11-18 22:15:02] <fuogo> Well Armas needs his own style
  1150. [2011-11-18 22:15:09] <Arkeus> he totally does
  1151. [2011-11-18 22:15:11] <Arkeus> oh
  1152. [2011-11-18 22:15:15] <fuogo> Every other PC or former PC covered everything else
  1153. [2011-11-18 22:15:20] <fuogo> Savoy has refined style
  1154. [2011-11-18 22:15:26] <Arkeus> TheBeardiestBob: Did SB get his own understanding of non-magical Kas Pin?
  1155. [2011-11-18 22:15:40] <fuogo> And if we can't be refined we'll take it the entirely opposite direction
  1156. [2011-11-18 22:15:45] <Arkeus> :D
  1157. [2011-11-18 22:16:05] <Arkeus> Btw, we must continue to build relations with go ping
  1158. [2011-11-18 22:16:09] <Arkeus> and learn more and more chakra
  1159. [2011-11-18 22:16:23] <Arkeus> if lo fang were to die, we should help Go Ping inherit the istanbul triad
  1160. [2011-11-18 22:16:30] <Arkeus> And really be a good friend of his
  1161. [2011-11-18 22:16:43] |<-- The_MAD_Gambler has left irc.rizon.net (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
  1162. [2011-11-18 22:17:55] <Guile> So, who's agreeable to the idea of Armas dressing in the traditional outfit of whoever we're going to meet? When we finally meet the Owner, I want to be looking like this: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_g_nHcUCd6z0/R4WJJnS84MI/AAAAAAAAAXQ/bE4VkngjDa8/s320/poiret1911.gif
  1163. [2011-11-18 22:18:24] <Guile> theyre gonna bring in their own guy, Ark- like Rocco
  1164. [2011-11-18 22:18:39] <Arkeus> Guile: unless Go Ping is good enough
  1165. [2011-11-18 22:18:54] <Arkeus> Castelliagti didn't really have anyone who could take up the reigns
  1166. [2011-11-18 22:19:09] <TheBeardiestBob> You know Go Ping is the lowest of Lo Fang's disciples, right?
  1167. [2011-11-18 22:19:15] <Arkeus> TheBeardiestBob: yes
  1168. [2011-11-18 22:19:30] <Arkeus> But he is also the only one we know
  1169. [2011-11-18 22:19:44] <Arkeus> And we have decent relationships with him so far
  1170. [2011-11-18 22:20:22] <Guile> look, I like the guy- and Mai Lee (is it Mai Lee?) laughed at our puns, so that makes her okay in my book. But they're Lo Fang's people, body and soul
  1171. [2011-11-18 22:20:24] <Guile> not ours
  1172. [2011-11-18 22:20:37] <fuogo> May Lee died
  1173. [2011-11-18 22:20:44] <Arkeus> :-(
  1174. [2011-11-18 22:20:51] <Ironybot> I am opposed to Armas changing his clothing in response to whomever he's talking to. That is giving other people too much power over us.
  1175. [2011-11-18 22:20:59] <Arkeus> Guile: That's if Lo Fang dies
  1176. [2011-11-18 22:21:17] <Ironybot> Allowing others to dictate our fashion choices in that manner is unacceptable, and also vulnerable to failure on our part, which would show weakness.
  1177. [2011-11-18 22:21:33] <BUTTZ> Lo Fang ain't gonna die
  1178. [2011-11-18 22:21:35] <Guile> then what was the name of her cousin, the one who's still living?
  1179. [2011-11-18 22:21:42] <BUTTZ> Lo Fang's got wheels within wheels
  1180. [2011-11-18 22:21:50] <BUTTZ> And the wheels are on fire
  1181. [2011-11-18 22:21:58] <fuogo> Something with a D and a Y
  1182. [2011-11-18 22:21:59] <Guile> He does seem pretty unkillable, doesnt he? He did just lose 50 dudes out of 300, though...
  1183. [2011-11-18 22:22:14] <fuogo> The least appreciated Triad
  1184. [2011-11-18 22:22:37] <Arkeus> Heh, Lo Fang is probably going to die
  1185. [2011-11-18 22:22:39] <fuogo> Diao Yuan
  1186. [2011-11-18 22:22:39] <Arkeus> or Armas is
  1187. [2011-11-18 22:22:42] <Arkeus> unless things change
  1188. [2011-11-18 22:22:53] <fuogo> Or something to that effect
  1189. [2011-11-18 22:22:57] <Guile> plenty of Leaping Corpses where those came from, tho
  1190. [2011-11-18 22:23:32] <Guile> and he's storing the souls for SOMETHING...
  1191. [2011-11-18 22:23:48] <fuogo> Oh Bob can you explain the function of leaping corpses? If they are true to myth they derive sustenance from consuming chi, which is essentially soul run off right?
  1192. [2011-11-18 22:23:53] <Guile> I guess that could be where the leaping corpses do come from. "Join the Triad! You will serve... even in death!"
  1193. [2011-11-18 22:24:44] <fuogo> And if they can consume to the point it's fatal they're what? Soul vampires? Able to suck out a soul through the chakras?
  1194. [2011-11-18 22:24:51] <Ironybot> It is remarkable how much control Lo Fang has over his guys, even if it seems like he's pushing the classic sinister asiatic mastermind cult of personality thing pretty hard. They pretty much didn't blink while taking massive losses.
  1195. [2011-11-18 22:25:09] <Arkeus> Yeah
  1196. [2011-11-18 22:25:13] <Arkeus> VERY impressive
  1197. [2011-11-18 22:25:18] <Ironybot> Even if retreating wouldn't have done them any good- they weren't panicking, either.
  1198. [2011-11-18 22:25:19] <Guile> Mafia? They would have broke half an hour ago
  1199. [2011-11-18 22:25:25] <Arkeus> Kinda sad how one of his disciple died, though
  1200. [2011-11-18 22:25:27] <Arkeus> Sadness
  1201. [2011-11-18 22:25:36] <Guile> meh, it was one of the faceless ones
  1202. [2011-11-18 22:25:45] <fuogo> Can't find myself sad for him
  1203. [2011-11-18 22:25:51] <fuogo> Didn't know him
  1204. [2011-11-18 22:25:58] <Ironybot> Can't kill a reaper without losing a few minions. We'll start spending Russian lives once we get into serious heavy ops, too.
  1205. [2011-11-18 22:26:03] <fuogo> Didn't know the dozens or hundreds of other Triads that died
  1206. [2011-11-18 22:26:27] <Guile> That is the purpose of mooks, I'm afraid
  1207. [2011-11-18 22:26:53] <Arkeus> Btw, Folks
  1208. [2011-11-18 22:26:54] <fuogo> Seriously took some heavy losses there
  1209. [2011-11-18 22:27:04] <Guile> Speaking of, we have a Lo Fang voucher for any type of training he can offer - or we could probably redeem it for something kickass smuggled in from out of the country
  1210. [2011-11-18 22:27:04] <fuogo> In just mook power I mean
  1211. [2011-11-18 22:27:08] <Ironybot> The guys at the bottom get to die so that the guy at the top achieves his objective. It's how it works.
  1212. [2011-11-18 22:27:12] <Arkeus> While this is extremely blasphemous, i am thinking of getting soulless practice on souls we find
  1213. [2011-11-18 22:27:22] <Guile> Want that cow that when milked gives you golden mead? Nows the time
  1214. [2011-11-18 22:27:23] <Arkeus> Or on Russians, but that would take.. quite a while
  1215. [2011-11-18 22:27:28] <fuogo> Should take ages to get back to the same capacity.
  1216. [2011-11-18 22:27:30] <Arkeus> and dangerous
  1217. [2011-11-18 22:27:44] <Arkeus> Also, soulless practice should be done on animals first i guess
  1218. [2011-11-18 22:27:47] <fuogo> Unless they just have people waiting in line to join them.
  1219. [2011-11-18 22:27:48] <Ironybot> I would strongly prefer to master arts which are not blasphemous before moving on to the blasphemous ones.
  1220. [2011-11-18 22:27:51] <Arkeus> As doing it on enemy souls is kinda dangerous
  1221. [2011-11-18 22:27:58] <Arkeus> Ironybot: totally agree
  1222. [2011-11-18 22:28:22] <Arkeus> Soulless practice is once we alreayd have gotten REALLY good at soul anyway
  1223. [2011-11-18 22:28:33] <Guile> Oh, mooks get shipped in by the barrel, grail. Lo Fang probably gets a free Taoist with every bulk purchase.
  1224. [2011-11-18 22:28:39] <Arkeus> lol
  1225. [2011-11-18 22:28:57] <Guile> "Buy now- get your Leaping Corpses at half off!"
  1226. [2011-11-18 22:29:04] <fuogo> That doesn't sound very effective
  1227. [2011-11-18 22:29:04] <Arkeus> TheBeardiestBob: is there any reason Go Ping is the weakest of Lo Fang's discipleS?
  1228. [2011-11-18 22:29:06] <fuogo> How big is the barrel?
  1229. [2011-11-18 22:29:08] <Guile> he just started
  1230. [2011-11-18 22:29:21] <Guile> after the Doony fight
  1231. [2011-11-18 22:29:22] <fuogo> Because an average barrel could probably only hold one or two Triad sized mooks
  1232. [2011-11-18 22:29:33] <TheBeardiestBob> Yeah, Go Ping's the most recent of the ex-shaolin guys to get permission for personal training like this.
  1233. [2011-11-18 22:29:34] <Guile> Emela ntounka-sized barrel
  1234. [2011-11-18 22:29:47] <Guile> so Go Ping IS also ex-Shaolin? Nifty
  1235. [2011-11-18 22:29:54] <fuogo> Did the Emela actually get eaten?
  1236. [2011-11-18 22:30:01] <fuogo> Or is it still around somewhere?
  1237. [2011-11-18 22:30:03] <Guile> nah, we got the bonus for bringing it in
  1238. [2011-11-18 22:30:06] <Ironybot> What does a Triad have to do in order to distinguish himself enough that Lo Fang offers them personal training?
  1239. [2011-11-18 22:30:06] <fuogo> Grazing in some field?
  1240. [2011-11-18 22:30:09] <Guile> Oh, you mean eaten by the triad
  1241. [2011-11-18 22:30:10] <fuogo> I know it survived
  1242. [2011-11-18 22:30:24] <fuogo> I'd like to say hello to our old friend one day
  1243. [2011-11-18 22:30:29] <TheBeardiestBob> The Emela Ntounka was actually ordered by the Asitane's Owner
  1244. [2011-11-18 22:30:36] <TheBeardiestBob> wanted some exotic food for a snack
  1245. [2011-11-18 22:30:38] <fuogo> Poor bessy
  1246. [2011-11-18 22:30:43] <Arkeus> ahah
  1247. [2011-11-18 22:30:48] <Guile> Well, apparently distinguishing oneself in a fight with a Doonongaes counts
  1248. [2011-11-18 22:30:48] <fuogo> We hardly new ye
  1249. [2011-11-18 22:30:51] <MrTT> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KMD_gRXIHU&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
  1250. [2011-11-18 22:30:53] <Classhole> MrTT: Angry Barrels! (Angry Birds real life) - length 1m 35s - rated 4.94/5.0 (19028) - 2048264 views - CorridorDigital on 2011.04.08
  1251. [2011-11-18 22:30:55] <Guile> basically: anything that impresses the bossman
  1252. [2011-11-18 22:31:00] <Arkeus> Guile: i think it was a series of things
  1253. [2011-11-18 22:31:07] <Arkeus> and the Doonegas fight just the latest
  1254. [2011-11-18 22:31:32] <TheBeardiestBob> Ironybot: You have to, in the process of satisfactorily accomplishing whatever job was given to you, do something that benefits Lo Fang and the Triads (in that order) more than once, without a fuckup in between.
  1255. [2011-11-18 22:31:47] <TheBeardiestBob> Basically, prove you are a go-getter, and that your GREAT SUCCESS was not a fluke
  1256. [2011-11-18 22:31:50] <TheBeardiestBob> that's about it really.
  1257. [2011-11-18 22:32:11] <Ironybot> Hmm. That standard seems reasonable enough.
  1258. [2011-11-18 22:32:32] <fuogo> I still want to know about the person that wronged Lo Fang enough and is powerful enough that Go Ping fears Lo Fang might never get his vengeance.
  1259. [2011-11-18 22:32:45] <Guile> Long Wang isnt a disciple, right? He wasnt pulling out crazy martial arts shenanigans, even if Lo Fang brought him in special
  1260. [2011-11-18 22:32:55] <Guile> I dont remember that part, grail
  1261. [2011-11-18 22:33:07] <Ironybot> I like the way that Lo Fang rewards people for power with competence, and Armas is just planning to throw every power boosting modification and equipment he can get on people who are basically just random mooks who tried to kill him, in exchange for nothing more than their verbal agreement to work for him.
  1262. [2011-11-18 22:33:10] <Arkeus> Guile: Go Ping's secret
  1263. [2011-11-18 22:33:17] <fuogo> I remember vaguely Go Ping telling us his biggest secret.
  1264. [2011-11-18 22:33:23] <Ironybot> It is a colorful and apt demonstration of the difference in our philosophies.
  1265. [2011-11-18 22:33:28] <fuogo> Are we planning that?
  1266. [2011-11-18 22:33:31] <Arkeus> fuogo: not biggest
  1267. [2011-11-18 22:33:39] <Arkeus> it's the secret he used in cse of encantado
  1268. [2011-11-18 22:33:43] <Guile> Yes, irony. and I dont really like what it says about us.
  1269. [2011-11-18 22:33:48] <fuogo> I mean we have designs drawn up for ways we can empower them in a cheap fashion
  1270. [2011-11-18 22:33:52] <Arkeus> We aren't planning that, really
  1271. [2011-11-18 22:34:03] <Arkeus> We are planning to give them a chance to learn stuff
  1272. [2011-11-18 22:34:08] <Ironybot> I transposed a couple words there. Damn.
  1273. [2011-11-18 22:34:20] <Arkeus> And they aren't mooks at all
  1274. [2011-11-18 22:34:27] <Arkeus> some of them have mental traits level 4
  1275. [2011-11-18 22:34:31] <Arkeus> Which is pretty damn good
  1276. [2011-11-18 22:34:36] <fuogo> Which one?
  1277. [2011-11-18 22:34:41] <Arkeus> some of them
  1278. [2011-11-18 22:34:42] <Ironybot> Don't kid yourself. They're just slightly higher tier mooks.
  1279. [2011-11-18 22:34:44] <Arkeus> don't know which
  1280. [2011-11-18 22:34:47] <Ironybot> Mook+.
  1281. [2011-11-18 22:35:03] <fuogo> Some them may even survive long enough to become Elite mooks
  1282. [2011-11-18 22:35:39] <Arkeus> They'll probably become quite strong
  1283. [2011-11-18 22:35:56] <Arkeus> Chakra isn't bad at all if they get awesome at it
  1284. [2011-11-18 22:36:09] <Ironybot> Anyway- a chance to learn stuff? We're planning to make expensive specialist weapon toys standard issue when we can afford it, we're going to pop open their chakras, train them to use them, and maybe even modify their souls to boost power access, we've already made magical mental enhancement standard at least when it comes to languages, and we've got a laundry list of other potential ways to...
  1285. [2011-11-18 22:36:09] <Ironybot> ...get them elite training and modification.
  1286. [2011-11-18 22:36:11] <Arkeus> And if we get good enough, we can improve them via spirit animal
  1287. [2011-11-18 22:36:25] <Arkeus> and if we get extremely awesome, we can mdoify their souls for soul practice
  1288. [2011-11-18 22:36:40] <BUTTZ> The ironwood/silver staves?
  1289. [2011-11-18 22:36:54] <Arkeus> I still think getting the Gauntlet would have been better
  1290. [2011-11-18 22:36:59] <Arkeus> Oh well
  1291. [2011-11-18 22:37:02] <fuogo> What's the expensive specialist toys?
  1292. [2011-11-18 22:37:11] <Guile> Theyre not gonna get to Lo Fang Disciple level any time soon
  1293. [2011-11-18 22:37:18] <Arkeus> Not Soon
  1294. [2011-11-18 22:37:28] <fuogo> Because the staffs are relatively cheap
  1295. [2011-11-18 22:37:35] <fuogo> And certainly not specialist
  1296. [2011-11-18 22:37:41] <Guile> Dude, we are NOT giving them spirit animals. Those are stupid expensive and rare.
  1297. [2011-11-18 22:38:04] <Ironybot> They might, depending upon how good those disciples actually are. A big part of their prowess in the recent battle came from booster charms.
  1298. [2011-11-18 22:38:05] <Arkeus> Guile: Dpending on what we do, they might not be
  1299. [2011-11-18 22:38:28] <Arkeus> Getting spirit animals that we don't want to get ourself might not be that hard
  1300. [2011-11-18 22:38:31] <Arkeus> nor expensive
  1301. [2011-11-18 22:38:31] <Ironybot> Booster charms which we will be able to learn how to make, as Lo Fang has offered us tutelage.
  1302. [2011-11-18 22:38:32] <Arkeus> depending
  1303. [2011-11-18 22:38:59] <Arkeus> I really want to learn charms like those lightining-charm to prevent damage from thinking too swiftly
  1304. [2011-11-18 22:39:21] <fuogo> Are we in danger of that now?
  1305. [2011-11-18 22:39:30] <Arkeus> For a while yes
  1306. [2011-11-18 22:39:35] <Ironybot> Those were the Reaper's. Don't think we'll be learning that. We might be able to buy it from the goblins, I suppose.
  1307. [2011-11-18 22:39:43] <Arkeus> Now there are a couple of hints per update that it has begun
  1308. [2011-11-18 22:40:18] <fuogo> Is this verified?
  1309. [2011-11-18 22:40:27] <Arkeus> Well, Armas thinks so
  1310. [2011-11-18 22:40:32] <Arkeus> No idea hwo true it is
  1311. [2011-11-18 22:40:32] <Guile> And we're going to find souled animals on the cheap where, exactly?
  1312. [2011-11-18 22:40:41] <fuogo> He thinks he's slowly becoming superhuman
  1313. [2011-11-18 22:40:44] <fuogo> Which he is
  1314. [2011-11-18 22:40:47] <Arkeus> Guile: depends on what we decide
  1315. [2011-11-18 22:40:50] <Arkeus> a sec
  1316. [2011-11-18 22:41:07] <fuogo> But I don't imagine at the rate he'll be thinking so quickly he'll need to shield himself from brain damage
  1317. [2011-11-18 22:41:37] <Arkeus> My eye darts back down to Iron Trick, with me increasingly thankful that whatever headaches may come from my frequent mental communication, the accelerated cogitation does seem to be building me an impressive resilience to motion blur. <= we ahve begun to get headaches
  1318. [2011-11-18 22:41:44] <Arkeus> So, yes
  1319. [2011-11-18 22:41:48] <Arkeus> We already got brain damages
  1320. [2011-11-18 22:41:51] <Arkeus> Slight so far
  1321. [2011-11-18 22:41:55] <Arkeus> But it's beginning
  1322. [2011-11-18 22:41:55] <fuogo> Which we heal naturally
  1323. [2011-11-18 22:42:04] <Arkeus> Yes, hence Beginning
  1324. [2011-11-18 22:42:16] <MrTT> so, bob. what does it mean to be a werewolf in GFH?
  1325. [2011-11-18 22:42:26] <MrTT> lammy seems to transform at will
  1326. [2011-11-18 22:42:32] <MrTT> and selectively kills enemies and not friends
  1327. [2011-11-18 22:42:32] <Arkeus> Loup Garou
  1328. [2011-11-18 22:42:34] <Arkeus> damn cheater
  1329. [2011-11-18 22:42:36] <Arkeus> :-(
  1330. [2011-11-18 22:42:43] <MrTT> IIRC loup garou are a type of werewolf
  1331. [2011-11-18 22:42:48] <MrTT> modified from baseline by a god
  1332. [2011-11-18 22:43:03] <Ironybot> Labombard is basically what werewolves would be if they didn't suck until they get old, as I understand it.
  1333. [2011-11-18 22:43:17] <Ironybot> That might admittedly be overstating the matter.
  1334. [2011-11-18 22:43:20] <ManOfTroy> Hot -damn-.
  1335. [2011-11-18 22:43:40] <Arkeus> ManOfTroy: mmh?
  1336. [2011-11-18 22:43:53] <Guile> thats about right Irony. Just with a higher chance of insanity sooner rather than later
  1337. [2011-11-18 22:44:00] <Guile> Rage fragment in em from birth, and all
  1338. [2011-11-18 22:44:31] <Arkeus> And, Guile, about spirit animal
  1339. [2011-11-18 22:44:39] <Guile> you dont think Armas meant 'headaches' as in 'annoyances'
  1340. [2011-11-18 22:44:40] <Guile> ?
  1341. [2011-11-18 22:44:53] <Arkeus> If we decide to go Border, we could get any dead souls of animals around that aren't completely eaten by nevernever
  1342. [2011-11-18 22:45:06] <Arkeus> given it takes a few months to do so if they don't die in the lgiht...
  1343. [2011-11-18 22:45:15] <Arkeus> We should be able to find some
  1344. [2011-11-18 22:45:20] <Guile> all the many souled animals in the city of Istanbul? Will we be raiding the aquariums and zoos?
  1345. [2011-11-18 22:45:22] <Arkeus> Maybe only crap ones
  1346. [2011-11-18 22:45:29] <Guile> maybe some kickass rats
  1347. [2011-11-18 22:45:34] <Arkeus> Guile: nevenever
  1348. [2011-11-18 22:45:38] <Arkeus> No need to move, i think
  1349. [2011-11-18 22:45:39] <Guile> we could name our faction the Rat Kings
  1350. [2011-11-18 22:45:42] <Arkeus> :D
  1351. [2011-11-18 22:45:46] <Arkeus> Indeed
  1352. [2011-11-18 22:45:51] <Arkeus> It doesn't matter if they are crappy
  1353. [2011-11-18 22:46:11] <fuogo> I wonder what a pigeon spirit animal does
  1354. [2011-11-18 22:46:23] <Guile> all hail Rattenkonig! http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e5/Der_rattenkonig.jpg/220px-Der_rattenkonig.jpg
  1355. [2011-11-18 22:46:24] <Arkeus> Opposite of stealth
  1356. [2011-11-18 22:46:27] <Arkeus> everyone wants to kill them
  1357. [2011-11-18 22:46:28] <Arkeus> :p
  1358. [2011-11-18 22:46:39] <Guile> Manifest a pidgeon the size of an eagle with glowing golden eyes. I could dig it.
  1359. [2011-11-18 22:46:44] <Guile> Crappy, indeed
  1360. [2011-11-18 22:46:53] <Guile> It could take out a car mid-flight
  1361. [2011-11-18 22:46:53] <Ironybot> It lends a coo of doom to the user.
  1362. [2011-11-18 22:47:14] <MrTT> we can claim souls at range, and we can just buy a ticket to the aquarium/zoo
  1363. [2011-11-18 22:47:17] <MrTT> don't need to raid it
  1364. [2011-11-18 22:47:23] <MrTT> since noone can see us taking the animal soul
  1365. [2011-11-18 22:47:24] <fuogo> Pandas must be crappy spirit animals
  1366. [2011-11-18 22:47:28] <MrTT> and if they do, its not a problem
  1367. [2011-11-18 22:47:32] <Ironybot> Just buy a ticket and... tear the souls out of their animals?
  1368. [2011-11-18 22:47:44] <Ironybot> Then stroll off whistling a cheery tune?
  1369. [2011-11-18 22:47:45] <MrTT> no
  1370. [2011-11-18 22:47:47] <Arkeus> lol
  1371. [2011-11-18 22:47:56] <MrTT> we said "already dead but lingering"
  1372. [2011-11-18 22:48:00] <MrTT> i didn't say kill them
  1373. [2011-11-18 22:48:13] <fuogo> Armas scans the local papers for stories about sick zoo animals
  1374. [2011-11-18 22:48:15] <Ironybot> There aren't going to be dead but lingering souls around. They'll be exposed to sunlight and gone.
  1375. [2011-11-18 22:48:31] <MrTT> how about artificial light?
  1376. [2011-11-18 22:48:36] <MrTT> indoors
  1377. [2011-11-18 22:48:37] <MrTT> snakes
  1378. [2011-11-18 22:48:38] <TheBeardiestBob> ...Well huh
  1379. [2011-11-18 22:48:38] <Arkeus> Ironybot: if they don't die in direct sunlight, they usually linger a few months
  1380. [2011-11-18 22:48:44] <Arkeus> before getting eaten by nevernever
  1381. [2011-11-18 22:48:52] <Guile> that was a joke, TT - no animal born in captivity is going to have a soul. No challenge.
  1382. [2011-11-18 22:49:00] <TheBeardiestBob> Big Crazy just interacted with Tesla's ghost-or will, once I script up their update for them.
  1383. [2011-11-18 22:49:06] <Arkeus> that gives us enough aniaml souls in turkey we could get via sami/romanov/x
  1384. [2011-11-18 22:49:10] <Ironybot> Awesome.
  1385. [2011-11-18 22:49:13] <TheBeardiestBob> I was SURE Camella would interact with Tesla first.
  1386. [2011-11-18 22:49:20] <Arkeus> FUCK
  1387. [2011-11-18 22:49:21] <MrTT> hot damn
  1388. [2011-11-18 22:49:23] <Arkeus> Nice
  1389. [2011-11-18 22:49:27] <Arkeus> Really, really nice
  1390. [2011-11-18 22:49:33] <fuogo> I take it we were last?
  1391. [2011-11-18 22:49:47] <Ironybot> Armas is tied up in so much other shit I don't even know how he'd run into Tesla.
  1392. [2011-11-18 22:49:51] <Guile> Makes you wonder what Big's doing thats interesting enough to attract the uber-entity of intellect
  1393. [2011-11-18 22:49:58] <fuogo> By doing his other shit
  1394. [2011-11-18 22:50:00] * Gun|AFK returns.
  1395. [2011-11-18 22:50:06] =-= Gun|AFK is now known as Gunpowder_Symphony
  1396. [2011-11-18 22:50:16] <fuogo> We always run into something while intending to do something else entirely
  1397. [2011-11-18 22:50:20] <Gunpowder_Symphony> Yo Bob, did you catch my question from earlier?
  1398. [2011-11-18 22:50:33] <fuogo> I'm surprised we haven't run into Santa
  1399. [2011-11-18 22:50:45] <Guile> true. try to find ramidreju, find dragon. so logically, try to find dragon, find Tesla. Or as I shall refer to him from now on, TESLA
  1400. [2011-11-18 22:50:53] <Arkeus> We would if someone posted the 36666
  1401. [2011-11-18 22:50:54] <Guile> Maybe next christmas, fuogo
  1402. [2011-11-18 22:51:06] <fuogo> I bet we missed a special encounter
  1403. [2011-11-18 22:51:09] <fuogo> By not giving out gifts
  1404. [2011-11-18 22:51:19] <Arkeus> btw
  1405. [2011-11-18 22:51:25] <Guile> That woulda been cool. "Yo, Santa." "Sup?"
  1406. [2011-11-18 22:51:32] <Arkeus> TheBeardiestBob: where does that idea that animal with souls gain them later in life come from?
  1407. [2011-11-18 22:51:33] <Ironybot> Anyway, spirit animal plans. I still favor manufacture by buying like a thousand copies of the mundane animal, then throwing them into a form of captivity designed to kill most of them off unless they're totally hardcore.
  1408. [2011-11-18 22:51:34] <TheBeardiestBob> Gun no I did not
  1409. [2011-11-18 22:51:40] <fuogo> The trollishness and jolliness of our Christmas spirit would beacon old Saint Nick down to us.
  1410. [2011-11-18 22:51:41] <Gunpowder_Symphony> [21:50] <Gunpowder_Symphony> Hey Bob, question for ya. With the list being apparently filled out, what's gonna happen with my theoretical Russian?
  1411. [2011-11-18 22:51:42] <Guile> "Mighty fine Krampus you have there." "I like Amen too."
  1412. [2011-11-18 22:51:54] <Ironybot> Admittedly it will require money, but it would let us standardize if we can get the operation running.
  1413. [2011-11-18 22:52:18] <fuogo> Armas is Micheal Vick on crack
  1414. [2011-11-18 22:52:21] <Arkeus> Ironybot: i think it would be faster to just go and take dead souls of animal around turkey if we get good enough
  1415. [2011-11-18 22:52:22] <Guile> Thats not bad Irony
  1416. [2011-11-18 22:52:32] <Arkeus> Also, Hydra Souls
  1417. [2011-11-18 22:52:35] <Arkeus> damn easy to have
  1418. [2011-11-18 22:52:38] <TheBeardiestBob> I haven't looked at /disc/ in a while, so hopefully some intrepid poster will compile a current list, complete with what overlaps exist if any, of the russians and players that want them so I can iron that out tomorrow while making that morning update (that does mean two update tomorrow)
  1419. [2011-11-18 22:52:45] <Guile> What's cheap... guinea pigs? We train hardcore guinea pigs.
  1420. [2011-11-18 22:52:48] <fuogo> MrTT updated our list
  1421. [2011-11-18 22:52:53] <Arkeus> yeah, last post in Disc
  1422. [2011-11-18 22:52:56] <Gunpowder_Symphony> Alrighty.
  1423. [2011-11-18 22:52:58] <Guile> Somebody has that list, posted it on irc the other day
  1424. [2011-11-18 22:53:19] <Ironybot> It would require a huge amount of personal attention and time to go spirit animal hunting on our own. Once we have a spirit animal manufacturing operation going, we can rely almost entirely on minions to run it for us.
  1425. [2011-11-18 22:53:33] <Ironybot> Plus it could be an income source if output is high enough.
  1426. [2011-11-18 22:53:42] <Arkeus> Ironybot: i don't think we would need to go hunting
  1427. [2011-11-18 22:53:48] <Arkeus> We would need to meditatze a bit
  1428. [2011-11-18 22:53:53] <Guile> Camella: "Armas, WHY... are you buying guinea pigs in bulk?" Armas, carrying a sack of 300 guinea pigs: "Guinea pig fights. Next big thing."
  1429. [2011-11-18 22:53:58] <Arkeus> 'oooh, is there any dead animal souls this hundred miles?'
  1430. [2011-11-18 22:53:59] <TheBeardiestBob> Ironybot's plan is yet another example of why it's so, so much easier to gain power/resources by being amoral and unflinchingly evil by standard social definition
  1431. [2011-11-18 22:54:07] <Arkeus> TheBeardiestBob: shh :-(
  1432. [2011-11-18 22:54:19] <TheBeardiestBob> in GfH, at least
  1433. [2011-11-18 22:54:24] <Arkeus> Y_Y
  1434. [2011-11-18 22:54:27] <Ironybot> Animal cruelty is morally okay, just ask any large corporation in the real world.
  1435. [2011-11-18 22:54:29] <TheBeardiestBob> I will not authoritatively make that assertion about real life.
  1436. [2011-11-18 22:54:30] <Guile> I imagine it holds true for this world, too
  1437. [2011-11-18 22:54:31] <Gunpowder_Symphony> And now all I can think of is
  1438. [2011-11-18 22:54:32] <Gunpowder_Symphony> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/deathscythe_1989/Blog%20images/HamsterFighter.jpg
  1439. [2011-11-18 22:54:42] <TheBeardiestBob> I only know that works in specific fields-I merely suspect it to work in all.
  1440. [2011-11-18 22:54:47] <Arkeus> TheBeardiestBob: So, Animal can spontaneously gain souls if we are hardcore enough on them?
  1441. [2011-11-18 22:55:34] <Arkeus> Honestly, so far Hydra spirit animals seems like the easiest to mass-produce
  1442. [2011-11-18 22:55:39] <Arkeus> but i am sure there is a catch
  1443. [2011-11-18 22:55:46] <TheBeardiestBob> Well a nonsouled living thing developes a soul when their consciousness collects enough weight of experience that it needs to transition into a soul to even support it all.
  1444. [2011-11-18 22:55:50] <TheBeardiestBob> so yeah, actually
  1445. [2011-11-18 22:55:56] <Guile> Everything these guys put out is crazy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=iv&src_vid=_jVyneGp990&annotation_id=annotation_356387&v=NTq2WQnzlBA
  1446. [2011-11-18 22:55:56] <Classhole> Guile: Adventure Time! - length 1m 41s - rated 4.74/5.0 (14846) - 1083502 views - CorridorDigital on 2011.09.02
  1447. [2011-11-18 22:55:58] <Arkeus> Heh, interesting
  1448. [2011-11-18 22:56:01] <Ironybot> As I understand it, Hydra spirit animals aren't easy for normal people's souls to support.
  1449. [2011-11-18 22:56:02] <Captain-Lightning> Speaking of which
  1450. [2011-11-18 22:56:03] <TheBeardiestBob> Hydras are a BITCH to maintain population on
  1451. [2011-11-18 22:56:06] <Captain-Lightning> Time to go play more Skyrim
  1452. [2011-11-18 22:56:07] <ManOfTroy> Ah, knifehamster.
  1453. [2011-11-18 22:56:11] <ManOfTroy> I love that picture.
  1454. [2011-11-18 22:56:15] <Gunpowder_Symphony> Me too.
  1455. [2011-11-18 22:56:19] <Arkeus> TheBeardiestBob: in the sense, TOO MANY?
  1456. [2011-11-18 22:56:23] <Guile> I dont think hydra souls regenerate like you think they do, Ark
  1457. [2011-11-18 22:56:31] <Arkeus> Guile: they duplicate
  1458. [2011-11-18 22:56:36] <Guile> the bodies do
  1459. [2011-11-18 22:56:38] <Arkeus> we know they do, as BC is doing that
  1460. [2011-11-18 22:56:40] <TheBeardiestBob> like, trying to remove a million flies from a massive warehouse, it's just you, and you have chopsticks and nothing else. The flies can freely reproduce as you claim them
  1461. [2011-11-18 22:56:46] <TheBeardiestBob> also all the flies now no longer die of old age
  1462. [2011-11-18 22:56:52] <Arkeus> ehheeh
  1463. [2011-11-18 22:57:00] <Arkeus> that's why we just leave them as spirit animals
  1464. [2011-11-18 22:57:07] <ManOfTroy> I suggest our Spirit Animal should be these flies.
  1465. [2011-11-18 22:57:09] <Guile> So yet another way we could cause the doom of all things
  1466. [2011-11-18 22:57:13] <TheBeardiestBob> ...You aren't grasping the problem here Arkeus.
  1467. [2011-11-18 22:57:14] <Arkeus> and when we need a new one, we rez Armas' Adult Hydra spirit animal
  1468. [2011-11-18 22:57:14] <ManOfTroy> Becaus honly -shit- that's powerful.
  1469. [2011-11-18 22:57:19] <Arkeus> And kill it
  1470. [2011-11-18 22:57:22] <TheBeardiestBob> To make them HAVE souls, you need to forcibly give them experience
  1471. [2011-11-18 22:57:24] <Arkeus> for a new one, and itself
  1472. [2011-11-18 22:57:30] <Arkeus> Ahhhh
  1473. [2011-11-18 22:57:34] <TheBeardiestBob> to get the appropriate experience, they need harrowing challenges to survive
  1474. [2011-11-18 22:57:37] <Arkeus> They don't have souls from the start
  1475. [2011-11-18 22:57:41] <Arkeus> interesting
  1476. [2011-11-18 22:57:43] <fuogo> So what prevents Hydras from over multiplying on a global level?
  1477. [2011-11-18 22:57:46] <TheBeardiestBob> to have that, they need something that they can't just om nom and forget
  1478. [2011-11-18 22:57:46] <Arkeus> Yeah, i can see that
  1479. [2011-11-18 22:57:56] <Arkeus> BC must have fun
  1480. [2011-11-18 22:57:59] <fuogo> Do they have some sort of natural predator?
  1481. [2011-11-18 22:58:01] <fuogo> Specific diet?
  1482. [2011-11-18 22:58:10] <Gunpowder_Symphony> ...Oh god, pokeymans.
  1483. [2011-11-18 22:58:11] <Arkeus> fuogo: Armas nomming them
  1484. [2011-11-18 22:58:17] <Guile> I'm envisioning BC and the Hydra in a pit, while Markku shouts encouraging things from above
  1485. [2011-11-18 22:58:18] <TheBeardiestBob> The fact that to even own one you need to declare it to the Ruling Dragon of whatever country you're in, and as needed when moving it across borders
  1486. [2011-11-18 22:58:44] <Arkeus> TheBeardiestBob: even if it's a spirit animal?
  1487. [2011-11-18 22:58:49] <Arkeus> As in, will BC need to declare it?
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  1489. [2011-11-18 22:58:58] <Ironybot> Spirit animals aren't really animals anymore.
  1490. [2011-11-18 22:59:05] <fuogo> Can he suddenly sprout new hims?
  1491. [2011-11-18 22:59:12] <TheBeardiestBob> that's the problem-they have a can eat any organic material, period, and harmlessly excrete unprocessed inorganics, and no that's Hydras, not Hyrda SOULS you have to decale
  1492. [2011-11-18 22:59:12] <Arkeus> hims?
  1493. [2011-11-18 22:59:14] * Gunpowder_Symphony consumes delicious black pepper doritos.
  1494. [2011-11-18 22:59:15] <TheBeardiestBob> declare
  1495. [2011-11-18 22:59:25] <Ironybot> Your spirit hydra isn't going to be multiplying rampantly all over the place, after all.
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  1497. [2011-11-18 22:59:31] <TheBeardiestBob> BC's talked with Markku quite a bit
  1498. [2011-11-18 22:59:33] =-= Guile is now known as Golemon
  1499. [2011-11-18 22:59:34] <Arkeus> Ironybot: unless we rez it
  1500. [2011-11-18 22:59:53] <Ironybot> We are not going to resurrect someone else's spirit animal. That would be exceedingly rude.
  1501. [2011-11-18 23:00:01] <Arkeus> Ironybot: we can rez OURS
  1502. [2011-11-18 23:00:06] <TheBeardiestBob> and descided a Restricted use would be best, one with two uses, to tie it better to his now externally housed prior two spirit animals
  1503. [2011-11-18 23:00:08] <Golemon> ... maybe
  1504. [2011-11-18 23:00:23] <Arkeus> TheBeardiestBob: interesting
  1505. [2011-11-18 23:00:29] <fuogo> I am looking forward to seeing the Laibs trick that allows spirit animals to inhabit their corpses or whatever it does.
  1506. [2011-11-18 23:00:33] <Arkeus> One of the two uses being regeneration?
  1507. [2011-11-18 23:00:37] <Arkeus> What level? 6?
  1508. [2011-11-18 23:00:40] <TheBeardiestBob> And able to be hybridized manually with Little Bear and Dirt Snake
  1509. [2011-11-18 23:00:51] <Arkeus> Very, very nice
  1510. [2011-11-18 23:00:57] <Arkeus> Quite a level up there
  1511. [2011-11-18 23:01:00] <TheBeardiestBob> no Arkeus, not... physical regeneration, no sire.
  1512. [2011-11-18 23:01:02] <TheBeardiestBob> sir
  1513. [2011-11-18 23:01:06] <TheBeardiestBob> I meant to be condescending
  1514. [2011-11-18 23:01:26] <TheBeardiestBob> and my misspelling pushed me PAST my chosen level of sarcasm
  1515. [2011-11-18 23:01:29] <TheBeardiestBob> I am perturbed
  1516. [2011-11-18 23:01:31] <Arkeus> ahah
  1517. [2011-11-18 23:01:49] <Arkeus> Well, i have no clue what you meant by your condescension
  1518. [2011-11-18 23:01:58] <Arkeus> And pretty sure you won't explain either
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  1520. [2011-11-18 23:02:28] <Golemon> I bet thats the TESLA connection. TESLA's mighty brain supports PETA, dislikes cruelty towards imaginary animals
  1521. [2011-11-18 23:02:34] <Arkeus> lol
  1522. [2011-11-18 23:02:49] <Arkeus> Hybdization with Little Bear/Dirt Snake...
  1523. [2011-11-18 23:02:58] <Arkeus> I wonder what it can do...
  1524. [2011-11-18 23:03:07] <fuogo> Dance
  1525. [2011-11-18 23:03:16] <Arkeus> Dirt Snake eats what it sees?
  1526. [2011-11-18 23:03:17] <Arkeus> lol
  1527. [2011-11-18 23:03:20] <BUTTZ> Tesla was sorta crazy
  1528. [2011-11-18 23:03:26] <fuogo> Sort of?
  1529. [2011-11-18 23:03:32] <Golemon> Hydra with bear heads?
  1530. [2011-11-18 23:03:32] <BUTTZ> Well he was right a lot of the time
  1531. [2011-11-18 23:03:50] <Golemon> Hydra made of bears, like Voltron
  1532. [2011-11-18 23:03:53] <fuogo> That he was, but he has some pretty intense OCD
  1533. [2011-11-18 23:04:03] <Golemon> oh sure, brilliant man. totally nuts, though
  1534. [2011-11-18 23:04:12] <fuogo> Yes, that
  1535. [2011-11-18 23:04:27] <Gunpowder_Symphony> Probably because it is hard for one single man to contain so much SCIENCE!
  1536. [2011-11-18 23:04:51] -->| Deadbeard (~chatzilla@Rizon-77BBC8FC.dyn.centurytel.net) has joined #golemquest
  1537. [2011-11-18 23:04:54] <Arkeus> :-)
  1538. [2011-11-18 23:04:56] <Arkeus> SCIENCE
  1539. [2011-11-18 23:05:15] <fuogo> It'll be fun when Big gets back
  1540. [2011-11-18 23:05:16] <Arkeus> But, yeah, can someone explain what bob meant?
  1541. [2011-11-18 23:05:24] <BUTTZ> Meant?
  1542. [2011-11-18 23:05:28] <Arkeus> His regeneration would be msotly spiritual?
  1543. [2011-11-18 23:05:33] <Golemon> no idea
  1544. [2011-11-18 23:05:36] <Arkeus> <TheBeardiestBob> no Arkeus, not... physical regeneration, no sire. <= this
  1545. [2011-11-18 23:05:37] <fuogo> We can try to top each others' stories.
  1546. [2011-11-18 23:05:50] <fuogo> "I met Tesla"
  1547. [2011-11-18 23:06:14] <Ironybot> If one of the things Big Crazy is using the hydra for is a spirit attack dog... that could be pretty terrifying. He said that a predator spirit animal can give you the ability to carve up others' souls, right? I'm envisioning handfuls of soul attacks at once.
  1548. [2011-11-18 23:06:17] <fuogo> "Oh yeah, well I took off half of Blackbeard's charms, dropped a building on him, and got some terrifying creatures to hunt him."
  1549. [2011-11-18 23:06:42] <Gunpowder_Symphony> "And that was just the start of the day!"
  1550. [2011-11-18 23:06:44] <TheBeardiestBob> "I knocked Markku off his feet before I left.'
  1551. [2011-11-18 23:06:46] <Ironybot> Also, if hydras can eat anything and grow from it, he could be copycatting our "I devour all" trick.
  1552. [2011-11-18 23:06:51] <Gunpowder_Symphony> ...o rly
  1553. [2011-11-18 23:06:55] <TheBeardiestBob> Top THAT one in BC's repetoire
  1554. [2011-11-18 23:06:56] <Gunpowder_Symphony> Props to the big guy then.
  1555. [2011-11-18 23:07:04] <Gunpowder_Symphony> Also, CANCER BREAK
  1556. [2011-11-18 23:07:11] <fuogo> I survived a dragon
  1557. [2011-11-18 23:07:21] <fuogo> And a Devil
  1558. [2011-11-18 23:07:27] <Golemon> I thought he was just using hydra as a regeneration button. good on him.
  1559. [2011-11-18 23:07:34] <ManOfTroy> Fuogo.
  1560. [2011-11-18 23:07:43] <Ironybot> "I dragon blasted me in half, and I stood up and chatted politely for a while before walking away."
  1561. [2011-11-18 23:07:45] <Golemon> why does all BC's awesomeness happen off-camera in GFH?
  1562. [2011-11-18 23:07:45] <ManOfTroy> that doesn't top 'I knocked Markku off his feet'
  1563. [2011-11-18 23:07:49] <TheBeardiestBob> "I survive a constantly regenerating, raging hydra chunk in my gut every day."
  1564. [2011-11-18 23:08:04] <ManOfTroy> Same reason as Bob is teasing them with oru awesomeness.
  1565. [2011-11-18 23:08:07] <Golemon> I survived drinking with 20 russians?
  1566. [2011-11-18 23:08:15] <fuogo> I essentially killed TWO reapers
  1567. [2011-11-18 23:08:16] <ManOfTroy> Ok, Shadowbro and Sake's awesome, but still
  1568. [2011-11-18 23:08:21] <TheBeardiestBob> "I survived drinking with Markku and Tartalo."
  1569. [2011-11-18 23:08:32] <fuogo> Does that top two Reapers?
  1570. [2011-11-18 23:08:35] <TheBeardiestBob> "And remember it."
  1571. [2011-11-18 23:08:39] <Golemon> I was nearby while my shadow and pet killed two reapers!
  1572. [2011-11-18 23:08:46] <fuogo> I mean Big does have a disadvantage if Wuten is to be believed
  1573. [2011-11-18 23:08:55] <fuogo> But still
  1574. [2011-11-18 23:08:55] <ManOfTroy> 'I have Falcon, Al, ManOfTroy, and Gunpowder giving me Ideas and Wut rolls my dice.'
  1575. [2011-11-18 23:09:02] <ManOfTroy> '
  1576. [2011-11-18 23:09:08] <ManOfTroy> 'And I'm still alive'.
  1577. [2011-11-18 23:09:09] <Golemon> is Wuten to be believed?
  1578. [2011-11-18 23:09:25] <Golemon> and only missing a few chunks of soul. And some brain cells.
  1579. [2011-11-18 23:09:36] <Arkeus> <TheBeardiestBob> "I knocked Markku off his feet before I left.' <= and, fuck
  1580. [2011-11-18 23:09:41] <Arkeus> Armas is once again weaksauce
  1581. [2011-11-18 23:09:52] <Golemon> ah, situation normal
  1582. [2011-11-18 23:09:56] <Ironybot> "I killed three different guys, then chatted with them for a while and parted on good terms." Not quite as overtly impressive, but it's the kind of thing not that many can claim.
  1583. [2011-11-18 23:10:15] <ManOfTroy> Armas not being weaksause. would be scary.
  1584. [2011-11-18 23:10:22] <Golemon> I had the feeling the others werent just standing still while we were gaining power
  1585. [2011-11-18 23:10:32] <Golemon> which guys would that be, Irony?
  1586. [2011-11-18 23:10:35] <Golemon> besides Gleb
  1587. [2011-11-18 23:10:43] <Ironybot> All three of the Einher.
  1588. [2011-11-18 23:10:48] <Golemon> ah
  1589. [2011-11-18 23:10:50] <ManOfTroy> Also, you have to remember that we did stand still while they gained power.
  1590. [2011-11-18 23:10:53] <fuogo> Big Did see the first one.
  1591. [2011-11-18 23:11:05] <fuogo> Random capitalization
  1592. [2011-11-18 23:11:08] <ManOfTroy> Yeah. And the nazi dick who tried to kill us.
  1593. [2011-11-18 23:11:10] <fuogo> Not sure why I'm doing it
  1594. [2011-11-18 23:11:16] <Arkeus> Well, actually
  1595. [2011-11-18 23:11:20] <Arkeus> BC is one week into the future
  1596. [2011-11-18 23:11:25] <Arkeus> So we can get even better
  1597. [2011-11-18 23:11:39] <fuogo> Kill the Doonongaes
  1598. [2011-11-18 23:11:45] <fuogo> Top that story BC
  1599. [2011-11-18 23:11:46] <Golemon> We're levelling out in terms of power gain
  1600. [2011-11-18 23:11:53] <Arkeus> Well, we have to deal with the Devil by then
  1601. [2011-11-18 23:11:56] <Golemon> we'll get a boost once the auction goes off, and thats about it
  1602. [2011-11-18 23:12:05] * Gunpowder_Symphony returns.
  1603. [2011-11-18 23:12:07] <fuogo> We have training out the wazoo lined up
  1604. [2011-11-18 23:12:11] <Arkeus> And we still don't have the plan solidified for that
  1605. [2011-11-18 23:12:26] <Arkeus> Levellign out means?
  1606. [2011-11-18 23:12:27] <Golemon> yeah - but nothing thats easy power like gaining a spirit animal or a bloodline
  1607. [2011-11-18 23:12:30] <Wutenheimer> what am i to be believed about?
  1608. [2011-11-18 23:12:58] <Arkeus> Golemon: gaining a second contract artifact
  1609. [2011-11-18 23:12:58] <ManOfTroy> Fuogo, killing the Doon isn't...really powerful, honestly.
  1610. [2011-11-18 23:13:06] <fuogo> Hey
  1611. [2011-11-18 23:13:07] <ManOfTroy> it's...kinda...well, it's the Doony.
  1612. [2011-11-18 23:13:12] <fuogo> It's a big notch on your belt
  1613. [2011-11-18 23:13:13] <Arkeus> The Doon is much stronger than we saw
  1614. [2011-11-18 23:13:17] <Arkeus> Much, Much stronger
  1615. [2011-11-18 23:13:24] <ManOfTroy> Impressive would be getting him as a spirit animal.
  1616. [2011-11-18 23:13:25] <Golemon> we've repressed the memories of our last fight with it, havent we?
  1617. [2011-11-18 23:13:26] <fuogo> Immortal fish beast from ages past?
  1618. [2011-11-18 23:13:27] <Arkeus> He has his own set of magical artifacts
  1619. [2011-11-18 23:13:30] <ManOfTroy> But it's still Doony-berry.
  1620. [2011-11-18 23:13:32] <Ironybot> We arranged to fight it the first time in very favorable circumstances.
  1621. [2011-11-18 23:13:50] <Gunpowder_Symphony> Simpler terms: level scaling
  1622. [2011-11-18 23:13:59] <Arkeus> Gunpowder_Symphony: sadness
  1623. [2011-11-18 23:14:00] <Golemon> out in a sinking ship in the middle of the river was favorable? I mean yea, Lo Fang bailed our butts out, but...
  1624. [2011-11-18 23:14:05] <Arkeus> I don't want to leve scale :è-
  1625. [2011-11-18 23:14:12] <Arkeus> That means Camella improved a LOT
  1626. [2011-11-18 23:14:34] <Ironybot> I meant more the fact that we got him to charge into the teeth of an entire squad's heavy weaponry. Twice.
  1627. [2011-11-18 23:14:47] <Ironybot> Well, okay, the second time half the squad was doing other things.
  1628. [2011-11-18 23:15:14] <Golemon> doubt it Ark. the nonmagical one will be taking the slow and steady path to power, I figure
  1629. [2011-11-18 23:15:46] <Arkeus> Golemon: that would be quite hard after a while
  1630. [2011-11-18 23:15:55] <Arkeus> nonmagical are really limited in quite a few ways
  1631. [2011-11-18 23:16:05] <Arkeus> Unless she goes the Lo Fang way
  1632. [2011-11-18 23:16:08] <Gunpowder_Symphony> For some reason I think it would be hilarious to get a fuckhuge Guts style sword for Camella as a gag present.
  1633. [2011-11-18 23:16:24] <Golemon> she's already the sharp-shootingest, dual-fistiest, rip-snortingest (?) axe-you-a-question scary person
  1634. [2011-11-18 23:16:33] <Arkeus> Pretty sure we could get her a awesome present if we wanted to
  1635. [2011-11-18 23:16:43] <Arkeus> i asked TheBeardiestBob what was her birthday earlier on
  1636. [2011-11-18 23:16:49] <Arkeus> but he just said 'good question'
  1637. [2011-11-18 23:16:51] <Arkeus> the bastard
  1638. [2011-11-18 23:16:52] <Golemon> hence why I doubt she's improved a LOT, Ark
  1639. [2011-11-18 23:16:53] <Ironybot> Camella could go the tons of "crazy enchanted stuff" route, if she can get enough money for it.
  1640. [2011-11-18 23:16:55] <fuogo> It's in the quest
  1641. [2011-11-18 23:16:59] <fuogo> Her birthday that is
  1642. [2011-11-18 23:17:09] <Arkeus> Really?
  1643. [2011-11-18 23:17:09] <fuogo> We read her ID
  1644. [2011-11-18 23:17:10] <Arkeus> huh
  1645. [2011-11-18 23:17:16] <Arkeus> i'll have to check again
  1646. [2011-11-18 23:17:17] <fuogo> It has her birth date listed on it
  1647. [2011-11-18 23:17:24] <fuogo> Far away in quest terms I believe
  1648. [2011-11-18 23:17:27] <Gunpowder_Symphony> Get her a mutant hamster from Chernobyl named Bitey Mr. Fluffums.
  1649. [2011-11-18 23:17:35] <Arkeus> Ironybot: tons of enchanted stuff kinda dwindles after a bit though, unless she goes the reaper route
  1650. [2011-11-18 23:17:43] <Golemon> it is possessed by the Chernobyl spirit and comes with its own little gas mask
  1651. [2011-11-18 23:17:46] <ManOfTroy> While you discuess Gun's awesome idea, I have to sleep
  1652. [2011-11-18 23:17:50] <Arkeus> She can have her souls sculpted ala einrik, but...
  1653. [2011-11-18 23:17:55] <fuogo> At the very least she'll have done quite a bit of Ito's training
  1654. [2011-11-18 23:18:06] <ManOfTroy> GO FOR THE EYES, MUTATED BOO! GO FOR THE EYES!
  1655. [2011-11-18 23:18:08] <Golemon> here Camella! It is the congealed power of all the horror of an uncaring god in a hamster body!
  1656. [2011-11-18 23:18:09] <Arkeus> Yeah, she probably has good chakra training
  1657. [2011-11-18 23:18:11] <Gunpowder_Symphony> We can always give her the Gatmalite too.
  1658. [2011-11-18 23:18:14] <fuogo> Good?
  1659. [2011-11-18 23:18:21] <Ironybot> I don't know that I agree with that assessment. What we see with Blackbeard getting tons of charms is, honestly, not an optimal way to do tons of enchanted stuff in my opinion. Utility items are where it's at.
  1660. [2011-11-18 23:18:22] <Arkeus> For a beginning, sure
  1661. [2011-11-18 23:18:27] <fuogo> If she's all natural she might not have even a fraction of them open yet
  1662. [2011-11-18 23:18:39] <fuogo> Recall it takes nearly a lifetime to have them opened mundanely.
  1663. [2011-11-18 23:18:42] <Arkeus> Ironybot: i'd agree
  1664. [2011-11-18 23:18:57] <Golemon> she's also the top of the class one while we have the learning disability
  1665. [2011-11-18 23:19:20] <Gunpowder_Symphony> Heh, that kinda makes Armas sound like a Battle-Tard.
  1666. [2011-11-18 23:19:22] <Gunpowder_Symphony> ...
  1667. [2011-11-18 23:19:23] <Ironybot> There's a reason that we learn things with insta-downloads whenever possible.
  1668. [2011-11-18 23:19:27] <Gunpowder_Symphony> NEW GLADIATOR MATCH IDEA
  1669. [2011-11-18 23:19:40] <Gunpowder_Symphony> PAY-PER-VIEW TARD FIGHTS
  1670. [2011-11-18 23:19:55] <Arkeus> Gunpowder_Symphony: why do you think i was eager to help labombard?
  1671. [2011-11-18 23:20:08] <Arkeus> Armas learns best when he is back against the wall
  1672. [2011-11-18 23:20:17] <Arkeus> OTOH, he also needs more basic training
  1673. [2011-11-18 23:20:30] <Arkeus> But that he can have in different ways
  1674. [2011-11-18 23:20:53] <Golemon> he's pretty good at pulling a power out of his ass when he really needs it, I admit
  1675. [2011-11-18 23:20:59] <Gunpowder_Symphony> What Armas needs is to get over that thing he's got about self-propelled munitions.
  1676. [2011-11-18 23:21:01] <Arkeus> Not just power
  1677. [2011-11-18 23:21:08] <Arkeus> wait, Golemon isn't Gunpowder_Symphony?
  1678. [2011-11-18 23:21:10] <Arkeus> damn
  1679. [2011-11-18 23:21:14] <Gunpowder_Symphony> ...Wat.
  1680. [2011-11-18 23:21:21] <Arkeus> oh, it's guile
  1681. [2011-11-18 23:21:32] <Golemon> Seeing a therapist would cut into valuable 'getting stronger' time
  1682. [2011-11-18 23:21:48] <Arkeus> Seeing a therapist might be needed, but not for that
  1683. [2011-11-18 23:21:56] <Golemon> also, why dont people like the idea of Armas getting drunk on Hafaz's tab (and watch)? He needs to unwind from his vacation.
  1684. [2011-11-18 23:21:57] <Arkeus> that would just be a fringe benefit
  1685. [2011-11-18 23:22:09] <Arkeus> Golemon: he already got drunk last night
  1686. [2011-11-18 23:22:14] <Golemon> "I don't get therapy. I kill people."
  1687. [2011-11-18 23:22:14] <Arkeus> lost most of his food
  1688. [2011-11-18 23:22:19] <Arkeus> And got us in a mess today
  1689. [2011-11-18 23:22:27] <Golemon> this wasnt our fault!
  1690. [2011-11-18 23:22:33] <Arkeus> It kinda was
  1691. [2011-11-18 23:22:41] <Golemon> we just keep winding up in other people's messes
  1692. [2011-11-18 23:22:52] <Arkeus> We weren't prepared for them
  1693. [2011-11-18 23:22:53] <ManOfTroy> Bob, or if bob has answered this anyone else: Just how underleveled is Armas at this point, complaired to everyone?
  1694. [2011-11-18 23:22:56] <Arkeus> we don't have any flashbangs
  1695. [2011-11-18 23:23:05] <Arkeus> only 5 grenades, and those we took from lo fang
  1696. [2011-11-18 23:23:08] <Arkeus> munitions are low
  1697. [2011-11-18 23:23:20] <Ironybot> I suspect that Armas will one day turn to mental surgery as a substitute for therapy. That is, he will take personality traits, memories, and personal issues that he doesn't like and just have them cut out of his head.
  1698. [2011-11-18 23:23:34] <Arkeus> Ironybot: i suspect that, too
  1699. [2011-11-18 23:23:38] <Arkeus> Not safe at all
  1700. [2011-11-18 23:23:38] <BUTTZ> Even better: He will cut them out and put them into magic items
  1701. [2011-11-18 23:23:40] <ManOfTroy> Does that include us?
  1702. [2011-11-18 23:23:41] <BUTTZ> Like the mask
  1703. [2011-11-18 23:23:46] <Golemon> speaking of Camella with Guts' sword... why isnt this every day of her life? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PE22PP4lKw&feature=BFa&list=PL52C0B094DEC749C1&lf=plpp_video
  1704. [2011-11-18 23:23:47] <Classhole> Golemon: Berserk - length 3m 41s - rated 4.94/5.0 (4725) - 688814 views - Trifrog77 on 2006.07.07
  1705. [2011-11-18 23:23:49] <BUTTZ> Penis Troll Mask
  1706. [2011-11-18 23:24:03] <Ironybot> Armas is not underleveled compared to everyone. Look at the recent battle: Armas kills 1.5, Labombard kills 1.
  1707. [2011-11-18 23:24:06] <Arkeus> You actually really like that idea, don't you?
  1708. [2011-11-18 23:24:10] <Gunpowder_Symphony> No, man.
  1709. [2011-11-18 23:24:13] <Gunpowder_Symphony> Penis Troll CODPIECE
  1710. [2011-11-18 23:24:26] <Arkeus> Ironybot: armas isn't underlevelled, he just isn't fit for direct combat
  1711. [2011-11-18 23:24:28] <ManOfTroy> MY GOD, GUN IS FILLED WITH GOOD IDEAS!
  1712. [2011-11-18 23:24:30] <Golemon> his personality-problems-in-items willresent the fuck out of us and plot against us
  1713. [2011-11-18 23:24:35] <Arkeus> Not right now, at least
  1714. [2011-11-18 23:24:38] * Gunpowder_Symphony cacles maniacally.
  1715. [2011-11-18 23:24:50] <Arkeus> And if BC REALLY knocked Markku off his back in real combat?
  1716. [2011-11-18 23:24:54] <Gunpowder_Symphony> Mmmm, Doritos...
  1717. [2011-11-18 23:24:59] <Gunpowder_Symphony> Om nom nom
  1718. [2011-11-18 23:25:02] <Ironybot> Right, because a huge amount of Armas' leveling has been in social traits and investing in allies and connections.
  1719. [2011-11-18 23:25:06] <Arkeus> That means BC has level 8 combat traits
  1720. [2011-11-18 23:25:08] <Arkeus> or something
  1721. [2011-11-18 23:25:18] <Arkeus> Ironybot: and i like that
  1722. [2011-11-18 23:25:20] <Golemon> or he surprised him
  1723. [2011-11-18 23:25:21] <Arkeus> i don't mind it at all
  1724. [2011-11-18 23:25:33] <Arkeus> It's just that Armas plays differently
  1725. [2011-11-18 23:25:53] <Golemon> The only downside to having allies who can kick our collective ass is that when it comes time to help them out, we're in trouble
  1726. [2011-11-18 23:26:03] <Arkeus> lol
  1727. [2011-11-18 23:26:09] <Arkeus> We did really well
  1728. [2011-11-18 23:26:20] <ManOfTroy> Sleeptime now.
  1729. [2011-11-18 23:26:23] <Golemon> we did. but we wont always have 300 Triads and a wolfman to hide behind
  1730. [2011-11-18 23:26:26] <TheBeardiestBob> Arkeus, did you read? Markku did not attack, or dodge, or try to stealth-he just defended against BC's sunday punch, and got knocked on his ass.
  1731. [2011-11-18 23:26:36] <TheBeardiestBob> not at all the same as 'beating'
  1732. [2011-11-18 23:27:01] <TheBeardiestBob> Seriously man, pay attention to the wording, this is how wildly inaccurate assumptions start-a conversation I've had with you before.
  1733. [2011-11-18 23:27:09] <Golemon> Armas 1 on 1 against a reaper like Lammy did would be a massacre, and not the good kind
  1734. [2011-11-18 23:27:23] <Ironybot> Which is precisely why we didn't face them like that.
  1735. [2011-11-18 23:27:43] <Gunpowder_Symphony> Armas is more sneaky backhanded fuckery style combat, not scrapping it up toe to toe.
  1736. [2011-11-18 23:27:46] <Arkeus> TheBeardiestBob: sorry, i understood what oyu meant, i don't know how i put the word 'beating' there
  1737. [2011-11-18 23:27:55] <Arkeus> And my point stand
  1738. [2011-11-18 23:28:04] <Arkeus> Knocking marrku off his ass is THAT impressive
  1739. [2011-11-18 23:28:14] <Arkeus> though it would have been better if it was actual combat
  1740. [2011-11-18 23:28:21] <Arkeus> (and i precised that, too)
  1741. [2011-11-18 23:29:02] <Arkeus> a.k.a, 'if he really knocked markku off his back in real combat'
  1742. [2011-11-18 23:29:06] <Arkeus> i never said beat him
  1743. [2011-11-18 23:29:13] <Arkeus> Where they HELL did you get me saying that?
  1744. [2011-11-18 23:29:19] <Ironybot> Armas, if we know what we're doing, is going to be pushed into a build that will ALWAYS avoid direct confrontations. Improving our soul sense to not need to see people or detect their Attention is key in that; Lurk would help immensely; improving our speed would help a great deal; getting our stealth training topped off again in a while to make use of our improved physical capabilities and...
  1745. [2011-11-18 23:29:19] <Ironybot> ...any magical speed boosts that we can get would help a lot as well.
  1746. [2011-11-18 23:29:38] <Ironybot> Also if we can get a prophecy spirit that would be cash as hell.
  1747. [2011-11-18 23:29:59] <Gunpowder_Symphony> Sort of like The G-man with guns.
  1748. [2011-11-18 23:30:03] <Ironybot> And teleportation powers would also help a lot, though getting them will be very hard.
  1749. [2011-11-18 23:30:18] <Golemon> Eh, I'm still in love with the idea of a fear spirit
  1750. [2011-11-18 23:30:23] <Ironybot> Mix all those traits up, and forcing us into a straight will be essentially impossible.
  1751. [2011-11-18 23:30:32] <Arkeus> Ironybot: yep
  1752. [2011-11-18 23:30:46] <Arkeus> Well, Ironybot, we have two ways we probably WILL get teleport power
  1753. [2011-11-18 23:30:51] <fuogo> And even if you do the plans for armor and other defensive measures mean it'll be very difficult to kill him.
  1754. [2011-11-18 23:30:52] <Arkeus> one we already have, via SB
  1755. [2011-11-18 23:30:57] <Arkeus> and that won't take long to make work
  1756. [2011-11-18 23:31:04] |<-- Shifter43TES3 has left irc.rizon.net (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  1757. [2011-11-18 23:31:05] <Golemon> A battle where we reduce our foe to a huddled, sobbing wreck of a once-proud man is a battle won, says I
  1758. [2011-11-18 23:31:06] <fuogo> And even if you do
  1759. [2011-11-18 23:31:09] <Arkeus> the other via Border, though that's real combat teleport
  1760. [2011-11-18 23:31:14] <fuogo> You'll have to kill him multiple times
  1761. [2011-11-18 23:31:15] <Arkeus> But that only works with real work
  1762. [2011-11-18 23:31:39] <Arkeus> Anyway, i totally agree with your assessment
  1763. [2011-11-18 23:31:41] <Golemon> its not a great combat teleport, Ark, since you need to enter and leave via borders like doorways
  1764. [2011-11-18 23:31:56] <Arkeus> 'like' doorways, yes
  1765. [2011-11-18 23:32:03] <Arkeus> and that's a great combat teleport
  1766. [2011-11-18 23:32:12] <Golemon> better to use it to fuck with the battlefield; have enemies charging down the same hallway forever
  1767. [2011-11-18 23:32:13] <Arkeus> As it means, for example, we can exit cab and arrive in warehouse
  1768. [2011-11-18 23:32:16] <Ironybot> Oh, I wanted to ask- on the topic of getting spirits, what are the limitations on those? Do they basically use the same "slots" that spirit animals do, or something else?
  1769. [2011-11-18 23:32:43] <Golemon> Yes, but if we get ambushed or whatever, we dont always have a convenient door to dive through
  1770. [2011-11-18 23:32:50] <Gunpowder_Symphony> Golemon: ...That would be creating the Scooby Doo Chase Scene. I find this hilarious.
  1771. [2011-11-18 23:33:14] <fuogo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4QUFfYA0wA
  1772. [2011-11-18 23:33:15] <Arkeus> Golemon: hopefully we have windows :p
  1773. [2011-11-18 23:33:15] <Classhole> fuogo: Game Fails: Skyrim "Huh... I have a different guess about why we stopped" - length 46s - rated 5.00/5.0 (168) - 302 views - GameFails on 2011.11.19
  1774. [2011-11-18 23:33:21] <Golemon> really, the ability to twist spacetime, and all we use it for is to teleport ourselves? Failure of imagination.
  1775. [2011-11-18 23:33:31] <Arkeus> Oh, definitely
  1776. [2011-11-18 23:33:32] <fuogo> Nades
  1777. [2011-11-18 23:33:34] <Ironybot> I am holding out for the Savoy-style teleport, by the way. Either by eating him and getting it that way, or by killing him and having his body turned into an item that lets us do that, which I believe was also mentioned as a possibility.
  1778. [2011-11-18 23:33:41] <Golemon> Or the Scooby Doo chase scene with the 6 doors, and everyone runs in and out and never meets, Gun
  1779. [2011-11-18 23:33:42] <Arkeus> I am saying it is a 'basic' use
  1780. [2011-11-18 23:33:59] <Gunpowder_Symphony> I hear ya there, Irony.
  1781. [2011-11-18 23:34:09] <Arkeus> Ironybot: a seriously nerfed version of his ability
  1782. [2011-11-18 23:34:15] <Arkeus> like, at least two level down
  1783. [2011-11-18 23:34:17] <Arkeus> if not three
  1784. [2011-11-18 23:34:18] <Gunpowder_Symphony> Plus we need the opportunity to shoot his balls off again, if he's gotten them back.
  1785. [2011-11-18 23:34:31] <Golemon> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9A77NcOMYDw
  1786. [2011-11-18 23:34:32] <Classhole> Golemon: Science Fiction - Scooby Doo Door Chase - length 3m 7s - rated 4.26/5.0 (27) - 6927 views - Anderg07 on 2009.03.23
  1787. [2011-11-18 23:34:43] <fuogo> That's going to be an awesome story to tell if Armas ever gets old
  1788. [2011-11-18 23:34:45] <Golemon> whistle that music as we do it
  1789. [2011-11-18 23:34:48] <fuogo> Well not physically
  1790. [2011-11-18 23:34:53] <fuogo> But old enough to have children
  1791. [2011-11-18 23:35:11] <Gunpowder_Symphony> Carry an MP3 player and tiny speaker system.
  1792. [2011-11-18 23:35:11] <fuogo> We can get a fake beard and pretend we look old when it's story time though
  1793. [2011-11-18 23:35:14] <Arkeus> Firstly, I'd like to point out that a witch is not the female equivalent of a Wizard - they are simply a certain kind of practitioner - and so all references to witches should be removed. <= IDIOT
  1794. [2011-11-18 23:35:14] <Gunpowder_Symphony> Play Yakety Sax.
  1795. [2011-11-18 23:35:18] <Arkeus> Well, not idiot
  1796. [2011-11-18 23:35:24] <Gunpowder_Symphony> Yakety Sax makes EVERYTHING better.
  1797. [2011-11-18 23:35:27] <Arkeus> just.. someone who makes a mistake
  1798. [2011-11-18 23:36:45] <Golemon> the question is where they got the idea
  1799. [2011-11-18 23:37:29] <fuogo> I'm imaging Armas rewarding the mooks by telling them insane stories
  1800. [2011-11-18 23:37:34] <fuogo> imagining*
  1801. [2011-11-18 23:38:03] <fuogo> We need to earn a story telling trait...
  1802. [2011-11-18 23:38:33] <Gunpowder_Symphony> Must include a Summon: Rocking Chair power
  1803. [2011-11-18 23:39:08] <Golemon> I still want the Grow Beard power
  1804. [2011-11-18 23:39:12] <Golemon> too bad it would make us insane
  1805. [2011-11-18 23:39:16] <Golemon> ...-er
  1806. [2011-11-18 23:39:39] <Arkeus> TheBeardiestBob: btw, someone talked about how some countries believe that all animals have souls
  1807. [2011-11-18 23:39:46] <Arkeus> Does that mean that in those countries, they do?
  1808. [2011-11-18 23:39:47] -->| EvilP|2 (~kvirc@40EC4F40.DCE87B24.BB24AA5D.IP) has joined #golemquest
  1809. [2011-11-18 23:39:51] <Golemon> at least, the way of hypnotizing our body into making it grow a new beard every day would
  1810. [2011-11-18 23:39:52] <Arkeus> or are they just facsimmile?
  1811. [2011-11-18 23:40:08] <Golemon> souls are self-power, not belief-power
  1812. [2011-11-18 23:40:37] <Arkeus> Golemon: Yes, but enough people believing something change that thing, usually
  1813. [2011-11-18 23:40:47] <Arkeus> Also, that's why i said 'or..'
  1814. [2011-11-18 23:41:23] <Golemon> I suppose that could be where animal divinities like Sake come from...
  1815. [2011-11-18 23:41:46] <Arkeus> ...that's actually something you should ask Sake
  1816. [2011-11-18 23:41:47] <fuogo> We can't do the growing a new beard every day thing?
  1817. [2011-11-18 23:41:51] <Arkeus> could net us R points
  1818. [2011-11-18 23:41:54] <Golemon> Shinto's one of those religions that thinks everything has souls
  1819. [2011-11-18 23:41:58] <Arkeus> especially if Bob doesn't answer first
  1820. [2011-11-18 23:42:03] <fuogo> I has the sad
  1821. [2011-11-18 23:42:10] <Arkeus> fuogo: we can, but it leads to insanity
  1822. [2011-11-18 23:42:20] <fuogo> ...How fast are we talking?
  1823. [2011-11-18 23:42:26] <Arkeus> No idea
  1824. [2011-11-18 23:42:29] <Golemon> we CAN, fuogo, but bob warned that type of fleshcrafting would fuck up our self-image and make us crazy
  1825. [2011-11-18 23:42:34] <Golemon> a new beard every day
  1826. [2011-11-18 23:43:04] <Golemon> Fu Manchu to ZZTop beard in one day, that sort of thing
  1827. [2011-11-18 23:43:21] <fuogo> I bet there are hair growth formulas
  1828. [2011-11-18 23:43:23] <Gunpowder_Symphony> WINDMILL beard.
  1829. [2011-11-18 23:43:31] <Golemon> specifically, using M7 for it would do that. We could have Amen do it for us, but that would be an even worse idea
  1830. [2011-11-18 23:43:37] <Golemon> that IS an awesome beard, Gun
  1831. [2011-11-18 23:44:47] <Gunpowder_Symphony> Or a beard...of BEES.
  1832. [2011-11-18 23:45:26] <Gunpowder_Symphony> A COMBAT beard of bees.
  1833. [2011-11-18 23:45:35] <Arkeus> ^^;
  1834. [2011-11-18 23:45:57] <Golemon> That is ALMOST as cool as beard-lions
  1835. [2011-11-18 23:45:58] <fuogo> Huh
  1836. [2011-11-18 23:46:03] <fuogo> Minecraft is finally in 1.0
  1837. [2011-11-18 23:46:04] <Arkeus> Honestly, i am pretty sure that a sufficiently thought-out question for Amen could net us some Awesome fleshcrafting
  1838. [2011-11-18 23:46:59] <Ironybot> I am pretty sure that a sufficiently thought-out command for Amen could get us monstrous shock trooper minions who obey our every whim and are total beasts in combat.
  1839. [2011-11-18 23:47:32] <Ironybot> Also that insufficient thinking would result in Bad Things.
  1840. [2011-11-18 23:48:05] <Ironybot> For example, the phrase "obey my every whim" should not be used when giving that command.
  1841. [2011-11-18 23:48:21] <Golemon> heh
  1842. [2011-11-18 23:48:40] <Golemon> Id rather not have bob do his level best to screw us
  1843. [2011-11-18 23:48:50] <Golemon> I mean, he kinda does that anyway, but not his VERY best
  1844. [2011-11-18 23:49:45] <Arkeus> TheBeardiestBob: Would us capturing souls in our eye and sacrifcing them to whaitiri would give her a noticeable boost?
  1845. [2011-11-18 23:51:57] <BUTTZ> Bob is there a "magic pick and pull" somewhere? A scrapyard of half-useful items that have been cast off, but are tended and kept in good shape?
  1846. [2011-11-18 23:52:57] <Gunpowder_Symphony> ...Mystic pawn shop?
  1847. [2011-11-18 23:53:19] <Arkeus> http://mangastream.com/read/hunter_x_hunter/64800403/6 <= Because, after all, HE CAN DO IT
  1848. [2011-11-18 23:54:06] <Wutenheimer> >step off skyrim for a few minutes to take a quick shit
  1849. [2011-11-18 23:54:21] <Wutenheimer> >realize i just spent half an hour sitting on the shitter playing solitair
  1850. [2011-11-18 23:54:28] <Gunpowder_Symphony> Bwahahah.
  1851. [2011-11-18 23:54:38] <Arkeus> lol
  1852. [2011-11-18 23:54:39] <Gunpowder_Symphony> I've done that too, only with reading books.
  1853. [2011-11-18 23:55:00] <Gunpowder_Symphony> And now, time for Battlefield 3. Later, folks.
  1854. [2011-11-18 23:55:05] <Wutenheimer> yeah, i used to do it with books ALL THE TIME
  1855. [2011-11-18 23:55:06] |<-- Gunpowder_Symphony has left irc.rizon.net (Quit: KRIEG)
  1856. [2011-11-18 23:55:33] <Wutenheimer> .tell Gunpowder_Symphony we should play bf3 together sometime
  1857. [2011-11-18 23:55:34] <Classhole> Wutenheimer: I'll pass that along.
  1858. [2011-11-18 23:55:43] <fuogo> I just left Skyrim running in the background for like two hours
  1859. [2011-11-18 23:56:05] <fuogo> I do this far too often
  1860. [2011-11-18 23:56:43] <Wutenheimer> yeah, i can tell because i leave the chat window with you open and i get all these messages saying you're away or you're online
  1861. [2011-11-18 23:57:21] <Wutenheimer> anyone want me to stream anything tonight?
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