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  1. Life:
  2. I want to just toss out a comment about Bibi.
  3. Look. The guy obviously doesn't eant rockets fired at his country. But Bibi loves being PM. And while Hamas is in power, Bibi is (unfortunately) Israel's best choice for being a PM who understands war. I mean, Naftali Bennett pretty much wants Gaza razed to the ground, for example.
  4. Talking about Bibi and his own wants is an entire can of worms and one I won't touch because I don't know enough to offer a better solution (not even Yair Lapid and I voted for Lapid) and I'm also holding back a bit of bile.
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  6. Euklyd:
  7. I feel like a) you can't really separate the whole "the establishment thrives on conflict" from the ongoing crisis and b) from my understanding Bibi isn't the only one who benefits from the status quo.
  8. The unfortunate issue for both sides is that the current state of affairs is more palatable than the process of getting to better solution; the Israeli electorate wants things that are not going to guarantee stability and a lasting peace, and Hamas can't capitulate to demands without something to show for it (which the Israelis have a reasonable belief that won't help) without risking a strong challenge from a group that isn't ~soft on the oppressors~ (or at the very least losing hella public support).
  9. To be honest, I'm rather more annoyed by Israel in this situation, because they have things (power, wealth, technology, allies) and still choose a path that exacerbates problems. Hamas does terrible things as well, but they don't exactly have anywhere near the same volume of "things" as Israel.
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  11. Char:
  12. You dont understand. Power, wealth, technology are all traded by blood, from both the Jew and the Muslim. If you think the Israel has these things from the beginning then you are wrong. When all of your neighbors just want to kill you and burn your house. Negotiating is pointless. There is no better solution. Things are going as Israel want them to be, there's no need for Israel to change their politic. And for the Muslim in general and Hamas in this case, there's nothing they and the other groups can do unless they change their politic...which is unbelievable at this point.
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  14. Nightmarre:
  15. Why does that have any bearing on anything? We are talking about the here and the now, and the reality is that the IDF has committed war crimes, that Israel pretty much fits the definition of an apartheid regime, and that they are not budging when everything can end on much better terms for both them and the Palestinians if they did. That's why all their neighbours want to "kill them and burn their house" as you put it. Israel is not the oppressed here, stop acting like they are. They started out with enormous support, and they're continuing to thrive on even more support. Not to say Hamas are the good guys either, because they certainly aren't, but if you think that a regime's harmful practices should not be stopped or changed, then your views are skewed and anti-humanitarianism, and possibly Islamophobic judging by the comments you've made about Muslims in this thread.
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