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  1. The localization makes Selena a lot more angry and annoyed in the conversation, even retorting to irrelevant childish insults. The localized Selena tries to put Lazwald down in every instance of the dialogue, the original gives him some leeway (she is more "tsundere" than her original). Lazwald is also a lot more informal in the original, he is not the "knightly flirt" which makes him sound more sarcastic than anything. The localization makes Lazwald a lot less self-aware (E.g. "T- Yeah, I know, it's a real problem (that no one takes me seriously). O- You say that like it's a bad thing (to not be taken seriously)").
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  3. There's a cut line which is important to their back story, without this line, someone without knowledge of previous games can't understand the reference (That they're from another world). The addition of extra out-of-character fluff is present.
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  6. C support:
  7. I honestly can't believe they did this. There was no reason to go this far. Sure, spruce it up a little bit to make it a little more flavorful for the English audience, but this is ... just way too much.
  8. [ラズワルド] やぁ、ルーナ。 相変わらず可愛いねー。 T- Hey, Luna. Nice to see you're as cute as ever. O- Selena! My heart! How are you today? You look ravishing as always.
  9. [ルーナ] ………… T- ............ O- ...
  10. [ラズワルド] あら? 返答なし? まぁ、黙ってる顔も可愛いんだけどさ。 T- What's this? No reply? Well, even when you don't speak, your face is adorable. O- Hm? Cherub got your tongue, my sweet? [Added line]O- That's all right—your radiance burns no less brightly for your silence!
  11. [ルーナ] …ラズワルド。 T- ...Lazwald. O- Is there really nothing else rolling around in that big, stupid head of yours?
  12. 可愛い、可愛いって…
  13. あんた本当にそればっかりね!
  14. T- Seriously, all you ever do is go around saying, "You're cute! You're cute!" O- Ravishing this, beauty that—does anyone actually fall for that nonsense?
  15. [ラズワルド] ほら、女の子に可愛いって言うのは 挨拶みたいなものだからさ。 T- Well, calling a girl cute is like my personal greeting. O- I haven't a clue what you mean! That seems like a perfectly normal way to address a lovely lady.
  16. [ルーナ] 馬っ鹿じゃないの!? T- Are you a freaking idiot? O- Ugh! Are you daft? Of course it isn't!
  17. そんなんだから、あんたは
  18. どこいっても軽く見られちゃうのよ!
  19. T- This is why no one ever takes you seriously. O- This is exactly why nobody takes you seriously!
  20. [ラズワルド] 本当に困っちゃうよね。 T- Yeah, I know, it's a real problem. O- You say that like it's a bad thing.
  21. [ルーナ] 困ってるんなら、 自分でなんとかしようとしなさいよ! T- Then do something about your "real problem!" O- It is! You're a royal retainer! A soldier! Not some two-bit sideshow clown.
  22. いつでもどんなときでも、
  23. 女の子を口説いてばっかり!
  24. T- No matter what's going on, all you EVER do is try to seduce girls! O- You should start behaving instead of making eyes at everything with legs.
  25. 出会った頃から、
  26. 何一つ成長してないじゃない!
  27. T- You've not grown one bit since I met you, have you? O- I swear, you haven't grown a bit since the day I met you!
  28. [ラズワルド] そんなことないよ。 ナンパの腕は成長してると思うんだけどな。 T- I wouldn't say that. I tend to think my flirting skills have grown. O- Milady, you wound me. I'm a far more proficient flirt than the boy I once was!
  29. [ルーナ] それは成長とは言わないわ! むしろ、退化よ! 退化! T- That can't be called growth! On the contrary, you've devolved. Devolution! O- That's not what I meant, and you know it! If anything, that's the opposite of growth. [Added line, not in the original] O- You're just a big, dumb baby. A GROSS, big, dumb baby.
  30. [ラズワルド] あはは。 T- Ahaha. O- Haha! Ever with the razor tongue. Never change, Selena!
  31. ルーナは厳しいなぁ。
  32. ここに来る前から変わらず、ずっとね。
  33. T- Ah Luna, always so high-strung and mean. Even before we came here, you've never changed. [<-- Remember the Japanese conversation makes an explicit mention of them before they even came to Nohr. It's going to be VERY important later and it's removed from the English.] O- [blank]
  34. [ルーナ] それはあんたが 変わってないからでしょ! T- And that's precisely because you've never changed, isn't it? O- I think I'll pass on that advice. Some of us actually want to mature.
  35. [ラズワルド] うんうん。 怒った顔も相変わらず可愛いね。 T- Quite right, quite right. And your angry face doesn't change how cute you are! O- Ahaha! You say that, but you're just as adorable today as the day we met!
  36. どう?
  37. このあと二人でお茶でも。
  38. T- How about it? Want to go out for something like tea after this, just the two of us? O- So, what would you say to going out to tea to continue this little repartee of ours? [Added line, obviously not in the original] O- Or should I say...repar-tea?
  39. [ルーナ] はぁ…あんたには 何を言っても無駄みたいね… T- Oh lord ... It seems you're impossible, no matter what I say to you ... O- * sigh * In one ear and out the other...
  40. It gets much, much, MUCH, MUCH worse.
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  42.  
  43. There's a lot of additional fluff which is impossible to reproduce for the type of character that Selena is, which is why the original chose an implied seductive stare (or just have Lazwald show his actually shy and awkward side because Selena's attentive stare is getting to him, since it's translated as an "intense stare").
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  45. Like every time it happened before, these conversations lose a lot of nuance and depth again. Selena in the localization sounds like she's angry with him just pestering other girls and hurting their feelings (Selena: I don't care what your intentions are! It's not your intentions that matter. It's how the other person feels. Do you get it yet?), while in the original, she's angry because she's giving them attention instead of her, which is what is implied in the original (and later on in the next support conversations). Selena is talking about herself when mentioning "other women" (e.g. when she mentions that it's embarrassing, when she mentions that Lazwald plays with women's hearts, etc)
  46.  
  47. Lazwald becomes oblivious again, instead of accepting his "problem" (this is because of extra additions in the localization), he suddenly has no self-awareness again.
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  49. Besides the conversation having the same issue like some Camilla, Aqua and Nyx ones. See http://imgur.com/x9xorBP http://imgur.com/NNjBkZd http://imgur.com/brcyRvK for reference.
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  51. B support:
  52. Here's where the social justice proselytizing gets unbearable.
  53. [ラズワルド] やぁ、ルーナ。 今日も可愛いね! T- Hey, Luna. Looking cute as ever today! O- Selena, my dove! My tired eyes are rejuvenated by the sight of you!
  54. [ルーナ] ラズワルド… あんたも懲りないわね。 T- Lazwald ... you never learn, do you? O- Ugh. You never learn, do you?
  55. そうやって調子のいいこと言ってると、
  56. そのうち、誰にも相手にされなくなるわよ?
  57. T- You do know that if you keep saying whatever comes to mind like that, one day people are going to stop listening to anything you say? O- You know, someday people are going to get sick of all this empty flattery of yours.
  58. [ラズワルド] 何言ってるの? 僕は常に本心しか語らないよ。 T- What are you talking about? All I ever do is speak from the heart. O- What are you talking about? I speak only my true feelings.
  59. [ルーナ] へー。 本心、ね。 T- Oh really? From the heart, huh? O- Really. Your true feelings, huh? [Hold on to your butt, here it comes.]
  60. [ラズワルド] 僕は本当に、 ルーナのことを可愛いと思っているんだよ? T- I really do think you're cute, Luna, is that so bad? O- Just so! For example, I truly feel that you are the very image of loveliness.
  61. [ルーナ] 残念だけど、 あんたにそんなこと言われても… T- Unfortunately for you, no matter what you say ... O- You know what? No. This time I'm not going to just get upset.
  62. あたしはもう、
  63. うろたえたりしないんだから!
  64. T- It's not going to get unnerve me or get me flustered anymore! O- Nope...I'm going to give you a taste of your own medicine...
  65. むしろ逆に、あたしがあんたを
  66. うろたえさせてあげるわ!
  67. T- In fact, I'm going to do it to you! O- Loverboy!
  68. [ラズワルド] ぼ、僕をうろたえさせる? T- Y-you're going to unnerve me? O- Huh?
  69. [ルーナ] じーっ… T- [Japanese onomatopoeia for staring intensely.] *O- Hey there, baaaby.**
  70. [ラズワルド] ルーナ? な、何で僕を見つめるのさ? T- Luna? W-why are you staring at me like that? O- S-Selena? What are you doing?
  71. [ルーナ] じーっ、じーっ、じーっ… T- [Japanese onomatopoeia for staring intensely.] *O- Mmm-hmm. Momma thinks you'll do juuust fine. Let me feel those arms!** [Added line, not in the original]O- Woo! Shivers! A big hunk like you is just what the healer ordered.
  72. [ラズワルド] や、やめてよルーナ… すごく…恥ずかしいよ… T- S-stop, Luna ... it's really ... embarrassing. *O- Stop it, Selena... Please... No! Stop! Don't come any closer!**
  73. これ以上、見つめられたら…
  74. 僕、本当に顔から火が出ちゃうよ…
  75. T- If you keep looking at me like that ... I, I feel like my face is going to burst into flames ... O- [blank]
  76. [ルーナ] じーっ、じーっ、じーっ… T- [Japanese onomatopoeia for staring intensely.] O- Aw, you're adorable when you're embarrassed, Lazzy. Me likey. [Added line, not in the original]O- Come on now, let's go get some tea, baby. I promise it'll be...hot.
  77. [ラズワルド] お、お願いだから… これ以上は…もう止めて… T- P-please ... No more ... stop it already ... O- P-please...no...more... You're making me very uncomfortable, Selena!
  78. [ルーナ] 嫌よ! T- Hell no! O- Oh, really? Never stops you, does it, you lunk? [Added line, not in the original]O- Gods, I can't believe I just did that. I wanted to throw chunks.
  79. [ラズワルド] うわっ、そ、そんなハッキリ? T- Jeez, d-did you have to blast it out like that? O- [blank]
  80. [ルーナ] これは罰なのよ! T- Consider this your punishment! O- [blank]
  81. 無闇に女の子を口説いて回り…
  82. いたずらに女心をかき乱している罰よ!
  83. T- A punishment for going around and seducing girls without any consideration ... a punishment for playing around with women's hearts like it's some kind of joke! O- [blank]
  84. [ラズワルド] ぼ、僕は別に、 そんなつもりはないんだけどな… T- I-I never meant to do anything like that ... [Added line, not in the original]O- Ah...is it really that bad when I flirt? O- I never meant to make anyone feel like that...
  85. [ルーナ] 女心っていうのは、 とても繊細で純粋なものなのよ! T- A woman's heart is a pure and delicate thing not to be trifled with! O- Do you get it now? Throwing out all those empty compliments isn't nice.
  86. あんたが
  87. どんなつもりかは関係ないわ!
  88. T- Whether you planned to do it or not is irrelevant! O- And even if they were welcome, you can't just play with people's hearts like that!
  89. ほーら、ほら!
  90. もっと恥ずかしがりなさい!
  91. T- You see now? You ought to feel all that shame you heaped on others! O- [blank]
  92. あんたもとくと味わえばいいのよ!
  93. T- It's high time you got a dose of your own medicine! O- [blank]
  94. 挨拶ついでに口説かれて、
  95. 恥ずかしい思いをした子たちの気持ちをね!
  96. T- Now you know what it feels like when all those girls get embarrassed by your flirtatious greetings. O- [blank]
  97. [ラズワルド] あ、あああ…恥ずかしい… そんなに見つめないでよ…ルーナ… T- A-aah ... how embarrassing ... don't stare at me like that ... Luna ... O- [blank]
  98. The next part is completely added and has nothing to do with the Japanese original:
  99. **Laslow: But that was never my intention.
  100. Selena: I don't care what your intentions are! It's not your intentions that matter. It's how the other person feels. Do you get it yet?
  101. Laslow: OK! I'm sorry! I'll probably think about flirting in a slightly different way! That is, if you'll do me the honor of helping me learn how. Over tea, perhaps?
  102. Selena: Really? Really?! Ugh, I give up! You're impossible!
  103. (Selena leaves)
  104. Laslow: Selena? Hey, I was just teasing! Come back!**
  105. Is it clearer now why I think it's so fucked up?
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  107.  
  108. Here it's more apparent why the cut line in the C conversation takes away a lot of meaning behind their discussion of their previous home, there's also an odd insertion of "Odin" in this conversation, this just confuses the reader more because of the lack of mention of their "previous home". Selena continues to suffer from having her character being exaggerated and putting Lazwald down some more. The original Selena is still giving him more space to breathe instead.
  109.  
  110. Lazwald is also no longer portrayed as being oblivious and lacking self-awareness, but as an annoyance.
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  112. A conversation:
  113.  
  114. https://karasucorps.wordpress.com/2016/03/24/fire-emblem-fates-support-conversation-lazwald-x-luna-a/ - fan translation
  115. http://serenesforest.net/wiki/index.php/Fates_Supports/Laslow_Selena#A_Support - localization
  116.  
  117. I'm sorry, but instead of having it line by line, we changed format:
  118.  
  119. B- [blank], wasn't translated A- added line, not in the original D- different character is speaking on this line in the official translation C- line drastically changed from the original S- same line, same character, you can decide whether the differences matter
  120. S Lazwald: Hey, Luna. / ラズワルド: やぁ、ルーナ。
  121. S Luna: Lazwald ... / ルーナ: ラズワルド…
  122. S Lazwald: You totally got me the last time we met! / ラズワルド: もう…この前は参ったよ。
  123. C I thought I was going to die to from embarrassment if you stared at me like that any longer! / あんなに見つめられて、恥ずかしくて死ぬかと思っちゃった。
  124. A
  125. C Luna: Y-yeah well about that ... I'm sorry. / ルーナ: そ、そう…それは悪かったわね…
  126. A
  127. C Lazwald: You've got this downtrodden look about you? What's this all about? / ラズワルド:あれ?今日は元気ない感じだね?
  128. C It's not like you to just meekly apologize, Luna ... are you coming down with something? / ルーナが素直に謝るなんて…熱でもあるの?
  129. S Luna: What! How rude! I've no fever! / ルーナ: はあ!? 失礼ね!熱なんかないわよ!!
  130. S It's just ... maybe I've been thinking about old times ... / ただ…昔のことを思い出してたっていうか…
  131. B ............ / …………
  132. C Lazwald: I guess remembering the world we came from has put you in a somber mood? / ラズワルド: 元の世界を思い出して寂しくなっちゃった感じなのかな?
  133. A
  134. C Luna: I-I’m not in a somber mood! But now that you mention our world … / ルーナ: あ、あたしは寂しくなんかないわ!元の世界って言ったって…
  135. B It's been such a long time since our rightful place, if you can call it that, was taken from us. / あたしたちの本当の居場所なんてとっくの昔に無くなっちゃった…
  136. S … There’s no point in bringing it up now. I’m fine … it doesn’t bother me at all. / …だから今さら何とも思わないわ。全然…へっちゃらだもん…
  137. S Lazwald: Luna ... / ラズワルド: ルーナ…
  138. B ............ / …………
  139. C I guess if you think about it, we've come a long way, haven't we? / まぁ、考えてみれば…ずいぶんと遠くへ来ちゃったもんね。
  140. B Sometimes I remember it too. The world we were born in. / 僕もたまに思い出すんだ。僕たちの生まれた世界のこと。
  141. B No matter how much we fight here, we're never getting it back ... / ここでいくら闘っても、もう取り戻せないのに…
  142. S Even now, I'll think of it. About how great it would be if everyone could return home ... / 今でもやっぱり、考えちゃうんだよね。もし、みんな元に戻ったら…って。
  143. S Luna: Lazwald ... ルーナ:  ラズワルド…
  144. S Lazwald: Don't look at me like that. Look, what I want to say is ... / ラズワルド:なんてね。とにかく僕が言いたかったのは…
  145. S I understand how you feel when you get homesick, Luna! / ルーナが寂しくなる気持ちは、僕にもわかるなーってこと!
  146. S Luna: I thought I already told you I'm not lonely! / ルーナ: だ、だから、あたしは別に寂しくなんてないわ!
  147. S Lazwald: Ahaha. My bad, my bad! / ラズワルド: あはは。ごめんごめん。
  148. S Luna: C-certainly there are times when I feel a little ... tiny bit homesick, but ... / ルーナ: た、確かに、少しだけ…ほんの少しだけ寂しくなるときもあるけど…
  149. S Lazwald: But what? / ラズワルド: あるけど?
  150. C Luna: I guess you're here with me ... maybe that's why I don't feel alone ... / ルーナ: まあ、あんたもいるしね…孤独って感じではないかも…
  151. S Lazwald: That's the spirit. I'll stick with you wherever you go, Luna! / ラズワルド: そうそう。ルーナには僕がついてるよ。
  152. B So come on, put on your usual smile! Smile! / だから、ほら、いつもみたいに笑って笑って!
  153. C Luna: W-whenever I'm with you, I'm more likely to be enraged than smiling! / ルーナ: あ、あんたと一緒にいるときは、笑ってるより怒ってることの方が多いわよ!
  154. C Lazwald: Ahaha! It has always been that way, hasn't it? / ラズワルド: あはは!確かにそうだったね。
  155. C Hey, if it's worth anything to you, I'll always be by your side. / まぁ、僕でよければ、いつでもルーナの側にいてあげるからね。
  156. C Luna: D-don't get the wrong idea! It's just my rotten luck that fate has saddled me with you! / ルーナ: か、勘違いしないでよね!あんたとはただの腐れ縁なんだから!
  157. C Lazwald: Rotten luck is still luck, you know. If you need something, you can confide in me anytime. / ラズワルド: 腐れ縁でも縁は縁だよ。何かあったらいつでも言って。
  158. A
  159. C Luna: H-hmph! The way you get all pumped up about it really gets my goat ... / ルーナ: ふ、ふんだっ!得意げで腹立つわね…
  160. A
  161. C But ... yeah ... / でも…その…
  162. C ... thanks. You cheered me up ... just a little bit. / …ありがとね。ちょっとだけ…元気出たわ。
  163. S Lazwald: Cool, no problem. / ラズワルド: うん。どういたしまして。
  164.  
  165. If you have problems, do tell.
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  167.  
  168. Lazwald's change to being an "annoyance" is now part of his character in the S support, changing his way of approaching Selena again, taking away from the purpose of the conversation. Most likely because they had to put something in there after they've already changed Lazwald's character in the same support string.
  169.  
  170. Odin's insertion is another reminder of discontinuity in the conversations not being fixed properly.
  171.  
  172. There are various other lines that were altered or cut to change their interactions and character. For example, Selena doesn't show her less rough side of her character, every mention of it has been cut out or altered in the localization, embarrassment and bashfulness seem to be a target for alteration for whatever reason. As usual, romance, nuance and depth have been shred apart (and probably in this case because they wanted to fit Selena completely in the "Tsundere" character trope without having her also resort to physical violence).
  173.  
  174. S support
  175. --
  176. https://karasucorps.wordpress.com/2016/03/24/fire-emblem-fates-support-conversation-lazwald-x-luna-s/ - fan translation
  177. http://serenesforest.net/wiki/index.php/Fates_Supports/Laslow_Selena#S_Support - Localized
  178.  
  179. Here we finally go. As with the last, I'll put a bold letter by each line showing you the following things:
  180. B- [blank], wasn't translated A- added line, not in the original D- different character is speaking on this line in the official translation C- line drastically changed from the original S- same line, same character, you can decide whether the differences matter
  181. Here we go, once more into the Treehouse shit show!
  182. S Lazwald: Luna, I have a gift for you today! / ラズワルド: ルーナ。今日は君に贈り物があるんだ。
  183. C Luna: Lazwald ... what's with you all of a sudden? / ルーナ: ラズワルド…急にどうしたっていうの?
  184. C Lazwald: It's this bracelet ... I wonder if you'll accept it? / ラズワルド: この腕輪なんだけど…受け取ってもらえないかな?
  185. S Luna: !! That ... b-bracelet ... / ルーナ: !! う、腕輪…それって…
  186. S Lazwald: I've always kept it safe, so that I might one day pass it on to you. / ラズワルド: いつか君に渡せるようにって、ずっと大切にしまっておいたんだ。
  187. S Luna: B-but, why now ... why give it to me now? / ルーナ: で、でも、どうして今…それをあたしにくれるの?
  188. S Lazwald: Ahaha! Why do you think? / ラズワルド: あはは。なんでだと思う?
  189. S Luna: I'm the one asking the questions here! Tell me why you're doing this, right now! / ルーナ: き、聞いてるのはあたしよ!早く理由を教えなさいよ!
  190. C Lazwald: Okay ... well I thought about it a lot ... / ラズワルド: うん…よく考えたんだけどさ…
  191. C After all that thought, I came to the conclusion that I love you. I want to be with you forever. / 僕はやっぱり、ルーナが好きだよ。ずっとルーナと一緒にいたいんだ。
  192. S Luna: ............ ルーナ:  …………
  193. ** C** Lazwald: And so I thought to give you this bracelet. / ラズワルド:それで、この腕輪をルーナに渡したいなって思ったんだよ。
  194. A
  195. A
  196. C Luna: I got that part of it! / ルーナ: そ、それはわかってるわよ!
  197. B You really thought ... you wanted to be together with me forever, are you sure? / あんたはあたしと…ずっと一緒にいたいって思ったのよね?
  198. S Lazwald: Yep. I'm sure! / ラズワルド: うん。そうだよ。
  199. C Luna: So you've got the bracelet ... that you want to give me ... / ルーナ: それで、その腕輪を…あたしに贈るってことは…
  200. S What I mean to say is ... come on ... don't you have something else to tell me? / つまり…ほら…何か他にも言うことがあるんじゃない?
  201. S Lazwald: I don't know? What could you possibly be talking about? / ラズワルド: さぁ?なんのことだろう?
  202. S Luna: Erg, I just can't stand it anymore! Why are you so thick? / ルーナ: ああ、もう!なんでこんなににぶいのよ!
  203. S Lazwald: Ahaha, it's a joke, Luna. / ラズワルド: あはは。冗談だよ、ルーナ。
  204. S Luna: What's a j-joke? / ルーナ: じょ、冗談!?
  205. A
  206. S Lazwald: I do love you. Consider this bracelet my vow of love to you. / ラズワルド: 僕は君を愛してる。この腕輪はそれを誓う腕輪だよ。
  207. A
  208. S Luna: Ah- ... / ルーナ: あっ…
  209. C Lazwald: So can you see it in your heart to maybe ...to marry me? / ラズワルド: だから、どうか…僕と結婚してくれないかな?
  210. C Luna: Finally! Why don't you just say it honestly from the start! / ルーナ: も、もうっ!最初から素直にそう言ってよね!
  211. S Lazwald: Well ... will you tell me your answer? / ラズワルド: それで…ルーナの返事を聞いてもいいかな?
  212. C Luna: I-I ... what could I say ... it's ... / ルーナ: あ、あたしは…なんていうか…その…
  213. S We've known each for so long, y-you know what my answer is without me even saying it! / な、長い付き合いなんだから、言わなくたってわかってるでしょ!?
  214. C Lazwald: Nope. Don't know. Not if you don't tell me out loud. / ラズワルド: いや、わからないよ。はっきり言ってくれないとね。
  215. S Luna: Ugh ... you're such a tease ... / ルーナ: ううう…意地悪…
  216. B Despite the fact that you know very well ... what my feelings are ... / あたしの気持ちなんて…わかりきってるくせに…
  217. C Lazwald: Ahaha, come on, let me hear it. I can't wait! / ラズワルド: あはは。ほら、早く聞かせてよ。
  218. C Luna: ............ / ルーナ: …………
  219. B I-I ... love you ... too ... / あ、あたしも…あんたのことが…好き…
  220. B I always have ... I always will, no matter where we end up ... I love you. / 今までも…これからも、どこに行っても…すきよ。
  221. C Lazwald: Mm-hmm ... / ラズワルド: うん…
  222. C Luna: So ... I guess I have nothing better to do than let you marry me! / ルーナ: だ、だから…仕方ないから結婚してあげるわ!
  223. C Lazwald: Thank you ... ! With this promise, we'll ... never be torn apart from each other. / ラズワルド: ありがとう…!これで僕たちは…一生離れられないね。
  224. S Luna: W-well said ... but I'm warning you, if you don't make me happy, you'll never hear the end of it ... / ルーナ: そ、そうよ…幸せにしなかったら、許さないんだから…
  225. C Lazwald: I know, I know. I'll definitely make you happy, your highness! / ラズワルド: わかってる。絶対しあわせにするよ、お姫様!
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