Xen

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[16:13:18] <@Metalhead> This is insane.
[16:14:19] <@Metalhead> I was hoping not to have another admin outburst like the last so the community wouldn't rampage all over it. And this happens?
[16:14:27] <@Metalhead> Bloody fucking retarded,.
[16:14:59] <@Carnevil> I really don't want to cause any trouble, but
[16:15:04] <@Carnevil> I feel like this is the only way to get my site back
[16:15:34] <@Metalhead> You mean your domain name.
[16:15:43] <@Carnevil> And the site
[16:16:04] <@Carnevil> The domain name doesn't mean too much without a site behind it
[16:16:23] <@Metalhead> Are you going to continue to develope Skulltag?
[16:16:26] <@Metalhead> (again)
[16:16:39] <@Carnevil> I doubt it
[16:16:41] <@Carnevil> Does it matter?
[16:16:44] <@Metalhead> Yep.
[16:16:49] <@Carnevil> Lucas isn't making any more Star Wars movies, is he?
[16:16:58] <@Metalhead> This isn't star wars.
[16:17:04] <@Carnevil> No, it's not
[16:17:06] <@Metalhead> And I'm not a pro in the star wars department.
[16:17:08] <@Carnevil> But the principle is the same
[16:17:24] <@Carnevil> I've put more blood, sweat, and tears into ST than all of you combined
[16:17:27] <@Carnevil> I created it
[16:17:29] <@Metalhead> Are you seirous
[16:17:31] <@Carnevil> And I'll continue to oversee it
[16:17:47] <@Metalhead> That's why you had no more then 20 people playing at a time right?
[16:17:51] <@Metalhead> And once you left
[16:17:57] <@Metalhead> It coincedently grew
[16:17:59] <@Metalhead> And became huge.
[16:18:03] <@Carnevil> That's not true at all
[16:18:13] <@Carnevil> It was pretty big in my day
[16:18:15] <@Carnevil> And it was growing
[16:18:21] <@Carnevil> It got bigger when I left, sure
[16:18:40] <@Carnevil> And that's a result of it being managed fairly well, and a result of the growth from what I had built
[16:18:47] <@Carnevil> It takes time for something to get popular and propagate
[16:18:59] <@Carnevil> You act like because you guys happened to be in charge when it became #1
[16:19:02] <@Carnevil> That it was all your doing
[16:19:21] <@Metalhead> Well. the devs and current admins really did have something to do with that/.
[16:19:29] <@Carnevil> It's like if you walk onto the court at the last second and drain a 3 to win the game
[16:19:32] <@Carnevil> You act like you won it
[16:19:39] <@Carnevil> And they've done a good job for the most part
[16:19:48] <@Carnevil> Could it be better? Sure
[16:19:51] <@Carnevil> Could it be worse? Sure
[16:20:06] <@Carnevil> Would I do things differently? Absolutely
[16:20:13] <@Metalhead> Sounds like you're saying Torr didn't put alot of blood and sweat into this port, same with Rive, and myself and many others.
[16:20:15] <@Carnevil> But I've sat back for the most part and let you guys all do your thing
[16:20:28] <@Carnevil> All I'm saying is that I've put a lot more in
[16:21:01] <@Carnevil> And plus
[16:21:05] <@Carnevil> I created it
[16:21:09] <@Carnevil> It would be nice if you would respect that
[16:21:17] <@Carnevil> I put you guys in charge to manage it
[16:21:19] <@Carnevil> Not own it
[16:21:25] <@SoulPriestess> You created it. You coded a lot of what became part of its success. But there were others involved too. Skulltag is not solely you.
[16:21:29] <@SoulPriestess> yeah
[16:21:33] <@SoulPriestess> maybe I didn't do much to help
[16:21:36] <@Metalhead> Sure I do, but honestly it doesn't give you the right to bring the community down with you.
[16:21:37] <@SoulPriestess> other than the new skulltag.wad
[16:21:40] <@SoulPriestess> but Torr did
[16:21:45] <@Carnevil> Who said I'm bringing it down
[16:21:54] <@Carnevil> You all act like I have some sort of death with
[16:21:55] <@Carnevil> *wish
[16:21:56] <@Carnevil> I don't
[16:21:57] <@Metalhead> [17:15] <@Metalhead> Are you going to continue to develope Skulltag?
[16:21:57] <@Metalhead> [17:15] <@Metalhead> (again)
[16:21:57] <@Metalhead> [17:16] <@Carnevil> I doubt it
[16:22:05] <@Carnevil> And that means I want it to crumble?
[16:22:08] <@Carnevil> That's not what I'm after
[16:22:14] <@Carnevil> I just want my site back
[16:22:37] <@Carnevil> And I don't want people who've been here for two months (hello, SP) bossing me around and telling me what to do and stripping my power
[16:22:53] <@Carnevil> I don't think that is so unreasonable
[16:22:55] <@SoulPriestess> I never bossed you around, not once.
[16:23:09] <@SoulPriestess> I told you what we wanted, yes, but I said WE, not me.
[16:23:14] <@Carnevil> You took my website, access, changed the DNS
[16:23:33] <@SoulPriestess> and that's how I'll always go down in the history books
[16:23:37] <@SoulPriestess> even though it's not true
[16:23:46] <@SoulPriestess> shame
[16:23:47] <@SoulPriestess> real shame
[16:23:56] <@SoulPriestess> but not many people believe you anymore anyway
[16:23:57] <@Carnevil> And I'll go down as a total jerk
[16:24:00] <@Carnevil> When all I want is my site back
[16:24:07] <@Carnevil> No, they don't
[16:24:09] <@Carnevil> And thanks for that
[16:24:38] <@SoulPriestess> even before my post
[16:24:39] <@Carnevil> I just want my site back
[16:24:40] <@SoulPriestess> they wouldn't have
[16:24:46] <@Carnevil> I don't want to destroy Skulltag
[16:25:08] <@SoulPriestess> Carnevil, you've garnered a REAL bad reputation over the years. Even before I came to Skulltag, it was bad.
[16:25:19] <@Carnevil> That's my right, isn't it?
[16:25:29] <@Carnevil> And do you know why I have a bad reputation
[16:25:29] <@SoulPriestess> so don't pin it on me that no one will believe you
[16:25:31] <@SoulPriestess> that's your own doing
[16:25:35] <@Carnevil> Because Skulltag is a multiplayer Doom port
[16:25:42] <@Carnevil> And multiplayer ports tend to attract competitive people
[16:25:48] <@Carnevil> Competitive people tend to be assholes
[16:25:55] <@Carnevil> And I ban a lot of popular, but trolling people
[16:25:59] <@Carnevil> So they go harm my reputation
[16:26:05] <@Carnevil> I'm willing to accept it
[16:26:14] <@Carnevil> I'll do unpopular things for the good of the port
[16:26:21] <@Carnevil> So, you know
[16:26:23] <@Carnevil> Whatever
[16:26:29] <@Carnevil> Make me out to be a jerk
[16:26:32] <@Carnevil> I just want what I created back
[16:26:42] <@Carnevil> If that's such a bad thing
[16:26:46] <@Carnevil> Go ahead and crucify me now
[16:26:46] <@Metalhead> Do you think the site is currently in bad hands?
[16:27:09] <@Carnevil> I don't see how that's relevant
[16:27:22] <@Metalhead> It's a question, I don't see why you can't answer it.
[16:27:32] <@Carnevil> Because I don't see what the point is
[16:27:37] <@Carnevil> Why don't you ask me if I like lolipops or not
[16:27:52] <@Metalhead> I think I have your answer.
[16:27:53] <@Metalhead> Thanks.
[16:28:07] <@Carnevil> I don't think it's in bad hands
[16:28:15] <@Carnevil> There's your REAL answer
[16:28:22] <@Metalhead> Then why not leave it all in one place.
[16:28:33] <@Carnevil> Because it's not in great hands
[16:28:39] <@Carnevil> And because it's mine
[16:28:47] <@Carnevil> Like I said
[16:28:51] <@Carnevil> I gave it to you all to MANAGE
[16:28:52] <@Carnevil> Not to OWN
[16:28:58] <@Carnevil> I was far too trusting of Rive with his powers
[16:29:06] <@Carnevil> And he took advantage of me and took my site away
[16:29:10] <@Carnevil> So now it's in your guys hands
[16:29:12] <@Metalhead> Rive is a great guy, and a great leader.
[16:29:15] <@Carnevil> And you don't want to give it back
[16:29:20] <@Carnevil> Really
[16:29:22] <@Metalhead> Really.
[16:29:26] <@Carnevil> Because that's not what you say in private
[16:29:35] <@Metalhead> What do I say in private
[16:29:47] <@SoulPriestess> He's changed with his weaknesses, he's changed what we don't like about him
[16:29:56] <@Metalhead> And he's put effort into that too.
[16:30:04] <@Metalhead> Anything I've said to you, I've gone to him about!
[16:30:04] <@Carnevil> Mmm hmm
[16:30:09] <@Carnevil> Fine
[16:30:12] <@Metalhead> Because unlike you
[16:30:22] <@Metalhead> He made me feel like ...Well made us feel like we could go to him about anything
[16:30:32] <@Carnevil> You're right
[16:30:41] <@Carnevil> I'm such a jerk and would always tell you to go fuck off when you came to me about stuff
[16:30:44] <@Carnevil> I bit your head right off
[16:30:50] <@Carnevil> Give me a break
[16:30:57] <@Carnevil> I'd come on TS and entertain you
[16:31:06] <@Carnevil> But I guess people don't respect clowns
[16:31:15] <@SoulPriestess> Rive doesn't go on a banning spree when I say something I don't like. Rive doesn't go on a banning spree when an admin steps out of line. Rive doesn't hold grudges and steps in to take advantage of a situation to his own end to deadmin an admin he doesn't like.
[16:31:21] <@Carnevil> SP
[16:31:24] <@Carnevil> What banning spree have I gone on
[16:31:28] <@Metalhead> !
[16:31:33] <@Carnevil> I think I banned two people over the course of what
[16:31:34] <@Carnevil> Years?
[16:31:42] <@Carnevil> You call banning Ralphis a banning spree?
[16:31:45] <@Metalhead> phucket
[16:31:47] <@Metalhead> doom marine
[16:31:47] <@SoulPriestess> and phucket
[16:31:48] <@Carnevil> Do you have any clue how long he's been a troll on this forum for?
[16:31:49] <@SoulPriestess> and doom marine
[16:32:02] <@SoulPriestess> that was then
[16:32:03] <@SoulPriestess> this is now
[16:32:03] <@Carnevil> Okay so that's 3 guys who were on probation and not getting better
[16:32:12] <@Carnevil> I hardly see anything wrong with that
[16:32:24] <@SoulPriestess> Ralphis created a ripple effect
[16:32:25] <@SoulPriestess> in fact
[16:32:30] <@Carnevil> Yeah
[16:32:32] <@SoulPriestess> he's the very reason we're in this situation in the first place
[16:32:38] <@Carnevil> Which is why he should be banned in the first place
[16:32:41] <@SoulPriestess> him, and his crony russiandumbass
[16:32:42] <@Carnevil> I don't know why he was ever UN banned
[16:32:57] <@SoulPriestess> but
[16:32:59] <@SoulPriestess> we've worked with them
[16:33:03] <@SoulPriestess> we've resolved our differences
[16:33:06] <@SoulPriestess> as far as I'm concerned
[16:33:08] <@SoulPriestess> if that happens
[16:33:11] <@SoulPriestess> he doesn't need to be banned
[16:33:33] <@Carnevil> Great
[16:33:35] <@Carnevil> Let him back
[16:33:40] <@Carnevil> He'll cause more trouble and trick you again
[16:33:43] <@Carnevil> And you'll let him back
[16:34:05] <@Carnevil> You're fooling yourself if you think he's a changed man
[16:34:14] <@SoulPriestess> he probably isn't
[16:34:21] <@Carnevil> That kid's been a terror since he's been like 13
[16:34:26] <@SoulPriestess> but he'll prove it himself soon enough
[16:34:32] <@Carnevil> God didn't you read what Metal posted
[16:34:35] <@Carnevil> About his logs on that server
[16:34:37] <@Carnevil> Where he's like
[16:34:45] <@Carnevil> "haha, we tricked them. We win again! That was so easy!"
[16:34:54] <@Carnevil> But you know, whatever
[16:34:54] <@SoulPriestess> yes
[16:35:00] <@Carnevil> You conned Rivecoder into giving you the website
[16:35:00] <@SoulPriestess> personally
[16:35:02] <@Carnevil> So it's yours now
[16:35:04] <@Carnevil> Do whatever you want
[16:35:08] <@SoulPriestess> I never conned him
[16:35:12] <@SoulPriestess> I don't con
[16:35:16] <@Carnevil> Who the hell am I to make a decision
[16:35:19] <@Carnevil> Bullshit
[16:35:24] <@Metalhead> There was no conning, or nothing of that sort. We were thinking and doing what was best for the community.
[16:35:34] <@SoulPriestess> I had the resources
[16:35:35] <@Carnevil> Well, it wasn't yours to do that with
[16:35:39] <@Carnevil> But like I said
[16:35:41] <@Carnevil> That was my fault
[16:35:47] <@Carnevil> I shouldn't have been so trusting
[16:35:53] <@Carnevil> But what's done is done
[16:35:56] <@Carnevil> You have the website now
[16:36:04] <@Carnevil> Have fun with it
[16:36:14] <@Carnevil> I mean, hey
[16:36:19] <@Carnevil> You all are the greatest guys ever
[16:36:23] <@Carnevil> And I'm obviously a big jerk
[16:36:25] <@Xen> But you want the website back, so what are you getting at? You want to take the website/forums away from the developers and community, where it's currently all centralized, for what reason?
[16:36:48] <@Xen> Can you explain why you want it if not just to have it under your name?
[16:36:51] <@Carnevil> Who said it can't be developed anymore
[16:36:56] <@Carnevil> Because it's mind
[16:36:59] <@Carnevil> '*mine
[16:37:01] <@Carnevil> I'm the founder
[16:37:03] <@Carnevil> I created it
[16:37:11] <@Carnevil> By giving it to Rive to manage
[16:37:13] <@Carnevil> *manage*
[16:37:13] <@Xen> So you're going to work on Vega and Skulltag simultaniously?
[16:37:18] <@Carnevil> I never intended for him to TAKE it
[16:37:26] <@Carnevil> Hang on, phone
[16:37:48] <@Xen> You gave it to him...But you didn't expect him to take it??
[16:38:12] <@Carnevil> Yes
[16:38:18] <@Xen> So you're the founder, you were THE creator, the sole developer for a long period of time
[16:38:20] <@Carnevil> I know, I'm a fool
[16:38:33] <@Carnevil> I gave Rive power after power
[16:38:37] <@Carnevil> Privlige after privlige
[16:38:43] <@Xen> You haven't actually stepped into ST matters since you 'handed it off' until you de-admined me
[16:38:46] <@Carnevil> And he completely violated my trust in him
[16:38:49] <@Carnevil> Completely violated it
[16:39:14] <@Carnevil> Yeah and look how emboldened you are
[16:39:23] <@Carnevil> Yeah, you know, I took a hands off approach
[16:39:26] <@Carnevil> I let you guys do you think
[16:39:28] <@Xen> Well uhh that's between you and Rive, but I still don't get why you'd want to take the website away from where it is now, after giving an ultimatum
[16:39:32] <@Carnevil> Anyone who visits the forum I'm sure saw my name there a lot
[16:39:35] <@Carnevil> I kept an eye on things
[16:39:49] <@Xen> "Hey you guys have one week to get the fuck out because this domain is mine" then "Okay I want my stuff back now"
[16:40:00] <@Carnevil> I never said I want my stuff back
[16:40:03] <@Carnevil> It's all still on the old site
[16:40:06] <@Carnevil> I could care less
[16:40:10] <@Carnevil> Listen
[16:40:11] <@Xen> So what's the big deal??
[16:40:13] <@Carnevil> The ultimatum was this
[16:40:17] <@Xen> Go do what you want with it, we have Skulltag here
[16:40:19] <@Carnevil> I will give you one week to make a redirect page
[16:40:28] <@Carnevil> So that by changing the DNS
[16:40:31] <@Carnevil> I don't completely fuck the community
[16:40:34] <@Carnevil> Do you understand that now?
[16:40:35] <@Xen> Yes you were kicking us off the old domain
[16:40:42] <@Carnevil> I didn't want everyone to be fucked over
[16:40:47] <@Carnevil> I was trying to avoid that
[16:40:50] <@Carnevil> Do you understand that?
[16:41:01] <@Xen> Yeah I do
[16:41:03] <@Carnevil> I could have been a massive prick and just changed it
[16:41:07] <@Carnevil> So skulltag.com pointed to a black hole
[16:41:16] <@Carnevil> And everything got royally disrupted
[16:41:21] <@Carnevil> But I made an attempt not to do that
[16:41:42] <@Carnevil> Because contrary to popular belief
[16:41:48] <@Xen> So now what? You have the domain "because it's mine"
[16:41:48] <@Carnevil> I'm not aiming to destroy the community or anything of the sort
[16:41:51] <@Xen> What are you going to do with it?
[16:41:58] <@Carnevil> Everything is still there
[16:42:02] <@Carnevil> So I'll let it continue as normal
[16:42:06] <@Carnevil> If you guys want to be a part of it
[16:42:08] <@Carnevil> Go right ahead
[16:42:12] <@Carnevil> I'm not stopping anymore
[16:42:33] <@Xen> Wait so you kicked us off, had us change everything, only to say "Hey this is the real skulltag forum/website"?
[16:42:41] <@Xen> For what purpose?
[16:42:43] <@Carnevil> I didn't have you change anything
[16:42:53] <@Xen> Yes you did, you forced us to move
[16:42:56] <@Carnevil> No I didn't
[16:43:00] <@Carnevil> You guys moved on your own
[16:43:04] <@Carnevil> Without my permission
[16:43:08] <@Carnevil> Which is the whole reason I'm furious
[16:43:32] <@Carnevil> I changed the domain name to point back to my host as a last ditch effort at reclaiming what's mine
[16:43:33] <@Xen> So you gave us one week to make a redirect page for what, exactly?
[16:43:40] <@Xen> Since you didn't expect us to actually move
[16:43:40] <@Carnevil> Well
[16:43:47] <@Carnevil> Okay, let me explain
[16:43:55] <@Carnevil> I didn't think all of the files still existed on my host
[16:44:02] <@Carnevil> So I thought that when I changed skulltag.com back to my host
[16:44:07] <@Carnevil> It was just going to point to nothing
[16:44:18] <@Carnevil> I mean, I thought he had taken the whole site, moved it, and erased mine
[16:44:28] <@Carnevil> So I was going to give him a week to make some sort of portal page
[16:44:39] <@Xen> So now that you've learned that you have the files, you're going to run your own version of Skulltag without the IRC or development we're running?
[16:44:42] <@Carnevil> Sending everyone over there, or to hang around at the real skulltag.com for everything else
[16:44:45] <@Xen> What will that solve?
[16:45:17] <@Carnevil> Maybe nothing
[16:45:32] <@Carnevil> But it's an attempt to get my creation back
[16:46:14] <@Carnevil> And SP said she's wipe the other forum
[16:46:17] <@Carnevil> And redo the site
[16:46:23] <@Carnevil> Leaving skulltag.com still as the official one
[16:46:26] <@Carnevil> But who knows
[16:46:37] <@Carnevil> I wouldn't be surprised if she reneged on that at this point
[16:46:44] <@Carnevil> I don't care
[16:46:51] <@Carnevil> I'm very hurt by all of this
[16:47:01] <@Carnevil> I don't expect anyone to care though
[16:47:13] <@Carnevil> I think I started this thing in 1996
[16:47:20] <@Carnevil> And worked on it very, very hard for years and years
[16:47:25] <@Xen> You're very hurt? Well uh, hate to break it to you but your decision to give us an ultimatum of any kind affected all of Skulltag, especially with the emotional post you decided to put in the public news topic
[16:47:29] <@Carnevil> And no one seems to honor or respect that
[16:47:40] <@Carnevil> Oh shut up
[16:47:44] <@Xen> We have honored and respected that, by letting you keep your status
[16:47:44] <@Carnevil> You're just mad because I deadmined you
[16:47:55] <@Xen> If I was mad I would have g-lined you by now
[16:47:59] <@Carnevil> haha
[16:48:02] <@Carnevil> You're such an asshole
[16:48:05] <@Carnevil> Go ahead and do it
[16:48:09] <@Xen> No, I'm not, you just hate me
[16:48:20] <@Carnevil> It's likewise I'm sure
[16:48:32] <@Xen> Well ever since ffi_z, probably
[16:48:32] <@SoulPriestess> Xen won't g-line you
[16:48:33] <@Carnevil> You're just mad because I picked on you in the old days when you were just a whiny emo
[16:48:34] <@Xen> But that's not the point
[16:48:35] <@SoulPriestess> because he has sense
[16:48:40] <@Carnevil> And you're thrilled that the tables have turned
[16:48:43] <@SoulPriestess> he doesn't g-line people because he's mad at them
[16:48:58] <@SoulPriestess> I can't say the same for certain people
[16:49:05] <@Carnevil> Fuck you
[16:49:09] <@Carnevil> The site is yours now
[16:49:12] <@Carnevil> Do whatever you want with it
[16:49:14] <@Xen> I dunno Carn I was trying to see your side and see where you were going with the new domain but obviously you just derailed it into personal insults in an attempt to get me mad so you can point the finger and try to bring support to your side
[16:49:14] <@Carnevil> Take care, thieves
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