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Oct 10 12:04:25 <add1sun>	i'll go ahead and get started with the ole annoucements
Oct 10 12:04:34 <add1sun>	AGENDA for today:
Oct 10 12:04:38 <add1sun>	Announcements
Oct 10 12:04:41 <add1sun>	Getting Involved
Oct 10 12:04:45 <add1sun>	open editing rights
Oct 10 12:05:04 <add1sun>	we've got a coupla announcements
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Oct 10 12:05:24 <add1sun>	1. We've got tabs on the groups page!
Oct 10 12:05:51 <add1sun>	we have a tab for things like a list of long-term projects
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Oct 10 12:06:01 <wolfflow>	yeaaa we need a "Howto" pages for many g.d.o features
Oct 10 12:06:04 <add1sun>	and a place to keep track of big issues
Oct 10 12:06:05 <add1sun>	http://groups.drupal.org/node/14492/issues
Oct 10 12:06:36 <add1sun>	well we have a lil wokring group to try to wrangle g.d.o
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Oct 10 12:06:56 <add1sun>	but it is a closed group since we can't use it for "discussion"
Oct 10 12:07:04 <wolfflow>	add1sun: Really great!
Oct 10 12:07:05 <add1sun>	so only the group admins can post stuff
Oct 10 12:07:30 <add1sun>	but hopefully this can help us keep big things on radar
Oct 10 12:07:45 <add1sun>	i really encourage folks to weigh in on the issues
Oct 10 12:07:52 <add1sun>	esp the "core" ones
Oct 10 12:07:54 <jbrauer>	it looks like it will be really helpful
Oct 10 12:08:08 <add1sun>	even if you don't code
Oct 10 12:08:15 <add1sun>	your opinion matters
Oct 10 12:08:35 <add1sun>	and if the issue is listed on that page, then the community is specifically asking for it
Oct 10 12:08:58 <add1sun>	ok so next
Oct 10 12:09:00 <add1sun>	2. We now have a page status vocab on book pages
Oct 10 12:09:14 <add1sun>	pursuant to this issue: http://drupal.org/node/304826
Oct 10 12:09:19 <add1sun>	so we can mark page status
Oct 10 12:09:31 <add1sun>	we still need to *document* this though
Oct 10 12:09:36 <Senpai>	(which is totally awesome)
Oct 10 12:09:36 <add1sun>	which is why the issue is open
Oct 10 12:09:45 <esmerel>	nice
Oct 10 12:09:56 <add1sun>	so if anyone wants to take a stab at that, that would be aaweseom
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Oct 10 12:10:28 <add1sun>	ok, just two more annoucement-y thingies
Oct 10 12:10:40 <add1sun>	3. Redesign prototypes are up: http://groups.drupal.org/node/15512
Oct 10 12:10:48 <add1sun>	so please help with feedback
Oct 10 12:10:53 <add1sun>	nothing on docs yet
Oct 10 12:11:03 <add1sun>	specifically
Oct 10 12:11:14 <add1sun>	(i dare say that is a gnarly beast for them to work through)
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Oct 10 12:11:42 <add1sun>	and last announcemenet is a bit of a question from me
Oct 10 12:11:57 <add1sun>	4. I've been asked to present on Docs at the next Drupalcon
Oct 10 12:12:09 <add1sun>	do you have thoughts on what it should beabout?
Oct 10 12:12:18 <add1sun>	what would you find interesting?
Oct 10 12:12:41 <add1sun>	feel free to ping me or email if you have thoughts
Oct 10 12:12:46 <nielsbom_>	sorry I'm late
Oct 10 12:12:46 <wolfflow>	question: do some one know if there where some progress on http://drupal.org/handbook/most-popular-pages
Oct 10 12:12:52 <add1sun>	i need to respond this weeekdn or so
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Oct 10 12:13:03 <wolfflow>	and related issue http://drupal.org/node/312484
Oct 10 12:13:12 <add1sun>	wolfflow, not as far as i know
Oct 10 12:13:34 <emmajane>	add1sun: respond re. Drupalcon?
Oct 10 12:13:44 <add1sun>	emmajane, yep
Oct 10 12:13:56 <Senpai>	addi: I'll email you with an idea.
Oct 10 12:14:03 <wolfflow>	I call for contribution because that will be very important utility to focus on Docs to watchout , thouth
Oct 10 12:14:04 <add1sun>	i need to get back to the organizers with at least a general idea of what the presentation would be about
Oct 10 12:14:39 <add1sun>	wolfflow, well we need ideas for how to track it without using statistics module
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Oct 10 12:14:53 <ChrisCharlton>	hi all.
Oct 10 12:15:08 <emmajane>	add1sun: (1) general state of documentation (2) participation on team (how to/ current members) and (3) report on what happened when we opened up the editing?
Oct 10 12:15:09 <add1sun>	does anyone else have announcements or questions so far?
Oct 10 12:15:24 <wolfflow>	add1sun: maybe with view module ....
Oct 10 12:15:27 <add1sun>	emmajane, ah yeah
Oct 10 12:15:42 <emmajane>	add1sun: I'm sure that's enough of a placeholder for the organizers. :)
Oct 10 12:16:01 *	esmerel adds 'status of the redesign' to emma's list:)
Oct 10 12:16:11 <add1sun>	wolfflow, perhaps. we can suggest that and maybe include a views export in the issue
Oct 10 12:16:16 <esmerel>	though hopefully that'll be pretty much done by then:)
Oct 10 12:16:27 <add1sun>	esmerel, heh, well we shall see :)
Oct 10 12:16:41 <add1sun>	but yeah, even "the impact of the redesign on docs"
Oct 10 12:16:51 <esmerel>	yeah
Oct 10 12:17:07 <add1sun>	ok cool
Oct 10 12:17:54 <add1sun>	so, on to the agenda
Oct 10 12:18:12 <add1sun>	First up: the Getting Involved guide is live :)
Oct 10 12:18:21 <add1sun>	http://drupal.org/getting-involved
Oct 10 12:18:25 <emmajane>	\o/
Oct 10 12:18:42 <esmerel>	yaay
Oct 10 12:18:46 <add1sun>	so thanks to everyone that has been working on it for the last forever
Oct 10 12:18:50 <_JohnNoc_>	:-)
Oct 10 12:18:51 <add1sun>	;)
Oct 10 12:18:54 <CrashTest_>	Awesome!
Oct 10 12:19:03 <wolfflow>	:-)
Oct 10 12:19:08 <add1sun>	BUT
Oct 10 12:19:16 <add1sun>	that said, we still have more to do ;)
Oct 10 12:19:24 <dellintosh>	:)
Oct 10 12:19:39 <add1sun>	we've got some landing page cleanup and nips and tucks
Oct 10 12:19:40 <add1sun>	http://drupal.org/project/issues?projects=18753&text=Getting%20Involved:&states=1,16,8,13,14,15,2,4
Oct 10 12:19:55 <add1sun>	that is the list of current open issues for it
Oct 10 12:20:27 <add1sun>	(and you can find the latest deal at http://groups.drupal.org/node/14492/projects)
Oct 10 12:20:51 <add1sun>	basically, i think we can clean up the landing pages that we know need to be filled out a bit
Oct 10 12:20:56 <add1sun>	and call most of it "done"
Oct 10 12:21:07 <add1sun>	the other cleanup tasks and refinements
Oct 10 12:21:17 <add1sun>	will happen normally like all the other books now
Oct 10 12:21:37 <add1sun>	so if folks could try to knock these last few out
Oct 10 12:21:52 <add1sun>	we can move on and bask in the glory :)
Oct 10 12:22:16 <add1sun>	other than that, all i have to say is "you guys frickin rock"
Oct 10 12:23:02 <add1sun>	if no one has any questions or comments re: getting involved, we can move on to the next item
Oct 10 12:23:13 <ChrisCharlton>	sweet, that list seems quite reasonable
Oct 10 12:23:14 <emmajane>	any updates from the people that have assigned themselves to those tasks in the issue queue?
Oct 10 12:23:55 <add1sun>	i think most of those assignments are from several months ago
Oct 10 12:25:05 <add1sun>	okey dokey
Oct 10 12:25:11 <add1sun>	onto the biggie for today
Oct 10 12:25:22 <add1sun>	Open editing rights for all auth users
Oct 10 12:25:29 <add1sun>	we have already decided this
Oct 10 12:25:31 <wolfflow>	BTW  do you feel that a distintion for "Issue" status are necessary for doc-Team issue and the other types of issues?
Oct 10 12:25:52 <add1sun>	and here is the issue for it to "do" it http://drupal.org/node/310912
Oct 10 12:26:10 <add1sun>	wolfflow, well unfortunately we can;t have a diff status list
Oct 10 12:26:14 <add1sun>	on issues right now
Oct 10 12:26:25 <add1sun>	because it is hard-coded in project module
Oct 10 12:26:39 <add1sun>	so we have to use it as is
Oct 10 12:26:57 <add1sun>	but if you want to work on changes to it - that would be in the project module issue queue
Oct 10 12:27:21 <add1sun>	OK, so to actually open up the rights
Oct 10 12:27:26 <add1sun>	we have to do a fewe things first
Oct 10 12:27:30 <wolfflow>	No what I mean is that we supply a definition difference in the already published  http://drupal.org/node/314328
Oct 10 12:27:38 <add1sun>	Namely we need to pick dates
Oct 10 12:28:07 <add1sun>	wolfflow, yes we need to describe and define the differences
Oct 10 12:28:20 <add1sun>	wolfflow, let's continue this discussion
Oct 10 12:28:21 <rcross>	are there any good free/open source options for doing screencasts?
Oct 10 12:28:29 <add1sun>	once we have the editing rights stuff sorted out
Oct 10 12:28:31 <wolfflow>	ok
Oct 10 12:28:51 <add1sun>	rcross, there is a handbook page in the videocasts section
Oct 10 12:29:01 <add1sun>	about making your own
Oct 10 12:29:04 <jbrauer>	As far as dates are there constraints about what that should be?
Oct 10 12:29:19 <add1sun>	jbrauer, well the first run will for one month
Oct 10 12:29:21 <rcross>	add1sun: ok, been reading through drupal-dojo docs... i'll try looking again
Oct 10 12:29:42 <add1sun>	so i'd like to not have that month *end* during the US thanksgiving week
Oct 10 12:29:54 <jbrauer>	so maybe starting 10/15
Oct 10 12:30:09 <add1sun>	sp yeah, i was thinking next week would be good
Oct 10 12:30:18 <esmerel>	I was gonna say, the holidays are definitely coming up soon so we should do it soon or accept that things are gonna be screwy and possibly not a good trial:)
Oct 10 12:30:26 <emmajane>	(Canadian Thanksgiving is this weekend... not that that affects anything.)
Oct 10 12:30:32 <add1sun>	but before we set a start date - we have tasks to be done *before* we do it
Oct 10 12:30:45 <emmajane>	(And the Canadian Federal election is the 14th)
Oct 10 12:30:46 <add1sun>	1. Figure out what to restrict, started here   http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/2008-September/006299.html
Oct 10 12:30:46 <add1sun>	2. Go through and change format to "lock" them
Oct 10 12:30:46 <add1sun>	3. Announce on d.o Front Page
Oct 10 12:31:27 <jbrauer>	1 and 3 are team things and 2 is a webmaster/higher perms issue?
Oct 10 12:31:27 <add1sun>	so, i am fine with setting a date next week
Oct 10 12:31:37 <add1sun>	but i can't do all of this myself :)
Oct 10 12:31:57 <add1sun>	jbrauer, no, docs team can do 2
Oct 10 12:32:06 <add1sun>	we just need them set to the doc team format
Oct 10 12:32:17 <ChrisCharlton>	is that an input format?
Oct 10 12:32:18 <add1sun>	to lock them from regualr auth users
Oct 10 12:32:22 <ChrisCharlton>	or a flag?
Oct 10 12:32:22 <add1sun>	ChrisCharlton, yes
Oct 10 12:32:27 <jbrauer>	ah cool
Oct 10 12:32:28 <add1sun>	input format
Oct 10 12:32:46 <jbrauer>	well I can certainly help out with all of those
Oct 10 12:33:06 <ChrisCharlton>	no batch script someone wants to add to the Content search admin screen ;)
Oct 10 12:33:30 <add1sun>	ChrisCharlton, heh, well the problem is that we are cherry-picking
Oct 10 12:33:35 <ChrisCharlton>	gtocha!
Oct 10 12:33:37 <add1sun>	so we can't script it
Oct 10 12:33:45 <jbrauer>	would love to have a final list of the pages we're protecting by monday... and then that would give us a couple of days on protecting and the front page post which can run at the same time
Oct 10 12:33:57 <add1sun>	jbrauer, yep, that would be awesome
Oct 10 12:34:27 <jbrauer>	add1sun: don't want a cherry-picking SQL query to run on d.o ... where's your sense of adventure :)
Oct 10 12:34:33 <add1sun>	hahaha
Oct 10 12:35:00 <add1sun>	oh crud
Oct 10 12:35:13 <add1sun>	i have an emergency call i have to be on in 10 minutes
Oct 10 12:35:16 <add1sun>	ok
Oct 10 12:35:25 *	jbrauer types faster
Oct 10 12:35:34 <add1sun>	heh, ok so
Oct 10 12:35:42 <Senpai>	Basically, any handbook node with an input format of "Documentation" will be un-available for normal users to edit. Any page with "filtered HTML" is then wiki-style.
Oct 10 12:35:49 <add1sun>	let's make a goal of the miain list of pages to lock by monday
Oct 10 12:35:56 <add1sun>	Senpai, correct
Oct 10 12:36:04 <add1sun>	and PLEASE keep in mind
Oct 10 12:36:10 <add1sun>	that we should be very selective
Oct 10 12:36:11 <jbrauer>	I'll make a wiki page on g.d.o to list the pages to be protected
Oct 10 12:36:17 <add1sun>	*most* pages should be avaiable to people
Oct 10 12:36:25 <add1sun>	jbrauer, aweseom - thank you
Oct 10 12:36:30 <emmajane>	add1sun: e.g. top-level "intro" pages should be locked?
Oct 10 12:36:37 <add1sun>	emmajane, yes
Oct 10 12:36:37 <Senpai>	yeah, only lonk them if there's a very compelling reason.
Oct 10 12:36:41 <Senpai>	*lock
Oct 10 12:36:45 <add1sun>	and we should cull the doc list discussion too
Oct 10 12:36:53 <emmajane>	what makes a compelling reason to lock? that might help come up with a list...
Oct 10 12:37:15 <add1sun>	basically something that is considered *very* set in stone by the community
Oct 10 12:37:20 <Senpai>	Here's an example. "How to install Drupal 6"
Oct 10 12:37:41 <Senpai>	There's no reason that 100,000 people need to be editing the instructions for installing D6.
Oct 10 12:37:49 *	emmajane nods.
Oct 10 12:37:49 <ChrisCharlton>	hehee, missing commas.
Oct 10 12:37:51 <Senpai>	"Ways to improve your theme"
Oct 10 12:38:01 <Senpai>	Everybody has somethig to add to that.
Oct 10 12:38:55 <add1sun>	also, keep in mind that we should probably err on the side of open
Oct 10 12:38:55 <dellintosh>	Senpai: so would that mean "lock it so they don't spam their own stuff there" or "open it so we can get input from everyone"?
Oct 10 12:39:06 <add1sun>	we can lock at any time if we feel a page is being abused
Oct 10 12:39:08 <Senpai>	no, not quite
Oct 10 12:39:15 <Senpai>	but close.
Oct 10 12:39:38 <jbrauer>	http://groups.drupal.org/node/15779
Oct 10 12:39:40 <Senpai>	Don't think about 'locking' pages to protect against spam
Oct 10 12:39:47 <add1sun>	sorry folks - emergency
Oct 10 12:39:51 <Senpai>	Cool, TY jbrauer
Oct 10 12:39:51 <add1sun>	i'vce gotta run for a bit
Oct 10 12:40:01 <jbrauer>	thansk add1sun
Oct 10 12:40:02 *	Senpai waves to add1sun
Oct 10 12:40:05 <add1sun>	feel free to continue the diccussion
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Oct 10 12:40:07 <dellintosh>	thank you add1sun
Oct 10 12:40:09 <add1sun>	and i will check back alter
Oct 10 12:40:23 <Senpai>	So what we're trying to do here is foster a sence of "These are MY docs".
Oct 10 12:40:40 *	dellintosh also has to meet clients in about 5 mins...
Oct 10 12:40:40 <Senpai>	And in that manner, yes, we *will* get spam.
Oct 10 12:41:41 *	dellintosh understands, Senpai... so things that would go in "The Complete Guide to Drupal" should probably get locked.. everything else can be open for user input to improve...
Oct 10 12:41:43 <Senpai>	But the grand plan is that the handbooks become more open for other people's ideas, should they have good ones, and 'closed' to bad inputs through agressive editing of spammers.
Oct 10 12:42:00 <Senpai>	Pretty much, yeah.
Oct 10 12:42:20 <rcross>	anyone had a good play with using VLC to record screencasts?
Oct 10 12:42:36 <Senpai>	If you were writing a book for publication, which pages would be absolutely imperitive to keep constant?
Oct 10 12:42:48 <Senpai>	rcross: I tried. It were ok, but not good.
Oct 10 12:43:06 <Senpai>	ishowu is teh bobm.
Oct 10 12:43:23 <emmajane>	Senpai: Top level pages; security pages; best practises.
Oct 10 12:43:26 <Senpai>	I use it a lot.
Oct 10 12:43:34 <Senpai>	Security pages for sure!
Oct 10 12:43:58 <jbrauer>	and what are the consequences of an error is another factor... i.e. somebody foo-baring the CVS pages has greater consequences than code for block showing a view on your site
Oct 10 12:44:03 <esmerel>	definitely
Oct 10 12:44:50 <rcross>	Senpai: yea, but also costs $ i'll have to keep playing with the settings to figure out the right ones and the right work flow i guess. Im just looking for a dead simple way to record some presentation demos that people will be giving at DrupalCamp Australia
Oct 10 12:45:36 <emmajane>	I've just added a couple of pages to that wiki page.
Oct 10 12:47:02 <esmerel>	bah, no joining for me!
Oct 10 12:47:23 <emmajane>	esmerel oh crap. I think it might just be the people that were added as "admins"
Oct 10 12:47:35 <Senpai>	ooo, yeah.
Oct 10 12:47:40 <Senpai>	that's the problem.
Oct 10 12:47:47 <emmajane>	esmerel I think it requires add1sun or Sepeck to do that.
Oct 10 12:47:48 <esmerel>	It says you have to be a member of the group, and it is invite only:)
Oct 10 12:47:53 <emmajane>	yeah. :(
Oct 10 12:48:07 <Senpai>	esmerel: What's your g.d.o name?
Oct 10 12:48:13 <rcross>	esmerel: i'm an admin there, i can add you
Oct 10 12:48:17 <esmerel>	I'll give you a wild guess:)
Oct 10 12:48:44 *	esmerel uses the same name across drupal =) so this is my name
Oct 10 12:49:22 <emmajane>	is there a way to get a list of all documentation pages that have a URL alias?
Oct 10 12:49:33 <emmajane>	I'm noticing a trend in the pages that I'm finding that I think should be locked...
Oct 10 12:49:51 <esmerel>	emmajane: that they all are important enoughf or someone to have aliased them?
Oct 10 12:49:58 <emmajane>	esmerel yes :)
Oct 10 12:50:03 <esmerel>	=)
Oct 10 12:50:03 <Senpai>	esmerel is in.
Oct 10 12:50:07 <esmerel>	thanks!
Oct 10 12:50:18 <Senpai>	TY to rcross.
Oct 10 12:50:35 *	esmerel nods!
Oct 10 12:50:37 <emmajane>	it's possible it's faster to just look for those pages and see if it makes sense to lock anything with an alias...
Oct 10 12:50:46 <esmerel>	emmajane: I was sorta noticing that last week or so
Oct 10 12:50:51 *	emmajane nods
Oct 10 12:51:00 <esmerel>	but yeah, that seems to be one of those heavy indicators.
Oct 10 12:51:15 <emmajane>	it must be possible to do that as a query...
Oct 10 12:51:24 <ChrisCharlton>	if I can toss something out - I don't think enough pages have URL aliases ;)
Oct 10 12:51:28 <emmajane>	at least get a view-type page and then edit the pages by hand.
Oct 10 12:51:33 <jbrauer>	I think there are a fair number of pages with aliases that shouldn't be locked though... but might be a place to start looking
Oct 10 12:52:11 <ChrisCharlton>	should I post URL alias recommendations in the Issues queue?
Oct 10 12:52:23 <emmajane>	ChrisCharlton: I think to the wiki for now.
Oct 10 12:52:31 <ChrisCharlton>	I'm not on it
Oct 10 12:52:42 <emmajane>	what's your g.d.o username?
Oct 10 12:52:53 <ChrisCharlton>	*the GDO group for wiki.  GDO name = Chris Charlton
Oct 10 12:52:56 <add1sun>	URL alias suggestions should be in the webcmater queue
Oct 10 12:53:05 <Senpai>	ChrisCharlton: Right you are, my good man.
Oct 10 12:53:06 <ChrisCharlton>	webmaster queue, got it
Oct 10 12:53:26 <ChrisCharlton>	;) Senpai
Oct 10 12:54:24 <add1sun>	just fyi, everyone added to the group please do not start discussions there whatever you do
Oct 10 12:55:30 <emmajane>	add1sun: umm. 55 pages of webmaster queue issues that have "alias" in them.
Oct 10 12:55:37 <ChrisCharlton>	nice.
Oct 10 12:55:38 <ronaldmulero>	suggest we mark which pages are locked
Oct 10 12:56:01 <ronaldmulero>	see updated http://groups.drupal.org/node/15779
Oct 10 12:56:55 <ChrisCharlton>	good list to start with
Oct 10 12:57:16 <Senpai>	If you do start a discussion inside the http://groups.drupal.org/documentation-team group, it will be deleted without delay. This could possibly result is some missing ascii text, so it's best not to do it. The group is a one way information train.
Oct 10 12:57:38 <Senpai>	emmajane: 55 pages? woah.
Oct 10 12:57:47 <add1sun>	emmajane, ?
Oct 10 12:57:50 <add1sun>	open?
Oct 10 12:57:51 <emmajane>	Senpai: yeah, it's not a very good way to filter the information.
Oct 10 12:58:00 <add1sun>	emmajane, http://drupal.org/project/issues?projects=3202&text=alias&states=1,16,8,13,14,15,2,4&priorities=&categories=&users=
Oct 10 12:58:14 <add1sun>	that is an open webmaster search for "alias"
Oct 10 12:58:17 <emmajane>	add1sun: No. I want a list of all documentation pages that have been assigned a URL alias.
Oct 10 12:58:23 <add1sun>	emmajane, oh
Oct 10 12:58:25 <emmajane>	add1sun: it needs to be "all" pages.
Oct 10 12:58:29 <add1sun>	no that won't help
Oct 10 12:58:34 <emmajane>	no :(
Oct 10 12:58:49 <add1sun>	emmajane, we have 85 pages in the URL alias admin
Oct 10 12:58:59 <emmajane>	awesome!
Oct 10 12:59:07 <add1sun>	so it is massive
Oct 10 12:59:12 <emmajane>	http://groups.drupal.org/node/15779 <--- all pages curreently have URL aliases.
Oct 10 12:59:28 <emmajane>	I think it might be a good indicator that pages worthy of a URL alias are worthy of further inspection for lock down.
Oct 10 12:59:52 <add1sun>	emmajane, yes but i don't know how to get you a list
Oct 10 13:00:07 <emmajane>	add1sun: I guess it's not possible to filter those 85 pages by page type, eh?
Oct 10 13:00:17 <emmajane>	or would they 'all" be documentaiton pages?
Oct 10 13:00:22 <add1sun>	no, and most of the [ages would be book ones anyway
Oct 10 13:00:33 *	emmajane nods.
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Oct 10 13:00:53 <emmajane>	ok. scrap that idea.
Oct 10 13:03:05 <Senpai>	Here's a question for the future. What happens if we open up the handbooks to all users, and the users devolve all the content into unusable jibberish by tying to change it to be 'better'? How do we roll back everything to a known good state?
Oct 10 13:03:25 <Senpai>	And by good, I mean 'what we have now'.
Oct 10 13:03:30 <emmajane>	hehe
Oct 10 13:03:36 <add1sun>	Senpai, that was the next thing i wasnte to talk about
Oct 10 13:03:38 <emmajane>	I think we pay very close attention to all edits being made.
Oct 10 13:03:43 <add1sun>	but i need to be off this call so i can focus :/
Oct 10 13:03:44 <Senpai>	Which isn't really so good, or we woudn't be doing this excersise
Oct 10 13:04:00 <Senpai>	I'm about to get on a call, so I'll trade with you
Oct 10 13:04:03 <emmajane>	I think it's important to trust the community.
Oct 10 13:04:08 <add1sun>	Senpai, http://drupal.org/handbook/updates now has links to diffs
Oct 10 13:04:11 <add1sun>	for us to monitopr
Oct 10 13:04:12 <emmajane>	Let them fail first. :)
Oct 10 13:04:49 <Senpai>	emmajane: I assume this won't fail, and it'll go on to be a roaring sucess. But what if we've misjudged our user base? What then?
Oct 10 13:04:50 <add1sun>	emmajane, +1
Oct 10 13:05:02 <add1sun>	Senpai, also why it is for a month only first
Oct 10 13:05:13 <emmajane>	Senpai: lock down and add documentation team membership for the ones who've earned it?
Oct 10 13:05:31 <Senpai>	Yes, but ...
Oct 10 13:05:44 <emmajane>	Senpai: reverting then happens one page at a time.
Oct 10 13:05:45 <Senpai>	oh, I don't know. Maybe I'm just too paranoid
Oct 10 13:05:46 <add1sun>	Senpai, we live dangerously ;)
Oct 10 13:05:50 <Senpai>	heh!
Oct 10 13:06:04 <emmajane>	Senpai: which is why we need to pay close attention and why it's only one month at a time. ;)
Oct 10 13:06:19 <emmajane>	"open source" :)
Oct 10 13:06:22 <Senpai>	A mise man once said, "When you pull the pin from a grenade, don't throw the pin away."
Oct 10 13:06:36 <Senpai>	*wise
Oct 10 13:06:42 <wolfflow>	maybe it does not matter, but we could apply cloned Book.module   one for open to community and one for protected-doc?
Oct 10 13:07:11 <Senpai>	naw, too much maint. hassle.
Oct 10 13:07:32 <wolfflow>	I see
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Oct 10 13:11:11 <Senpai>	ok, I have to get going to the things people pay me for and expect results for as well. Stupid expectations. ;-) Later all!
Oct 10 13:11:26 <wolfflow>	by
Oct 10 13:12:29 <emmajane>	Senpai: bye!
Oct 10 13:13:32 <wolfflow>	Ok I'm going to , if there is no more to know yet ! Bye to ALL
Oct 10 13:14:14 <emmajane>	wolfflow: bye :)
Oct 10 13:14:27 <wolfflow>	emmajane: cheers :_)