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Nov 07 12:06:23 <add1sun>	ok, so here is the agenda
Nov 07 12:06:27 <add1sun>	http://groups.drupal.org/node/16343
Nov 07 12:06:46 <add1sun>	Real quick announcements:
Nov 07 12:06:50 *	lut4rp peeks in.
Nov 07 12:07:00 <lut4rp>	hey emmajane
Nov 07 12:07:02 <add1sun>	we have an ical feed on the group site now for events
Nov 07 12:07:20 <lut4rp>	and hey add1sun ,of course :-)
Nov 07 12:07:22 <emmajane>	lut4rp, hey :)
Nov 07 12:07:28 <add1sun>	heya
Nov 07 12:07:34 <add1sun>	so if you go to the group page
Nov 07 12:07:39 <add1sun>	there is a blockof upcomign events
Nov 07 12:07:43 <add1sun>	and an ical link there
Nov 07 12:08:03 <add1sun>	events include physical and virtual
Nov 07 12:08:19 <add1sun>	also, for anyone in the Washington Dc area
Nov 07 12:08:33 <add1sun>	we're gonna have a doc sprint in DC tomorrow afternoon for a few hours
Nov 07 12:08:47 <add1sun>	feel free to drop by: http://groups.drupal.org/node/16174
Nov 07 12:08:57 <add1sun>	ok, that's all i got
Nov 07 12:09:07 <add1sun>	anyone else have *announcements* ?
Nov 07 12:09:17 <add1sun>	before we go into the discussion?
Nov 07 12:09:47 <add1sun>	alrighty
Nov 07 12:09:56 <add1sun>	so the main topic is assessing open editing
Nov 07 12:10:04 <add1sun>	we opened it up a couple fo weeks ago
Nov 07 12:10:14 <add1sun>	and we need to decide the next step:
Nov 07 12:10:20 <add1sun>	1 - close it back up
Nov 07 12:10:26 <add1sun>	2 - leave it alone
Nov 07 12:10:37 <add1sun>	3 - extend for another month of trial and assess again
Nov 07 12:10:58 <add1sun>	i posted my thoughts to the mailing list: http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/2008-November/006351.html
Nov 07 12:11:03 <add1sun>	anyone else have thoguhts?
Nov 07 12:11:18 <add1sun>	do folks feel like it is good, ok, bad?
Nov 07 12:11:47 <Shai_>	I think it is great
Nov 07 12:11:49 <emmajane>	I think it's good.
Nov 07 12:11:56 <Shai_>	I think that your refinement that
Nov 07 12:11:57 <_JohnNoc_>	i think it's ok
Nov 07 12:12:05 <emmajane>	I haven't really been monitoring the lists, mostly just monitoring the lack of panic. :)
Nov 07 12:12:10 <Shai_>	folks can't change the "filing" (choose parent node)
Nov 07 12:12:12 <emmajane>	s/lists/new changes/
Nov 07 12:12:19 <Shai_>	is an important limitation.
Nov 07 12:13:11 <add1sun>	cool, so is the general feeling to say that this was a success and we'll leave it open?
Nov 07 12:13:16 <emmajane>	+1
Nov 07 12:13:22 <add1sun>	tho we are going to look at other changes as well
Nov 07 12:13:30 <HansBKK>	Has the ratio of work by doc-teamers compared to total contributions been reduced or increased?
Nov 07 12:13:32 <add1sun>	as we go
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Nov 07 12:13:50 <add1sun>	HansBKK, no idea
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Nov 07 12:13:59 <HansBKK>	Do you think it's freeing you up for more "high level" work?
Nov 07 12:14:01 <add1sun>	we don't have hard numbers
Nov 07 12:14:14 <add1sun>	so that is why we need to hear back from team members
Nov 07 12:14:47 <add1sun>	well it gives us more material, but we also need to review that material
Nov 07 12:15:01 <add1sun>	overall
Nov 07 12:15:06 <HansBKK>	That must be more time-efficient than writing from scratch.
Nov 07 12:15:11 <add1sun>	though from what i've persoanlly experienced
Nov 07 12:15:17 <add1sun>	the changes people are making are useful
Nov 07 12:15:25 <add1sun>	so a two second check of the diff
Nov 07 12:15:34 <add1sun>	saves me time in that i didn't have to fix the typos myself
Nov 07 12:15:56 <Shai_>	I have a problem with the most recent edits page
Nov 07 12:16:15 <Shai_>	that page is at http://drupal.org/handbook/updates
Nov 07 12:16:49 <HansBKK>	What problem?
Nov 07 12:17:02 <Shai_>	You can only see the last 50 edits.
Nov 07 12:17:14 <add1sun>	Shai_, there is an issue to add a pager
Nov 07 12:17:14 <Shai_>	If someone has done a lot of editing recently, that isn't so many.
Nov 07 12:17:45 <Shai_>	I know, I created it: http://drupal.org/node/325780
Nov 07 12:17:57 <_JohnNoc_>	is it possible to add an rss feed on the updates page?
Nov 07 12:18:20 <add1sun>	Shai_, well we need to work on the issues to get themimplemented
Nov 07 12:18:25 <Shai_>	I wrote a patch to just change it from 50 to 100, for now, until drupal.org has Views installed.
Nov 07 12:18:32 <add1sun>	_JohnNoc_, there is an issue for that too ;)
Nov 07 12:18:37 <_JohnNoc_>	:-)
Nov 07 12:18:43 <add1sun>	Shai_, adding a pager would be better
Nov 07 12:18:46 <Shai_>	I didn't have time to wrap my head around around the pager function
Nov 07 12:18:47 <add1sun>	and is easy
Nov 07 12:18:49 <add1sun>	in the code
Nov 07 12:18:55 <Shai_>	yes adding a pager would be better, indeed,
Nov 07 12:19:31 <esmerel>	OH HAI there's a meeting
Nov 07 12:19:35 <add1sun>	well we have some patches in the queue
Nov 07 12:19:42 <Shai_>	but this is a case, I think, where Drupal's "high standards" get in the way of making some progress that takes almost no effort. Just my two cents, I'm not grumpy about it.
Nov 07 12:19:57 <add1sun>	so we really need to get one non-conflicting patch made and then poke the infra dudes ;)
Nov 07 12:20:02 <LeeHunter>	Would be nice to have the number of items user selectable.
Nov 07 12:20:17 <add1sun>	well eventually we'll have views
Nov 07 12:20:33 <esmerel>	eventually
Nov 07 12:20:50 <add1sun>	heh, yep, in the redesign
Nov 07 12:20:57 <add1sun>	wel actually views is *on* d.o
Nov 07 12:21:00 <add1sun>	just not enabled
Nov 07 12:21:02 <Shai_>	that's exactly why I think it's a waste of developer energy, if noone is stepping to the plate, to incorporate the pager function on that page instead of just changing the limit.
Nov 07 12:21:13 <add1sun>	Shai_, well there are patches
Nov 07 12:21:23 <add1sun>	and these are not big dev tasks
Nov 07 12:21:29 <add1sun>	so anyway
Nov 07 12:21:40 <add1sun>	i'll try to add that to my "bug people" list
Nov 07 12:21:49 <Shai_>	k
Nov 07 12:22:19 <Shai_>	But the bigger point is that non docs team folks are making decent edits, right?
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Nov 07 12:22:36 <add1sun>	from what i've seen so far, yes, for the most part
Nov 07 12:22:48 <HansBKK>	If no one's reporting problems, I reckon we don't need to revisit as quickly as one month, maybe 3? Or only if we start to see problems?
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Nov 07 12:23:12 <add1sun>	yeah, i'd say we can revisit it when we come to the redesign implementation
Nov 07 12:23:18 <Shai_>	+1
Nov 07 12:23:23 <add1sun>	since we'll be evaluating lots of stuff then
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Nov 07 12:23:45 <Shai_>	add1sun: do you need more help in reviewing edits?
Nov 07 12:24:00 <add1sun>	Shai_, well we always need folks to help with reviews
Nov 07 12:24:08 <add1sun>	but honstly we aren't getting slammed that hard
Nov 07 12:24:19 <add1sun>	sometimes we do in a wave
Nov 07 12:24:35 <add1sun>	but typically we get a dozen a day?
Nov 07 12:24:39 <add1sun>	2 dozen?
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Nov 07 12:24:41 <add1sun>	not much
Nov 07 12:25:07 <HansBKK>	Well most people don't know they can edit. What about something along the lines of "this is a wiki page, feel free. . ."?
Nov 07 12:25:07 <add1sun>	abother point that has been raised
Nov 07 12:25:10 <Shai_>	Well don't hesitate to put out the word to the docs group or list serve if you need others to pay more attention at a particular moment n time.
Nov 07 12:25:11 <add1sun>	on the list page
Nov 07 12:25:24 <add1sun>	 is that you don't know who is a doc team or site admin
Nov 07 12:25:58 <Shai_>	which list page?
Nov 07 12:26:04 <add1sun>	so i think other issues out there
Nov 07 12:26:11 <emmajane>	(not "wiki" but "this is a community contributed page. Please feel free to improve it with your edits.")
Nov 07 12:26:11 <add1sun>	to tag a badge onto roles
Nov 07 12:26:13 <add1sun>	would be nice
Nov 07 12:26:23 <add1sun>	Shai_, i mean the recent updates
Nov 07 12:26:54 <add1sun>	hm, actually if we added that by checking the format on the page
Nov 07 12:27:07 <add1sun>	that could be handy
Nov 07 12:27:10 <Shai_>	so that makes it harder figuring out which edits need to be reviewed?
Nov 07 12:27:43 <Shai_>	emmajane: I like that wording instead of "wiki"
Nov 07 12:27:44 <add1sun>	Shai_, yeah right now there are certain users that i know their name
Nov 07 12:27:50 <add1sun>	so i don't check their stuff
Nov 07 12:28:03 <add1sun>	but that's cuz i know the name
Nov 07 12:28:15 <add1sun>	not everyone knows folks on the teams
Nov 07 12:28:26 *	emmajane likes badges.
Nov 07 12:28:33 <add1sun>	not that reviewing team members changes is bad weither
Nov 07 12:28:42 <add1sun>	but it would be nice to prioritize
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Nov 07 12:28:47 <add1sun>	who you are reviewing
Nov 07 12:29:29 <add1sun>	ok, so open editing seems pretty cool
Nov 07 12:29:41 <HansBKK>	idea - a rating system on posts that flowed through to user ratings
Nov 07 12:29:42 <add1sun>	we can write a post saying things are cool
Nov 07 12:29:54 <add1sun>	and work on getting improvements to the recent updates list done
Nov 07 12:30:12 <add1sun>	HansBKK, well the realm of "ratings" would be a redesign thing
Nov 07 12:30:18 <add1sun>	that is a hugely complex topic
Nov 07 12:30:25 <add1sun>	that we can't resolve quickly
Nov 07 12:30:41 <Shai_>	One thing that would be nice, and we should share this burden, is to send thank-you emails via tracker to folks who seem new to editing. I think that would be quite a motivator for them to edit more and would help get some more folks on the docs team.
Nov 07 12:31:15 <add1sun>	Shai_, that is a great idea, tho i admit its not something i'd probably take the time to do a lot myself
Nov 07 12:31:33 <HansBKK>	Is there a way to see who's doing lots of editing?
Nov 07 12:31:41 <add1sun>	hm
Nov 07 12:31:42 <emmajane>	I'd rather get a nice comment on an issue that was closed (e.g. removing a comment) than one. more. email.
Nov 07 12:31:50 <Shai_>	add1sun: is there a way for us to tell that an edit has been reviewed?
Nov 07 12:31:56 <add1sun>	Shai_, no :/
Nov 07 12:32:09 <add1sun>	since it isn't moderated no thee is no flag
Nov 07 12:32:44 <add1sun>	HansBKK, we have a big total list somewhere
Nov 07 12:32:50 <add1sun>	but not a recently active kind of thing
Nov 07 12:32:52 <Shai_>	add1sun: how about always leaving your mark. Add a space to the end of the doc and leave a log message. Is that a hack?
Nov 07 12:33:09 <LeeHunter>	There is that page status widget that could have a new item.
Nov 07 12:33:10 <add1sun>	Shai_, that seems really hacky and annoying
Nov 07 12:33:38 <HansBKK>	solutions in search of problems?
Nov 07 12:33:42 <add1sun>	LeeHunter, the problem is that people who edit wouldn't reset it
Nov 07 12:34:00 <add1sun>	yeah, seriously
Nov 07 12:34:04 <add1sun>	i sorta feel like'
Nov 07 12:34:14 <add1sun>	we don't have a ton of edits given the number of people we have
Nov 07 12:34:30 <add1sun>	and if an edit gets looked at by 5 team members - that's not a bad thing really
Nov 07 12:35:44 <add1sun>	hm, ok, well i'll cull this talk
Nov 07 12:35:54 <add1sun>	and make sure its in the summary that gets sent out
Nov 07 12:36:32 <add1sun>	also, i'd appreciate feedback on the "creating" pages thingy
Nov 07 12:36:57 <HansBKK>	??
Nov 07 12:37:09 <add1sun>	http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/documentation/2008-November/006351.html
Nov 07 12:37:12 <emmajane>	add1sun, I'm +1 for your creating pages idea.
Nov 07 12:37:15 <add1sun>	sorry, got distracted on the call
Nov 07 12:37:38 <add1sun>	and we can talk about it at the next meeting
Nov 07 12:37:43 <add1sun>	if we want to implement
Nov 07 12:37:44 <Shai_>	HansBkk: I think this is about creating a new book for new handbook pages.
Nov 07 12:37:47 <emmajane>	add1sun, i thought about your question of suggestions and wondered if they could just add where they thought it would go, except have some "extra" filter that says, "don't publish yet" which theycouldn't edit.
Nov 07 12:38:17 <add1sun>	well the thing is i prefer them to be published
Nov 07 12:38:22 <emmajane>	add1sun, yup
Nov 07 12:38:27 <Shai_>	d.o. users wouldn't get permission to "file" the new handbook page, that would be for docs team folks.
Nov 07 12:38:31 <emmajane>	add1sun, an extra category (like page status)
Nov 07 12:38:35 <add1sun>	if we are going to unpublish then we may as well put in a full moderation system
Nov 07 12:38:57 <Shai_>	add1sun: I agree, I want them published.
Nov 07 12:38:58 <emmajane>	add1sun, nono, they would be published.
Nov 07 12:39:02 <add1sun>	which i'm not so keen on
Nov 07 12:39:07 <add1sun>	ah ok
Nov 07 12:39:07 <emmajane>	add1sun, published, but not placed.
Nov 07 12:39:19 <HansBKK>	Would be great if only a small subset of people made "structural" changes.
Nov 07 12:39:30 <add1sun>	HansBKK, yep, that's where i'm goin
Nov 07 12:39:33 <Shai_>	emmajane: I think that is add1sun's idea.
Nov 07 12:39:48 <HansBKK>	And if terms were better utilised, a small set of "master taggers"
Nov 07 12:39:50 <emmajane>	add1sun, but they tell us where they think it should go using the actual widgets and we have an extra team-only flag that says "and display in that book"
Nov 07 12:39:58 <emmajane>	Shai_, you're missing an extra email that I sent, I think.
Nov 07 12:40:12 <emmajane>	Shai_, I'm specifically talking about authors getting to suggest where the page should go
Nov 07 12:40:20 <Shai_>	emmajane: I'll check it out
Nov 07 12:40:30 <HansBKK>	It could get published to that location but have a flag allowing filtering "confirm location" for docteamers.
Nov 07 12:40:36 <add1sun>	emmajane, hmm, that seems like a lot more overhead (code-wise)
Nov 07 12:40:38 <Shai_>	emmajane: as a separate field... or just encouraged to do so with some help text.
Nov 07 12:40:39 <HansBKK>	Would save moving it if they got ir right
Nov 07 12:40:40 <emmajane>	it saves us having to find the right page, we're just confirm their suggestion.
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Nov 07 12:41:01 <add1sun>	keep in mind that whatever we set up will likely get modified in the redesign
Nov 07 12:41:04 <emmajane>	add1sun, we'll have views at some point though, right?
Nov 07 12:41:09 <add1sun>	so i want something simple to do *now*
Nov 07 12:41:16 <add1sun>	that we can improve on inthe redesign
Nov 07 12:41:28 <emmajane>	add1sun, leave it as we figure it out for now, but in future they choose adn we confirm.
Nov 07 12:41:42 <add1sun>	emmajane, HansBKK yeah that would be ideal
Nov 07 12:41:51 <HansBKK>	It's such a huge furball as it is now
Nov 07 12:42:10 <Shai_>	Don't underestimate the power of a little bit of help text, "Include at the beginning of the page where you think this will go in the handbook"
Nov 07 12:42:45 <HansBKK>	If there's any time lag, yet one more place for people to look for new stuff
Nov 07 12:43:25 <add1sun>	well yes, but i want it all in one place
Nov 07 12:43:35 <add1sun>	so i can clean out the damn test and spam pages quickly and easily
Nov 07 12:43:38 <HansBKK>	all the new stuff?
Nov 07 12:43:46 <add1sun>	yes
Nov 07 12:43:54 *	emmajane nods
Nov 07 12:43:56 <add1sun>	so i have one place to go
Nov 07 12:44:03 <add1sun>	to see all the new shit that needs review
Nov 07 12:44:14 <HansBKK>	Do you think there'd be much of a delay to getting into the "right" place?
Nov 07 12:44:17 <emmajane>	add1sun, would it help to have a "documentation sandbox" for people to play in?
Nov 07 12:44:24 <Shai_>	For when we get views... -- it would be awesome to have a view with some exposed filters to let people get what they want. I, for one, would love to see new pages, even newer pages that have already been "filed" to the right place in the handbook.
Nov 07 12:44:32 <emmajane>	not "don't put your toys here" but rather "please put your toys there"
Nov 07 12:44:38 <add1sun>	HansBKK, dunno, that is part of what we need to think about
Nov 07 12:45:21 <add1sun>	emmajane, do you mean that in the way that i called a "holding pen"?
Nov 07 12:45:24 <add1sun>	or something else
Nov 07 12:45:29 <add1sun>	separate
Nov 07 12:45:32 <emmajane>	add1sun, no, different.
Nov 07 12:45:32 <HansBKK>	Actually, having docteam leaders forced to try to figure out where something belongs would probably really bring home just how all over the place some topics are.
Nov 07 12:45:44 <emmajane>	add1sun, as in "I want to create a test page to see what happens"
Nov 07 12:45:46 <add1sun>	HansBKK, it doesn't need to be brought home
Nov 07 12:45:48 <add1sun>	we know
Nov 07 12:45:51 <emmajane>	add1sun, Wiki sandbox.
Nov 07 12:45:59 <emmajane>	add1sun, "testing crap goes here" :)
Nov 07 12:46:01 <add1sun>	everyone here knows
Nov 07 12:46:20 <add1sun>	hm, so how would we "advertise" that?
Nov 07 12:46:25 <emmajane>	new book?
Nov 07 12:46:33 <add1sun>	well i think most people
Nov 07 12:46:37 <add1sun>	just read getting started
Nov 07 12:46:46 <add1sun>	and click the create child page link
Nov 07 12:46:50 <HansBKK>	Where's that message come from now about not posting test pages?
Nov 07 12:46:59 <add1sun>	i don't think they are looking at the top-level books
Nov 07 12:47:00 *	emmajane nods to add1sun
Nov 07 12:47:05 <HansBKK>	A sandbox link there might be good. . .
Nov 07 12:47:18 <add1sun>	ugh, on every page?
Nov 07 12:47:20 <Shai_>	emmajane add1sun  -- creating a sandbox might make people more confused. That terms is usually used for testing software, not docs.
Nov 07 12:47:31 <add1sun>	that sounds more annoying than just putting htem in the holding bin
Nov 07 12:47:36 <add1sun>	and deleting them daily
Nov 07 12:47:56 <emmajane>	Shai_, the term can be changed, obviously
Nov 07 12:48:23 <emmajane>	I haven't created a new page in a while, I'm just checking to see what happens. idle for a sec.
Nov 07 12:48:30 <add1sun>	ohhh HansBKK sorry i get you now
Nov 07 12:48:37 <add1sun>	yes, you are right
Nov 07 12:48:59 <Shai_>	I think we should make it clear somehow that folks who are writing new pages can get help by asking for help on the docs list serve.
Nov 07 12:49:04 <add1sun>	we could add it there - though obvioulsy people don't read it
Nov 07 12:49:05 <emmajane>	"Please do NOT post test pages. Drupal.org is a production site and you will not be able to delete content once you post it. "
Nov 07 12:49:08 <add1sun>	or pay attention ;)
Nov 07 12:49:19 <emmajane>	Alter that text to say, "Please click this link to put your testing page over here."
Nov 07 12:49:23 <HansBKK>	@Shai or issues queue?
Nov 07 12:50:05 <emmajane>	In red blinking letters, obviously. :)
Nov 07 12:50:05 <Shai_>	HansBkk or at g.d.o --- that is part of the confusion.
Nov 07 12:50:14 <add1sun>	hmm
Nov 07 12:50:16 <HansBKK>	Different strokes :)
Nov 07 12:50:22 <add1sun>	Shai_, well you can't ask for help on g.d.o
Nov 07 12:50:39 <add1sun>	at least not in the doc group
Nov 07 12:50:45 <Shai_>	Oh right, cause you have membership closed off, yes
Nov 07 12:50:52 <HansBKK>	I'd steer them to the issues queue myself. . .
Nov 07 12:50:58 <add1sun>	i agree with HansBKK
Nov 07 12:51:10 <Shai_>	I personally would vote for shutting down the list serve in favor of groups, but that is probably an agenda for a different meeting.
Nov 07 12:51:18 <add1sun>	Shai_, it is ;)
Nov 07 12:51:54 <Shai_>	HansBkk, but yes, I agree that issue queue is better than list serve, though some newbies find the issue queue confusing.
Nov 07 12:52:22 <HansBKK>	Re the sandbox I think it'd would be more likely to add to the management overhead, but addy you'd be in the best position to estimate that
Nov 07 12:52:55 <add1sun>	hm, Ok folks, i'm going to summarize where we got today ad we can continue it offline til the next meeting
Nov 07 12:53:00 <emmajane>	I don't want to encourage people to use the sandbox, I just want to give a positive statement insted of a negative one.
Nov 07 12:53:01 <add1sun>	cuz we are running out of time
Nov 07 12:53:21 <emmajane>	i.e. "DON"T DO THAT" is less useful than "Please do it this way."
Nov 07 12:53:26 <add1sun>	the other items on the agenda
Nov 07 12:53:33 <add1sun>	were to catch on on the redesign
Nov 07 12:53:49 <add1sun>	which i'll just post the links and folks that are interested can check it out
Nov 07 12:53:58 <add1sun>	i really encourage everyone to take part
Nov 07 12:54:08 <add1sun>	cuz we are gonna completely change how docs works
Nov 07 12:54:13 <add1sun>	in the redesign
Nov 07 12:54:38 <add1sun>	the current doc-specific thread: http://groups.drupal.org/node/15965
Nov 07 12:54:55 <add1sun>	and the current design iteration: http://groups.drupal.org/node/16548
Nov 07 12:55:05 <add1sun>	go nuts
Nov 07 12:55:09 <add1sun>	annnnnd
Nov 07 12:55:20 <add1sun>	last item on the agenda was to talk about next projects
Nov 07 12:55:31 <add1sun>	which we really don't have time to get into any depth
Nov 07 12:55:43 <HansBKK>	the version "forking" issue is something I think we should try to resolve sooner rather than later
Nov 07 12:56:33 <HansBKK>	How can we facilitate merging e.g. the separate theming books back into one, with version-specific sub-pages rather than separate books?
Nov 07 12:56:41 <add1sun>	right
Nov 07 12:56:51 <Shai_>	HansBKK +1
Nov 07 12:56:51 <add1sun>	and that is part of one project next up
Nov 07 12:57:01 <add1sun>	to reorg the theme guides: http://drupal.org/node/254947
Nov 07 12:57:05 <HansBKK>	Could a sprint handle it, or does it need to be done over a long time incrementally?
Nov 07 12:57:05 *	emmajane whistles the tagging song.
Nov 07 12:57:12 <Shai_>	I'll try to start taking part in the re-design threads.
Nov 07 12:57:21 <add1sun>	HansBKK, first we need to figugre out what we want to do ;)
Nov 07 12:57:28 <add1sun>	sprints are good for grunt work
Nov 07 12:57:33 <add1sun>	not for sorting out issues
Nov 07 12:57:52 <add1sun>	unless it is a limited group sprint with authority to decide
Nov 07 12:58:10 <HansBKK>	I meant the merging
Nov 07 12:58:17 <Shai_>	emmajane, +1 for tagging songs :) -- I presume we'd advocate for that in the redesign threads.
Nov 07 12:58:18 <emmajane>	I would like to focus attention on totally new ways of presenting docs rather than worrying about current book structures.
Nov 07 12:58:33 <add1sun>	once we figure out what we want to do, we can look at doing it at a sprnt, sure
Nov 07 12:58:49 <HansBKK>	So what's the next step in figuring out what we want to do?
Nov 07 12:58:49 <emmajane>	It seems weird to focus on revamping linear structure when we know this will not bethe emphasis post-redesign.
Nov 07 12:58:56 <emmajane>	Or maybe we don't know that and i'm just projecting?
Nov 07 12:59:03 <add1sun>	yes, honestly (other than the redesign)
Nov 07 12:59:15 <add1sun>	the two main things i want to bang out are
Nov 07 12:59:20 <LeeHunter>	Structure will always be needed.
Nov 07 12:59:26 <add1sun>	getting some frickin content into the D6 getting satrted guide
Nov 07 12:59:30 *	emmajane grins at LeeHunter
Nov 07 12:59:47 <emmajane>	The Voice Of Reason has spoken. :)
Nov 07 12:59:53 <add1sun>	and getting the handbook style guide
Nov 07 13:00:03 <add1sun>	reviewed, refreshed and prominent
Nov 07 13:00:11 <add1sun>	actually use it once we have something we like
Nov 07 13:00:22 <add1sun>	i'd even liek to work out templates for things
Nov 07 13:00:32 <add1sun>	 like README.txt files for module devs
Nov 07 13:00:42 <add1sun>	and various handook content
Nov 07 13:00:54 <add1sun>	like here is a copy/paste template for your snipprt
Nov 07 13:01:00 <emmajane>	add1sun, what's the best way to list these tasks that you've just listed?
Nov 07 13:01:16 <emmajane>	add1sun, a todo list in the docs? or as individual issues in the queue?
Nov 07 13:01:18 <add1sun>	emmajane, well i want to make project pages on the g.d.o
Nov 07 13:01:25 <add1sun>	and craet issues in the queue
Nov 07 13:01:32 <add1sun>	that the project page can link to
Nov 07 13:01:34 <emmajane>	add1sun, perfect... but that means opening up g.d.o memberships?
Nov 07 13:01:41 <add1sun>	emmajane, not yet :/
Nov 07 13:01:59 <add1sun>	only g.d.o admins will be able to update the project page with issues
Nov 07 13:02:07 <add1sun>	we have to just deal with that for now
Nov 07 13:02:26 *	emmajane nods
Nov 07 13:02:28 <add1sun>	but i only see them as being a simple place to organize
Nov 07 13:02:35 <add1sun>	not an extensive project management thingy
Nov 07 13:02:40 <emmajane>	add1sun, what can we do to help with this?
Nov 07 13:03:02 <add1sun>	hm, well  wanted to have more time to talk about potential projects
Nov 07 13:03:08 <Shai_>	add1sun, indeed what can we do to help?
Nov 07 13:03:09 <add1sun>	but this meeting is out of time
Nov 07 13:03:20 <add1sun>	so what i'd really like to do is have another meeting soon
Nov 07 13:03:26 <add1sun>	orr
Nov 07 13:03:30 <add1sun>	of course
Nov 07 13:03:33 <add1sun>	we can talk on the list
Nov 07 13:03:39 <add1sun>	in response to the summary
Nov 07 13:03:41 *	emmajane nods.
Nov 07 13:03:46 <Shai_>	nods
Nov 07 13:03:54 <add1sun>	i'll try to summarize this meeting later today
Nov 07 13:04:01 <add1sun>	unless someone else would take that on
Nov 07 13:04:05 <add1sun>	*hint*hint ;)
Nov 07 13:04:21 <emmajane>	(my buffer isn't big enough :(  )
Nov 07 13:04:26 <add1sun>	yah, i hear ya
Nov 07 13:04:28 <Shai_>	thank you addisun emmajane and LeeHunter
Nov 07 13:04:40 <add1sun>	i'm hinting but not expecting ;)
Nov 07 13:04:45 <emmajane>	hehe
Nov 07 13:05:03 <add1sun>	alright so i think we have a few things going here
Nov 07 13:05:06 <add1sun>	briefly
Nov 07 13:05:12 <HansBKK>	I just checked and my buffer's only got 15min
Nov 07 13:05:21 <add1sun>	1- open editing is groovy - we need a post to the community saying so
Nov 07 13:05:23 <HansBKK>	If someone mails me the full hour I'll summarize and post
Nov 07 13:05:36 <add1sun>	HansBKK, really!?
Nov 07 13:05:43 <HansBKK>	sure
Nov 07 13:05:44 <add1sun>	i can toally send you the log
Nov 07 13:05:49 <add1sun>	OMG!
Nov 07 13:05:52 <add1sun>	i LOVE you
Nov 07 13:05:58 <HansBKK>	I'd like to see something in place to move us forward on deciding the version-specific vs not issue
Nov 07 13:05:58 *	emmajane laughs
Nov 07 13:06:20 <Shai_>	Rousing applause for HansBKK!
Nov 07 13:06:23 <HansBKK>	Briefing doc on groups then vote?