[20:23:25]ADMIN: PM: Cedarbridge/(Dreams-of-Trees)->Shad0vvs/(Lunar): Would he have a reason to think so?
[20:23:30]ADMIN: PM: Shad0vvs/(Lunar)->Cedarbridge/(Dreams-of-Trees): (F) Miyamoto Musashi (as Frank Ocelot) says, "The crematorium was shocking people because we tried to stop the AI"#
[20:23:51]ADMIN: PM: Shad0vvs/(Lunar)->Cedarbridge/(Dreams-of-Trees): Refrencing the guy in the captain suit who ion rifled us in crematorium, so he just goes with we're rogue im guessing?
[20:24:02]ADMIN: PM: Shad0vvs/(Lunar)->Cedarbridge/(Dreams-of-Trees): Which is incorrect validhunting
[20:24:13]ADMIN: PM: Cedarbridge/(Dreams-of-Trees)->Shad0vvs/(Lunar): Sounds like he kinda articulated a reason he thinks you're rogue there.
[20:24:29]ADMIN: PM: Shad0vvs/(Lunar)->Cedarbridge/(Dreams-of-Trees): Yeah, and the ion rifle that shocked the doors wasn't us
[20:25:12]ADMIN: PM: Cedarbridge/(Dreams-of-Trees)->Shad0vvs/(Lunar): Did he see the ion rifle hit the door?
[20:25:28]ADMIN: PM: Shad0vvs/(Lunar)->Cedarbridge/(Dreams-of-Trees): I don't know if his potato brain could see anything, I'm sure all he knows is a door was shocked and he killed us for it.
[20:25:52]ADMIN: PM: Cedarbridge/(Dreams-of-Trees)->Shad0vvs/(Lunar): I'll ask him about it but it seems like at worst an overreaction
[20:26:17]ADMIN: PM: Shad0vvs/(Lunar)->Cedarbridge/(Dreams-of-Trees): IMO its validhunting gone wrong :^)
[20:26:52]ADMIN: PM: Cedarbridge/(Dreams-of-Trees)->Shad0vvs/(Lunar): I'm pretty sure I'd dunk borgs if I thought they were shocking doors.  Just sayin
[20:27:10]ADMIN: PM: Shad0vvs/(Lunar)->Cedarbridge/(Dreams-of-Trees): Yeah, but what if the door was hacked? how does that make us valid
[20:27:54]ADMIN: PM: Cedarbridge/(Dreams-of-Trees)->Shad0vvs/(Lunar): Like I said, I'll ask him his reasoning, but if he had reason to believe the AI or you did it, like I said, I'd probably have done the same thing and then taken you to be de-linked or something.
[20:28:31]ADMIN: PM: Shad0vvs/(Lunar)->Cedarbridge/(Dreams-of-Trees): If you say so, one shocked door does not a rogue borg make.
[20:29:05]ADMIN: PM: Cedarbridge/(Dreams-of-Trees)->Shad0vvs/(Lunar): peices of a larger whole possibly, I'll get back to you
[20:35:03]ADMIN: PM: Cedarbridge/(Dreams-of-Trees)->Shad0vvs/(Lunar): Yeah looks like it was the shocked door (which he assumed was shocked because you were there) and they had heard others yelling about a borg attacking people.  Probably that one ling that was cremated,
[20:36:03]ADMIN: PM: Shad0vvs/(Lunar)->Cedarbridge/(Dreams-of-Trees): Neat and thats valid?
[20:36:21]ADMIN: PM: Cedarbridge/(Dreams-of-Trees)->Shad0vvs/(Lunar): I have to assume imperfect information.  There's no malice there.
[20:37:14]ADMIN: PM: Cedarbridge/(Dreams-of-Trees)->SaccharineDream/(Vanessa Surridge): Its always best to just step back a bit sometimes.
[20:37:24]ADMIN: PM: Shad0vvs/(Lunar)->Cedarbridge/(Dreams-of-Trees): I dont know how that isnt attempted validhunting to you but whatever.
[20:38:35]ADMIN: PM: Cedarbridge/(Dreams-of-Trees)->Shad0vvs/(Lunar): Well, on the one hand "validhunting" isn't exactly a a rule breaking offense.  Also, he didn't break any actual rules I can find.  If there's a rule you think I missed inform me or make a FNR for it.
[20:39:11]ADMIN: PM: Shad0vvs/(Lunar)->Cedarbridge/(Dreams-of-Trees): You guys usually hide behind rule 1 to make your decisions, why not this time?
[20:40:06]ADMIN: PM: Cedarbridge/(Dreams-of-Trees)->Shad0vvs/(Lunar): Except he didn't do anything to intentionally ruin your game or be a jerk?  He assumed you were rogue based on two bits of (incorrect) evidence.  I'm not going to ban him for being lied to and being wrong.
[20:40:42]ADMIN: PM: Shad0vvs/(Lunar)->Cedarbridge/(Dreams-of-Trees): Hah, so all that shit about people saying "rogue borgs" and getting banned for it WAS false.
[20:41:44]ADMIN: PM: Cedarbridge/(Dreams-of-Trees)->Shad0vvs/(Lunar): Like I said, I remember seeing a ling getting cremated (the event timing lines up with when they claim to have heard somebody yelling about borgs killing somebody) They didn't know it was a ling so they followed the other possible end.
[20:41:58]ADMIN: PM: Shad0vvs/(Lunar)->Cedarbridge/(Dreams-of-Trees): Spoiler: nobody got cremated
[20:50:20]ADMIN: PM: Cedarbridge/(Dreams-of-Trees)->Shad0vvs/(Lunar): The guy who yelled "borgs rogue" was a ling.  As I've said 3 times now.   There's no double standard there.
[20:50:41]ADMIN: PM: Shad0vvs/(Lunar)->Cedarbridge/(Dreams-of-Trees): Okay so one guy yelling borgs rogue lets you kill them now?
[20:51:16]ADMIN: PM: Shad0vvs/(Lunar)->Cedarbridge/(Dreams-of-Trees): I understand every single person on the server is bias against borgs, but this is a joke.
[20:51:49]ADMIN: PM: Shad0vvs/(Lunar)->Cedarbridge/(Dreams-of-Trees): If oyu killed someone because you thought they were a traitor and you were wrong you would get banned on the spot, but in this case it doesnt apply.
[20:52:10]ADMIN: PM: Cedarbridge/(Dreams-of-Trees)->Shad0vvs/(Lunar): Look, I'll go over this one more time, but I'm not really sure you're listening.  There were two things (a shocked door with a borg present, and an accusation that borgs were killing somebody) that were taken together to decide that the borgs were probably rogue.  If you're not satisfied, then by all means make an FNR thread.
[20:52:44]ADMIN: PM: Shad0vvs/(Lunar)->Cedarbridge/(Dreams-of-Trees): If he was able to see the """""cremation""""" how was he not able to see the guy ion rifling us?
[20:53:19]ADMIN: PM: Cedarbridge/(Dreams-of-Trees)->Shad0vvs/(Lunar): He heard about somebody supposedly being cremated.  That was the "borgs are rogue and cremating somebody" event they heard
[20:53:27]ADMIN: PM: Cedarbridge/(Dreams-of-Trees)->Shad0vvs/(Lunar): Please do
[20:53:27]ADMIN: PM: Shad0vvs/(Lunar)->Cedarbridge/(Dreams-of-Trees): the fnr
[20:54:03]ADMIN: PM: Shad0vvs/(Lunar)->Cedarbridge/(Dreams-of-Trees): ban request or admin thingy, becuase you disagree with my opinion, which is i
[20:54:31]ADMIN: PM: Shad0vvs/(Lunar)->Cedarbridge/(Dreams-of-Trees): Wihch thread do I post In I mean
[20:54:54]ADMIN: PM: Cedarbridge/(Dreams-of-Trees)->Shad0vvs/(Lunar): You want somebody banned so make a ban request.
[20:55:11]ADMIN: PM: Shad0vvs/(Lunar)->Cedarbridge/(Dreams-of-Trees): But its your opinion that needs to be overturrned, so dont I post it in admin compaints? or am I misguided.
[20:55:45]ADMIN: PM: Cedarbridge/(Dreams-of-Trees)->Shad0vvs/(Lunar): I'm giving you permission to make the request.  I'll post my decision as a response to the same.
[20:55:51]ADMIN: PM: Shad0vvs/(Lunar)->Cedarbridge/(Dreams-of-Trees): Ight
[20:56:00]ADMIN: PM: Shad0vvs/(Lunar)->Cedarbridge/(Dreams-of-Trees): I dont have any logs so....
[20:56:16]ADMIN: PM: Cedarbridge/(Dreams-of-Trees)->Shad0vvs/(Lunar): Which logs specifically do you need?
[20:56:26]ADMIN: PM: Shad0vvs/(Lunar)->Cedarbridge/(Dreams-of-Trees): Uhh the ahelps? I guess?
[20:56:36]ADMIN: PM: Shad0vvs/(Lunar)->Cedarbridge/(Dreams-of-Trees): I dont even know the guy who killed me
[20:57:08]ADMIN: PM: Cedarbridge/(Dreams-of-Trees)->Shad0vvs/(Lunar): ckey is Roadhog1
[20:57:47]ADMIN: PM: Cedarbridge/(Dreams-of-Trees)->Shad0vvs/(Lunar): I can pull the ahelp logs if you want but since I'm already going to be posting my decision in the thread myself, it might be redundant.
[20:58:23]ADMIN: PM: Shad0vvs/(Lunar)->Cedarbridge/(Dreams-of-Trees): Well it basically explains the argument doesnt it? why wouldn't you post all the ahelp logs with my opinion against what you were saying.
[20:58:53]ADMIN: PM: Cedarbridge/(Dreams-of-Trees)->Shad0vvs/(Lunar): I don't follow.
[20:59:20]ADMIN: PM: Shad0vvs/(Lunar)->Cedarbridge/(Dreams-of-Trees): You laid out your like, why he shouldn't be punished, and I laid out why he should be in the ahelps...