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  1. Feb 19 14:08:16 <add1sun>       so the main topics for today are:
  2. Feb 19 14:08:26 <add1sun>       - Editorial guide
  3. Feb 19 14:08:30 <add1sun>       - Drupalcon sprint
  4. Feb 19 14:08:48 <add1sun>       MBD gave us a guide as part of the redesign
  5. Feb 19 14:08:48 <add1sun>       http://infrastructure.drupal.org/drupal.org-style-guide/editorial.html
  6. Feb 19 14:09:15 <add1sun>       so far the biggest "issue" with theguide itself
  7. Feb 19 14:09:33 <add1sun>       is that using HTML entities on handbook pages ain't really gonna work
  8. Feb 19 14:10:02 <add1sun>       i did create an issue
  9. Feb 19 14:10:17 <add1sun>       about using typogrify to help us autmate that and keep things perty
  10. Feb 19 14:10:19 <add1sun>       http://drupal.org/node/376244
  11. Feb 19 14:10:47 <add1sun>       anybody have thoughts/experience with this?
  12. Feb 19 14:11:06 <add1sun>       and also does anyone have any other objections/thoughts about the guidelines themselves?
  13. Feb 19 14:11:24 <add1sun>       they seem pretty straight to me
  14. Feb 19 14:11:40 <LeeHunter>     Is the plan to incorporate them into the current style guidelines.
  15. Feb 19 14:11:41 <LeeHunter>     ?
  16. Feb 19 14:11:56 <add1sun>       well, yeah i'm thinking that is what we need to look at
  17. Feb 19 14:12:04 <Senpai>        What did I miss?
  18. Feb 19 14:12:07 *       Senpai is late
  19. Feb 19 14:12:20 <Senpai>        oh, I see I am not late
  20. Feb 19 14:12:22 <Senpai>        woot!
  21. Feb 19 14:12:25 <add1sun>       nope, not really :)
  22. Feb 19 14:12:39 <LeeHunter>     Senpai: just started talking about the MBD editorial guide
  23. Feb 19 14:12:43 <add1sun>       LeeHunter, i haven't gotten a chance to compare
  24. Feb 19 14:12:51 <add1sun>       and see if any conflicts per se
  25. Feb 19 14:13:15 <Senpai>        wow, this has changed a lot since I last looked at it. /me reads again
  26. Feb 19 14:13:41 <add1sun>       but i think that yes, we want to incorporate this guide with our existing guide
  27. Feb 19 14:14:24 <add1sun>       aside form the technical details
  28. Feb 19 14:14:39 <add1sun>       i also want to figure out how we will implement them :p
  29. Feb 19 14:14:49 <add1sun>       we have a *lot* of pages
  30. Feb 19 14:15:07 <add1sun>       and typically style review isn't somehting i spend a lot of time on
  31. Feb 19 14:15:23 <add1sun>       though it would be a good idea to add to the list of regular doc tasks i think
  32. Feb 19 14:15:53 <add1sun>       but ibviously we aren't going to do a top-to-bottom style review of all pages
  33. Feb 19 14:16:04 <LeeHunter>     Most of the MBD is common sense, lots of it is already in the style guide. I don't see it as being too big a deal.
  34. Feb 19 14:16:32 <add1sun>       true, and hopefulyy things like the entities will be covered by a module
  35. Feb 19 14:16:41 <add1sun>       so that we don't really need to manually change things
  36. Feb 19 14:16:42 <_JohnNoc_>     agree with Lee, the MBD is pretty basic, except for the html entities
  37. Feb 19 14:17:34 <LeeHunter>     Yeah the entities thing doesn't make sense for the community content. More important for the bigger design elements maybe.
  38. Feb 19 14:17:38 <add1sun>       so the general feeling is "we're cool, just need a tool for the entities" ?
  39. Feb 19 14:17:49 <_JohnNoc_>     yupp
  40. Feb 19 14:18:04 <add1sun>       as in, there is no way in hell we are manually doing entities
  41. Feb 19 14:18:24 <LeeHunter>     Not unless we get a whole lotta student interns. :)
  42. Feb 19 14:18:29 <_JohnNoc_>     heh
  43. Feb 19 14:18:29 <add1sun>       haha
  44. Feb 19 14:18:33 <toddross>      add1sun: we developed a custom typogrify-type module for that other paper, but it needs to be upgraded to D6 and probably needs to be merged with typogrify. it's rather sophisticated.
  45. Feb 19 14:18:49 <add1sun>       toddross, ooohh good
  46. Feb 19 14:18:51 <toddross>      during the upgrade sprint in paris, neil drumm and i talked about it at length
  47. Feb 19 14:19:10 <toddross>      he emailed me about it yesterday, acutally, and we have someone at four kitchens looking into the state of typography modules
  48. Feb 19 14:19:19 <toddross>      shannonlucas: that's you!
  49. Feb 19 14:19:19 <add1sun>       toddross, do you think it is something that could be worked on at the drupalcon doc sprint?
  50. Feb 19 14:19:22 <dmitrig01>     may i rant on markboulton's editorial guide? :-)
  51. Feb 19 14:19:42 <add1sun>       toddross, as in, if i find you code slaves could you use them ? ;)
  52. Feb 19 14:19:46 <dmitrig01>     or rather where's the right spot to do it?
  53. Feb 19 14:19:48 <toddross>      add1sun: yes, probably. we can turn /that/ portion of the doc spring into a mini code spring
  54. Feb 19 14:19:51 <toddross>      *sprint
  55. Feb 19 14:19:56 <add1sun>       toddross, excellent
  56. Feb 19 14:20:06 <add1sun>       i do plan to have a doc code sprint
  57. Feb 19 14:20:12 <add1sun>       within the larger doc psprint
  58. Feb 19 14:20:13 <toddross>      add1sun: yes, though we may need to hijack the typogrify module!
  59. Feb 19 14:20:28 <toddross>      add1sun: it's really silly to make multiple typography modules
  60. Feb 19 14:20:36 <add1sun>       toddross, it would be great to see if mikl is coming to DCDC
  61. Feb 19 14:20:49 <add1sun>       dmitrig01, sure you can rant, that is what this meeting is for
  62. Feb 19 14:20:54 <dmitrig01>     http://infrastructure.drupal.org/drupal.org-style-guide/editorial.html <-- i'd disagree with some of the things there - "Yes: Drupal releases a new version every six months." should be "A new version of Drupal is released every six months," because Drupal doesn't release itself :-)
  63. Feb 19 14:21:00 <add1sun>       to talk out the guide and implementation
  64. Feb 19 14:21:11 <_JohnNoc_>     join #drupal-denmark
  65. Feb 19 14:21:15 <LeeHunter>     dmitrig01: Good point.
  66. Feb 19 14:21:21 <keithsmith>    dmitrig01: you go boy.
  67. Feb 19 14:21:27 <add1sun>       :)
  68. Feb 19 14:21:41 <toddross>      the D5 version of the module we made allows you to add intelligent typography to titles with some minor changes to the theme. we can probably eliminate theme-layer stuff through some preprocess and other hooks in D6.
  69. Feb 19 14:22:21 <add1sun>       dmitrig01, we should make note of these kinds of things
  70. Feb 19 14:22:27 <add1sun>       hm, where?
  71. Feb 19 14:22:29 <dmitrig01>     add1sun: where?
  72. Feb 19 14:22:31 <dmitrig01>     yeah
  73. Feb 19 14:22:35 <dmitrig01>     infra queue doesn't seem right
  74. Feb 19 14:22:36 <Senpai>        wiki!
  75. Feb 19 14:22:54 <add1sun>       dmitrig01, i think a doc issue
  76. Feb 19 14:22:58 <shannonlucas>  i think someone created a D6 version of typogrify (a patch if nothing else), but safari is giving me the beachball of death right now
  77. Feb 19 14:23:03 <add1sun>       that is for editorial guide review
  78. Feb 19 14:23:05 <dmitrig01>     Senpai: these should be a wiki
  79. Feb 19 14:23:12 <Senpai>        true that.
  80. Feb 19 14:23:14 <add1sun>       and then people can leave comments on nitpicks
  81. Feb 19 14:23:32 <dmitrig01>     add1sun: who can edit the document
  82. Feb 19 14:23:47 <add1sun>       dmitrig01, i have no idea - i don't have access to that page
  83. Feb 19 14:23:59 <dmitrig01>     add1sun: we should make these into a wiki somehow
  84. Feb 19 14:24:04 <toddross>      dmitrig01 add1sun: the conclusion we can to in paris was the style guide would have to be heavily edited to suit our (the community's) needs
  85. Feb 19 14:24:10 <add1sun>       dmitrig01, i'd rather list points with it
  86. Feb 19 14:24:21 <add1sun>       and then when we put it in the handbook we can edit as we need
  87. Feb 19 14:24:32 <dmitrig01>     oh, so it will go in the handbook eventually?
  88. Feb 19 14:24:41 <add1sun>       dmitrig01, yes
  89. Feb 19 14:24:53 <toddross>      dmitrig01 add1sun: we should probably keep his online and continue development with a second style guide that incorporates fixes and feedback
  90. Feb 19 14:24:53 <add1sun>       it iwll be incorporated into our existing guide
  91. Feb 19 14:24:54 <dmitrig01>     add1sun: what's it waiting for?
  92. Feb 19 14:25:08 <toddross>      dmitrig01 add1sun: i have a .zip of the styleguide locally if you want it.
  93. Feb 19 14:25:17 <add1sun>       dmitrig01, i wanted some discussion to catch big no-nos first
  94. Feb 19 14:25:29 <add1sun>       and then honestly, just time/someone to to do it
  95. Feb 19 14:25:35 <dmitrig01>     i see
  96. Feb 19 14:25:44 <add1sun>       toddross, yeah i think we should keep his as is for a ref
  97. Feb 19 14:26:00 <add1sun>       and start adding to the existing guiide at....
  98. Feb 19 14:26:12 <toddross>      we're certainly going to overhaul it for theming purposes (i.e., the visual style portion)
  99. Feb 19 14:26:16 <add1sun>       http://drupal.org/about/authoring
  100. Feb 19 14:26:27 <add1sun>       toddross, yes, i can imagine ;)
  101. Feb 19 14:27:37 <add1sun>       so basically we need someone (or more than one) to sit down and match up http://drupal.org/node/338208 with the MBD guide
  102. Feb 19 14:27:49 <add1sun>       and then add/edit the handbook page as needed
  103. Feb 19 14:28:38 <_JohnNoc_>     what about create a page with the MBD guide   on http://drupal.org/community-initiatives/documentation where we can all edit the page and post comments
  104. Feb 19 14:28:56 <add1sun>       _JohnNoc_, good call!
  105. Feb 19 14:30:15 <add1sun>       i'd like to get it hammered out by the start of drupalcon
  106. Feb 19 14:30:41 <add1sun>       because i think a nice easy task for folks is to ask them to do style reviews during the sprint
  107. Feb 19 14:30:49 <add1sun>       even if it not much needs to change
  108. Feb 19 14:30:56 *       jlin (n=jhslin@67-208-9-120.ip.tor.radiant.net) has joined #drupal-docs
  109. Feb 19 14:31:03 <add1sun>       this is a good way to get new people familiar with the guidleines and where they are
  110. Feb 19 14:31:22 <add1sun>       much like how i learned the coding stsandards
  111. Feb 19 14:31:37 <add1sun>       and now i just know most of them in my head
  112. Feb 19 14:32:14 <add1sun>       so can someone grab that MBD list and add it to the community initiatives?
  113. Feb 19 14:32:43 <add1sun>       and add a parent page explaining what it is and what we need to do with ti?
  114. Feb 19 14:32:44 <Senpai>        It seems like most of the docs sprint will be style changes, yah?
  115. Feb 19 14:32:53 <toddross>      add1sun: considering the substantial crossover between d.o relaunch, retheme, and the doc sprint, how do you feel about delegating a typography solution to shannonlucas and i?
  116. Feb 19 14:32:55 <add1sun>       Senpai, well for some folks
  117. Feb 19 14:33:03 <add1sun>       lots of people will want different taksks
  118. Feb 19 14:33:21 <add1sun>       toddross, i would *love* to delegate that :)
  119. Feb 19 14:33:36 <LeeHunter>     add1sun: I'm setting up the MBD page now.
  120. Feb 19 14:33:40 <toddross>      add1sun: done and done. i'm a typography nerd.
  121. Feb 19 14:33:41 <add1sun>       toddross, feel free to take over http://drupal.org/node/376244
  122. Feb 19 14:33:47 <add1sun>       toddross, woot!!
  123. Feb 19 14:33:58 <add1sun>       LeeHunter, thank you
  124. Feb 19 14:34:40 <add1sun>       ok, so that seems reltively square
  125. Feb 19 14:34:46 <add1sun>       the other thing i wanted to put out there
  126. Feb 19 14:34:57 <add1sun>       is that we have a full-day doc sprint on March 7
  127. Feb 19 14:35:00 <add1sun>       at drupalcon
  128. Feb 19 14:35:10 <add1sun>       i have a lot of task stuff for folks to work on
  129. Feb 19 14:35:21 <add1sun>       but what i'd *really* love
  130. Feb 19 14:35:32 <add1sun>       is if we could get a few people to volunteer
  131. Feb 19 14:35:40 <add1sun>       to help out on sprint day
  132. Feb 19 14:35:47 <add1sun>       which means
  133. Feb 19 14:35:54 <add1sun>       as people come in to help, set them up with tasks
  134. Feb 19 14:36:11 <add1sun>       answer questons
  135. Feb 19 14:36:21 <add1sun>       set people up on IRC, if needed
  136. Feb 19 14:36:32 <add1sun>       basically help guide new folks
  137. Feb 19 14:36:49 <add1sun>       because at large sprints i get torn in too many directions
  138. Feb 19 14:36:54 <add1sun>       and can't attend to everyone
  139. Feb 19 14:37:12 <add1sun>       and i'm hoping to get a *lot* of new/cruious folks
  140. Feb 19 14:37:40 <add1sun>       i also recognize that people won't spend all day on doc sprint.have to lkeave etc
  141. Feb 19 14:37:53 <LeeHunter>     I can help out.
  142. Feb 19 14:37:54 <add1sun>       so if i could get a few people to volunteer for shifts
  143. Feb 19 14:37:55 <Senpai>        Is Sprint Day saturday or sunday?
  144. Feb 19 14:37:57 <add1sun>       that would be great
  145. Feb 19 14:38:03 <LeeHunter>     Saturday
  146. Feb 19 14:38:04 <add1sun>       saturday
  147. Feb 19 14:38:12 <add1sun>       it goes from 9-5
  148. Feb 19 14:38:21 <Senpai>        I could do the morning shift.
  149. Feb 19 14:38:34 <_JohnNoc_>     i'll be on IRC to help out. can't make it to DC
  150. Feb 19 14:38:44 *       Senpai thought that doc sprint was on Sunday, and thus booked a flight accordingly.
  151. Feb 19 14:38:45 <add1sun>       _JohnNoc_, actually, yes that would be awesoe
  152. Feb 19 14:38:52 <add1sun>       because many folks will come on IRC
  153. Feb 19 14:38:57 <add1sun>       and I can't pay attention
  154. Feb 19 14:39:12 <add1sun>       so having a few people focused solely on the IRC channel would be great!
  155. Feb 19 14:39:12 <Senpai>        I'll volunteer to help people setup and use IRC... ;-)
  156. Feb 19 14:39:18 <add1sun>       Senpai, ha ;)
  157. Feb 19 14:39:40 <Senpai>        "What is 'Irk', and how do you use it?"
  158. Feb 19 14:39:56 *       ronaldmulero (n=changeth@c-24-60-249-18.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #drupal-docs
  159. Feb 19 14:40:03 <add1sun>       so maybe what i'll do is send a mail out to the list
  160. Feb 19 14:40:11 <add1sun>       orr
  161. Feb 19 14:40:18 <add1sun>       should i do a doodle
  162. Feb 19 14:40:20 <add1sun>       or hm
  163. Feb 19 14:40:28 <add1sun>       ideas on how to organize this? ;-)
  164. Feb 19 14:42:21 <add1sun>       ok, i'll mail the list and see ;)
  165. Feb 19 14:42:29 <_JohnNoc_>     :-)
  166. Feb 19 14:43:01 <add1sun>       does anyone else have questions about the sprint?
  167. Feb 19 14:43:16 <add1sun>       or about the editorial guide stuff?
  168. Feb 19 14:43:38 <LeeHunter>     I've created the page here: http://drupal.org/node/377274
  169. Feb 19 14:43:58 <LeeHunter>     Lost the little doodads
  170. Feb 19 14:43:59 <add1sun>       woot!
  171. Feb 19 14:44:18 <add1sun>       ah yeah well content matters over pretty :-)
  172. Feb 19 14:45:11 <add1sun>       great, well i'll do a quick summary email out to the list
  173. Feb 19 14:45:16 <add1sun>       that points to that page
  174. Feb 19 14:45:38 <add1sun>       and a separate one about helping out with the sprint
  175. Feb 19 14:46:19 <add1sun>       unless someone has more to add, i think we are good to go
  176. Feb 19 14:46:29 <LeeHunter>     one more thing
  177. Feb 19 14:46:32 <add1sun>       yep
  178. Feb 19 14:47:22 <LeeHunter>     Just wondering about the BtB guide after the upgrade. It's in a terrible state. Any idea what might be done/is being done?
  179. Feb 19 14:47:40 <add1sun>       yeah well AFAIK the upgrade team is still working on fires like that
  180. Feb 19 14:47:49 <add1sun>       it has to do with the menu system
  181. Feb 19 14:48:03 <add1sun>       so i think it will take them some time to sort it out and get a solution deployed
  182. Feb 19 14:48:14 <LeeHunter>     Wondering if we should add a note to the BtB landing page so that people don't get confused.
  183. Feb 19 14:48:18 <add1sun>       but they are aware and working on the bugs as much as they can
  184. Feb 19 14:48:27 <add1sun>       LeeHunter, i'd say that is a good idea
  185. Feb 19 14:48:37 <add1sun>       it is horribly scresed up :/
  186. Feb 19 14:48:43 <add1sun>       er screwed
  187. Feb 19 14:48:44 <LeeHunter>     K I'll do that now
  188. Feb 19 14:49:15 <LeeHunter>     stressed  + screwed = scresed
  189. Feb 19 14:49:15 <add1sun>       i've also been advising people to not add new pages right now
  190. Feb 19 14:49:20 <add1sun>       lol
  191. Feb 19 14:49:24 <shannonlucas>  add1sun, toddross - there is a drupal 6 version of typogrify
  192. Feb 19 14:50:08 <toddross>      shannonlucas add1sun: IIRC, we needed to make some adjustments to its use of dashes, backticks, and some other things -- stuff our custom module did. still the case?
  193. Feb 19 14:50:15 <add1sun>       shannonlucas, it needs a good tire-kicking, security and performance reviewy
  194. Feb 19 14:50:21 <add1sun>       plus toddross ... yeah
  195. Feb 19 14:50:24 <add1sun>       what he said ;)
  196. Feb 19 14:51:10 <add1sun>       toddross, shannonlucas if we could give it a good going over and feature look before DC
  197. Feb 19 14:51:27 <add1sun>       i'd love to corner a sec team person and make them review it there ;)
  198. Feb 19 14:51:27 <toddross>      shannonlucas add1sun: we should also look into some preprocess magic. typogrifying titles and other bits of text that don't typically get the full typography treatment on the web.
  199. Feb 19 14:51:45 <add1sun>       toddross, ah yeah right
  200. Feb 19 14:52:00 <toddross>      add1sun shannonlucas: neil drumm may be willing to help with that. i'll see.
  201. Feb 19 14:52:17 <add1sun>       coolio
  202. Feb 19 14:52:19 <toddross>      performancey reviewish stuff, that is ^^
  203. Feb 19 14:54:34 <add1sun>       woohoo ok, so we actually finished comfortably on time!
  204. Feb 19 14:54:56 <add1sun>       thanks to all for coming
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