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(2008-10-25 00:29:53) perlmonkey2: So if my utility will do business with a 'small electric producers' and buy up to 100MW at $.03 KwH, and I can get an additional $.015HwH federal subsidy, why don't home builders put up tons of wind turbines and make some serious bank?  That is a gross of $400K year.
 no that's actually $40M/yr
(2008-10-25 00:42:25) perlmonkey2: kerm|t: but the nightly lows are usually around $.05kwh
(2008-10-25 00:42:58) perlmonkey2: so just letting the power onto their lines nets them $.02kwh as long as it isn't cutting into their base load sales.
(2008-10-25 00:45:33) perlmonkey2: kerm|t: but the parts to put together a 5 meter turbine would be about $500.  This should average about 1.2kwh throughout the year.
 i think he meant 1.2kW
(2008-10-25 00:46:01) kerm|t: i dont know if thats a popular hobby
(2008-10-25 00:46:09) kerm|t: as we established you're not counting labor costs
(2008-10-25 00:46:19) kerm|t: i think the large turbines are most economical when the labor isnt free
(2008-10-25 00:46:23) perlmonkey2: grossing $400k at max is a big payback?
(2008-10-25 00:46:41) kerm|t: at least, ive never seen a farm of lots of tiny ones, and they seem to keep getting bigger
(2008-10-25 00:46:48) perlmonkey2: neither have I
(2008-10-25 00:49:37) kerm|t: are distribution costs high enough that it'd be cheaper to put one in lots of places than lots in one place?
(2008-10-25 00:52:37) perlmonkey2: kerm|t: I have no idea
(2008-10-25 00:53:12) perlmonkey2: but 100MW is a lot of power considering the average home uses 1kw/h
 my god after a month i'm using 260MW!!  They're going to know I'm growing pot now.
(2008-10-25 00:53:38) perlmonkey2: That is enough power for 100,000 homes.
(2008-10-25 00:53:46) astrolabe: kw/h is not a sensible unit
(2008-10-25 00:54:08) perlmonkey2: kw/library of congress?
(2008-10-25 00:54:24) astrolabe: better
(2008-10-25 00:54:29) kerm|t: "1kw/h" you mean 1kwh ?
(2008-10-25 00:54:34) kerm|t: er 1kw
(2008-10-25 00:54:42) perlmonkey2: 1kw per hour
(2008-10-25 00:54:51) kerm|t: that is not a valid unit
(2008-10-25 00:55:08) perlmonkey2: how else would you measure power?
(2008-10-25 00:55:13) kerm|t: power is in watts
(2008-10-25 00:55:26) kerm|t: you mean 1kwh/h
(2008-10-25 00:55:29) kerm|t: which is just 1wk
(2008-10-25 00:55:31) kerm|t: er 1kw
(2008-10-25 00:56:27) perlmonkey2: ah, the utility company prices their electricity in kilowatts per hour.
(2008-10-25 00:56:49) kerm|t: no, they price it in killowatt hours
(2008-10-25 00:56:50) perlmonkey2: like if you draw 1kw over the course of an hour, you will have used 1kw/h
(2008-10-25 00:56:55) astrolabe: No.  Probably kilowatt-hours.  That's a unit of energy.
(2008-10-25 00:56:57) kerm|t: no, thats 1kwh
(2008-10-25 00:57:03) kerm|t: astrolabe: ty
(2008-10-25 00:57:45) perlmonkey2: kerm|t: what would you believe the difference is between 1kwh and 1kw/h ?
(2008-10-25 00:58:02) perlmonkey2: because to me the difference looks superficial.
(2008-10-25 00:58:12) kerm|t: the difference is that 1kw/h is only used by people who dont know what they're talking about and arent saying what they mean to
(2008-10-25 00:58:23) kerm|t: you mean kwh, i assure you
(2008-10-25 00:58:34) perlmonkey2: ah, did I fluster you?
(2008-10-25 00:58:39) perlmonkey2: you sound angry
(2008-10-25 00:58:55) kerm|t: its just funny you're trying to solve the worlds energy problems but you dont know what a kwh is
(2008-10-25 00:59:25) perlmonkey2: kerm|t: I just gave you the definition.
(2008-10-25 00:59:28) astrolabe: The difference is that kwh is power time time (which is energy), kw/h is power divided by time, which you would use to measure the rate of increase of power requirement, but isn't what we are talking about.
(2008-10-25 00:59:33) perlmonkey2: and you sputtered some crap about how I was wrong.
(2008-10-25 00:59:39) kerm|t: astrolabe: ty
(2008-10-25 00:59:43) perlmonkey2: holy crap
(2008-10-25 00:59:57) perlmonkey2: that is what I just said.  two illiterate jerkoffs
(2008-10-25 01:00:20) kerm|t: astrolabe: and just for discussion sake, what is the most common use of "kw/h"?   and also the second most common, as i listed the first.
(2008-10-25 01:00:21) astrolabe: right.  You caught us.
(2008-10-25 01:00:55) astrolabe: I'll hand my maths PhD back, and resign my job as a scientist.
(2008-10-25 01:01:13) perlmonkey2: astrolabe: about time you did that, asshole
(2008-10-25 01:02:13) kerm|t: perlmonkey2:  have you seen this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMovXzVOzc4
(2008-10-25 01:02:42) perlmonkey2: kerm|t: no more videos of your mom.  enough is enough man
(2008-10-25 01:02:57) kerm|t: perlmonkey2: its free energy from water!
(2008-10-25 01:03:32) perlmonkey2: kerm|t: I know what your mom has to do with free and energy, but not water.
(2008-10-25 01:06:43) perlmonkey2: Can't believe you two jerkoffs game me shit because I, like every other person who never deals with electricty measurements, used kw/h for kwh.  You're like those assholes who get all pissy if you don't use the correct emphasis for the country Hungary.  grammar nazis are worse than useless
(2008-10-25 01:07:40) bazhang: its kilowatt-hour
(2008-10-25 01:07:51) bazhang: not per hour
 this is an http://xkcd.com/386/ moment
(2008-10-25 01:07:57) astrolabe: When you say 'game me shit', I assume you mean 'corrected you'.
(2008-10-25 01:09:15) bazhang: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watt-hour
(2008-10-25 01:10:10) kerm|t: ill concede i lacked tact in my correcting, but astrolabe was quite formal.
(2008-10-25 01:10:56) perlmonkey2: kerm|t: hm, no reading back it seems always clear that I couldn't have meant anything but kwh.
(2008-10-25 01:11:38) perlmonkey2: you two became fucking pedantic nitpickers.  who gives a shit.
(2008-10-25 01:12:10) astrolabe: But, don't you think it's important to know the difference between x per y and xys?
(2008-10-25 01:12:30) astrolabe: I'm baffled that you call it nit-picking.
(2008-10-25 01:13:08) perlmonkey2: astrolabe: maybe I just don't understand.  If you have a draw of 1 kw for the period of 1 hour, what is that unit and value?
(2008-10-25 01:13:58) astrolabe: That's 1 kwh.  You can tell that you multiply, because if you drew 1 kw for 2 hours, you would have 2kwh.
(2008-10-25 01:14:08) perlmonkey2: exactly
(2008-10-25 01:14:21) perlmonkey2: so what is your other definition that I don't seem to get
(2008-10-25 01:14:47) perlmonkey2: kw is instantaneous draw, so what would 1 kw per hour even mean if not 1kwh?
(2008-10-25 01:15:18) kerm|t: perlmonkey2: i guess to people who have spent a lot working with various fundamental units, when someone gets them wrong it sounds like "i drove for 12 grams and used 4 inches of gas" or something.
(2008-10-25 01:15:20) astrolabe: Having a / between two units means you are dividing one quantity by another, for example if you travel 1 mile in 2 hours, you are going at 1/2 mile per hour.
(2008-10-25 01:15:47) astrolabe: And per means the same as /
(2008-10-25 01:16:42) kerm|t: perlmonkey2: but you're rigth, it was pedantic, i'm sorry.
(2008-10-25 01:16:49) perlmonkey2: astrolabe: ah, so to take it as a literal definition didn't make any sense and there was only one obvious way to understand it, but you wanted to be pedantic about my grammar?  Do you feel better now?  Get it all out of your OCD rattled brain?
(2008-10-25 01:17:30) perlmonkey2: kerm|t: don't apologize, if I was right or wrong, the verbal sword play was fun :P
 "if"..  he still doesnt get it
(2008-10-25 01:17:37) astrolabe: perlmonkey2: At first, I honestly thought I was doing you a favour, but when you started being obnoxious, I didn't care about pissing you off.
(2008-10-25 01:18:09) perlmonkey2: hold up, let me go back and read if you were 'doing me a favor' and I took it wrong.
(2008-10-25 01:18:29) kerm|t: there are two kinds of people... those who want to be corrected, and those who dont.
(2008-10-25 01:21:35) astrolabe: It's always worrying when people start denying stuff.