Jun 15 02:27:36 <Nicd->	keynote time
Jun 15 02:28:35 <GentSir>	As long it's not Apple
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Jun 15 02:29:03 <Nicd->	jolla of course
Jun 15 02:29:13 <GentSir>	Anything good expected?
Jun 15 02:29:14 <Nicd->	at devaamo summit
Jun 15 02:29:22 <Nicd->	no idea
Jun 15 02:29:25 <GentSir>	Or is there a stream?
Jun 15 02:29:27 <Nicd->	thivk th
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Jun 15 02:29:30 <Nicd->	oops
Jun 15 02:29:56 <Nicd->	think the titlewas developing for sailfish
Jun 15 02:30:10 <Nicd->	damn lumia keyboard
Jun 15 02:31:20 <GentSir>	I've always been curious as to the current phones of the people here
Jun 15 02:31:37 <Nicd->	I'm like 5 meters from Marc
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Jun 15 02:32:10 <GentSir>	If you get your hands on a Jolla check for a data port between the halves :)
Jun 15 02:32:21 <Nicd->	I have a lumia 900 from work because my N900 broke
Jun 15 02:32:27 <Nicd->	haha yeah
Jun 15 02:32:38 <GentSir>	As many people in here know, I use an e71
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Jun 15 02:37:34 <GentSir>	I've been looking at the blackberry q10 until I can get my hands on a jolla
Jun 15 02:38:14 <Nicd->	no devices tiday
Jun 15 02:38:19 <Nicd->	today
Jun 15 02:38:32 <GentSir>	:(
Jun 15 02:39:15 <Nicd->	sailfish is going after android
Jun 15 02:39:17 <GentSir>	Any news on sailfish sdk moving to qt5?
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Jun 15 02:40:31 <Nicd->	gotta wait
Jun 15 02:41:18 <GentSir>	oh well
Jun 15 02:41:56 <GentSir>	I'm probably going to go get a q10, as it's going to be awhile before I can get a jolla
Jun 15 02:42:30 <GentSir>	Might hunt me up an x86 device that can be used as sailfish test hardware in the meantime
Jun 15 02:44:40 <Stskeeps>	morn
Jun 15 02:44:56 <GentSir>	Morning mate
Jun 15 02:49:29 <Nicd->	"everybody wants a qwerty"
Jun 15 02:49:54 <Nicd->	speaking of hw keyboard
Jun 15 02:50:10 <Nicd->	as other half
Jun 15 02:50:21 <GentSir>	qwerty is like a must-have for me
Jun 15 02:50:38 <GentSir>	That's why I still use an e71, qwerty >3
Jun 15 02:50:45 <GentSir>	err, qwerty <3
Jun 15 02:51:07 <Nicd->	think he said it's something they'll probably do
Jun 15 02:51:32 <GentSir>	There has to be a prototype already
Jun 15 02:51:51 <Nicd->	or that it's a popular idea and technologically possible
Jun 15 02:51:55 <GentSir>	The "Other Half" designs they have so far can't be all colored cases :/
Jun 15 02:52:53 <Nicd->	"sailfish can run on any android device"
Jun 15 02:53:05 <GentSir>	Any?
Jun 15 02:53:28 <GentSir>	That's easy to say, but what's the difficulty of getting it on your average android device?
Jun 15 02:54:08 <GentSir>	I have an Atrix2 I'd flash with sailfish without any hesitation
Jun 15 02:54:29 <elias_a>	There's clearly a slip of tongue there....
Jun 15 02:54:43 <Nicd->	hahaha
Jun 15 02:54:58 <Stskeeps>	aw, there's free soda afterwards and i'm not there
Jun 15 02:55:11 <GentSir>	Or did he mean, any phone with similar hardware to android phones?
Jun 15 02:55:35 <Nicd->	"vesku are you going to demo sailfish to us?" ... "uhh no" :D
Jun 15 02:55:42 <GentSir>	:(
Jun 15 02:56:34 <elias_a>	They meant to say "it is easy to put it inside any android device" (on a memory card) Should not have said anuthing about running it :P
Jun 15 02:56:52 <Stskeeps>	or possibly, that sailfishos can leverage android hardware adaptations? just a thought
Jun 15 02:57:34 <GentSir>	This ambiguous wording does not inspire confidence
Jun 15 02:57:55 <Stskeeps>	unless you want to go into really deep details that's really only way you can say it
Jun 15 02:58:08 <Stskeeps>	else it'd very quickly expand to a huge list of conditions for when that is true
Jun 15 02:58:14 <Nicd->	it'
Jun 15 02:58:18 <Nicd->	darn
Jun 15 02:58:33 <GentSir>	Stskeeps, fair enough
Jun 15 02:58:58 <Nicd->	he's speaking kind of improv so it's understandable
Jun 15 02:59:09 <GentSir>	The second a hwkb is announced is when I'm 100% sold
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Jun 15 02:59:56 <Nicd->	q: can service provider lock device? a: no locks planned other than for in-app payment but it's still open
Jun 15 03:00:38 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	Nicd-: source ?
Jun 15 03:01:02 <Nicd->	marc dillon
Jun 15 03:01:06 <GentSir>	Sfiet_Konstantin, they're at a jolla keynote at a conference right now
Jun 15 03:01:25 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	is there a strerazm ?
Jun 15 03:01:41 <mikhas>	which event?
Jun 15 03:01:47 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	mikhas: devaamo
Jun 15 03:01:47 <GentSir>	Sfiet_Konstantin, I looked, couldn't find one
Jun 15 03:01:47 <Stskeeps>	devaamo
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Jun 15 03:01:50 <Nicd->	don't think so
Jun 15 03:01:53 <mikhas>	ah of course
Jun 15 03:02:08 <Nicd->	break and then sailfish app development
Jun 15 03:02:42 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	Nicd-: youa re at the event ?
Jun 15 03:03:13 <Nicd->	yes
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Jun 15 03:03:19 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	lucky !
Jun 15 03:03:23 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	thanks for the live report
Jun 15 03:03:26 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	that's nice of you
Jun 15 03:03:27 <mikhas>	well, I just talked about Maliit in Tokyo ;-)
Jun 15 03:03:35 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	mikhas: coool
Jun 15 03:03:44 <GentSir>	Yeah, pass on anything interesting :)
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Jun 15 03:04:34 <mikhas>	well, it's a local UG event: http://www.zusaar.com/event/751005
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Jun 15 03:04:51 <Nicd->	sorry this is going to be a bad live report
Jun 15 03:05:04 <Nicd->	because the keyboard is terrible
Jun 15 03:05:10 <Nicd->	so slow to type
Jun 15 03:05:11 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	Nicd-: not a problem
Jun 15 03:05:13 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	(n9 ?)
Jun 15 03:05:18 <GentSir>	Lumia
Jun 15 03:05:27 <GentSir>	Keyboard sucks because it's touch :)
Jun 15 03:05:28 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	GentSir: Lumia kbd isn't that bad
Jun 15 03:05:40 <GentSir>	Sfiet_Konstantin, I
Jun 15 03:05:47 <Nicd->	I'm not used to touch kb
Jun 15 03:05:51 <GentSir>	Sfiet_Konstantin, I'm not a fan of any touch kb
Jun 15 03:05:58 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	GentSir: ok, Nicd-: ok
Jun 15 03:06:02 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	not a problem
Jun 15 03:06:05 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	good luck :)
Jun 15 03:06:42 <Nicd->	also I cannot multitask (look at browser) because of wp7
Jun 15 03:06:44 <mikhas>	why not have a Bluetooth HWKB?
Jun 15 03:07:04 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	mikhas: don't like: bluetooth consume power
Jun 15 03:07:15 <Stskeeps>	everything consumes power
Jun 15 03:07:15 <GentSir>	mikhas, power and prone to RF interference
Jun 15 03:07:16 <Stskeeps>	:P
Jun 15 03:07:26 <Nicd->	demoing grok on n9 and sailfish emu
Jun 15 03:07:53 <mikhas>	a HWKB used by a hacker should generate enouhg power for BT link
Jun 15 03:08:06 <Nicd->	and tweetian
Jun 15 03:08:12 *	mikhas goes to patent office website
Jun 15 03:10:16 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	Nicd-: what is grok actually ?
Jun 15 03:10:32 <Nicd->	rss client I think
Jun 15 03:10:42 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	Nicd-: ok :)
Jun 15 03:10:44 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	cool
Jun 15 03:11:00 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	sounds like the name of an orc warlord though ...
Jun 15 03:11:35 <Nicd->	going to qt5 and wayland
Jun 15 03:11:45 <GentSir>	Nicd-, qt5 for sailfish news?
Jun 15 03:11:50 <Nicd->	in the future
Jun 15 03:12:14 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	Nicd-: what is going Qt5 Wayland ?
Jun 15 03:12:19 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	Nemo ? Sailfish ?
Jun 15 03:12:22 <Nicd->	sailfish
Jun 15 03:12:34 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	https://twitter.com/faenil/status/345800853178957824/photo/1/large
Jun 15 03:12:35 <Nicd->	and nemo is already going thefe
Jun 15 03:12:48 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	Follow @faenil on Twitter
Jun 15 03:12:50 <Nicd->	there*
Jun 15 03:13:04 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	Nicd-: yeah, we have seen that (Nemo --> Qt5 / WL)
Jun 15 03:13:09 <Nicd->	I cannot open that
Jun 15 03:13:29 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	Nicd-: not a problem, just a tweet about the WL slide you are seeing
Jun 15 03:13:33 <Nicd->	about qt5 he said sailfish will
Jun 15 03:13:40 <Nicd->	darn
Jun 15 03:13:47 <GentSir>	Nicd-, here's the image from it: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BMyICzkCQAAFvw7.jpg:large
Jun 15 03:14:02 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	Nicd-: hope that it will be for the first sailfish release
Jun 15 03:14:13 <GentSir>	Hopefully
Jun 15 03:14:14 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	because WL / Qt5 are awesome
Jun 15 03:14:26 <Nicd->	qt5 & sailfish: future proof, fast, better hw adaptations
Jun 15 03:14:41 <Nicd->	I cannot open any links
Jun 15 03:14:47 <GentSir>	I have practically no qt experience, learning from scratch :/
Jun 15 03:14:55 <Nicd->	because no multitasking
Jun 15 03:14:57 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	GentSir: any C++ experience ?
Jun 15 03:15:03 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	Nicd-: don't panic
Jun 15 03:15:04 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	it is ok
Jun 15 03:15:13 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	the links were for other people
Jun 15 03:15:13 <GentSir>	Sfiet_Konstantin, a little. Mostly Python, but I'm learning
Jun 15 03:15:21 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	GentSir: then start PyQt
Jun 15 03:15:32 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	even if PyQt / PySide requires knowledge of Qt
Jun 15 03:15:33 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	so C++
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Jun 15 03:15:57 <GentSir>	Sfiet_Konstantin, I'll look at it, thank you
Jun 15 03:16:16 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	https://twitter.com/faenil/status/345801632170246145/photo/1/large
Jun 15 03:16:26 <GentSir>	Might be better just to learn the native c++ though
Jun 15 03:16:54 <Nicd->	q: will sdk have two virtualboxes in the future too? a: yes we feel it is cleaner
Jun 15 03:17:03 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	GentSir: yes
Jun 15 03:17:07 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	Nicd-: good that's good
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Jun 15 03:17:24 <GentSir>	Sfiet_Konstantin, I know it's a minimal amount of c++ for most stuff anyway
Jun 15 03:17:38 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	GentSir: but Qt C++ is ... very specific
Jun 15 03:17:45 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	is very Qt
Jun 15 03:17:47 <GentSir>	In what way?
Jun 15 03:18:20 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	well, it is not as crude as pure C++ (+ stl)
Jun 15 03:18:29 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	and provides a lot of facilities
Jun 15 03:18:33 <GentSir>	It's just crude and tricky to use?
Jun 15 03:18:38 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	i often compare it to Java
Jun 15 03:18:45 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	GentSir: no, it is efficient and easy to use
Jun 15 03:18:53 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	just beware of pointers (sometiomes)
Jun 15 03:18:56 <GentSir>	Aren't html5/js supported as well?
Jun 15 03:19:00 <GentSir>	I've never used pointers
Jun 15 03:19:34 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	GentSir: pointers is the basis of C / C++
Jun 15 03:19:44 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	GentSir: please, don't atlk about html5 here
Jun 15 03:19:49 Sage saidinesh5 saltsa_ Sarvi ScriptRipper Sfiet_Konstantin ShadowJK Shura simbrown Sinbad sirdancealo2 sledges smokex special SpeedEvil Stskeeps
Jun 15 03:19:53 <Nicd->	sdk live demo
Jun 15 03:19:54 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	there is QML + JS for UI
Jun 15 03:19:58 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	something really awesome
Jun 15 03:20:00 <GentSir>	Sfiet_Konstantin, what's the taboo on html5?
Jun 15 03:20:04 <Nicd->	why not html5?
Jun 15 03:20:07 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	GentSir: I don't like it :D
Jun 15 03:20:17 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	slow / painful / hard to write
Jun 15 03:20:19 <Stskeeps>	no taboo on html5, just not very advertised :P
Jun 15 03:20:41 <GentSir>	Sfiet_Konstantin, all valid arguments. Only html I know is for basic web design
Jun 15 03:21:05 <Nicd->	hehehe remorse timer
Jun 15 03:21:14 <GentSir>	remorse timer?
Jun 15 03:21:16 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	Nicd-: Love that remorse timer
Jun 15 03:21:41 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	GentSir: a large bar decreasing to zero. When reaching zero, an action (like delmete all) is done
Jun 15 03:21:45 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	tap it to cancel
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Jun 15 03:21:58 <GentSir>	What is the point of that?
Jun 15 03:22:04 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	Nicd-: question (if there is question time): can remorse timer be faster
Jun 15 03:22:06 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	?
Jun 15 03:22:08 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	3 sec ?
Jun 15 03:22:12 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	GentSir: to cancel an action
Jun 15 03:22:28 <Nicd->	I'd assume so
Jun 15 03:22:40 <GentSir>	So it replaces the "Are you sure you want to make this action" dialog?
Jun 15 03:22:48 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	GentSir: yeah
Jun 15 03:22:51 <Nicd->	would be pretty strange if it wasn't
Jun 15 03:22:56 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	and if you don('t want to cancel, just ignore it
Jun 15 03:23:06 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	Nicd-: it is 5 sec now, cannot be configured, and prettuy slow
Jun 15 03:23:13 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	that's why I asked
Jun 15 03:23:14 <GentSir>	So you tap the screen within 10 seconds if you don't want to delete your entire sd card? :)
Jun 15 03:23:22 <Nicd->	he has terminal icon in his sdk
Jun 15 03:23:37 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	GentSir: no, you tap the progress bar that goes down to zero
Jun 15 03:23:39 <Nicd->	bottom row in home screen
Jun 15 03:23:44 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	Nicd-: I guess it is fingerterm
Jun 15 03:23:57 <Nicd->	green terminal icon
Jun 15 03:24:12 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	Nicd-: yeah, I have two of them :D
Jun 15 03:24:20 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	it is the default icon (called "terminal")
Jun 15 03:24:34 <Nicd->	q: can I change cover actiobs
Jun 15 03:24:38 <Nicd->	darn
Jun 15 03:24:39 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	and both meego-terminal and fingerterm use that icon
Jun 15 03:24:49 <Nicd->	actions runtime
Jun 15 03:24:55 <Nicd->	a: yes
Jun 15 03:25:07 <GentSir>	Is there being recorded for us plebes to watch later?
Jun 15 03:25:16 <GentSir>	s/there/this
Jun 15 03:25:19 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	Nicd-: ask: what is the best UI pattern for replacing "tabs" in Silica
Jun 15 03:25:25 <GentSir>	I mix up words when I'm tired :/
Jun 15 03:25:33 <Nicd->	whoever decided that backspace and enter are next to eachother
Jun 15 03:26:18 <Nicd->	sfiet: maybe
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Jun 15 03:26:58 <Nicd->	he is making a clock app with qml
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Jun 15 03:27:44 <GentSir>	Tell him to make a "ship phone" app
Jun 15 03:27:46 <GentSir>	:)
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Jun 15 03:29:47 <Nicd->	q: is it possible to do whole application in qml? a: yes but not everything in the platform is available
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Jun 15 03:30:48 <Stskeeps>	for all that there's the c++ extensions
Jun 15 03:31:35 <Nicd->	q: somebody asked sfiet's tab question
Jun 15 03:32:07 <Nicd->	a: I don't think we have a single answer
Jun 15 03:32:16 <Nicd->	nothing in silica yet
Jun 15 03:32:28 <SKonstantin_N9>	Nicd-, shoud be faenil
Jun 15 03:32:30 <SKonstantin_N9>	:(
Jun 15 03:32:38 <SKonstantin_N9>	dissapointing
Jun 15 03:32:52 <Nicd->	it was a man
Jun 15 03:33:11 <Nicd->	but maybe faenil is a man, I don't l
Jun 15 03:33:16 <Nicd->	know
Jun 15 03:33:22 <SKonstantin_N9>	he is :D
Jun 15 03:33:23 <GentSir>	Isn't everyone here a man?
Jun 15 03:33:28 <Nicd->	the end
Jun 15 03:33:28 <SKonstantin_N9>	no
Jun 15 03:33:31 <GentSir>	I kid
Jun 15 03:33:32 <SKonstantin_N9>	ask iekku
Jun 15 03:33:36 <SKonstantin_N9>	:)
Jun 15 03:33:58 <GentSir>	I'd rather not get chewed out this early :)
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Jun 15 03:34:49 <Nicd->	stuöi
Jun 15 03:34:54 <Nicd->	darn
Jun 15 03:34:57 <Nicd->	again
Jun 15 03:35:17 <SKonstantin_N9>	lol
Jun 15 03:35:24 <Nicd->	I hate rhis phone :D
Jun 15 03:35:38 <GentSir>	Nicd-, that's the spirit!
Jun 15 03:35:42 <Nicd->	this
Jun 15 03:36:02 <Nicd->	no multitasking, terrible kb
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Jun 15 03:36:16 <Nicd->	imma get some soda
Jun 15 03:36:23 <GentSir>	Call Nokia and complain :)
Jun 15 03:36:42 <Nicd->	can tou tell me what's next as I can't open the browser?
Jun 15 03:36:45 <Nicd->	you
Jun 15 03:37:05 <GentSir>	Where should I look for that?
Jun 15 03:37:22 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	http://summit.devaamo.fi/2013/program/
Jun 15 03:37:26 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	Nicd-: Qt on WP
Jun 15 03:37:31 <Nicd->	or
Jun 15 03:37:42 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	(subtitle: "... a match made in Finland ...")
Jun 15 03:37:44 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	:D
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Jun 15 03:38:02 <GentSir>	That's funny
Jun 15 03:38:03 <Nicd->	what else?
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Jun 15 03:38:20 <GentSir>	HSL Navigator at the same time as qt on wp
Jun 15 03:38:27 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	Nicd-: just after is Qt and Mer, from idea to production
Jun 15 03:38:41 <Nicd->	ok thanks
Jun 15 03:38:45 <Nicd->	ooh pepsi
Jun 15 03:38:53 <GentSir>	I prefer mountain dew
Jun 15 03:39:01 <Nicd->	probably hsl nav then
Jun 15 03:39:07 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	Nicd-: :(
Jun 15 03:39:14 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	because Qt + WP can be interesting
Jun 15 03:39:36 <Nicd->	choices: coke, coke zero, jaffa, pepsi
Jun 15 03:39:44 <GentSir>	Qt+WP might be interesting if you didn't have to actually use the device
Jun 15 03:39:55 <Nicd->	but it's wp
Jun 15 03:40:10 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	still, it is the only platform not having Qt running
Jun 15 03:40:12 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	(+ FFOS)
Jun 15 03:40:30 <Nicd->	ok I'll go
Jun 15 03:40:54 <GentSir>	Nicd-, here's the only WP I've owned https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-gc6q7OfI6ag/TzErAHEHkyI/AAAAAAAAAVY/a_O3dyiclGY/s512/2012-02-07_08-44-52_538.jpg
Jun 15 03:41:07 <Nicd->	cannot open links
Jun 15 03:41:22 <GentSir>	https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-cu0BN4i9fGo/TzErO-yIWEI/AAAAAAAAAWA/qfd5pOC4B0w/s800/2012-02-07_08-46-12_678.jpg
Jun 15 03:41:30 <sledges>	anyone in devaamo could live write here
Jun 15 03:41:40 <Nicd->	have to close this to check battery status (thankd wp :D)
Jun 15 03:41:42 <sledges>	on jolla bits pls? :)
Jun 15 03:41:52 <GentSir>	It's a samsumg WP giving the equivalent of the blue screen of death :)
Jun 15 03:41:55 <Nicd->	I did already
Jun 15 03:41:57 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	sledges: it is finished :D
Jun 15 03:42:08 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	sledges: read the logs :)
Jun 15 03:42:17 <sledges>	ahhh overslept :D
Jun 15 03:42:36 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	haha
Jun 15 03:42:38 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	sec sledges
Jun 15 03:42:47 <Nicd->	about half of battery left :(
Jun 15 03:42:48 <GentSir>	4 hour party after? Finland knows what's up
Jun 15 03:43:15 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	sledges: damn, #JollaMobile is not logged
Jun 15 03:43:19 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	sledges: sec
Jun 15 03:43:32 <Nicd->	can't go to the party :(
Jun 15 03:43:43 <sledges>	ok.found backlg thanks Sfiet_Konstantin early.morningatill lol
Jun 15 03:43:58 <Sfiet_Konstantin>	sledges: would love a link