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<Allcryptocoins> So what is the deal with NobelCoin.
<Allcryptocoins> NobleCoin
<@miK-gym> in regards to what?
<Allcryptocoins> wiwell is it going pos
<Allcryptocoins> i had such high hopes for Noble :L9
<Allcryptocoins> :(
<@miK-gym> Its been a tough road man we've had some major security issues security the blockchain that have really done some serious damage
<@miK-gym> securing*
<@miK-gym> in regards to exchanges wanting to delist us
<Allcryptocoins> to read the PDF and then see this happens, might as well have burned the pdf
<Allcryptocoins> :(
<veremit> hmm that what I thought
<Rofo> what would you have us do
<Rofo> sit and get mined/51% to death while exchanges all remove us because they care even less about the pdf than you do now
<Allcryptocoins>  Rofo said all this stuff about how he was staying scrypt, then bowed to the pressure of whiners without asics
<veremit> how many exchanges have actualyl delisted nobl?
<Allcryptocoins> Rofo, i still care about the pdf. i believed in it, then it got spat on. that sucks
<veremit> or is it just hot air?
<Allcryptocoins> none
<Allcryptocoins> have delisted it
<Rofo> mintpal is 110 million coins behind. they have specifically said they would if we dont pay them or change. poloniex is freezing us more ofthen than not, and ive covered bittrex 65,000 NOBL lost already
<veremit> distilling the fact from the FUD is near impossible in this game
<Rofo> you think i just sit here and bullshit you
<veremit> ouch
<veremit> just sayin ..
<Rofo> let me share it with you ill find it
<Allcryptocoins> I still support NobleCoin but i feel you all need to know how much of a shit decision I think this is :(
<Allcryptocoins> what do you mean by behind? Rofo
<Rofo> i think its a shit decision too, i dont just sit around and debate on the forums all day
<Rofo> the battles and bullshit going on behind the scenes in this environment is beyond a joke
<veremit> :/
<Rofo> well i dont think its a shit decision, but it wasnt preferred
<Allcryptocoins> Rofo, i am not questiong your work on this project at all. I know you work like a crazy man lol
<Allcryptocoins> when you say behind, what do you mean
<Rofo> we actually spent a month or 2 contacting LTC pool devs and ive spoken to charlie lee (briefly and hes probably forgotten about it) about MM months ago
<Rofo> ive also promoted merge mining for security & publicly called for it on the DOGE reddit also
<Rofo> we did that for months before starting to think about PoS
<destroy``> meaning they have a loss
<Rofo> im talking about the corruption, out right lies on technology and the 1000s of btc being milked from this scene a week from groups who are taking it for a ride
<Rofo> some of these guys could 51% us every day on 1% of the profit they make for a laugh
<Allcryptocoins> so then no coin is safe is what im hearibng
<Allcryptocoins> hearing
<Allcryptocoins> So for recap, NobleCOin is going pos?
<veremit> I don't think with the decline in mining that any coin is home and dry .. but you don't see every coin getting drastically raped
<veremit> everyone's getting stupid see-saws but .. well .. I dunno.
<Rofo> ive been very open from inception the costs/risks/ease of beating security for PoW except for btc/ltc & doge (not for much longer with doge though)
<veremit> crypto is entering a new phase
<Allcryptocoins> and are you going to switch algos?
<Rofo> 'our overall loss is 127 million right now because of attacks, only way to help is to a) reduce our losses b) work out a way to secure the coin from futher attacks. getting to the point where it's not worth us keeping the coin on the market' - Mintpal
<Rofo> keep in mind that was a coin with 3GHs security & a difficulty of 40-50
<Allcryptocoins> and pos fixes this somehow?
<veremit> how are They makin a loss? surely thats not possible!?
<veremit> forgive my ignorance
<Rofo> 51% is easier to watch for with PoS
<Rofo> and costs more money, slightly harder to do
<Rofo> ignore the PoS trolls who claim PoS is immune to 51% especially when noone is staking
<Allcryptocoins> with places like MRR isnt it just as easy. i can rent 500 rigs and kill any coin
<Allcryptocoins> period
<Allcryptocoins> lol
<Rofo> yes exactly
<Rofo> ive been using mrr myself to secure it in the past months
<Rofo> the 'nobility' and 'knight' miner that appeared on chairty and poolerino for a month was us trying to combat it first
<Allcryptocoins> i think PoS is retarded actually
<Rofo> it had 150mhs
<Allcryptocoins> interest on a coin worth zero is still zero lol
<veremit> pos suits bagholders
<Rofo> pow suits miners, now i dont say all do, but what has happened to us for 6 months
<Rofo> mine & sell
<Allcryptocoins> pow suit miners for sure , like me, i still hold
<Allcryptocoins> i dont sell
<veremit> I've only sold a few coins ever
<veremit> Imust have a crazy portfolio lol
<Rofo> i understand and appreciate that, the issue is pow also gives more power to ppl who want to hurt/kill/profit other coins
<Allcryptocoins> well i have sold some on VoS
<Allcryptocoins> because the price was too good to pass up lol
<Rofo> our biggest public problem has been the BC multipools, other actors or who was behind 51% we have some ideas but will never be sure
<Rofo> at least BC was public about 'destroying' us and were quite proud of it at the time
<veremit> multi's you can't avoid
<Allcryptocoins> when someone wants to buy noblecoin for a cent a piece you sell lol
<veremit> just gotta be smart about handling it
<Allcryptocoins> Rofo, yeah i get all that i just dont see how chaning to PoS or any other form would fix that
<Allcryptocoins> is noble going to change algo?
<Rofo> PoS removes multipools and ASICs..
<Rofo> pos is coins generated by stake not mining
<Allcryptocoins> yeah i know, i meant before it went pos
<veremit> by owning coins, and keeping your wallet open .. I get that.
<Allcryptocoins> thats why i hate pos, stupid fucking whiners and criers without ascis.  so just fuck the rest of us
<Rofo> i doubt we'll change algo thats another round of fork/testing
<Rofo> i dont like fucking the genuine pow miners, but at our hash/value the non-genuine miners and there are a lot more of them will just fuck us instead
<Allcryptocoins> yeah i know, consider me one of the genuine miners who got royal fucked
<Allcryptocoins> lol
<Rofo> you might not be able to mine any more noble, but this should at least protect your current holdings & reward you for holding while cutting out the non-genuine miners
<Rofo> and with the PoS multipools toying with our profitability there are always better coins to mine
<veremit> sad
<Allcryptocoins> but pos is what 1%
<Allcryptocoins> a month lol
<Rofo> no
<Rofo> we will be a genuine PoS that promotes holding & securing/staking the blockchain
<Rofo> im doing more research today on the #'s/staking security these new generation PoS coins have
<Allcryptocoins> so what can someone with a million noble expect for pos interest in a month
<Allcryptocoins> how many coins
<Rofo> ill list our current range of values today after double-checking with presstab
<Rofo> you can probably compare us to something similar like HBN or TEK
<Rofo> rather than BC or MINT
<Allcryptocoins> Any idea when we can expect some sort of concrete info, when are we moving forward, what about the other coins you were going to make that played off of noble etc
<Rofo> just keeping noble secure and above water is enough for me for now, that info can and will come when we get all this sorted and resolved first
<veremit> well I shall watch and wait with great interest
<Allcryptocoins> so how can we help noble right now then. From the outside all people are seeing is a sinkingship, that changed to PoS to appease some miners and forgot about their core early adopters that supported this coin
<veremit> and wish you all the best .. climate is pretty rough for most coins
<veremit> got an 84hr block on my coin :/
<Rofo> people are actually quite happy that were forking to PoS and removing miners/ASIC uncertainty
<Rofo> a lot are anyway
<veremit> most coins that are actively changing shape are
<Allcryptocoins> lol and allot arent
<Allcryptocoins> alloooot
<Allcryptocoins> lol
<veremit> those with bottle aren't :D
<Rofo> yes i understand that, we cant make everyone happy as you can see in the thread
<Rofo> this path though resolves something more important
<veremit> I maintain .. did bitcoin change at every single hurdle!? nope ..
<Rofo> security, delisting and 51%s
<veremit> but .. nobl has its own problems
<Rofo> btc didnt change i wish we were btc and didnt have to
<Allcryptocoins> So i have a question about this Pos Garbage. could someone not just buy a shit ton of noble on exchanges, transfer it all to their wallets then get massive pos stake. which totaly defeats the purpose of POS
<veremit> mostly, yes :)
<Rofo> someone could do that yes, that is the purpose of PoS, buy/hold/stake/secure & if you care about the coin and your 'investment' promote/build
<Rofo> but
<Rofo> we will be dynamic stake, the more that stake the lower the % goes
<Rofo> so a balance will be found rather than inflation
<Allcryptocoins> how is that fair
<Allcryptocoins> lol
<Allcryptocoins> jesus
<veremit> have you looked at the pot/posv ?
<Rofo> how is it not fair..
<veremit> its just shit .. thats all lol :)
<Allcryptocoins> i get less stake for having more noble
<Allcryptocoins> that seems backwards
<Rofo> you buy a lot, you get rewarded a lot. just like mining, buy a lot of equipment, get rewarded a lot of coins
<Rofo> everyone gets less stake
<Rofo> more coins are off the exchange
<Allcryptocoins> you are saying the more noble i have the less stake i get
<Allcryptocoins> ?
<Rofo> price goes up as supply is being staked and the coin is more secure
<Rofo> the less stake & the less inflation, its a balance
<Rofo> perhaps you should read up on some PoS and make some decisions from that point
<Allcryptocoins> i have read lots on it. its actually why i hate it so much
<Allcryptocoins> lol
<Allcryptocoins> so any idea how long we have left for scrypt and Noble? seems i have some rigs to rent
<veremit> Allcryptocoins .. kitteh could use some hash :p lol
<Rofo> presstab has made the commits and is testing, i dont want to give a definite timeframe because it backfires but wed like a pos switch in 3 weeks
<Rofo> i imagine at this point there will still be pow/pos period
<Rofo> the info is being given once testing is confirmed/details ironed out
<veremit> yeah I'm considering hybrid for kitteh
<veremit> whatever it'll be a headache lol
<Allcryptocoins> ok so I have about 3 weeks left of my old favorite coin :(
* Allcryptocoins dies a little inside
<Allcryptocoins> lol
<Rofo> i understand your frustration i wasnt bullshitting when i made my case in the pdf and on the thread
<Allcryptocoins> it just seems like it now though
<Rofo> unfortunately we cant be a purist and remain true/genunie while others around us 51% and fuck with us
<Allcryptocoins> ya know
<Allcryptocoins> :(
<Allcryptocoins> but i believe you
<Allcryptocoins> R.I.P Noble *trumpets play*
<Allcryptocoins> lol
<Rofo> i always wanted mining because i believe that it represents giving the ability to create wealth to anyone
<Allcryptocoins> yep agreed
<Rofo> PoS works similar it just means your restricted to that coin to create wealth, which i dont like from a purist perspective becaues at least mining lets you vote on which coin to support
<Rofo> unfortunately mining lets you vote on which coin to fuck also, and more often than not thats become NOBL
<veremit> well you can hold as many wallets as you like
<Rofo> i think much of this might become clearer this year
<Rofo> right now PoS is what we have to do now though
<john____> hey Rofo how are things? are we looking good?
<veremit> I guess there's nothing stopping you reverting at a later stage
<john____> did bitsta contact you?
<veremit> its not totally one-way street
<Rofo> ahh i think he did john, ill get him on to presstab and they can chat
<Rofo> thanks
<Rofo> its def not a one-way street, for all we know the entire crypto world could backfire against PoS if it breaks and everyone in a year wants ASICs and to merge-mine
<Rofo> and that means noble is safer in that environment and we can become that
<veremit> lol so its not The End Allcryptocoins :P~
<veremit> but if you got some hashes spare .. ;) lol ...
<veremit> ok I'm out .. 4am and I gotta get up for work
<veremit> tues gonna suck balls :(
<Allcryptocoins> veremit, sorry the moment Noble turned its back on its core supporters was the day it died for me :(
<veremit> niters
<Allcryptocoins> john____, you peddling your automated shit in here now?
* veremit (~veremit@unaffiliated/veremit) Quit (Quit: <Insert witty quit message here>)
<Allcryptocoins> to b honest i hope PoS explodes all over itself and dies, once all these people realize there stake is worth jack because the coin has no value
<Rofo> our core supporters didnt back us just because of our algo, mining or scrypt
<Allcryptocoins> not just no, part of it was your pdf that and thinking "finnaly a coin who isnt full of shit"
<Allcryptocoins> lol
<Rofo> that just became an issue as they mine/sold and our hash/security/cap went down, and now people dont like ASICs
<Allcryptocoins> well its only people without ascis who dont like them
<Allcryptocoins> then try to fuck all the one who do have them lol
<Rofo> look im happy to admit i have to go back on what i said in the pdf, but i didnt say in the pdf im the dictator of this coin that makes all the decisions
<Rofo> nor would i want to be, its actually quite draining
<Rofo> i still dont blame ASICs for any of this nor believe they are the real problem behind it
<Allcryptocoins> yeah sorry. I am just so let down by your decsion and the way noble headed, i supported this coin and had faith in it, so obviously im pissed that once again another coin has bowed
<Allcryptocoins> but not a knock on you persoannly , i know how hard you work
<Rofo> i can stick to what i said in the pdf, and we WILL get 51%, forked into oblivion and delisted
<Rofo> or i can go back on the pdf
<Boreiv> allcryptocoins we can reverse the decisions later down the road when MM becomes possible
<Boreiv> survival takes priority
<Allcryptocoins> yep i agree Rofo , you think you only have two options and i would probably do the same if i thought i only had those options
<Boreiv> this is a matter of survival, i don't really see how it 'bows down' to anyone
<Rofo> do you have any other options in mind? please keep in mind our market cap and potential hash it would generate of any algo
<Allcryptocoins> Boreiv, then why arent all other coins doing this
<Allcryptocoins> they seem to be jsut fine
<Allcryptocoins> with POW
<Boreiv> BC pools can fuck em just as easy
<Rofo> most scrypt coins from our time are dead and gone
<Allcryptocoins> like GLC
<Boreiv> SAT for example has 999 confirm on mintpal for doublespend
<Allcryptocoins> oh wait a year old
<Allcryptocoins> lol
<Boreiv> BC pool, which is just a recent thing
<Boreiv> has over 300 ghs
<Rofo> let me look into glc
<Boreiv> it can direct those hases to a coin and 51% for a 24hours period
<Rofo> what exchanges is it on, does it centralize, and does it have higher security than us?
<Boreiv> and would f em
<Allcryptocoins> glc is on crytpsy its an old coin, diff ist still at like 0.6
<Rofo> 0.6
<Rofo> our diff was 40 when 51% started happening
<Allcryptocoins> Rofo, and it would be even easier with .6 lol
<Rofo> yes it would be
<Allcryptocoins> yet the carry on
<Allcryptocoins> untouched
<Allcryptocoins> lol
<Rofo> well why are we constantly getting 'touched' then?
<Allcryptocoins> sexy>?
<Rofo> its carrying on because noone is 51% it
<Allcryptocoins> lol
<Rofo> every day
<Allcryptocoins> well what did you do to piss people off!!!
<Allcryptocoins> lol
<Allcryptocoins> truth
<Rofo> youve mentioned the answer i imagine
<Rofo> the pdf
<Allcryptocoins> thats it!
<Allcryptocoins> lol
<Boreiv> because rofo hit em where it hurts and they know dedicated devs like him can prove you don't ahe to dog eat dog to succeed in crypto
<Allcryptocoins> yeah I knew the pdf was trouble for tohers when i read it, thats why i loved it so much lol
<Allcryptocoins> but thats what this is now right
<Allcryptocoins> dog eat dog
<Rofo> if we get 51% into oblivion we get delisted and lose completely
<Rofo> if we fork to PoS we become a fortress and i can publish the next pdf
<Allcryptocoins> lol the turn back on that one too?
<Allcryptocoins> haha sorry had to
<Allcryptocoins> :)
<Allcryptocoins> i kid
<Rofo> thats fine
<Rofo> you know what i also said in the thread and noblecoin history
<Rofo> 'if ASICs and 51% become an unbeatable problem and we HAVE to change, we're not going anywhere, we will fork to address it'
<Allcryptocoins> yep i have read it all. I owe my logo to NobleCoin so I will always support it, none the less i needed to make my thoughts known on what an absolute slap in the face it is.
<Allcryptocoins> and i have done that
<Allcryptocoins> i think lol
<Rofo> thats completely fine i get it and accept it
<Rofo> id rather not have to make these decisions
<Allcryptocoins> well no kidding, you get hate regardless
<Allcryptocoins> hey at least your not MIN
<Allcryptocoins> lol
<Boreiv> crypto is barely fighting to get out of the womb atm - it's inevitable that starter coins like noble must fight to survive
<Allcryptocoins> Boreiv, yeah i know, its just that other older coins seemed to have no issue
<john____> guys allcryptcoins is a troll and doesnt believe any other coin should exist other than the ones he chooses
<Allcryptocoins> but then they dont all publish pdfs
<Allcryptocoins> lol
<john____> ignore him
<Rofo> they have, cryptsy has quietly dealt with 51% on coins since inception
<Boreiv> we welcome all suggestions and thoughts
<Allcryptocoins> haha john____ is mad cause he got caught trying to cheat mintpal in the MIN chat room
<Boreiv> john____
<john____> he's just here to stir trouble
<Rofo> a lot of hate directed towards crytsy on lost deposits and wait times i am willing to bet are related to 51%s
<john____> yeah spread ur fud bro
<john____> i do not cheat
<Allcryptocoins> want the log file john____  i have uit all here
<Boreiv> as for your question allcryptocoins
<john____> frikkin pot calling the kettle black
<john____> we know u are the ones that are the scammers.. crypto mafia
<Boreiv> the maimn culprit
<Boreiv> of this issue is multipools specifically BC MP
<john____> you can bugger off because decentralization means just that.. decentralization.. noone will hold all the power
<Boreiv> as i said
<Boreiv> tehy can drect 300 ghs
<Allcryptocoins> well all that was needed was to ddos the bc pool
<Boreiv> to a coin of their choosinjg
<Allcryptocoins> call me up damn it