%The Outrage: hp rock sounds good
#haxiom: to see if some small tweaks could be made
%The Outrage: on it
+Minority Suspect: if Scarf Xern is a problem and you want P Don to not get as worn down
+Minority Suspect: you can run like Keys over Xern
%The Outrage: keys open up
%The Outrage: for ho oh
%The Outrage: we dont want that
#haxiom: yeah was gonna say that
%The Outrage: the team is nice as is now
+Minority Suspect: which is why you run Thunder Rai and have SD Ghost
+Minority Suspect: but w/e
%The Outrage: i would just add hp rock like freeromaer said
%The Outrage: so ridleyfire
%The Outrage: in summary
%The Outrage: you change don
%The Outrage: charti rayquaza over yveltal
#haxiom: hmm i feel like mence is a bit threatening
%The Outrage: and hp rock on xerneas for ho oh
#haxiom: er well
%The Outrage: it doesnt really set up on anything
#haxiom: yeah
%The Outrage: so he can keep the pressure up and stuff
%The Outrage: no problem
+Minority Suspect: offense isn't getting stronger Mence deterant without running Shuca Zek / Dialga or esoteric things like Cloyster or Scarf Gren
%The Outrage: ok
%The Outrage: yh
%The Outrage: ridleyfire
%The Outrage: any question?
#haxiom: he could run 200 def xern if he wants
+ridleyfire: I dont really have any questions
%The Outrage: yah that's an option too
%The Outrage: okay cool man
%The Outrage: best of luck
%The Outrage: sonired
%The Outrage: next team
%Sonired: sure
%Sonired: http://pastebin.com/Yd8MY8xz - Hax3D
(ridleyfire was demoted to Room regular user by Team Pokepals.)
Hax3D was promoted to Room Voice by Team Pokepals.
+Minority Suspect: similar issue of Rai + Yveltal
+Minority Suspect: there was talk about seeing if that combination could be justified on offense
+Hax3D: i dont think so
+Minority Suspect: but I don't think it really can
%The Outrage: MS
#haxiom: yeah, especially with defensive yveltal
+Minority Suspect: especially when you aren't running LO + Heat Wave
%The Outrage: can you give us 2 mins
%The Outrage: so we look
%The Outrage: kek
+Minority Suspect: >_<
%shaian: ôLô
%shaian: ___
%The Outrage: alrite a special lucario team
%The Outrage: so that's not weak to stall
%The Outrage: at least
+Minority Suspect: what's being built around here
+Minority Suspect: so we know what not to ditch
#haxiom: id guess luke
+Hax3D: i tried to base around luke, wanted rai + groundceus
+Hax3D: yveltal was last ditch mon i put there
+Hax3D: and so was lati
%The Outrage: yeah
%The Outrage: lucario+darkrai core
%The Outrage: ok
%The Outrage: that's legit
#haxiom: so basically we have two slots to work with being lati and yveltal?
%The Outrage: ok so we don't touch this core
+Minority Suspect: Groundceus can be challenging to use on HO
+Minority Suspect: so thats 3 slots
%The Outrage: okay
+Minority Suspect: may or may not need to be changed
%The Outrage: Latias+groundceus
%The Outrage: are good verus all groudon forms
%The Outrage: so don is not an issue
%The Outrage: issues are
%The Outrage: ekiller with stone edge
%The Outrage: basically classic HO
%The Outrage: is a huge threat to this team
%The Outrage: darkrai is a threat too
%The Outrage: because you have to sack something to sleep
+Hax3D: yeah ho gave me trouble when i was testing
#haxiom: no antilead+minimal defensive core
#haxiom: +no darkrai check
%The Outrage: yh basically the weaknesses are mainly to ekiller darkrai
%The Outrage: and offense in genral
%The Outrage: so
%The Outrage: how ti fix that
%The Outrage: mmmm
%The Outrage: to*
+Minority Suspect: probs start by getting a new EKiller check
+Minority Suspect: and go from there
#haxiom: ghostceus is possible i guess
%The Outrage: if we put skarmory what happens
+Hax3D: i tried skarm
+Minority Suspect: thing about dropping Arc Ground is it opens up some additional problems
+Hax3D: i didnt help
%The Outrage: ya
%The Outrage: mainly diancie
%The Outrage: well not a lot
%The Outrage: but still
+Minority Suspect: and Skarm + Rai is kinda weird
%The Outrage: mmmm
+Josh: skarm is so wally though
%The Outrage: well skarm
%The Outrage: can defog versus HO
%The Outrage: i mean
%The Outrage: it has opportunities
+Minority Suspect: eh, good HO mons still deny
#haxiom: but idt defogging is the main isse
%The Outrage: yeah
+Minority Suspect: checking EKiller when using offense is certainly one of the bigger challenges
%The Outrage: k if we put charti berry on yveltal and replace latias with a deoxys A
+Minority Suspect: mainly because options are limited
%The Outrage: what happens
+Minority Suspect: uh Scarf Xern is a nightmare
#haxiom: i dont like having def yveltal on this build
%The Outrage: i dont either but
%The Outrage: not like ekiller checks
%The Outrage: are everywhere
+Minority Suspect: the issue stems from the choice to use special Luke
#haxiom: does physical beat ekiller?
%The Outrage: nope
+Minority Suspect: this prevents use of Mega Mence, Mega MM2X, and Mega Gengar
%The Outrage: no like lucario
%The Outrage: yeah but ms
%The Outrage: all those megas
%The Outrage: excluding gengar
+Minority Suspect: you can try like Gira-O maybe
%The Outrage: are bad versus stall
+Minority Suspect: and Mence isn't bad vs stall at all
#haxiom: gira-o could work
%The Outrage: it is walled
%The Outrage: on stall
+Minority Suspect: just like not at all
%The Outrage: ok
+Minority Suspect: but thats off topic
%The Outrage: we hae to keep lucario
%The Outrage: regardless
%The Outrage: lucario darkrai
%The Outrage: is an offensive core
%The Outrage: and the signature of the team
+Minority Suspect: pretty much the only options for offensive EKiller checks are like Arc Ghost / Gira-O
%The Outrage: replacing any of those 2
%The Outrage: is out fo question
+Minority Suspect: and then some stranger strats
+Minority Suspect: like combinations involving Yveltal / Lando / priority
%The Outrage: k
%The Outrage: if we replace
%The Outrage: yveltal
%The Outrage: with giratina
%The Outrage: its good
%The Outrage: i think
#haxiom: need darkrai check
%The Outrage: like giratina checks about everything
+Josh: except darkrai
%The Outrage: ok
#haxiom: how bout like scarfxern>lati?
+Minority Suspect: this team should probs have a fairy
#haxiom: weaker to ogre
%The Outrage: no
%The Outrage: no scarf xern
%The Outrage: please
%The Outrage: this thing
%The Outrage: drains momentum
%The Outrage: like hell
#haxiom: oh actually weak to ho-oh
%The Outrage: ok
%The Outrage: um
+Minority Suspect: Scarf Xern doesn't drain momentum too bad
%The Outrage: giratina darkrai luke and groudon
+Minority Suspect: but the team wants a fairy
%The Outrage: are fixed
%The Outrage: from here
+Minority Suspect: you can get away with 1 ground immune since its got Arc Ground
+Minority Suspect: so Xern > Lati is kinda obvious
#haxiom: im not sure if the team absolutely needs a fairy
+Minority Suspect: fix Ogre issues in other ways
%The Outrage: no
%The Outrage: i mean
%The Outrage: its either scarf xern
%The Outrage: or noting here
%The Outrage: my idea was
+Minority Suspect: there's more options than that
%The Outrage: a deo A life orb
%The Outrage: instead of latias
%The Outrage: for
%The Outrage: a simple reason
%The Outrage: that
%The Outrage: it leads well
%The Outrage: versus classic HO
%The Outrage: and kills deo S
%The Outrage: then it pbliges
%The Outrage: the opponent
%The Outrage: to go to ekiller
%The Outrage: so you can go to gira
%The Outrage: and defog
+Minority Suspect: currently the team is mauled by Latios DM
%The Outrage: yh
%The Outrage: das true
+Minority Suspect: if Latios threatens P Don or Gira or Arc Ground you've got no switch in
%The Outrage: um
%The Outrage: alrite lets say we put counter skarm-gira-O lucario groudon darkrai and a lum berry ekiller
#haxiom: xern might be necessary actually
#haxiom: if we can find a way to cover the holes
#haxiom: for like ho-oh and pogr
#haxiom: which isnt really easy tbf
%The Outrage: the problem with this lucario
+Minority Suspect: you run appropiate coverage to help offset those specific issues
%The Outrage: is being weak to
%The Outrage: ho oh too
%The Outrage: like
%The Outrage: idk
+Minority Suspect: the problem with Lucario is that it doubles the ground weakness from the start and doesn't check anything
%The Outrage: it breaks stall
%The Outrage: that's it mainly
%The Outrage: :v
#haxiom: could vacuum wave revenge darkrai?
+Minority Suspect: yes
%The Outrage: yeah
%The Outrage: it does a lot
+Minority Suspect: doubt it OHKOs
+Minority Suspect: but does enough
+Hax3D: not s ohko
#haxiom: as long as something gets sleeped
+Hax3D: *a
%The Outrage: ok
%The Outrage: lets say this guys
#haxiom: i mean luke soft checks darkrai
%The Outrage: giratina rockceus scarf xerneas lucario darkrai groudon
%The Outrage: how does this look
+Minority Suspect: you mean Groundceus
+Josh: 252 SpA Adaptability Mega Lucario Vacuum Wave vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Darkrai: 204-240 (72.3 - 85.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+Josh: btw
%The Outrage: no rockceus
%The Outrage: this team
+Minority Suspect: that's eaten alive by Ground
%The Outrage: is very weak to ho oh
%The Outrage: well
%The Outrage: groundceus
%The Outrage: it checked well
+Minority Suspect: and then the sole EKiller check
+Minority Suspect: gets overloaded
+Minority Suspect: because its the only Ground immune
%The Outrage: ok
%The Outrage: but still
%The Outrage: everything can hit groudon
+Minority Suspect: if Ho-Oh is that big of a problem
+Minority Suspect: make Luke SD with Edge
%The Outrage: for an ok amount of damage
@Snowydoe: Hey Guys! The tenth issue of Featured Rater is up! This week we have Haxiom, so be sure to check it out and leave him some questions here: http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/featured-rater-10-haxiom.3553598/
%The Outrage: can we ban snowydoe
%The Outrage: lol
+Minority Suspect: you can afford to drop BP since the team can check Xern in other ways
+Minority Suspect: then you fix Rai problem by getting a fairy
+Minority Suspect: which also fixes the DM issue
%The Outrage: k wat if we use
%The Outrage: um
%The Outrage: klefki
%The Outrage: instead of xern
%The Outrage: with magnet rise
@Snowydoe: not if I ban you first ;o
%The Outrage: !dt magnet rise
Magnet RiseElectricStatusAccuracy
—PP
16For 5 turns, the user is immune to Ground moves.
Priority: 0 |  Gen: 4 |  ✗ Suppressed by Gravity |  Target: User
+Minority Suspect: waste of a move
%The Outrage: not like
%The Outrage: there are other options
%The Outrage: its been half an hour
%The Outrage: :<
+Minority Suspect: Toxic?
+Minority Suspect: much better move
%The Outrage: what if you wake me up
%The Outrage: when Darkrai start having checks
%The Outrage: lol
+Josh: snowydoee
#haxiom: i think we have to just limit weaknesses as much as possible at this point
@Snowydoe: josh doe
%The Outrage: if we use lum berry rayquaza
%The Outrage: instead of xerneas
+Minority Suspect: what you mean is let's rush the rate so we can move onto the next
%The Outrage: lol
%The Outrage: not really
%The Outrage: ok so
+Minority Suspect: I mean it takes time to do this work right
%The Outrage: Darkrai,Lucario,Giratina-O,Groudon,Lum rayquaza,Giratina,Ekiller
%The Outrage: how does this look
%The Outrage: weak to latis
%The Outrage: ok
+Minority Suspect: big Diancie problem
+Minority Suspect: and Latios problem
+Minority Suspect: among others
#haxiom: what if we ran recover ekiller lol
%The Outrage: lolazo
%The Outrage: mmm
%The Outrage: well if we run
%The Outrage: groundceus
+Minority Suspect: I think you'll want to keep Groundceus
#haxiom: ray has espeed at least
%The Outrage: yh
#haxiom: and luke has prio
%The Outrage: yh
#haxiom: lets keep groundceus then?
%The Outrage: and lum berry
%The Outrage: yh
%The Outrage: darkrai lucario groudon rayquaza groundceus
#haxiom: and gira-o
+Minority Suspect: still weak to Latios but w/e
+Minority Suspect: mitigate through
+Minority Suspect: prio
#haxiom: i think its manageable
#haxiom: its a weakness
%The Outrage: yh
%The Outrage: manageable weakness
%The Outrage: for sure imo
%The Outrage: i mean
%The Outrage: once don paralyse it
%The Outrage: its easier to handle
%The Outrage: like
%The Outrage: it will die after that
%The Outrage: yeah
%The Outrage: ok
%The Outrage: so
%The Outrage: Hax3D
#haxiom: hax3d, any questions?
%The Outrage: in summary
%The Outrage: offensive Giratina O with defog
%The Outrage: instead of latias
+Hax3D: thanks for the suggestions guys
%The Outrage: 252 defense 252 hp
%The Outrage: lum offensive rayquaza
%The Outrage: adamant
+Hax3D: i knew it was going to be a challenge
%The Outrage: with dragon dance
%The Outrage: preferably
+Hax3D: to do something decent with np luke
%The Outrage: and that's it
+Minority Suspect: there's probs some small things that were overlooked but good enough
%The Outrage: welcome
%The Outrage: yeah
%The Outrage: its a good team now
#haxiom: idk about max hp/def on gira-o but its fine
%The Outrage: i mean
%The Outrage: max attack adamant
%The Outrage: max defense
%The Outrage: sorry
#haxiom: ok i got next team
+Hax3D: sorry if it took longer than usual
%The Outrage: shadow force sneak tail defog
%The Outrage: no man
%The Outrage: we enjoy
%The Outrage: teams like that
%The Outrage: :)
#haxiom: http://pastebin.com/190DC0j2 freeroamer
%The Outrage: hope we helped
%The Outrage: and good luck
+Freeroamer: hi
%The Outrage: Hi
+Minority Suspect: that's different
%The Outrage: do i know you
+Freeroamer: basically yea I wanted a team with both paradancer don and kanga so i decided to use them on the same team
(Hax3D was demoted to Room regular user by haxiom.)
+Freeroamer: i thought twave+kanga in general seemed pretty effective
+Minority Suspect: run Headbutt Kanga y/y
%The Outrage: lol
+Minority Suspect: anyways double ground and double steel is weird
+Minority Suspect: don't know what to think
#haxiom: kyogre seems pretty threatening
%The Outrage: this team is good
+Minority Suspect: you'll have quite a bit of pressure on Don
#haxiom: ho-oh maybe as well
+Freeroamer: i thought ogre seemed troublesome but when i played w/ the team everything puts pressure on it
+Minority Suspect: against Ho-Oh and Ogre
+Freeroamer: yea ho-oh is an issue
+Minority Suspect: and you SR setter is Zong
+Freeroamer: if my don isnt faster
+Minority Suspect: which makes the problem worse
+Freeroamer: it can give me real trouble
+Josh: unveil heatproof zong
%The Outrage: yeah
+Minority Suspect: at least you can afford to sort of give up Don since you've got double Steel
%The Outrage: ho oh
%The Outrage: is prolly
+Freeroamer: well the sr user being zong does mean it's difficult to make ho-oh come in on rocks
%The Outrage: the main issue
+Freeroamer: but it also makes it easier to tox
+Freeroamer: because it'll always come in on zong
%The Outrage: yeah but
+Freeroamer: anyway ill let u guys do ur stuff
%The Outrage: having both don and klefki
%The Outrage: i mean
%The Outrage: zong and kelfki
%The Outrage: will open up
%The Outrage: for ho oh
%The Outrage: if its sub dual stab
%The Outrage: it mitigates the team
+Minority Suspect: blea idk what to do with this
%The Outrage: replacing klefki
+Minority Suspect: if it was me I'd probs drop Zong and Keys
%The Outrage: makes it weak to darkria
%The Outrage: and yveltal
+Minority Suspect: get a new SR setter
+Minority Suspect: then get a fairy
+Minority Suspect: hopefully while somehow patching up weaknesses
+Minority Suspect: to mons like EKiller and Mence
+Minority Suspect: Kanga is there tho
+Minority Suspect: to make sure offense is annoyed
+Freeroamer: mence literally only sets up on one mon
+Minority Suspect: yea just Arc Ground
+Minority Suspect: you've got Gira to help keep EKiller in line
+Minority Suspect: idk, I'd drop Keys for Xern
+Minority Suspect: a set that does well against Ho-Oh probs
#haxiom: mix xern lol?
#haxiom: idk i mean like
+Minority Suspect: well even just HP Rock Geo
%The Outrage: i have an idea
%The Outrage: what if we
+Minority Suspect: Rai is still an issue
%The Outrage: what if we keep Klefki kanga don giratina
%The Outrage: and we add rockceus
%The Outrage: with stealth rock wisp
%The Outrage: judg
%The Outrage: recover
%The Outrage: that gets rocks
%The Outrage: on sab
%The Outrage: like bronzong
+Minority Suspect: okay
%The Outrage: and check mence and ray
#haxiom: i like that, what for ogre now
%The Outrage: then we replace bronzong
%The Outrage: with a 4 moves latios
#haxiom: probably lati yeah
+Minority Suspect: yes
+Minority Suspect: need another Ground immune
+Minority Suspect: to offset
+Minority Suspect: trips Ground weak
%The Outrage: yh
%The Outrage: so what latios set
%The Outrage: 4 moves
%The Outrage: cm roost
%The Outrage: or wat
%The Outrage: '-'
+Minority Suspect: you could use Defog
+Minority Suspect: and give Gira some room
+Minority Suspect: against EKiller
%The Outrage: yh
%The Outrage: thats a good idea
%The Outrage: ok
%fleggumfl: o is this the workshop
%The Outrage: so defog roost psychic draco
%The Outrage: classic set
%The Outrage: sounds good
#haxiom: psyshock but yeah
+Minority Suspect: P Don / Kanga / Latios / Gira-O / Arc Rock / Keys
+Minority Suspect: seemingly solid
%The Outrage: yeah
#haxiom: freeroamer, any questions?
%The Outrage: freeroamer
%The Outrage: ok
%The Outrage: lol
%The Outrage: where are you ;-;
%The Outrage: hai fleggumfl
+Freeroamer: yo srry i went to get a drink
%fleggumfl: hi
+Freeroamer: just reading now
%The Outrage: ok
%The Outrage: take your time
%The Outrage: (not too much tho)
%The Outrage: rip sonired
%The Outrage: haxiom
%The Outrage: where are the teams
%The Outrage: :(
+Freeroamer: ok looks cool
+Freeroamer: will try it and let you know
%The Outrage: alrite man
#haxiom: i have the teams
%The Outrage: goood luck yeah sure
%The Outrage: chose the last one
%The Outrage: please
#haxiom: there's four more
%The Outrage: something with potential
%The Outrage: k we make 2 more then
%The Outrage: if everybody is ok
%The Outrage: or we make 1
%The Outrage: ?.?
#haxiom: one guy left so we'll skip that one
#haxiom: http://pastebin.com/k4wSqrbV Fish n Dicks
%The Outrage: nice name
+Minority Suspect: very tempted to make this standard Ho-Oh balance
%The Outrage: i have a similar build to this one
%The Outrage: haxiom please voice him
#haxiom: oh yeah
+Minority Suspect: you only have to change the mega and the Arc type
Fish N Dicks was promoted to Room Voice by haxiom.
+Fish N Dicks: Hello
%The Outrage: hi
+Minority Suspect: and optimize if needed
+Fish N Dicks: I think I had sent this team to trout earlier
%The Outrage: yh
%The Outrage: what problems
+Fish N Dicks: Used it in Open and Seasonal as well
%The Outrage: did you find with it exactly
%The Outrage: because its pretty solid
%The Outrage: and classic
+Fish N Dicks: There is nothing to sweep/clean
+Fish N Dicks: Most of my mons work defensively
+Minority Suspect: you don't necessarily need a sweeper
+Fish N Dicks: though it's not exactly stall
+Minority Suspect: you've got Ho-Oh to wall break
+Fish N Dicks: It gets worn down
+Minority Suspect: it has Regen?
+Fish N Dicks: and once it's gone
%The Outrage: mmmmmmmmm
+Minority Suspect: okay then use standard Ho-Oh balance
+Fish N Dicks: I can't take on bulky stuff
+Fish N Dicks: lol
+Minority Suspect: which runs Mence > Diancie
+Minority Suspect: so you get another stallbreaker
+Fish N Dicks: bulky mence could work here
%The Outrage: problem is
%The Outrage: ms
+Fish N Dicks: but then Yveltal just steamrolls
%The Outrage: he becomes weak
%The Outrage: to
+Minority Suspect: and then you make Arc Water into Arc Rock
%The Outrage: rocks_darkrai
+Fish N Dicks: and Darkrai yh
%The Outrage: for sure
%The Outrage: no
%The Outrage: lets keep diancie
+Fish N Dicks: I though about changing waterceus to rock
+Fish N Dicks: for better ho-oh and mence check
#haxiom: you could possibly run a more offensive arc forme since you have another defogger
+Fish N Dicks: possibly CM Wisp Rockceus
#haxiom: or you could run defog waterceus and something>gira-o
%The Outrage: lets say we replace your waterceus with Groundceus
+Fish N Dicks: ^^
%The Outrage: mmmmmm
#haxiom: then a bit ho-oh weak
+Minority Suspect: he has Diancie
%The Outrage: no
#haxiom: but diancie gets worn down
+Fish N Dicks: It can't switch in a lot :/
%The Outrage: its weak to ho oh
%The Outrage: mmmmmmm
%The Outrage: k if we replace ferro
%The Outrage: with kyogre
+Minority Suspect: really think the optimal build here
%The Outrage: rest defensive
%The Outrage: what happens
%The Outrage: then
+Minority Suspect: is Mence > Diancie
+Minority Suspect: Arc Rock > Arc Water
%The Outrage: ms the problem is
%The Outrage: it becomes weak
%The Outrage: to deos+darkrai
+Minority Suspect: there isn't a viable defensive build in existance that can 100% stop Rai + SR
%The Outrage: well diancie on the tema
+Fish N Dicks: diancie kinda stops both
%The Outrage: does that better
%The Outrage: ok wait
+Minority Suspect: you've got Ho-Oh
%The Outrage: lets say
+Minority Suspect: to anti lead Deos
%The Outrage: like lets suppose
+Fish N Dicks: Latis and Kyogre might be problematic if no ferro
+Minority Suspect: and absorb sleep
+Minority Suspect: not nearly the problem you make it out to be
+Fish N Dicks: I also have a problem with 4 attacks latios
+Minority Suspect: meanwhile you gain much more by running Mence and Arc Rock
+Fish N Dicks: which is rare
+Fish N Dicks: but still dangerous
+Minority Suspect: mainly security against birds
+Minority Suspect: and extremely secure against EKiller
%The Outrage: ms
%The Outrage: he gets 6-0ed
%The Outrage: by classic HO
%The Outrage: that way
+Minority Suspect: um no
+Minority Suspect: he doesn't
%The Outrage: believe me
+Minority Suspect: lol
%The Outrage: :/
+Fish N Dicks: +2 Darkrai goes through everything
+Freeroamer: i dont consider ho-oh to antilead deo-s
+Freeroamer: considering it works less than half the time
+Minority Suspect: you act like Diancie is secure against Rai
#haxiom: what about defog skarm>gira-o ogre>ferro and groundceus>waterceus
#haxiom: did i miss something
+Minority Suspect: nothing is secure against Rai
+Minority Suspect: that's why HO runs it almost everywhere
%The Outrage: ok
%The Outrage: i like haxiom's idea
+Minority Suspect: haxiom that build can't beat Mence
%The Outrage: let us look
%The Outrage: wait ms
#haxiom: skarm and ogre doesnt beat it?
%The Outrage: lol
+Minority Suspect: uh no
%The Outrage: they do
+Minority Suspect: do we need to cite Open matches
+Minority Suspect: to show how Skarm doesn't check Mence well
%The Outrage: wait
%The Outrage: taunt toxic skamr
%The Outrage: always kills mence
%The Outrage: no discussion on that
+Minority Suspect: not even
%The Outrage: please
%The Outrage: lets focus on the point
%The Outrage: :v
+Minority Suspect: I am focused on the point
+Minority Suspect: that makes the team far weaker to Mence
+Fish N Dicks: Sorry I was away
+Minority Suspect: something that can actually be checked well
+Fish N Dicks: for 5 mins
+Minority Suspect: unlike Rai
+Fish N Dicks: haxiom suggested defog waterceus
+Fish N Dicks: right?
+Minority Suspect: Arc Ground
+Fish N Dicks: oh
+Fish N Dicks: yeah
+Minority Suspect: more setup for Mence
#haxiom: i mentioned it as a possibility but later suggested something else
%The Outrage: MS please
%The Outrage: can we focus on
%The Outrage: keeping diancie
+Fish N Dicks: I need to have some speed/priority to revenge kill
+Minority Suspect: I think Diancie should be tossed in this case
+Fish N Dicks: Giratina-O barely does that
+Fish N Dicks: Can we try and keep it?
+Minority Suspect: you gain much more by running Mence
#haxiom: if he wants to keep it we kinda dont have a choice ms
%The Outrage: Diancie Ho-Oh Groundceus Skarm Defog Giratina ogre
+Fish N Dicks: because
+Minority Suspect: did he say he absolutely wants to keep Diancie
+Minority Suspect: I missed that part
%The Outrage: can we look at this
+Fish N Dicks: changing it to mence
%The Outrage: for a second
%The Outrage: Diancie Ho-Oh Groundceus Skarm Defog Giratina ogre
+Fish N Dicks: will just make it standard HO
#haxiom: er pdon not gira outrage
+Fish N Dicks: yes
#haxiom: right?
%The Outrage: Diancie Ho-Oh Groundceus Skarm Defog pdon ogre
%The Outrage: ok
%The Outrage: lets look at it
#haxiom: fire move pdon is v annoying
+Fish N Dicks: tina-o works as defogger
+Fish N Dicks: but redundant with skarm, kinda
+Minority Suspect: doesn't that team have like 4 water weaknesses
+Minority Suspect: lol
+Fish N Dicks: latios
+Freeroamer: you have 2 solid ogre checks
%The Outrage: no its solid
%The Outrage: i think
%The Outrage: but
%The Outrage: um
%The Outrage: ok
%The Outrage: lets say counter skarmory
+Minority Suspect: so its Mega Diancie / Ho-Oh / Arc Ground / Skarm / Latios / P Don
+Minority Suspect: ?
%The Outrage: mmmmmmmm
#haxiom: we had ogre but lati could work i guess
+Minority Suspect: well without Latios
%The Outrage: yeah
+Fish N Dicks: no defogger
+Minority Suspect: Ogre rolf stomps
%The Outrage: ms is right
%The Outrage: i like this more
%The Outrage: but
%The Outrage: then again
%The Outrage: ok
+Minority Suspect: even still that team has 5 mons
+Fish N Dicks: so I didn't mention my initial idea
+Fish N Dicks: which was
+Minority Suspect: that are owned by Ogre
+Fish N Dicks: M-Diancie/Tina-O/Ferro core
+Fish N Dicks: which is decent defensively
#haxiom: oh.
%The Outrage: yeah
%The Outrage: i mean
%The Outrage: your team is initially good man
%The Outrage: the problem was
%The Outrage: that you wanted a sweeper
%The Outrage: so we changed it
%The Outrage: that's it
%The Outrage: the initial team you showed us
%The Outrage: is good
+Fish N Dicks: :D
%The Outrage: ok so about sets
%The Outrage: classic groundceus
+Fish N Dicks: Skarm sounds good
+Fish N Dicks: I liked using it
%The Outrage: offensive
%The Outrage: now skarm
%The Outrage: use
+Fish N Dicks: SD with Recover?
%The Outrage: yes
%The Outrage: now skarm
%The Outrage: use
%The Outrage: counter roost toxic taunt
%The Outrage: with max hp
%The Outrage: 232 spe def
%The Outrage: bold
%The Outrage: reminaing in defense
%The Outrage: this checks latios
%The Outrage: you with me?
+Fish N Dicks: no whirlwind?
%The Outrage: no need
%The Outrage: counter can even get you rid of ho oh
%The Outrage: if needed
%The Outrage: ok
+Fish N Dicks: taunt for?
%The Outrage: um
+Freeroamer: taunt+counter is effective vs mence
%The Outrage: yeah
+Fish N Dicks: cool
%The Outrage: exactly
%The Outrage: ok
#haxiom: ah so with defog on lati
%The Outrage: yeah
%The Outrage: latias dm psychoc
%The Outrage: defog roost
%The Outrage: classic set
%The Outrage: dont forget lefties on skarm
%The Outrage: so you following everything? n_n
%The Outrage: or i'm going fast
+Fish N Dicks: yes yes
%The Outrage: ok
%The Outrage: do you have
+Fish N Dicks: w8
%The Outrage: any question
%The Outrage: ?
+Fish N Dicks: latias/latios?
+Fish N Dicks: latios with that 212 Def set?
%The Outrage: no need
%The Outrage: max spe attack
%The Outrage: max speed
+Fish N Dicks: Timid
+Fish N Dicks: ?
#haxiom: i think we're done after this one btw
%The Outrage: yes
#haxiom: i have to go
%The Outrage: haxiom
%The Outrage: ok
+Minority Suspect: how many did we do
+Minority Suspect: like 4
+Fish N Dicks: thanks haxiom
%The Outrage: yeah
%The Outrage: 2 hours
#haxiom: i think 4 yeah
%The Outrage: almost
#haxiom: like 1:40 ish
+Josh: at least they were thorough
+Josh: :)
+Fish N Dicks: How do you prevent Xern from setting up after Dmeteor?
+Minority Suspect: you have solid options against Xern
%The Outrage: you dont have to
%The Outrage: you have ho oh
%The Outrage: and
+Minority Suspect: or at least you should have
%The Outrage: groudon
+Fish N Dicks: SpDef skarm?
+Minority Suspect: since you're not playing HO
%The Outrage: fish and dicks
+Fish N Dicks: COol
%The Outrage: i told you wat skarm set to run
#haxiom: alright, we good?
%The Outrage: scroll up
+Fish N Dicks: 232 Spe Def
+Fish N Dicks: was what you said right?
+Fish N Dicks: and bold
%The Outrage: yep
%The Outrage: ok
%The Outrage: the workshop is done
%The Outrage: thanks haxiom edgar ms and sonired
%shaian: cough
%The Outrage: an shaian for being cute
%The Outrage: we will make sure to make another one soon!
+Josh: and Minority Suspect :)
%shaian: https://puu.sh/kQtOH/ace5cdcab7.gif me irl
#haxiom: alright pce
(Fish N Dicks was demoted to Room regular user by haxiom.)
%The Outrage: ms=minority suspect
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