[20:37:37] @Dream Eater Gengar: so there's
[20:37:40] +Rage.Spam.Quit.: Did someone say cap and steel
[20:37:40] @Dream Eater Gengar: an offensive set
[20:37:42] @Dream Eater Gengar: and a defensive one
[20:37:52] @Dream Eater Gengar: what should we build around?
[20:38:02] +Aehzo: Offensive?
[20:38:13] +Aehzo: Wait it gets defog
[20:38:22] +Rage.Spam.Quit.: I think kit could serve as a wall like doublade, but faster, better utility, and having access to wisp and uturn
[20:38:27] @Dream Eater Gengar: offensivee is like meteor mash, koff, sneak, u-turn
[20:38:32] @Dream Eater Gengar: defensive is wisp and stuff
[20:38:44] +Rage.Spam.Quit.: Pretty sure offensive has shadow strike
[20:38:45] +Aehzo: Shadowstrike sounds neat
[20:38:47] @Dream Eater Gengar: yea
[20:38:49] @Dream Eater Gengar: shadow strike
[20:38:51] @Dream Eater Gengar: also
[20:39:20] +Rage.Spam.Quit.: ?
[20:39:28] @Dream Eater Gengar: so
[20:39:30] @Dream Eater Gengar: offensive or defensive
[20:39:51] +Rage.Spam.Quit.: I vote defensive
[20:40:00] +Rage.Spam.Quit.: It's utility options are too good to pass up
[20:40:02] @Dream Eater Gengar: !dt kitsunoh
CAP
KitsunohSteelGhostFrisk
LimberHP
80Atk
103Def
85SpA
55SpD
80Spe
110BST
513
Dex#: -57 |  Gen: 0 |  Height: 1.1 m |  Weight: 51 kg (80 BP) |  Dex Colour: Gray |  Egg Group(s): Field |  Does Not Evolve
[20:40:29] +Rage.Spam.Quit.: Where is everyone
[20:40:33] @Dream Eater Gengar: ded
[20:40:34] @Dream Eater Gengar: :p
[20:40:36] +Oberyn the Viper: I'm here now
[20:40:36] @Dream Eater Gengar: PM me for voice
[20:40:42] +Rage.Spam.Quit.: Hi oberyn
[20:40:44] +Aehzo: Defensive
[20:40:47] +Oberyn the Viper: would be shit for me to suggest and then not show up for the team
[20:40:52] +Rage.Spam.Quit.: I just finished an ou Shedinja stall team
[20:40:57] @Dream Eater Gengar: terrors
[20:40:57] @Dream Eater Gengar: !
[20:40:58] +Rage.Spam.Quit.: and it wound up having diancie on it
[20:41:00] +Rage.Spam.Quit.: reg form
[20:41:08] +terrors: hi im making the post
[20:41:12] +iLlama: i like the idea of ho steel with kitsunoh
[20:41:14] +terrors: thinkin of shoutouts
[20:41:19] +terrors: i'll join soon
[20:41:21] +Aehzo: Post?
[20:41:24] @Dream Eater Gengar: smogon is down terrors
[20:41:25] @Dream Eater Gengar: tho
[20:41:26] +Aehzo: for the water?
[20:41:28] @Dream Eater Gengar: u can't post noe
[20:41:30] +terrors: wait
[20:41:31] +terrors: ,,,
[20:41:33] +iLlama: lol
[20:41:34] @Dream Eater Gengar: xd
[20:41:42] #Bondie: More like smogoff amirite lmao
[20:41:43] +terrors: ok i just saved it all
[20:41:48] @Dream Eater Gengar: pls
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[20:42:04] +Rage.Spam.Quit.: Lol
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[20:42:27] +Rage.Spam.Quit.: Rip defensive kit
[20:42:41] @Clearly: its offenses arent even that good
[20:42:42] +terrors: k im here
[20:42:43] +vlmufa: why is kitsunoh so ass
[20:42:49] @Clearly: Id run defensive
[20:42:53] +vlmufa: Clearly its defense are p bad as well
[20:43:03] +Rage.Spam.Quit.: It gets pretty good moves however
[20:43:07] @Clearly: yea but it has fast will-o and a good typing
[20:43:07] @Dream Eater Gengar: !dt kitsunoh
CAP
KitsunohSteelGhostFrisk
LimberHP
80Atk
103Def
85SpA
55SpD
80Spe
110BST
513
Dex#: -57 |  Gen: 0 |  Height: 1.1 m |  Weight: 51 kg (80 BP) |  Dex Colour: Gray |  Egg Group(s): Field |  Does Not Evolve
[20:43:10] @Clearly: for defense
[20:43:16] +Rage.Spam.Quit.: Plus that neat shadow strike
[20:43:19] +vlmufa: does it get recovery
[20:43:27] +Rage.Spam.Quit.: pain split
[20:43:28] @Clearly: !ms kitsunoh, recovery
Matching moves found in learnset for Kitsunoh:
Dream Eater, Rest
[20:43:31] @Clearly: damn
[20:43:33] +Oberyn the Viper: pain split if you count that
[20:43:39] +vlmufa: it doesnt get it
[20:43:41] +vlmufa: seems like
[20:44:08] +Oberyn the Viper: What does kitsunoh typically run
[20:44:22] +Rage.Spam.Quit.: Offensive is scarf shadow strike iron head uturn
[20:44:30] +iLlama: or band
[20:44:32] +iLlama: or lo
[20:44:37] +Rage.Spam.Quit.: Defensive is wisp, shadow strike, uturn, filler iirc
[20:44:41] @Clearly: and they gave it a garbage ability
[20:44:43] @Clearly: damn
[20:44:44] +Oberyn the Viper: i see
[20:44:44] +Rage.Spam.Quit.: That's the cap's sets
[20:44:44] +vlmufa: it gets meteor mash
[20:44:46] +vlmufa: :s
[20:45:13] +Rage.Spam.Quit.: Frisk was put on kit cuz it was made to be a scout
[20:45:16] +Aehzo: Band will be our best bet
[20:45:35] @Clearly: Id use scarf for its scouting role like rage said
[20:45:36] +vlmufa: tbh i like scarf
[20:45:42] +vlmufa: doesnt it get uturn too
[20:45:46] +Rage.Spam.Quit.: Yea
[20:45:47] +vlmufa: works well with scarf
[20:45:49] +Rage.Spam.Quit.: it gets uturn
[20:45:49] @Clearly: even with band base 103 isnt getting anything done
[20:46:03] +Rage.Spam.Quit.: Shadow strike is spammable however
[20:46:06] +Rage.Spam.Quit.: imagine a fiery dance
[20:46:08] @Dream Eater Gengar: it's
[20:46:12] +Rage.Spam.Quit.: but lowers your opponent's defense
[20:46:21] @Dream Eater Gengar: LO
[20:46:21] @Clearly: ik
[20:46:22] @Dream Eater Gengar: for offensive
[20:46:23] @Clearly: i saw
[20:46:27] @Clearly: why lo
[20:46:32] @Dream Eater Gengar: it's on the smogon set
[20:46:43] @Clearly: fuck smogon sets
[20:46:44] @Clearly: ok
[20:46:45] @Dream Eater Gengar: xd
[20:46:50] @Dream Eater Gengar: plus it has good moves to
[20:46:51] @Dream Eater Gengar: alter
[20:46:52] @Dream Eater Gengar: between
[20:46:57] @Dream Eater Gengar: !poll display
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[20:47:01] +Lord North: Did we go with steel or ghost?
[20:47:03] @Clearly: you mean will-o-wisp
[20:47:05] @Clearly: and attacks
[20:47:05] +Rage.Spam.Quit.: Steel
[20:47:06] @Clearly: thats it
[20:47:28] +Oberyn the Viper: Shadow strike/Meteor mash/U-turn/Memento if we go offensive?
[20:47:33] +Rage.Spam.Quit.: What would scarf outspeed that's relevant
[20:47:40] @Dream Eater Gengar: meteor mash, knock off, strike, u-turn
[20:47:43] +iLlama: the deer
[20:47:52] +Oberyn the Viper: ^ yeh swords of justice
[20:47:55] +Rage.Spam.Quit.: Base 110 already outspeeds specs keld
CAP
KitsunohSteelGhostFrisk
LimberHP
80Atk
103Def
85SpA
55SpD
80Spe
110BST
513
Dex#: -57 |  Gen: 0 |  Height: 1.1 m |  Weight: 51 kg (80 BP) |  Dex Colour: Gray |  Egg Group(s): Field |  Does Not Evolve
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[20:48:25] +iLlama: weavile
[20:48:42] +vlmufa: what does weavile do to steel
[20:48:43] @Dream Eater Gengar: !ds cap, steel type
Cawmodore, Kitsunoh, Naviathan
[20:48:46] +iLlama: scarf 80s
[20:48:46] +Rage.Spam.Quit.: If it's steel I wouldn't switch kit into weavile
[20:48:48] @Clearly: igets walled
[20:48:50] @Clearly: ,_,
[20:48:54] +vlmufa: lmao
[20:49:04] @Clearly: is naviathan good
[20:49:06] @Dream Eater Gengar: yep
[20:49:06] +iLlama: yes
[20:49:08] @Dream Eater Gengar: !Dt naviathan
CAP
NaviathanWaterSteelWater Veil
HeatproofLight MetalHP
103Atk
110Def
90SpA
95SpD
65Spe
97BST
560
Dex#: -9 |  Gen: 0 |  Height: 3 m |  Weight: 510 kg (120 BP) |  Dex Colour: Gray |  Egg Group(s): Water 1, Field |  Does Not Evolve
[20:49:12] @Dream Eater Gengar: heat proof water/stee
[20:49:12] +iLlama: gets slack off
[20:49:13] @Dream Eater Gengar: l
[20:49:18] +Rage.Spam.Quit.: could outspeed scarf hoopa-u if that's relevant enough
[20:49:18] @Dream Eater Gengar: Calm mind slack off scald
[20:49:20] @Clearly: yea thats good
 Poll ended ?
1. Offensive Kitsunoh (9 votes)
 69%
2. Defensive Kitsunoh (4 votes)
 31%
[20:49:37] +vlmufa: dcent def too
[20:49:41] @Dream Eater Gengar: !learn naviathan dragon dance
Pokémon 'naviathandragondance' not found.
[20:49:45] @Dream Eater Gengar: !Learn naviathan, dragon dance
In Gen 6, Naviathan can learn Dragon Dance only when obtained from:
gen 6 egg
[20:49:46] @Dream Eater Gengar: :^)
[20:49:47] +Lord North: Commas
[20:49:53] @Dream Eater Gengar: ok offensive kitsunoh
[20:49:53] @Dream Eater Gengar: it is
[20:50:14] +Oberyn the Viper: I was thinking memento on kitsunoh would help naviathan sweep late game
[20:50:17] +Oberyn the Viper: over knock off
[20:50:18] @Clearly: does it run frisk still or limber
[20:50:19] @Clearly: ?
[20:50:22] @Dream Eater Gengar: limber
[20:50:22] +vlmufa: godammit why is smoon broken when you need it the most
[20:50:23] +Oberyn the Viper: which other things on steel get anyway
[20:50:24] +Oberyn the Viper: like bish
[20:50:27] +Rage.Spam.Quit.: Imo frisk for scout role
[20:50:29] +iLlama: limber
[20:50:33] @Clearly: memento ;w;
[20:50:35] @Dream Eater Gengar: fuck twave
[20:50:55] +Aehzo: LO or scarf?
[20:51:00] @Dream Eater Gengar: LO
[20:51:02] +iLlama: lo
[20:51:05] @Clearly: lol
[20:51:06] +iLlama: it can act like starmie
[20:51:06] @Clearly: lo
[20:51:13] @Clearly: watch it fail to kill anything in mono
[20:51:17] +Rage.Spam.Quit.: So we have niaviathan and kit so far
[20:51:20] @Dream Eater Gengar: no
[20:51:22] @Dream Eater Gengar: only kit
[20:51:26] @Clearly: ok
[20:51:28] @Dream Eater Gengar: next
[20:51:30] +Rage.Spam.Quit.: Oh
[20:51:33] @Clearly: I think we should still use tran
[20:51:35] @Dream Eater Gengar: yea
[20:51:37] @Dream Eater Gengar: immunity core
[20:51:38] @Dream Eater Gengar: ftw
[20:51:38] +Rage.Spam.Quit.: ^
[20:51:57] +Oberyn the Viper: So heatran and skarm as two others? y/n
[20:52:04] @Dream Eater Gengar: yea
[20:52:04] @Clearly: yea
[20:52:08] @Clearly: i think those are givens on steel
[20:52:11] +Oberyn the Viper: sounds good
[20:52:13] @Dream Eater Gengar: what kind of
[20:52:14] +Aehzo: For Skarm can we run 96 SpDef?
[20:52:14] @Dream Eater Gengar: tran
[20:52:16] @Clearly: is tran going to be balloon or lefties?
[20:52:33] +iLlama: if we're using offensive kit, shouldn't it be ho
[20:52:41] @Clearly: yea
[20:52:43] @Clearly: probably
[20:52:48] @Clearly: Id run offensive
[20:52:53] +Oberyn the Viper: and as for the moveset, stallbreaker tran?
[20:52:54] @Clearly: I dont like running defensive tran
[20:53:32] @Clearly: Magma, Stone Edge, hp grass, epower is what i run on most of my balloon offensive trans
[20:53:41] +terrors: k what are we on
[20:53:44] +terrors: kitusnoh, tran?
[20:53:49] +Rage.Spam.Quit.: We decided offensive kit set
[20:53:50] @Clearly: Kitsunoh, tran, skarm
[20:53:58] @Clearly: immunity core pretty much terrors
[20:54:06] @Clearly: and just offensive kitsunoh with lo
[20:54:11] +Oberyn the Viper: We're deciding on tran moveset atm
[20:54:31] @Clearly: archtype of the team is balanced - offensive atm i think
[20:54:31] +terrors: skarm is defensive correct
[20:54:39] +Oberyn the Viper: We haven't discussed skarm yet
[20:54:42] @Clearly: 6
[20:54:44] @Clearly: ^*
[20:54:50] +Oberyn the Viper: just that we're having it
[20:55:02] +Rage.Spam.Quit.: Should we have a poll whether this team should be balance or HO
[20:55:02] +terrors: how about HO?
[20:55:31] +iLlama: if it's offensive kit, balance prolly won't work as well
[20:55:41] +terrors: well actually since we have a decent defensive immunity core
[20:55:44] +terrors: idk
[20:55:49] %The Kaiba: Oh shit
[20:55:52] %The Kaiba: People are here.
[20:55:53] +iLlama: .-.
[20:55:56] +iLlama: you can talk
[20:55:56] +iLlama: !
[20:55:59] @Dream Eater Gengar: I like balance
[20:56:01] @Clearly: I think I'd run balaned
[20:56:05] @Clearly: balanced*
[20:56:11] +terrors: k
[20:56:19] +terrors: spdef tran or offensive balloon
[20:56:25] +Aehzo: Balloon?
[20:56:29] @Clearly: mostly because i think rocks skarm + spikes ferro sounds like itd wear things down enoguh for kits
[20:56:36] +terrors: yea
[20:56:48] @Clearly: balloon i think
[20:56:59] @Clearly: or is this normally a poll
[20:57:02] +Aehzo: Fire blast, cannon?
[20:57:03] +terrors: well spdef also runs balloon
[20:57:15] +terrors: let's do a poll
[20:57:18] @Dream Eater Gengar: mk
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[20:57:32] +terrors: spdef or offensive/stallbreaker
[20:57:39] @Clearly: ok
[20:57:39] +Rage.Spam.Quit.: Lol
[20:57:41] @Clearly: I think we all like balloon
[20:57:43] +terrors: seems like a better poll
[20:57:52] @Dream Eater Gengar: yea
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 Poll ended Heatran item?
1. lefties (1 vote)
 11%
2. balloon (8 votes)
 89%
[20:57:55] +terrors: since both run balloon
[20:58:00] %wanka ͜..: eh spD can run lefties
[20:58:02] +Lord North: That image of Heatran with a balloon goes here
[20:58:03] %wanka ͜..: if its balance steel
[20:58:05] +terrors: yea
[20:58:06] %wanka ͜..: with mroe support
[20:58:09] @Clearly: i prefer lefties on spdef
[20:58:12] %wanka ͜..: i do to
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[20:58:19] @Dream Eater Gengar: >sodf
[20:58:21] +terrors: but still we need to decided
[20:58:22] @Clearly: but i pretty much always run offensive balloon
[20:58:22] @Dream Eater Gengar: spdf*
[20:58:22] +Lord North: >Sod
[20:58:23] +terrors: decide*
[20:58:23] %wanka ͜..: since if ur running spD u prolly have bulky skamr in the back
[20:58:27] +Rage.Spam.Quit.: Great typing skills
[20:58:27] +terrors: yes
[20:58:29] %wanka ͜..: so u still have ground immunity
[20:58:29] +terrors: wanka
[20:58:35] @Clearly: yea
[20:58:44] +terrors: huh
[20:58:47] %wanka ͜..: if ur HO steel skarm is gunna die like turn 3 so u need balloon
[20:58:47] +terrors: thought spdef would win
[20:58:50] %wanka ͜..: for ground immun
[20:59:25] +Tweedledope: I read Heatmor instead of Heatran. I need a nap.
[20:59:29] @Dream Eater Gengar: lol
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[21:00:00] +terrors: are we rly doing
[21:00:05] @Clearly: i think if we're doing this like the immunity core days
[21:00:11] +terrors: stallbreaker tran with defensive skarm
[21:00:12] @Clearly: lefties is what was prevelant
[21:00:32] @Clearly: thats not terrible terrors
[21:00:35] +Oberyn the Viper: We haven't decided on the skarm set yet or even discussed it
[21:00:42] +Oberyn the Viper: i don't think so anyway
[21:00:52] +terrors: but its more likely doing it
[21:01:05] +terrors: we're doing*
[21:01:12] +terrors: im tired damn ,_,
[21:01:15] %wanka ͜..: taunt toxic tran can still be spD lefties i guess
[21:01:23] %wanka ͜..: but its not as fast
 Poll ended Heatran set?
1. sodf (7 votes)
 50%
2. offensive (7 votes)
 50%
[21:01:40] @Dream Eater Gengar: xd
[21:01:41] @Dream Eater Gengar: rip
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[21:01:46] +Rage.Spam.Quit.: Oh wow
[21:01:53] +Lord North: Flip a coin here
[21:01:56] @Dream Eater Gengar: mhm
[21:01:58] %wanka ͜..: #blamedeg
[21:01:59] @Dream Eater Gengar: ok so let's continue the set
[21:02:00] +terrors: lets go with sodf
[21:02:01] @Dream Eater Gengar: team*
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[21:02:09] #Dream Eater Gengar: oo thanks
[21:02:10] %wanka ͜..: #blamedeg
[21:02:14] +Lord North: Congrats on the promotion Deg
[21:02:26] #Dream Eater Gengar: I think we can continue the team then comeback
[21:02:27] #Dream Eater Gengar: to heatran
[21:02:33] +terrors: yeah
[21:02:37] +terrors: seems wise
[21:02:38] Scotteh: :-)
[21:02:40] +terrors: so skarm next?
[21:02:42] @Clearly: ok
[21:02:45] +Rage.Spam.Quit.: Should we move onto skarm
[21:02:51] #Dream Eater Gengar: yea
[21:03:06] +terrors: roost wwind brave bird defog
[21:03:07] +terrors: ?
[21:03:08] +Rage.Spam.Quit.: Defensive set?
[21:03:16] +terrors: or we going HO
[21:03:24] #Dream Eater Gengar: let's settle this
[21:03:26] +Lord North: Rocks or nah?
[21:03:29] %wanka ͜..: it depends on the tran set lol
[21:03:32] +iLlama: ^
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[21:03:38] %wanka ͜..: tran sets the bar for what skarm runs
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[21:03:49] @Clearly: ^
[21:03:53] +terrors: definitely prefer bal here
[21:03:59] %wanka ͜..: k then
[21:04:01] @Clearly: ok
[21:04:05] %wanka ͜..: what terrors said is fine tbh
[21:04:08] @Clearly: so then spdef tran and defensive skarm it is
[21:04:10] %wanka ͜..: or hmmm
[21:04:15] +terrors: w/ rocks tran?
[21:04:15] @Clearly: running defog
[21:04:20] %wanka ͜..: do we want spikes on skarm or ferro
[21:04:22] @Clearly: I dont normally run defog
[21:04:29] %wanka ͜..: even tho duel stabs ferro is kinda nice
[21:04:30] +iLlama: we can run defog on kit
[21:04:36] +iLlama: treat it like starmie
[21:04:40] +terrors: oo
[21:04:40] @Clearly: i think if rocks are on tran you run it on skarm
[21:04:48] %wanka ͜..: yeah rocks are defo on tran
[21:04:52] %wanka ͜..: but where do we want spikes
[21:04:56] @Clearly: spikes skarm then
[21:05:01] +terrors: defog kit rocks tran spikes skarm
[21:05:01] #Dream Eater Gengar: what's the ferro set
[21:05:05] +terrors: seems good to me
[21:05:09] %wanka ͜..: duel stabs leech and tect
[21:05:13] #Dream Eater Gengar: I mean
[21:05:13] +Oberyn the Viper: So whats the team so far?
[21:05:13] +terrors: we're not at ferro yet are we
[21:05:14] #Dream Eater Gengar: heatran*
[21:05:25] +terrors: tran, kit, skarm
[21:05:25] +iLlama: kit, tran, skarm
[21:05:27] %wanka ͜..: well probs gunna need ferro imo
[21:05:27] +Oberyn the Viper: LO kit, Rocks tran, Spikes skarm?
[21:05:28] +terrors: lava plume sr
[21:05:31] #Dream Eater Gengar: plume, sr
[21:05:31] +Rage.Spam.Quit.: SpDef tran, defensive skarm, LO kit
[21:05:35] %wanka ͜..: w8 wtf is kit
[21:05:35] +terrors: and uh
[21:05:36] %wanka ͜..: im lost
[21:05:37] %wanka ͜..: lol
[21:05:39] +terrors: toxic epower
[21:05:40] +Oberyn the Viper: !dt kitsunoh
CAP
KitsunohSteelGhostFrisk
LimberHP
80Atk
103Def
85SpA
55SpD
80Spe
110BST
513
Dex#: -57 |  Gen: 0 |  Height: 1.1 m |  Weight: 51 kg (80 BP) |  Dex Colour: Gray |  Egg Group(s): Field |  Does Not Evolve
[21:05:43] +terrors: !dt kitsunoh
CAP
KitsunohSteelGhostFrisk
LimberHP
80Atk
103Def
85SpA
55SpD
80Spe
110BST
513
Dex#: -57 |  Gen: 0 |  Height: 1.1 m |  Weight: 51 kg (80 BP) |  Dex Colour: Gray |  Egg Group(s): Field |  Does Not Evolve
[21:05:44] #Dream Eater Gengar: were building CAP MOno wanka
[21:05:46] %wanka ͜..: O_o
[21:05:47] @Clearly: if you really need hazards control on steel shouldnt you just use exca
[21:05:47] +terrors: sry
[21:05:47] +Oberyn the Viper: sniped hehe
[21:05:58] @Clearly: we're trying to stack hazards and defog kind of goes against that
[21:06:03] %wanka ͜..: yeah
[21:06:04] +Rage.Spam.Quit.: ^
[21:06:05] #Dream Eater Gengar: true
[21:06:07] +terrors: yeah that's true
[21:06:08] %wanka ͜..: and steel doesnt rlly care about rocks
[21:06:10] @Clearly: ^
[21:06:16] %wanka ͜..: not many types stack spikes either
[21:06:41] @Clearly: yea only flying and other steel have the ability to do that viably i think
[21:06:51] +terrors: grass
[21:06:53] #Dream Eater Gengar: what's the skarmory set
[21:06:59] #Dream Eater Gengar: spikes
[21:06:59] @Clearly: well i dont see grass often
[21:07:01] #Dream Eater Gengar: whirlwind
[21:07:02] +terrors: spikes wwind bb
[21:07:03] +terrors: roost
[21:07:07] @Clearly: ^
[21:07:10] %wanka ͜..: ------------------
[21:07:15] #Dream Eater Gengar: added
[21:07:17] %wanka ͜..: -----------------------------------------------------^^^
[21:07:21] #Dream Eater Gengar: do we
[21:07:24] #Dream Eater Gengar: want to add
[21:07:25] #Dream Eater Gengar: !Dt naviathan
CAP
NaviathanWaterSteelWater Veil
HeatproofLight MetalHP
103Atk
110Def
90SpA
95SpD
65Spe
97BST
560
Dex#: -9 |  Gen: 0 |  Height: 3 m |  Weight: 510 kg (120 BP) |  Dex Colour: Gray |  Egg Group(s): Water 1, Field |  Does Not Evolve
[21:07:32] %wanka ͜..: oof
[21:07:44] %wanka ͜..: holy
[21:07:48] %wanka ͜..: wtf is tht
[21:07:48] +Rage.Spam.Quit.: yes we need more cap pokes
[21:07:50] %wanka ͜..: a water dog
[21:07:53] #Dream Eater Gengar: lmao
[21:07:56] +Oberyn the Viper: Its a boat
[21:07:57] #Bondie: A leviathan I assume wanka
[21:07:58] #Dream Eater Gengar: it gets calm mind scald and slack off
[21:08:06] %wanka ͜..: <3 boats
[21:08:15] +Oberyn the Viper: Right so CM set > DDance then?
[21:08:15] @Clearly: what set is the spdef tran supposed to be
[21:08:16] @Clearly: ?
[21:08:18] +Aehzo: Looks like Nessie
[21:08:21] +terrors: ^
[21:08:22] #Dream Eater Gengar: plume, ep, rocks, toxic
[21:08:23] +terrors: uh
[21:08:28] +terrors: yea
[21:08:29] #Bondie: Do you even need tran if you have a water/steel w/ heatproof
[21:08:29] +Rage.Spam.Quit.: Rocks, plume, toxic I'm guessing
[21:08:31] +Rage.Spam.Quit.: and epower
[21:08:44] #Dream Eater Gengar: that's a point
[21:08:44] #Dream Eater Gengar: bondie
[21:08:48] %wanka ͜..: is e power necessary on spD
[21:08:53] #Dream Eater Gengar: n
[21:09:00] %wanka ͜..: id just run tect or taunt
[21:09:02] %wanka ͜..: in the last slot
[21:09:02] @Clearly: yea i wouldnt run epower
[21:09:02] %wanka ͜..: tbh
[21:09:10] +vlmufa: roar works too
[21:09:12] #Dream Eater Gengar: aight
[21:09:26] +terrors: i'd go taunt
[21:09:30] #Dream Eater Gengar: so we have the immunity core rn
[21:09:31] #Dream Eater Gengar: yea I put taunt
[21:09:33] %wanka ͜..: tect is nice for scouting scarf fighting types i guess
[21:09:36] +terrors: ok
[21:09:38] #Dream Eater Gengar: were p weak to water
[21:09:41] %wanka ͜..: or taunt ye
[21:09:44] +terrors: so are we adding ferro
[21:09:46] %wanka ͜..: ferro yn?
[21:09:50] #Dream Eater Gengar: it's ferro or naviathan
[21:09:52] +terrors: or levaithon thing
[21:09:56] +terrors: yea
[21:10:02] +Oberyn the Viper: poll?
[21:10:10] @Clearly: Id use ferro
[21:10:10] +terrors: i dont think
There is already a poll in progress in this room.
[21:10:17] %wanka ͜..: whip ferro dunks on water
The command '/endpoll' was unrecognized. To send a message starting with '/endpoll', type '//endpoll'.
(The poll was ended by Dream Eater Gengar.)
 Poll ended ?
1. HO (3 votes)
 23%
2. Balance (10 votes)
 77%
[21:10:23] +terrors: many of us even know what water dog does
[21:10:25] %wanka ͜..: idk how well navi does tho
[21:10:28] %wanka ͜..: yeah and tht
[21:10:30] @Clearly: why cant we just run neviathan and ferro
[21:10:31] #Dream Eater Gengar: navi
[21:10:32] #Dream Eater Gengar: is
[21:10:33] +Oberyn the Viper: Calm mind, slack off,scalf
[21:10:35] #Dream Eater Gengar: calm mind, scald, slack off
[21:10:36] +Oberyn the Viper: *scald
[21:10:40] #Dream Eater Gengar: it's a better crocune
[21:10:41] @Clearly: thatd be 5 mons
[21:10:42] +Rage.Spam.Quit.: Or dragon dance
[21:10:45] +Oberyn the Viper: it also gets ddance
[21:10:46] #Dream Eater Gengar: true Clearly
[21:10:50] +terrors: ok
[21:11:03] %wanka ͜..: we r just gunna have to choose which wincon to miss out on
[21:11:03] #Dream Eater Gengar: and ferrothorn acts as nice
[21:11:05] %wanka ͜..: sciz or bish
[21:11:05] #Dream Eater Gengar: eq sponge
[21:11:07] +terrors: poll would be nice here
[21:11:11] @Clearly: plus neviathan is a good answer to volc since we arent running stone edge tran
[21:11:15] #Dream Eater Gengar: were adding both
[21:11:18] #Dream Eater Gengar: navi and thorn
[21:11:21] #Dream Eater Gengar: let's start w/ thorn
[21:11:22] %wanka ͜..: so now
[21:11:22] +Oberyn the Viper: righto
[21:11:23] +terrors: levathion/ferro/levisthon+ferro
[21:11:24] @Clearly: i think id ditch bish
[21:11:28] @Clearly: and go for scizor
[21:11:38] %wanka ͜..: whip/gyro/tect/leech
[21:11:39] %wanka ͜..: imo
[21:11:43] %wanka ͜..: for ferro
[21:11:46] @Clearly: yea
[21:11:48] +terrors: yeah seems good
[21:11:57] #Dream Eater Gengar: evs?
[21:12:00] @Clearly: or you could run twave somewhere but that set sounds fine
[21:12:01] %wanka ͜..: 252 hp
[21:12:04] %wanka ͜..: 88+def
[21:12:06] %wanka ͜..: rest in spD
[21:12:08] @Clearly: EVs: 252 HP / 88 Def / 168 SpD
[21:12:09] @Clearly: yea
[21:12:20] #Dream Eater Gengar: added
[21:12:26] #Dream Eater Gengar: ok so for naviathan
[21:12:30] #Dream Eater Gengar: what should we run as fourth move
[21:12:34] +terrors: cm scald slack
[21:12:36] +terrors: uh
[21:12:36] %wanka ͜..: what does it get
[21:12:40] +terrors: ^
[21:12:40] +Rage.Spam.Quit.: Is it cm set
[21:12:42] #Dream Eater Gengar: it doesn't get good coverage it usually runs
[21:12:44] #Dream Eater Gengar: hp ground or hp fire
[21:12:47] #Dream Eater Gengar: as fourth
[21:12:54] +terrors: youre the only cap player here bro
[21:12:58] %wanka ͜..: i mean
[21:13:00] #Dream Eater Gengar: yea it usually runs
[21:13:03] #Dream Eater Gengar: hp ground or fire
[21:13:03] %wanka ͜..: i feel like if its gunna run an hp
[21:13:10] %wanka ͜..: its be like ice or smthn
[21:13:10] +Rage.Spam.Quit.: I also come from cap land
[21:13:11] %wanka ͜..: for dargons
[21:13:16] #Dream Eater Gengar: it gets flash cannon ofc
[21:13:19] #Dream Eater Gengar: but idk if we need it
[21:13:26] #Dream Eater Gengar: yea Rage.Spam.Quit
[21:13:26] #Dream Eater Gengar: cm set
[21:13:33] #Dream Eater Gengar: it has ice beam
[21:13:39] %wanka ͜..: id run beam then tbh
[21:13:43] +terrors: lets go beam
[21:13:44] +terrors: def
[21:14:00] +terrors: is smogon working yet btw
[21:14:01] #Dream Eater Gengar: yea that's it
[21:14:05] #Dream Eater Gengar: flash cannon, ice beam, hurricane
[21:14:09] +Rage.Spam.Quit.: Do we have a chomp/lando check
[21:14:11] %wanka ͜..: hurricane
[21:14:12] %wanka ͜..: wtf
[21:14:12] %wanka ͜..: lol
[21:14:14] #Dream Eater Gengar: lmao
[21:14:21] #Dream Eater Gengar: no
[21:14:23] #Dream Eater Gengar: beem sounds good
[21:14:25] +vlmufa: o terrors
[21:14:25] #Dream Eater Gengar: beam*
[21:14:27] +vlmufa: no*
[21:14:33] +terrors: ok
[21:14:40] +terrors: max def hp?
[21:14:40] #Dream Eater Gengar: it's 252 def / 252 hp
[21:14:42] #Dream Eater Gengar: and bold
[21:14:46] +terrors: yeap
[21:15:07] #Dream Eater Gengar: as for last pokemon
[21:15:17] +terrors: mega sciz
[21:15:17] %wanka ͜..: bish or sciz
[21:15:17] +Rage.Spam.Quit.: Shouldn't we creep some things
[21:15:24] #Dream Eater Gengar: like what?
[21:15:25] +terrors: like wat
[21:15:26] #Dream Eater Gengar: !dt naviathan
CAP
NaviathanWaterSteelWater Veil
HeatproofLight MetalHP
103Atk
110Def
90SpA
95SpD
65Spe
97BST
560
Dex#: -9 |  Gen: 0 |  Height: 3 m |  Weight: 510 kg (120 BP) |  Dex Colour: Gray |  Egg Group(s): Water 1, Field |  Does Not Evolve
[21:15:39] @Clearly: speed creep each other
[21:15:43] @Clearly: i already started
[21:16:23] #Dream Eater Gengar: rip captain bird
[21:16:25] #Dream Eater Gengar: lmfao
[21:16:29] #Dream Eater Gengar: !dt cawmodore
CAP
CawmodoreSteelFlyingIntimidate
Volt AbsorbBig PecksHP
50Atk
92Def
130SpA
65SpD
75Spe
118BST
530
Dex#: -6 |  Gen: 0 |  Height: 1.7 m |  Weight: 37 kg (60 BP) |  Dex Colour: Black |  Egg Group(s): Flying |  Does Not Evolve
[21:16:32] #Dream Eater Gengar: we banned this from mono cap
[21:16:36] +terrors: yeeh
[21:16:42] +terrors: bd bp
[21:16:48] #Dream Eater Gengar: !learn cawmodore, belly drum, bullet punch, acrobatics, drain punch
In Gen 6, Cawmodore can learn these moves only when obtained from:
gen 5 or earlier (all moves are level-up/tutor/TM/HM in gen 5 to 6)
[21:16:48] #Dream Eater Gengar: ggwp
[21:16:53] +Oberyn the Viper: Well to outspeed things like breloom/bisharp you need 132 speed evs if we're gonna speed creep
[21:16:54] @Clearly: what evs does sd scizor have?
[21:17:05] +Oberyn the Viper: with naviathan
[21:17:06] #Dream Eater Gengar: idk
[21:17:09] #Dream Eater Gengar: I run bulky zor
[21:17:11] %wanka ͜..: i can wip some out
[21:17:13] %wanka ͜..: hold up
[21:17:14] +terrors: so are we going sciz or bish
[21:17:20] #Dream Eater Gengar: scizor
[21:17:20] #scpinion: that thing is broken asf
[21:17:25] +terrors: aight
[21:17:26] @Clearly: yea i think bulky sd sounds best on balance
[21:17:30] +terrors: ^
[21:17:41] #Dream Eater Gengar: I think if you guys want more
[21:17:44] #Dream Eater Gengar: we can build kitsunoh ghost?
[21:17:57] %wanka ͜..: fuck i hate doing sciz evs
[21:18:05] @Clearly: same wanka
[21:18:13] #Dream Eater Gengar: I use hp and attk
[21:18:13] @Clearly: I only have the offensive evs,
[21:18:15] #Dream Eater Gengar: on one of mine
[21:18:20] +ElectricApples: im here
[21:18:24] %wanka ͜..: my one bulky set has like
[21:18:27] @Clearly: nah they run some evs in defense and spdef
[21:18:33] @Clearly: and like 44 attack
[21:18:34] @Clearly: or so
XY Scizor analysis, brought to you by Smogon University
[21:18:36] %wanka ͜..: 248hp / 204 spD 56+ def
[21:18:38] @Clearly: but I dont remember it
[21:18:41] %wanka ͜..: seems dong tho
[21:18:45] #Dream Eater Gengar: where's smogon when u need it
[21:18:47] #Dream Eater Gengar: rip
[21:18:50] %wanka ͜..: i rmr ridely had good evs
[21:18:52] %wanka ͜..: but i 4get
[21:18:57] %wanka ͜..: what they were
[21:19:12] @Clearly: I remember when I ran max defense sd at the beginning of XY
[21:19:14] @Clearly: good times
[21:19:20] #Dream Eater Gengar: nice
[21:19:26] %wanka ͜..: im gunna check the set comp thread
[21:19:30] @Clearly: that thing swept dragons
[21:19:30] %wanka ͜..: and see what those evs are
[21:19:35] #Dream Eater Gengar: rip smogon tho
[21:19:36] #Dream Eater Gengar: rnbs
[21:19:38] #Dream Eater Gengar: do u know them?
[21:19:43] %wanka ͜..: w8 fuck
[21:19:45] %wanka ͜..: smog is dead
[21:19:46] %wanka ͜..: SHIT
[21:19:48] @Clearly: yep
[21:19:52] +terrors: yea
[21:20:03] +rnbs: know what?
[21:20:11] #Dream Eater Gengar: bulky scizor
[21:20:11] #Dream Eater Gengar: evs
[21:20:12] #Dream Eater Gengar: mega
[21:20:15] #Dream Eater Gengar: w/ sd
[21:20:19] +rnbs: 44+ attack
[21:20:20] +rnbs: 248 hp
[21:20:22] +rnbs: 200 spdef
[21:20:22] +Oberyn the Viper: 248 HP / 44 Atk / 16 Def / 200 SpD
[21:20:31] #Dream Eater Gengar: thanks
[21:20:31] %wanka ͜..: good enough
[21:20:38] +Oberyn the Viper: impish nature on mine though
[21:20:41] +rnbs: .lag
[21:21:14] #Dream Eater Gengar: sd bullet
[21:21:14] #Dream Eater Gengar: roost
[21:21:16] #Dream Eater Gengar: knock off?
[21:21:26] +rnbs: dont use knock
[21:21:26] %wanka ͜..: yeet
[21:21:29] %wanka ͜..: or bug
[21:21:35] @Clearly: yea dont use knock
[21:21:43] +rnbs: superpower if you wanna deal with skarm
[21:21:47] #Dream Eater Gengar: hmm
[21:21:47] +rnbs: otherwise bug bite
[21:21:48] +rnbs: or uturn