[16:44:37] Conrad Linde: any news on the uct alternatives side?
[16:45:15] paul: walker: still thrashing out soe details regarding a treaty... not as easy as it first looked.
[16:45:51] Conrad Linde: did you suggest that perhaps ''they'' had gotten to michael?
[16:47:44] paul: walker: cant say for certain, but it feels like it. He did so many things right, why make such a fuck up with this bit? Doesn't add up to me...
[16:53:19] Conrad Linde: I recently went to check out the uct website and noticed that it is no longer. Free the planet either
[16:53:55] Conrad Linde: but instead he has self-realisation blog/site up: http://self-realisation.com/self-determination/mutimedia-resources-self-determination/universal-community-trust-memorandum-understanding/
[16:54:34] Conrad Linde: He sounds to be singing off the same hymn sheet as before just as strong as ever
[16:55:48] Conrad Linde: I emailed Litmus who says that people sabotaged the passports and the uct website, and that people who were involved just for the 'line of credit' left. Sounds though as the uct project is something they're still working on.
[16:58:54] Conrad Linde: apparently Jay sent out an email which were responses by Michael of B. to questions out there and updating what was going on. I didn't receive it however, so, I don't know what was said
[17:00:25] paul: walker: lol!! it was Rick and I that did the passports, no sabotage, we produced the damn things so that Michael could send them off to Border Control - we never got an answer back from him whether he ever sent them (suspect not) as there is no formal requiremnt to do so if the treaty had been actually done...
[17:01:13] Conrad Linde: one thing which Brian passed on was that the bank side wasn't setup, but, you say the line of credit was setup and the remaining issue was in fact the nationhood side of the equation, if I understood correctly
[17:02:27] Conrad Linde: uhuh!
[17:02:44] Conrad Linde: so, what's Litmus saying? do you know him personally?
[17:06:09] paul: walker: more lies, lies and damn lies... Jay was a big part of the problem for us, he would not listen to what we were trying to tell him and went running to Michael over everything. He made us out to Michael as 'the problem' and in return Jay got made an Ambassador for Indiginous Peoples (whatever that is)...
[17:09:07] paul: walker: I don't know Litmus  personally, have skyped with him a few times, seems nice enough guy...
The Bank side (depository) was set up, all in place and ready to run. Michael wrote out a prom note for £9M at the last meeting and passed it to Ian of Wessex who had developed the Depository... it should be long time cleared by now?
But it can't as no nation exists to use it...
What about the massive donations, the 4 start backed financial instrumennt, the IMOB Trust Account etc, it was jall in place - just didn't work !!
[17:09:14] Conrad Linde: oh, man.... hope i'm not unnecessarily digging up old hurts. Just last-ditch clinging-to-hope desperation that there might still be something in all this. The other dispassionate side in me in just curious, how this endeavor of 3 years making just collapsed when things seemed to be on the brink of break-through success. The stories and truth of it all still seems obscurated
[17:11:52] Conrad Linde: yea, Litmus seems nice guy. He does the audio on the video... Maybe, he's misguided
[17:12:22] Conrad Linde: Have you seen the video? Michael is still talking a big game.
[17:15:53] paul: walker: You said it..."Talking A Big Game". It wasn't just us down in South West who left, a number of high profile UCT peeps all left around the same time etc, made thier own minds up having been sold a duff one.  Too many things just don't add up...
[17:17:05] Conrad Linde: Michael of Ehmet is still involved. Wonder where ceylon is with it. He is up in Nottingham
[17:18:31] Conrad Linde: In the video he claims that the secretary of state had received a copy of the treaty. But, you called the office that is supposed to receive this kind of notice and they have no record of it. Have I understood that correctly?
[17:20:40] paul: walker: Doesn't go to the Secretary of State, it goes to the Foreign and Comonwealth Office. They have a huge department designed for dealing with Treaties, they do it all. You can call them and ask, they will tell you they have no UCT treaty. I suspect either MoE is in on it, or is relaying nformation from MoB ( the two are as thick as thieves)
[17:22:10] Conrad Linde: my bad. he states it was served to the Foreign and Commonwealth Office, 21/06/12
[17:22:23] Conrad Linde: at 08:15 of the video
[17:22:47] Conrad Linde: 31/08/12 in fact
[17:22:54] paul: walker: and over a year later...?
[17:23:45] Conrad Linde: exactly, and now? what's next? : )
[17:24:35] paul: walker: Once the FCO have received the Treaty, you get a respnse within 2 weeks. They will then 'negotiate' the terms of the treaty until a document exists which both partie can agree on. It is then signed by all Signatories, a Minster signs on behalf of the Monarch, and then it goes to the Archives... it moves very quickly.
[17:25:36] paul: walker: The idea that 6 months later you should have to sen a Memorandum of Undersanding is ludicrous! A year later, nothing... it just doesn't happen like that. You cannot form a nati based upon a tacid agreement...
[17:25:48] paul: walker: >> nation<<
[17:27:32] Conrad Linde: then what are they playing at?
[17:28:50] Conrad Linde: he's put this out as if to say, that they're now a nation. So, what is he saying is the next step? coz if that's in place as far as he's concerned then they can now open the line of credit and get on with creating these communities
[17:28:57] paul: walker: thats what I was trying to work out... motive, method etc. Thats why I wonder is MoB hasn't been leant on somehow?
[17:29:25] Conrad Linde: I find that really hard to believe
[17:30:20] Conrad Linde: did you read his story as a child seeing his family evicted from their home? http://self-realisation.com/equity/banksterbusters/toll-eviction/
[17:30:53] Conrad Linde: find it hard to believe that he's gone rogue
[17:31:35] paul: walker: Exactly. Wait until someone tries to use the Passports... world of shit... The same reason why Councils will not recognise UCT as Diplomatic to get round Council Tax. They require notice from the FCO, as do DVLA etc...
Im not saying Michael is a bad person, I don't know him well enough to qualify either way. But he may have been put in an impossible position... he has family too remember... that tends to be how its done...
[17:32:50] Conrad Linde: On the other hand he's too smart not to realise that this uct isn't happening. That he's got no treaty with the queen... So, something can't be right. He can't possibly naiively believing that he's on his way with the nationthing. And if Litmus thinks that somoene sabotaged the passports, then who misinformed him? Does he know you did the passports and no one sabotaged them and that the line of credit was in place?
[17:33:15] paul: walker: But this is it. MoB seems more interested in Bankster Busters these days rather than UCT. Howjever if he used UCT, then he could take on the banks better, but instead is fighting them the hard way? Why do that when you have a Nation at your disposal?
[17:34:19] paul: walker: People 'want' to believe Michael, can't blame them either. But reality bites hard...
[17:35:03] Conrad Linde: yea, my instinct is usually good with people. Its hard to believe he is frauding people. I thought he embodied the message and purpose
[17:35:46] paul: walker: I think it started that way, best intentions etc. Somewhere down the line it went wrong...