#Disjunction: ~workshop new
 Laxuy: free teams??
#Disjunction: ok for log's sake
+Vileman: who let laxuy in
#Disjunction: we'll be building
 Laxuy: Vilenoob..
#Disjunction: with Carracosta
 Lady Felicia: lol
#Disjunction: which set would you guys like to build with
#Disjunction: I would like mixed Shell Smash
+Quite Quiet: mixed offense imo
+Vileman: ss aqua tail earthquake knock off
+Blast Chance: special or mixed
+Vileman: easy money
+Silver Aurum: Mixed Shell smash
+Rapture's Finest: Banded
+Silver Aurum: Yeaaa
+GyRro: mixed sounds good
@boltsandbombers: mixed
 Shadestep: defensive
#Disjunction: ok so defensive wins by a land slide vote
@boltsandbombers: no we're not using defensive
 Dentricos: team so far/
+Silver Aurum: accurate
 Dentricos: ?
 cyanize: which mixed though?
+GyRro: literally costa
+GyRro: dentri
@boltsandbombers: hm smash edge jet ice beam?
 Shadestep: oh no go offensive
 cyanize: mixed special bias or phys bias
 Shadestep: mixed
 lolbro: spec
#Disjunction: which coverage moves do you guys want to run
#Disjunction: I think Aqua Jet
+Rapture's Finest: the better fossil in NU
#Disjunction: is a must
 lolbro: ice beam
 lolbro: imo
+Silver Aurum: I guess we can go with the set bolts mentioned
+Quite Quiet: stone aqua ice?
 LucianVega: No defensive caracksta?
+Quite Quiet: sounds cool
+Dentricos: I agree with bolt's set
 lolbro: why not
#Disjunction: oh ya
 cyanize: i like hydro/ice/edge tbh
+Dentricos: that set works wonders
 lolbro: hydro ice jet?
@boltsandbombers: /announce we're not using defensive
#Disjunction: bolts mentioned a set huh
#Disjunction: that works
 cyanize: but that's fine
#Disjunction: ~workshop add Mixed SS Carracosta
 cyanize: k grass check go
 lolbro: tbf, we could live a move or two
#Disjunction: Adamant or Jolly?
+Quite Quiet: you just run 252att/4spa/252spe and -spd nature
 lolbro: jolly
#Disjunction: Solid Rock or Sturdy??
 lolbro: sr
+Silver Aurum: solid rock
 Shadestep: sturdy
@boltsandbombers: ok so this set struggles a fair bit with fighting types given its best hit on them is ice beam
+GyRro: solid rock
@boltsandbombers: as opposed to one with waterfall/hydro
+Silver Aurum: good point
+Dentricos: Now I def want a grass type to check wrath/quag
 lolbro: we could leave sedge or hydro
 Shadestep: wait whats the set?
 lolbro: until the end
@boltsandbombers: grass sounds good
+Silver Aurum: quag isn't really all that relevant but agreed
+Dentricos: plume/geist can check gurdurr too
+Quite Quiet: we can use tangela :^)
 Shadestep: quiver lilligant
#Disjunction: we could run plume
+GyRro: mag is such a solid grass check atm
#Disjunction: it fits the fighting resist too
 Shadestep: o true
@boltsandbombers: plume sounds rly good
+Silver Aurum: and grass to an extent
#Disjunction: but then we'd be running balance zzzz
 cyanize: zzz
+Silver Aurum: balance is life?
#Disjunction: which I guess is fine!!!
+Blast Chance: n
+Dentricos: balance is love
+Quite Quiet: I would honestly prefer offensive tangela :[
 lolbro: balance is kinda ass rn
 Shadestep: love balance
@boltsandbombers: tangela doesnt resist fighting tho
+Silver Aurum: Balance is not ass
#Disjunction: balance is pretty ass
 cyanize: rip tangela
+GyRro: offensive plume would be cool
#Disjunction: but that's not a convo for rn
+Quite Quiet: tangela pretends to resist fighting,, because it's too fat
#Disjunction: I'm fine with plume, anyone opposed?
+Silver Aurum: yeah but it doesn't actually switch in on sawk
 cyanize: offensive plume gets blown back by sawk though tbh
+Silver Aurum: or check lilli
 cyanize: idk if we want that
 Shadestep: nah go vileplume, it doesnt rly bother knock off
+GyRro: are you compunding grass and fight to one mon?
 Shadestep: tangela does
+Dentricos: doesnt check or doesnt counter?
+Dentricos: plume wins 1v1
 Shadestep: plume is vine
 Shadestep: fine
 lolbro: plume wins on the switch too
 BrandonBeast999: Hi guys
 lolbro: unless zen
#Disjunction: ~workshop add Defensive Vileplume
@boltsandbombers: zen is almost standard
+Silver Aurum: I meant that Tangela doesn't check lilli
@boltsandbombers: at this point
 cyanize: def plume wins on the switch
+Dentricos: oh
@boltsandbombers: but plume still checks it well
#Disjunction: we're obligated to run another soft Fighting check anyways
+Dentricos: that makes sense
 lolbro: not rly bolts
#Disjunction: since it's balanced
+Quite Quiet: we could've also done scyther
+Silver Aurum: It just deters it from spamming STAB
+Quite Quiet: I guess? ._.
 lolbro: i still see most run eq
+Dentricos: wait zen isnt standard?
@boltsandbombers: it is
#Disjunction: zen is standard.
+Silver Aurum: It's p standard
 lolbro: i see more edgequake
 Based Loser: Sup guys
+Dentricos: yeh thats what I thought hahaha\
 lolbro: but let's move on
 cyanize: most grasses have a way to hit scyther anyways
#Disjunction: oh wait were we naive
#Disjunction: with Carracosta
#Disjunction: bolts
 lolbro: yh
@boltsandbombers: yea
+Silver Aurum: I assume yes
#Disjunction: kk
+Dentricos: I read almost standard and I was confused XD
#Disjunction: I'm using HP Ground Plume
#Disjunction: because KK also sets up on this costa
 Based Loser: What's the team so far ?
+Silver Aurum: that's fine I guess
#Disjunction: ~workshop team
+Dentricos: I like to chose plume's fuiller near the end
+Blast Chance: wouldn't you run hp fire
+GyRro: yeah best coverage is hp ground for sure
+Silver Aurum: I would prefer fire
+Silver Aurum: for seed
+Blast Chance: because costa has nothing
+Silver Aurum: but alas
+Blast Chance: for seed
@boltsandbombers: i dunno hp fire helps with seed
@boltsandbombers: and costa is only losing to seed bomb garb
#Disjunction: ok we can do hp fire toooo
+Dentricos: depends if we end up with a xatu
+Dentricos: if not fire is gr8
+Silver Aurum: I mean we can make edits later
@boltsandbombers: and yea the hp depends on rest of team
+Dentricos: ^
@boltsandbombers: so what are these two weak to
#Disjunction: we can switch it later
#Disjunction: if we're weak to skunk
@boltsandbombers: mag I guess
#Disjunction: ...somehow
 lolbro: couldn't we also change up the edge slot
 lolbro: to hydro
+Quite Quiet: complete the FWG core with mag imo
 lolbro: what item on costa?
 lolbro: lorb?
@boltsandbombers: lets work on mons for now
@boltsandbombers: and decide on sets later
+Blast Chance: id assume so
 lolbro: ok
 Shadestep: is this team gonna be posted anywhere
@boltsandbombers: but lo is what I'd use
@boltsandbombers: yes
+Blast Chance: on the forums
 Shadestep: ah okay
#Disjunction: I don't think mag is necessary on this team
 Shadestep: gl then im going to bed :] nite
@boltsandbombers: these two are fairly slow so something fast would be nice
#Disjunction: yh
+Dentricos: I kinda want a yama
#Disjunction: I don't
@boltsandbombers: for what
+Dentricos: checks mortar/aurorus
 Based Loser: It would be a good grass and steel check
@boltsandbombers: I guess for mortar and auro but it doesnt rly check steels
#Disjunction: uhhh
+Dentricos: helment plume checks steels #advertisement
 lolbro: could we go wispbusken?
#Disjunction: I guess it depends
#Disjunction: where do we want to take the team from here
#Disjunction: since we're building balance
 Based Sexy Pants: Dentri too MLG.
#Disjunction: do we want to focus on our offensive core
#Disjunction: or defensive core
@boltsandbombers: balance still needs some fast mons
 lolbro: ^
 lolbro: id say offense
 cyanize: same
+Dentricos: swellow is fun for speed
 lolbro: b/c costa needs mons weakned
+Dentricos: but we can go slower
 lolbro: to kill
+GyRro: viv seems cool
+Dentricos: cause we have costa to check other swellow
#Disjunction: idk if I want viv
+Quite Quiet: specs bird
#Disjunction: I think I'd prefer to build the team
@boltsandbombers: costa isnt a great swellow check
 lolbro: that said, we could focus on defensive core and run spike stack
@boltsandbombers: especially if naive
#Disjunction: without a rocks weakness
+GyRro: hmm fair enough
 Based Loser: Uhhh
+Dentricos: right now the only fast mon we are weak to is floatzel
 lolbro: no
#Disjunction: if we just want something fast I'd say Tauros
 lolbro: hp fire lilli
+Dentricos: depending where we go
 Based Loser: I was just about to say Tauros
 cyanize: i mean we may not be WEAK to birb
 cyanize: but we can't really switch in to it
 lolbro: mismag might not be bad
 cyanize: *bird
 lolbro: its a ground immune
 Based Loser: Chan as the spinner Dis ?
+Quite Quiet: 3/3 mons weak to LO ice punch chan if tauros :(
@boltsandbombers: tauros can live a mach from full and kill
 lolbro: helps break down different things that costa needs weakened
+Dentricos: oh we are also weak to ludicolo
+Dentricos: really liking yama
+Dentricos: heh
 lolbro: but then we're flying weak
 Based Loser: Yama is a good mon .
#Disjunction: 1 sec brb
 lolbro: esp with offensive costa
#Disjunction: bolts lead discussion
 cyanize: yama makes us even weaker to birb
 cyanize: tbh
 cyanize: why do i keep typing birb smh
 Based Loser: Yeah
@boltsandbombers: ok are we going to focus on covering stuff defensively
@boltsandbombers: on adding to the offensive core
@boltsandbombers: *or on
 Based Loser: Def
+Dentricos: I perfer starting defensively
 cyanize: def
 lolbro: spikes stack is cool with costa
+Quite Quiet: I prefer working offense > defense
 Based Loser: Make a poll
 Based Loser: and we just vote on it
@boltsandbombers: uh I'm fine with picking something offensive next so lets go with that
 lolbro: we're beat up by cm psychics right now
+Dentricos: jynx
+Dentricos: :D
@boltsandbombers: jynx isnt helping with mush
 cyanize: nah
+GyRro: or mag
 lolbro: or mag
+Quite Quiet: we're beaten by a lot of things anyway
+Quite Quiet: because you can't cover the meta in 2 mons...
 Based Loser: Mushy destroys so far
+Dentricos: oh you want a cm psychic response?
+Dentricos: scyther
 lolbro: but cm psys are the bigges tthreat rn
+rozes: Scyther doesn't beat Barrier mush ._.
@boltsandbombers: ^
+Dentricos: and a dark type
 cyanize: taunt mon maybe
+Dentricos: heh
 cyanize: skunk maybe?
@boltsandbombers: can you stop with the heh
+rozes: is the team only costa / plume rn?
@boltsandbombers: y
 lolbro: y
 Based Loser: Skuntank
#Disjunction: hello
+Quite Quiet: I prefer following what dis said, and adding something fast
#Disjunction: sorry I am going to be a butt
#Disjunction: and say
#Disjunction: defensive balance
#Disjunction: is shit
@boltsandbombers: it kinda is
#Disjunction: we should focus on a solid offensive core first
@boltsandbombers: are we still keeping defensive plume?
#Disjunction: and fill in the gaps
#Disjunction: yea I like plume
#Disjunction: it fits well with costa
#Disjunction: so with that in mind
#Disjunction: I say we focus on offensive partners for costa
@boltsandbombers: so we need offensive stuff that pressures what stops costa from setting up
#Disjunction: don't start bitching about how "x offensive threat beats us D:"
#Disjunction: because we want to focus on beating defensive threats
 lolbro: hari
#Disjunction: so with that in mind what do you guys think beats some of costa's checks
#Disjunction: I personally dislike hari
 lolbro: i meant
 cyanize: no hair stops us
@boltsandbombers: hari just makes the team so slow
 cyanize: *hari
 lolbro: ^
 lolbro: kind of
+Rapture's Finest: hariyama is ass
#Disjunction: we have a vileplume
 lolbro: not completely
@boltsandbombers: i dont think it fits here
+rozes: yama is not ass, but its not the right fit for this team
@boltsandbombers: mhm
 Written Emotions: Maybe Stallbreaker Mismagius could help? Just spitballing.
+rozes: also since we are using mixed costa
+Quite Quiet: unless you don't run synth on plume, yama doesn't beat it
+rozes: we can abuse something that hates physical walls
#Disjunction: I think yama is fairly ass
#Disjunction: but w/e
 cyanize: and who runs non-synth plume
+rozes: since costa lures them in w/ Hydro
@boltsandbombers: we're not using hydro
@boltsandbombers: atm
+rozes: oh whats the set then
#Disjunction: ya it's just physical with beam
@boltsandbombers: edge ice beam jet
 lolbro: edge ice jet
+rozes: kk
+Dentricos: most special attackers still wreck us though
+rozes: something that hates Grasses gone
#Disjunction: dentri
+rozes: *likes
#Disjunction: I legit just said
#Disjunction: don't bitch about offensive threats beating us
 lolbro: what spdef walls are there in nu rofl
+rozes: Yama
+rozes: Magmortar
+rozes: oo
+Rapture's Finest: i wouldnt call them walls
+GyRro: we're still pretty slow with mag though
+Blast Chance: ~workshop team
+rozes: but anyway, a fighting could be a cool fit
 cyanize: megadino, yama, "magmortar", bulky psychics
 cyanize: that's it
+rozes: since you lure in Plume
+rozes: w/ Ice Beam
@boltsandbombers: we could go sawk + hazard removal
#Disjunction: I was considering Primeape
#Disjunction: tbh
@boltsandbombers: that could work too
+Quite Quiet: can we just add cb ape and get on with it
 lolbro: no
 lolbro: cs ape
+rozes: why ape ._.
#Disjunction: qq don't be negative
#Disjunction: and I was looking at Ape cause U-turn
 cyanize: ^
+rozes: yeah turn is cool
#Disjunction: a lot of fighting resists that come in
#Disjunction: are set up fodder for costa
@boltsandbombers: but if it u-turns into a psychic
 lolbro: yeah
 lolbro: but
@boltsandbombers: what do we have for that
 lolbro: __we aren't hydro__
+Rapture's Finest: love clicking u turn with ape the whole game
@boltsandbombers: can you not text format abuse
+rozes: so?
+rozes: edge is cool
+Quite Quiet: I guess someone is scared of weezing wisping?
+rozes: +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Carracosta Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Weezing: 261-308 (78.1 - 92.2%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
+rozes: you still have sexy calcs like that
 lolbro: we're nauve
 lolbro: *naive
 lolbro: im fairy sure
+rozes: +2 252 Atk Life Orb Carracosta Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Weezing: 238-281 (71.2 - 84.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Black Sludge recovery
 cyanize: and also, we just get wipsed anyways
+rozes: + U_turn damage
+rozes: is sexy
@boltsandbombers: thats still a lot of damage and most weezing
@boltsandbombers: run speed
+Rapture's Finest: ^
+Dentricos: wait oh I should clarify jynx is something we need to prepare for
+Dentricos: Offensive check
@boltsandbombers: DENTRI
+Dentricos: Rofl something to break it
+Dentricos: stop
@boltsandbombers: [16:55] #Disjunction: don't start bitching about how "x offensive threat beats us D:"
@boltsandbombers: holy
 Based Loser: Sorry guys , I was away .
+Rapture's Finest: learn to offense
 Based Loser: what is the team ?
+rozes: ~workshop team
 Based Loser: Need a Mushy check .
#Disjunction: we're discussing Primeape right now
@boltsandbombers: so yes we need something above base 95 bc ape only ties with jynx
+rozes: yeah primeape sounds cool
 cyanize: i think ape's p good here
 cyanize: then we need something fast
#Disjunction: I'm running CC EdgeQuake U-turn
 cyanize: er
+Silver Aurum: I'm find with ape
+Silver Aurum: fine*
 lolbro: we could also use scyther
#Disjunction: but yes speedmon after ape is necessary
+GyRro: ape sounds good
 lolbro: because they all have the relatively same check
+rozes: yeah EdgeQuake is the best coverage imo
+Silver Aurum: agreed
+Quite Quiet: we could also do the bw2 strat of punishment ape
@boltsandbombers: hm so is there something fast that deals with psychics
+Quite Quiet: for a backup check to all the psychics
@boltsandbombers: taunt pyroar?
+Blast Chance: if we go with ape then id say either tauros or liepard should go in the next
@boltsandbombers: tauros sounds fine too
#Disjunction: taunt pyroar takes 50% from +1 mush's stored power
 cyanize: pard imo
+Silver Aurum: I love liepard n_n
 cyanize: more u-turn and twave fasterer things
@boltsandbombers: its not like tauros helps with mush
 lolbro: let's go pard
+rozes: Toxic Tauros :3
#Disjunction: yea I'm just saying
 lolbro: encore+twave
#Disjunction: we aren't checking mush
 lolbro: uturn
+Silver Aurum: ew t-wave
+Dentricos: Yeah exactly how is our costa breaking a jynx?
 lolbro: knock
#Disjunction: with anything fast
+Dentricos: it's worth talking about
#Disjunction: might as well deal with mush in our last two slots
@boltsandbombers: huh
@boltsandbombers: we have stone edge dentri
 cyanize: ^
+Dentricos: oh
+Dentricos: confused that
+Silver Aurum: lol
#Disjunction: ~workshop add Choice Band Primeape
 lolbro: but psychic at -1
 lolbro: w/e
+Quite Quiet: and max speed costa outspeeds a jynx at +2
@boltsandbombers: ok thoughts on liepard
 lolbro: no hazards, and sash
#Disjunction: it sucks
#Disjunction: :)
+Silver Aurum: -
+Quite Quiet: so unless you set up before breaking any sash, you're fine
+Vileman: hows the team going
 lolbro: what ability on ape
#Disjunction: Defiant
 cyanize: defaint obv
#Disjunction: ape doesn't beat any of the sleepers in the tier anyways
+Silver Aurum: yeah
 cyanize: does it beat lilli?
#Disjunction: is anyone opposed to Tauros for our resident fastmon
 cyanize: if it switches in on sleep
+Silver Aurum: but that is very situational
+Quite Quiet: but vital spirit is cool to not get effect spre hax
 lolbro: ~~i guess cb ice punch doesn't kill viv or lilli~~
+Silver Aurum: and we have
+Silver Aurum: plume
+Silver Aurum: for switching in on lilli
 lolbro: which doesn't beat viv
 cyanize: i still think pard should go in over tauros
 cyanize: but i guess it's fine
#Disjunction: why pard
#Disjunction: like
 lolbro: encore
#Disjunction: I understand it beats mush
 Based Loser: Don't forget about Malamar
@boltsandbombers: traps ghosts
 lolbro: twave
 cyanize: beats mush
 lolbro: ghosts
+Silver Aurum: and is fast
@boltsandbombers: that ape u-turns into
#Disjunction: but it's a terrible offensive threat
+Quite Quiet: twave pard would be cool support too :^)
 cyanize: slows down fast things whcih still threaten us btw
 lolbro: ^
 cyanize: more u-turn
+Silver Aurum: hate qq
#Disjunction: I would rather run a mon that crushes cores
+Silver Aurum: fine fine
#Disjunction: instead of something that just hits a stab move and u-turns
+Silver Aurum: we still need speed control
 lolbro: ^
 cyanize: ^
 lolbro: even with tauros
@boltsandbombers: I guess tauros works but then we rly need to cover psychics in last two slots
+Silver Aurum: correct
@boltsandbombers: and floatzel
+Quite Quiet: only reason I'd use pard would be twave support ._.
 cyanize: ^
 cyanize: tbh
+Quite Quiet: over some other fastmon*
 lolbro: floatzel is nice
 lolbro: so is zeb~~raiken~~
@boltsandbombers: lolbro stop
+Silver Aurum: so basically
@boltsandbombers: with the text format shit
 Based Loser: Twave iron head para flinch x)
+Silver Aurum: we're throwing on electrode
 cyanize: zeb is kinda lame rn
#Disjunction: I don't think we need any faster mons
 lolbro: zeb also forms a voltturn core
+Silver Aurum: we just need something for psychics
+Silver Aurum: then glue
#Disjunction: really just mush.
#Disjunction: we can break xatu and mes easily
+Silver Aurum: indeed
@boltsandbombers: I mean we have no electric immunities
#Disjunction: yea
@boltsandbombers: so twave is a bitch
@boltsandbombers: which they all run
+Silver Aurum: I hate t-wave so much
#Disjunction: I like the idea of pilo and then something in the last slot
+Silver Aurum: but agreed
+Quite Quiet: just add pilo, then we get rocks too
+rozes: we can run offensive lanturn
+rozes: w/ toxic
@boltsandbombers: pilo, another mon that loses to mush
@boltsandbombers: nice
+Silver Aurum: but we need a rocker
+Silver Aurum: do we not
 lolbro: metan
 lolbro: metang
+rozes: oh we can run Toxic Pilo
+rozes: if we really wanted
#Disjunction: ~workshop add Tauros
+Silver Aurum: we cripple ourselves vs mush but it could be worth
@boltsandbombers: metang sounds neat
@boltsandbombers: despite my bias
#Disjunction: do we need metang
+rozes: Pilo sounds better imo
+Quite Quiet: we need rocks somewhere
#Disjunction: like all of its defensive niches are already filled
+rozes: gives us a way to revenge shit like Scyther / Gant
#Disjunction: or could be filled better
#Disjunction: I like pilo the most
+Silver Aurum: yeah I agree with Pilo
@boltsandbombers: putting toxic on pilo and losing a stab or shard
@boltsandbombers: sounds prett meh
+rozes: just Toxic / Rocks / Shard / EQ
 lolbro: oh cool
#Disjunction: we have another slot
+Quite Quiet: and the options that doesn't horribly clash with costa are pretty much mesp/pilo/metang
+rozes: losing crash sucks
#Disjunction: let's not get too hung up on mush
+rozes: but its a cool set
#Disjunction: and just check it in the 6th slot
#Disjunction: pilo is optimal
+Silver Aurum: you gotta do what you gotta do
+rozes: we also have nothing for Malamar
 cyanize: cb uturn
+Blast Chance: man balamar
+Silver Aurum: shaky check
#Disjunction: that's not a check
+Silver Aurum: at best
 cyanize: true but it keeps it from abolsutely running through us
+Silver Aurum: need something solid
+Blast Chance: ~workshop team
+GyRro: could we use defensive mes as a rocker
 lolbro: is it mixed ros?
+GyRro: or ever offensive
+GyRro: even*
@boltsandbombers: why wouldnt it be mixed tauros
#Disjunction: defensive mes sounds cool too
#Disjunction: tbh
#Disjunction: it gives us a malamar check
+Silver Aurum: but it still doesn't beat
#Disjunction: secondary fighting check
+Silver Aurum: musharna
#Disjunction: TAHNKS SILVER
#Disjunction: ~banword add musharna
+Silver Aurum: LOL
@boltsandbombers: loooooooool
+Silver Aurum: n_n
+Blast Chance: mad
 lolbro: lellers
 cyanize: i 100% bet i'm gonna forget about that
 cyanize: and say it
#Disjunction: I'm running Iron Tail Tauros you can't stop me
+Silver Aurum: I'm fine with that
 lolbro: oh yeah
+Silver Aurum: we're audino weak
 lolbro: we lose to dino
@boltsandbombers: over what?
#Disjunction: EQ
+Silver Aurum: huh
+rozes: we aren't audino weak w/ plume
+rozes: ._.
 lolbro: uh
+Silver Aurum: it sets up on plume
@boltsandbombers: defensive plume
 lolbro: sludge does 10
+Silver Aurum: we're defensive
 lolbro: to +6 dino
@boltsandbombers: is set up on by crodino
+Silver Aurum: I would just run like
+rozes: we can run something w/ haze or clear smog in the last spot
+Blast Chance: I kinda want to run garb over plume
@boltsandbombers: like what lol
#Disjunction: or we could run iron tail
+Silver Aurum: Haze xatu just wins
+Quite Quiet: just run our own mega audino
+Blast Chance: it **just wins**
+Quite Quiet: and pray for no crit
+Silver Aurum: __just wins__
+rozes: oh wait what about that set that was being shown in the sets thread
+rozes: punishment skunk
#Disjunction: iron tail tauros
+Silver Aurum: -_-
 cyanize: over eq?
#Disjunction: yes
+Silver Aurum: Rock Climb/Earthquake/Iron Tail
+Silver Aurum: do we really need fire blast
 cyanize: eh i guess we don't need to hit rhydon anyways
 cyanize: given that we have plume
+Silver Aurum: like I mean we have CB ape and HP Fire plume
 Based Loser: Mushy check guys
 cyanize: actually we never said it was hp fire did we?
+Silver Aurum: well anyway I have to leave
+Silver Aurum: have fun
 Based Loser: Later
#Disjunction: ok let's get on track
 Based Loser: ^
+rozes: ~workshop team
#Disjunction: the most important thing right now
#Disjunction: is to round out our defensive core
 lolbro: what core? tbh
+rozes: my vote is towards punishment skunk tbh
 lolbro: it's a vileplume atm
#Disjunction: lolbro
#Disjunction: the one
#Disjunction: that we're
#Disjunction: about to make
+rozes: oh wait we still have two slots
#Disjunction: yes.
 lolbro: im tired, sorry
#Disjunction: that's why I don't think we should be crying blood
#Disjunction: about
#Disjunction: musharna
@boltsandbombers: I dont like dual poison cores that arent skunk weezing
 Csi Miami: you need rocks
+Quite Quiet: I don't rlly like double poisons on a team like this, when we don't have any eq switch ins
 Based Loser: We should regirock over costa tbh
 cyanize: no
@boltsandbombers: what qq said
+rozes: yeah im fine w/o skunk
@boltsandbombers: we're not changing costa
 cyanize: costa is the whole point of the team
+rozes: thought we had one slot left for everything
 lolbro: ^
@boltsandbombers: thats what the team is around
 lolbro: ^
+Blast Chance: lol
+GyRro: i vote some form of mes
 lolbro: phew, no second arrowsniped
 Based Loser: ^
+GyRro: defensive would be nice
#Disjunction: if we want a Floatzel switch-in and Volt blocker, there's always Lanturn....
@boltsandbombers: I dunno I liked metang bc it can toxic mush without getting toxiced back
+GyRro: but wouldnt check mush as well
@boltsandbombers: but I guess lanturn works ok
#Disjunction: Toxic Lanturn would also be able to Heal Bell
@boltsandbombers: yea
 lolbro: metang is also a normal and flying resist
 cyanize: but twave lanturn messe with fastmons
+Quite Quiet: costa resists normal/flying...
 cyanize: though i think fat pig is more of a priority
@boltsandbombers: do we agree with lanturn in 5th slot
 lolbro: but specs bird
 lolbro: im fine with glowfish
 cyanize: costa gets hit by most normal/flyings anyways
+GyRro: lanturn's fine with me
#Disjunction: ~workshop add Pivot Lanturn
 lolbro: and costa gets worn down quickly if we don anything other than lefties
+Quite Quiet: I mean, lanturn there pretty much forces mesp in the 6th doesn't it
@boltsandbombers: ok now rocker in last slot
@boltsandbombers: pilo/metang/mesp is what was mentioned i think
#Disjunction: we aren't using metang
+Blast Chance: ~workshop team
+Quite Quiet: because I'm not adding another ground weak mon as rocker
#Disjunction: sorry bolts
@boltsandbombers: fine
#Disjunction: but I don't want a huge
#Disjunction: momentum sap
#Disjunction: and a lot of its defensive merits are already covered
+rozes: we need a ground resist
+Quite Quiet: defensive mest with hw is cool
 Csi Miami: you need rocks too
#Disjunction: yes
 Csi Miami: Torterra?
+rozes: yeah mesprit sounds good
+Aladyyn: mesprit is the obvious choice
#Disjunction: we understand we need rocks
+GyRro: mes imo
+rozes: but w/ energy ball imo
 Csi Miami: Oh mes
+Aladyyn: gives a secondary fighting resist
@boltsandbombers: I'm cool with mesprit
@boltsandbombers: ah the tennis set
@boltsandbombers: nice
#Disjunction: yea I was going to say energy ball lol
#Disjunction: we need a rhydon check
 Based Loser: Mesprit :)
#Disjunction: well a secondary rhydon check
 lolbro: tort
@boltsandbombers: rocks psychic eball u-turn?
+rozes: or HWish > U-Turn
#Disjunction: I like HWish > U-turn but I don't really care either way
+GyRro: u turn or hw
+Aladyyn: both have merits
+Aladyyn: can't we just slash them or something haha
@boltsandbombers: ya
#Disjunction: sure
 lolbro: landslide win for uturn
@boltsandbombers: also lets decide on what hp for plume
#Disjunction: I'm fine with fire
+Blast Chance: it's not a "landslide" for anything :
+Aladyyn: hw is really nice with both costa and tauros
+GyRro: fire over ground with the team we have imo
#Disjunction: I haven't used Lanturn in months what's the spread
+Aladyyn: uhhh, speed for jolly don I guess?
@boltsandbombers: 40 HP / 148 Def / 208 SpD / 112 Spe
 lolbro: 40/220/208/40
@boltsandbombers: thats what I used on last team
 lolbro: or what bolts put
 cyanize: what's 112 for
@boltsandbombers: creeps jolly don by a bit
 lolbro: ^
 cyanize: o
#Disjunction: why do we need an ev spread compendium when we have bolt sand bombers
+Blast Chance: lanturn spreads depend on the team
 cyanize: idt we need l=jolly don creep
+Blast Chance: not like anyone even uses that thead
+Blast Chance: thread*
+Blast Chance: haha
+Quite Quiet: I've seen literally dozens of lanturn spreads
#Disjunction: I think I'm gonna lock it
 cyanize: bc we have two solid checks to it
@boltsandbombers: ya
 lolbro: blast
+Quite Quiet: so just make one up
 lolbro: i made a post there
 Based Loser: Bolts
 lolbro: :>
 lolbro: no posts since
 Based Loser: does the Spd outspeed rhydon ?
 lolbro: and hjad hasn't updated it
@boltsandbombers: [17:25] @boltsandbombers: creeps jolly don by a bit
 cyanize: do we even need that tbh
#Disjunction: ya
 Based Loser: Gotcha
#Disjunction: so rhydon can't
#Disjunction: revenge us
 cyanize: i guess
#Disjunction: colbur on mes?
 cyanize: though we can just switch on it
@boltsandbombers: colbur
 cyanize: y colbur
+Quite Quiet: need colbur imo
#Disjunction: oh
#Disjunction: we don't have a mala check
#Disjunction: if we're eball
#Disjunction: problem or n
@boltsandbombers: uh
@boltsandbombers: its not like u-turn
 Based Loser: What's the team again ?
@boltsandbombers: does much to it anyways
+Aladyyn: slap signal on lanturn
@boltsandbombers: ~workshop team
 lolbro: over what
#Disjunction: ~workshop add Defensive Mesprit
 lolbro: scald switch toxic or bell
@boltsandbombers: I dont see how we can fit signal
@boltsandbombers: on lanturn
 cyanize: we can't
@boltsandbombers: esp defensive
#Disjunction: three attacks defensive mes
#Disjunction: y/n
 lolbro: n
@boltsandbombers: n
+Quite Quiet: drop plume for scyther :^)
 cyanize: n
+Aladyyn: that sounds awfully cute
 lolbro: teddeh ur l8
 lolbro: m8
+Teddeh: I only just got home
#Disjunction: better late than never
#Disjunction: welcome Teddeh
+Teddeh: what is the team so far?
+Aladyyn: blame Disjunction, lolbro :PPPPP
#Disjunction: ~workshop team
 lolbro: ~workshop team
 cyanize: rip
 lolbro: damn
 Based Loser: Lol
#Disjunction: we're discussing moves for defensive mes
+Teddeh: weak to hazards
+Teddeh: :(
 lolbro: ^
#Disjunction: it's not really
 lolbro: nobody realised
#Disjunction: we have ways of dealing with spike setters
 lolbro: we sorta fold to spikes
+rozes: nothing really can spike stack though
#Disjunction: rocks are mildly annoying
@boltsandbombers: how do we fold to spikes
@boltsandbombers: lol
 lolbro: oh wait
 lolbro: im retarded, dont mind me
@boltsandbombers: ._.
+Teddeh: i think that ferroseed gives the team a hard time, because it can switch in / stop carra, tauros, pivot turn and defensive mesprit
#Disjunction: it doesn't stop tauros
+Teddeh: and set spikes
 lolbro: we have hp fire plume
@boltsandbombers: tauros has fire blast, lanturn just volt switches out
 lolbro: and blast tauros
+Teddeh: when 5/6 team are grounded
+Teddeh: I think a solution is archeops over tauros
+Teddeh: and adding defog
#Disjunction: I legit
#Disjunction: hate
@boltsandbombers: how does archeops help with seed
#Disjunction: defog chops
@boltsandbombers: me too
+Blast Chance: same
#Disjunction: it's one of the shittiest chops sets lol
 lolbro: what do you run 4th slot then ?_?
+Teddeh: I think having an answer to hazards is good though
 lolbro: uturn?
+Blast Chance: anything else
@boltsandbombers: yes because archeops beats what hazard setter?
+Blast Chance: (coverage)
 cyanize: literally
 cyanize: none
#Disjunction: Aqua Tail, Focus Blast, Heat Wave, Hidden Power Grass, Knock Off
#Disjunction: and even shitty U-turn
#Disjunction: but
+Teddeh: Woah, so much hostility
 cyanize: yo i never though of fblast
#Disjunction: regardless
 lolbro: it beats most of them we atail
+Teddeh: defog chops works because it forces switches
 cyanize: no it doesn't
 cyanize: lmao
 lolbro: "beats"
+Aladyyn: wait so uturn is shitty but focus blast is not?
+Teddeh: and it outspeeds a lot
 lolbro: ^^
 cyanize: there aren't even quotes there tbh
@boltsandbombers: I dont think u-turn or fblast are very good
 cyanize: it beats no hazard setters with aqua tail
+Blast Chance: ANYWAY, I think there is a mild hazard weakness but idt it's worth going out of our way to account for
 cyanize: ^
#Disjunction: I agree with blast
+Aladyyn: I use uturn often on cheops and seldom do I wish to have a different move
+Aladyyn: also agreed that the team doesn't need hazard control necessarily
#Disjunction: the only problem I see worth addressing rn is fitting coverage somewhere to deal with malamar
 cyanize: we still have to fix that squid weakness
#Disjunction: I'm honestly in favor of three attacks defensive mes lol.
 cyanize: hp bug plume
 cyanize: ????\
 lolbro: ..
@boltsandbombers: signal psychic eball rocks?
 lolbro: ca$h
#Disjunction: yes bolts
 Based Loser: Mushy beats .
#Disjunction: I don't see how else
+GyRro: thats sounds like it covers us well
+Blast Chance: ~workshop team
@boltsandbombers: I guess but at that point its almost looking like an offensive set
 cyanize: p much
 Based Loser: Barrier CM Mushy just wins
#Disjunction: so?
 lolbro: no
 cyanize: based loser
#Disjunction: if we're making the most use out its offensive slots
#Disjunction: then so be it
 lolbro: we have the toxic lanturn counter
 cyanize: we have toxic lanturn
@boltsandbombers: fair enough
#Disjunction: we don't NEED utility for it to be defensive
@boltsandbombers: 0 SpA Mesprit Signal Beam vs. 252 HP / 244+ SpD Malamar: 200-236 (53.1 - 62.7%)
 Based Loser: And what if the Mushy has heal bell
@boltsandbombers: we dont need any investment to 2hko
@boltsandbombers: which is nice
#Disjunction: heal bell is pretty bad right now
 lolbro: ^
 cyanize: and how will it be barrier heal bel
 lolbro: unless the pivot set
 cyanize: unless no coverage
 cyanize: in which case it gets worn down
 cyanize: really easy
 lolbro: which only uses bell if bp is taken
 cyanize: *no healing
#Disjunction: any other outstanding complaints?
 lolbro: item on costa?
@boltsandbombers: life orb
 cyanize: lo
 lolbro: lorb is assume
 cyanize: i think we need a way to stop bird better
@boltsandbombers: I went with 64 spa to have a rly high chance to kill plume at +2
@boltsandbombers: max spe rest in atk
 cyanize: seeing as lanturn dies to eq better with less def investment
 lolbro: we have mesprit
 lolbro: zzz
#Disjunction: http://pastebin.com/fWKfRLkz
#Disjunction: anything you guys hate here
@boltsandbombers: disj
@boltsandbombers: thats black glasses
#Disjunction: hi
+Aladyyn: Vileplume @ Black Glasses
 cyanize: but what exactly does it do back
@boltsandbombers: plume
#Disjunction: ?
#Disjunction: that's standard?
 cyanize: chops can just roost on it and we're not twave
+Blast Chance: glasses
+Blast Chance: (cool)
@boltsandbombers: (cool0
#Disjunction: yea
@boltsandbombers: fuck
#Disjunction: that's standard
@boltsandbombers: o why rock slide on tauros
+Aladyyn: mesprit does well enough against cheops
#Disjunction: I like it :)
+Aladyyn: and so does costa
#Disjunction: but we can change it
#Disjunction: zen's better rn right
@boltsandbombers: I guess that helps
@boltsandbombers: with archeops
@boltsandbombers: but zen is usually better
@boltsandbombers: and tauros to a lesser
@boltsandbombers: er scyther
 cyanize: zen 2hkos chops anyways doesn't it
#Disjunction: k goin with zen
#Disjunction: oh wait scyther
#Disjunction: ehh
#Disjunction: we set up on scyther
#Disjunction: with costa
 cyanize: wait 64 speed def mes
 cyanize: what's that for?
#Disjunction: garb
 cyanize: o
#Disjunction: anything else or can we wrap up?
 lolbro: we are is done
 lolbro: imo
@boltsandbombers: I like it
#Disjunction: same :)
#Disjunction: thanks for coming out everyone! job well done!
+GyRro: ty dis!
 Pokedots: I missed it all
 Pokedots: :p
 Pokedots: *:o
+Blast Chance: :p
#Disjunction: QQ
#Disjunction: never told me how to get BB
#Disjunction: to send me the logs
#Disjunction: uhhhhh
@boltsandbombers: I can just c/p it or smth
#Disjunction: ~workshop team
#Disjunction: hm
#Disjunction: ok QQ's bot is broken that's a relief
#Disjunction: I thought I was just dumb
+Silver Aurum: ew
+Marilli: xD