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  1. Jul 23 19:17:36 <miyako>        I'd like to try to keep this to an hour; I feel like a lot of our meetings have gone on for too long
  2. Jul 23 19:17:41 <TheDuceCat>    yeah
  3. Jul 23 19:17:48 <TheDuceCat>    what are today's goals?
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  5. Jul 23 19:17:53 <TheDuceCat>    ^stats
  6. Jul 23 19:17:53 <CatBot>        --- Channel statistics ---
  7. Jul 23 19:17:53 <CatBot>        Channel: #rpcdesktop
  8. Jul 23 19:17:53 <CatBot>        Users: ArrowBot, Bradford, CatBot, chancez, decatf, Filter_, LoGabr, miyako, Suner, tayne, thearrowflies, TheDuceCat
  9. Jul 23 19:17:53 <CatBot>        Opers: ArrowBot, miyako, thearrowflies, TheDuceCat
  10. Jul 23 19:17:53 <CatBot>        Voiced:
  11. Jul 23 19:18:09 <tayne> oh shit thanks catbot
  12. Jul 23 19:18:18 <TheDuceCat>    lol
  13. Jul 23 19:18:19 <miyako>        I think the biggest issue we have right now is that we need to start getting code written.
  14. Jul 23 19:18:23 <Suner> ^
  15. Jul 23 19:18:28 <miyako>        what stands in our way from starting that right now?
  16. Jul 23 19:18:36 <Filter_>       lack of direction
  17. Jul 23 19:18:40 <Filter_>       no clear goals written down
  18. Jul 23 19:18:44 <Suner> ^
  19. Jul 23 19:18:51 <miyako>        I know I committed to starting to get some design documentation done
  20. Jul 23 19:18:59 <Suner> we have a basic idea of the final product
  21. Jul 23 19:19:06 <Suner> but no immediate goals
  22. Jul 23 19:19:11 <thearrowflies> that woke me up
  23. Jul 23 19:19:16 <miyako>        and I apologize but I've just been too sick to work on that as of yet; it will probably be next weekend before I can really sit down and work on that
  24. Jul 23 19:19:48 <miyako>        wasn't someone going to work on a GUI prototype?
  25. Jul 23 19:19:54 <TheDuceCat>    arrow
  26. Jul 23 19:20:07 <TheDuceCat>    ^die
  27. Jul 23 19:20:07 <thearrowflies> ?
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  29. Jul 23 19:20:18 <TheDuceCat>    were'nt you going to make mockups?
  30. Jul 23 19:20:39 <thearrowflies> yeah >.>
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  32. Jul 23 19:21:16 <thearrowflies> let me wake up and then ill switch over to osx and do it
  33. Jul 23 19:21:18 <TheDuceCat>    how is gtk+ compared to QT?
  34. Jul 23 19:21:36 <TheDuceCat>    it can keep the whole code base to C :)
  35. Jul 23 19:21:43 <TheDuceCat>    ^pingall
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  37. Jul 23 19:21:56 <thearrowflies> wait what? i was going to do it in photoshgop
  38. Jul 23 19:22:28 <TheDuceCat>    no
  39. Jul 23 19:22:30 <TheDuceCat>    not for mockups
  40. Jul 23 19:22:32 <miyako>        TheDuceCat: I like GTK+, but a lot of people don't.  I think the C++/Qt and C backend approach satisfies the most people who want to work on the project
  41. Jul 23 19:22:34 <TheDuceCat>    just for a framework
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  43. Jul 23 19:22:41 <TheDuceCat>    ok
  44. Jul 23 19:22:49 <TheDuceCat>    but...C ;(
  45. Jul 23 19:22:57 <Suner> I'd just like to interject
  46. Jul 23 19:22:58 <miyako>        glib is pretty nice though, I suspect we might end up using it on the back end
  47. Jul 23 19:23:04 <Suner> I don't like Qt
  48. Jul 23 19:23:05 <Suner> :p
  49. Jul 23 19:23:10 <thearrowflies> ok, let me open up creator
  50. Jul 23 19:23:20 <TheDuceCat>    ^pingall
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  52. Jul 23 19:23:50 <miyako>        Suner: I mis-spoke, I should have said that the C and C++/Qt combination we've settled on has the smallest standard deviation in the level of dissatisfaction
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  54. Jul 23 19:24:34 <Suner> haha, yeah, probably
  55. Jul 23 19:24:45 <TheDuceCat>    let's write everything in assembly
  56. Jul 23 19:24:56 <thearrowflies> ^
  57. Jul 23 19:25:04 <miyako>        6802 assembly!
  58. Jul 23 19:25:14 <TheDuceCat>    ^pingall
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  62. Jul 23 19:25:25 <thearrowflies> why is it quitting?
  63. Jul 23 19:25:32 <timg>  hi
  64. Jul 23 19:25:38 <TheDuceCat>    i'm debugging :)
  65. Jul 23 19:25:42 <miyako>        hey timg
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  67. Jul 23 19:25:49 <TheDuceCat>    ^pingall
  68. Jul 23 19:25:49 <CatBot>        Wake up! ArrowBot, Bradford, CatBot, chancez, decatf, Filter_, LoGabr, miyako, Suner, tayne, thearrowflies, TheDuceCat, timg
  69. Jul 23 19:25:51 <timg>  hey miya
  70. Jul 23 19:25:51 <TheDuceCat>    lol
  71. Jul 23 19:25:53 <TheDuceCat>    that will be fun
  72. Jul 23 19:25:59 <tayne> ?
  73. Jul 23 19:26:02 <timg>  CatBot: that's stupidly annoying
  74. Jul 23 19:26:07 <thearrowflies> no its not
  75. Jul 23 19:26:09 <thearrowflies> it woke me up
  76. Jul 23 19:26:11 <TheDuceCat>    it's meeting time!
  77. Jul 23 19:26:12 <timg>  is so!
  78. Jul 23 19:26:15 <timg>  oh?
  79. Jul 23 19:26:16 <miyako>        So, I think last time the things we had floating up in the air were
  80. Jul 23 19:26:16 <tayne> it's annoying as hell
  81. Jul 23 19:26:17 <thearrowflies> my volume was really loud
  82. Jul 23 19:26:17 <Suner> miyako: although iirc at the last meeting no one really voiced anything
  83. Jul 23 19:26:18 <TheDuceCat>    i'll brb :)
  84. Jul 23 19:26:19 <timg>  ok, let's meet!
  85. Jul 23 19:26:25 *       TheDuceCat is away: BRB
  86. Jul 23 19:26:47 <miyako>        file format information, how the tiles will be stored, who opens tile sets, how are they shared between the backend and frontend
  87. Jul 23 19:27:40 <Suner> ah, I'm still not entirely sure of what the backend actually does
  88. Jul 23 19:28:04 <miyako>        Suner: for right now, not very much at all
  89. Jul 23 19:28:40 <miyako>        The long term vision of the backend is a library that you use to compose tiles, feed tiles and terrain information into it, and get back out a mesh or vector image with map data
  90. Jul 23 19:28:50 <Suner> just a file reader/writer for now?
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  92. Jul 23 19:29:27 <miyako>        Suner: I'd like it to be slightly smarter than that, but probably not by much really
  93. Jul 23 19:29:45 <Suner> I'm just talking about immediate goal
  94. Jul 23 19:30:08 <Suner> as in, where we simply get a basic map to render with fix tiles
  95. Jul 23 19:30:12 <miyako>        Suner: yeah, I think for now the backend should actually read the tiles and give them to the front end
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  97. Jul 23 19:32:00 <miyako>        At a high level, the way I see the program flow with the front and back ends is:
  98. Jul 23 19:33:08 <miyako>        frontend starts -> initializes the backend library; user creates a new map -> frontend requests a new map -> backend returns a map_t data structure that is opaque
  99. Jul 23 19:33:46 <miyako>        front-end calls renderMap(map) and gets back a bitmap that it draws to the openGL context
  100. Jul 23 19:34:14 <Suner> all right
  101. Jul 23 19:34:38 <miyako>        user selects a tile (more on this in a minute), front end calls addTile(map, tileID, tileX, tileY) then renderMap(map)
  102. Jul 23 19:34:46 <miyako>        and redraws the new sprite into the OpenGL context
  103. Jul 23 19:35:13 <miyako>        to select tiles, the user clicks "choose tile set" and selects a directory full of tiles
  104. Jul 23 19:35:37 <miyako>        the front end calls to the back end addTileLibrary(tileLibrary, path)
  105. Jul 23 19:35:49 <miyako>        tileLibrary is probably a map or something, I don't know for sure yet
  106. Jul 23 19:36:11 <miyako>        but it contains maybe a key if it's a map, and some tile_t types
  107. Jul 23 19:36:26 <miyako>        which are opaque pointers to the backends internal representation of a tile
  108. Jul 23 19:37:12 <miyako>        then the frontend calls something like: tileGetThumbnail(tileID) tileGetName(tileID) to get the name and a thumbnail image of the tile
  109. Jul 23 19:37:37 <miyako>        and tileGetSprite(tileID) to get a full sized sprite of the tile (perhaps to set as the cursor when the user is adding something to the map)
  110. Jul 23 19:38:08 <miyako>        that's the vague design ideas I have in my head right now, I'm open to other ideas
  111. Jul 23 19:38:29 <TheDuceCat>    sorry
  112. Jul 23 19:38:31 <TheDuceCat>    back
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  114. Jul 23 19:39:28 <miyako>        TheDuceCat: no problem, read my general design idea and see what you think
  115. Jul 23 19:40:17 <TheDuceCat>    looks good
  116. Jul 23 19:42:05 <Suner> sounds like a good starting point
  117. Jul 23 19:45:52 <thearrowflies> qt designer is a bit weird to work with
  118. Jul 23 19:46:08 <TheDuceCat>    why?
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  120. Jul 23 19:46:56 <thearrowflies> it may just be me being a noob, but i cant figure out how to do alot of things
  121. Jul 23 19:47:06 <TheDuceCat>    like what?
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  123. Jul 23 19:47:29 <thearrowflies> i cant figure out how to get rid of the bottom bar
  124. Jul 23 19:47:36 <thearrowflies> or how to add things to the toolbar
  125. Jul 23 19:47:42 <TheDuceCat>    there's a bottom bar?
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  127. Jul 23 19:47:54 <TheDuceCat>    on the design software or the app itself?
  128. Jul 23 19:48:19 <thearrowflies> you know how steam has that bar on the bottom of the window?
  129. Jul 23 19:48:22 <thearrowflies> its like that
  130. Jul 23 19:48:24 <thearrowflies> but not as thick
  131. Jul 23 19:48:49 <TheDuceCat>    on Qt Creator or the design you're making?
  132. Jul 23 19:48:54 <thearrowflies> on the design
  133. Jul 23 19:48:59 <thearrowflies> dunno how to get rid of it
  134. Jul 23 19:49:09 <thearrowflies> and things snap into place, which is good but right now its annoying
  135. Jul 23 19:49:35 <Bradford>      hey im not sure wahts going on
  136. Jul 23 19:49:41 <Bradford>      for the desktop project right now
  137. Jul 23 19:49:50 <TheDuceCat>    i got it
  138. Jul 23 19:50:08 <TheDuceCat>    on the right side you get a object hierarchy correct?
  139. Jul 23 19:50:20 <thearrowflies> yeah
  140. Jul 23 19:50:27 <thearrowflies> i just removed status bar
  141. Jul 23 19:50:46 <TheDuceCat>    that work for you?
  142. Jul 23 19:50:51 <thearrowflies> yeah
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  144. Jul 23 19:53:23 <thearrowflies> this is just a basic design
  145. Jul 23 19:53:24 <thearrowflies> # I accidentally posted the wrong picture here. Correct link http://i.imgur.com/oNGf7.png #
  146. Jul 23 19:53:33 <thearrowflies> the white area would be the working area
  147. Jul 23 19:53:38 <thearrowflies> the tools would be like that
  148. Jul 23 19:53:39 <thearrowflies> but
  149. Jul 23 19:53:40 <Suner> lolwut
  150. Jul 23 19:53:44 <thearrowflies> have an option to popoup
  151. Jul 23 19:54:08 <thearrowflies> the grey thing up top would be various tools not in the toolbox on right
  152. Jul 23 19:54:32 <Suner> lol, I thought you were joking
  153. Jul 23 19:54:35 <Suner> had a good laugh
  154. Jul 23 19:54:41 <thearrowflies> >.>
  155. Jul 23 19:54:44 <Suner> but I think you pasted the wrong link mate
  156. Jul 23 19:54:53 <TheDuceCat>    nice rig though
  157. Jul 23 19:54:53 <thearrowflies> oh
  158. Jul 23 19:54:56 <thearrowflies> >.>
  159. Jul 23 19:54:57 <TheDuceCat>    :)
  160. Jul 23 19:55:03 <thearrowflies> dammit
  161. Jul 23 19:55:06 <thearrowflies> forgot to copy it
  162. Jul 23 19:55:07 <thearrowflies> http://i.imgur.com/oNGf7.png
  163. Jul 23 19:55:08 <thearrowflies> yeah
  164. Jul 23 19:55:09 <thearrowflies> thats it
  165. Jul 23 19:55:41 <Suner> yeah that's good enough
  166. Jul 23 19:55:46 <Suner> things are always subject to change
  167. Jul 23 19:58:06 <Suner> do we just want to
  168. Jul 23 19:58:34 <Suner> link filenames in the map file (to tiles), or actually include the tile data in the map file?
  169. Jul 23 19:59:07 <miyako>        I think the tile data should be included in the map file
  170. Jul 23 19:59:29 <miyako>        linking to the filename would be a good feature to possible add in the future though IMHO
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  173. Jul 23 20:04:05 <miyako>        the discussion seems to have started to lag; anyone have anything else they want to bring up for the meeting?
  174. Jul 23 20:04:35 <Suner> can we at least get a project structure going?
  175. Jul 23 20:04:41 <Suner> are we still using CMake?
  176. Jul 23 20:04:47 <TheDuceCat>    yeah
  177. Jul 23 20:05:05 <LoGabr2>       Can i get a trello invite
  178. Jul 23 20:05:12 <Suner> can we decide on a unit testing framework?
  179. Jul 23 20:05:31 <TheDuceCat>    pm me your email
  180. Jul 23 20:05:40 <thearrowflies> who is working on the QT part of it?
  181. Jul 23 20:05:49 <TheDuceCat>    i am
  182. Jul 23 20:06:07 <TheDuceCat>    LoGabr2: pm me your email
  183. Jul 23 20:06:11 <thearrowflies> just us?
  184. Jul 23 20:06:32 <TheDuceCat>    everybody is gone
  185. Jul 23 20:06:37 <thearrowflies> :<
  186. Jul 23 20:06:50 <Suner> lol
  187. Jul 23 20:06:57 <thearrowflies> do you want to start coding first or do you want me to?
  188. Jul 23 20:07:07 <TheDuceCat>    we have 26 in the trello
  189. Jul 23 20:07:09 <Suner> if you guys need any help with it I'll probably pitch in
  190. Jul 23 20:07:22 <TheDuceCat>    let's see how the git is giong to be structured before we code
  191. Jul 23 20:07:27 <miyako>        I'm hoping to start getting code written on the backend this week
  192. Jul 23 20:07:31 <thearrowflies> ok
  193. Jul 23 20:07:35 <TheDuceCat>    yeah there are no set 'teams' or anything
  194. Jul 23 20:07:39 <TheDuceCat>    you can go back and forth
  195. Jul 23 20:08:04 <miyako>        yeah, I do plan on trying to contribute to the GUI a little :)
  196. Jul 23 20:08:37 <TheDuceCat>    i wonder how many people are still interested
  197. Jul 23 20:08:57 <Bradford>      i am
  198. Jul 23 20:09:04 <TheDuceCat>    everyone in this chat is
  199. Jul 23 20:09:21 <thearrowflies> except for the people not talking/afk
  200. Jul 23 20:09:24 <miyako>        I would guess there will be maybe 5 or 6 regular contributers, with maybe 3 or 4 additional people who work on significant features
  201. Jul 23 20:09:35 <TheDuceCat>    mmm
  202. Jul 23 20:09:58 <miyako>        I haven't seen Filter_ say much, but given the enthusiasm with which he worked on that gaussian blur code I expect to see him jumping into the code once it gets started, I could be wrong though
  203. Jul 23 20:10:22 <Suner> http://ideone.com/n24Gn here's a quick mockup of a potential binary file format
  204. Jul 23 20:10:24 <Suner> and yeah
  205. Jul 23 20:10:24 <ArrowBot>      Title: Ideone.com | Online C Compiler & Debugging Tool (at ideone.com)
  206. Jul 23 20:10:29 <Suner> directory structure
  207. Jul 23 20:10:37 <decatf>        put me in the former category
  208. Jul 23 20:11:10 <miyako>        I'm actually pretty happy with the way things have gone, if we had the ~25 or so people that were here during the first meeting still collaborating, getting started would be a real cluster; I'll probably be better to gain some momentum and then grow the number of core contributers once we have a good direction
  209. Jul 23 20:11:46 <chancez>       wudup
  210. Jul 23 20:12:18 <LoGabr2>       I am very interested but i have very little low level language experience so i will probably watch for a bit before i try to contribute
  211. Jul 23 20:12:33 <Bradford>      ditto
  212. Jul 23 20:14:24 <miyako>        LoGabr2, Bradford well hopefully we can make it easy for you to start contributing :)
  213. Jul 23 20:14:52 <Bradford>      yea thanky you!!!!!
  214. Jul 23 20:14:55 <Bradford>      thank you*
  215. Jul 23 20:15:19 <TheDuceCat>    :)
  216. Jul 23 20:16:25 <TheDuceCat>    how are we going to structure this project?
  217. Jul 23 20:16:45 <miyako>        TheDuceCat: you mean like directory structuring?
  218. Jul 23 20:16:50 <TheDuceCat>    exactly
  219. Jul 23 20:17:03 <TheDuceCat>    src lib bin etc
  220. Jul 23 20:18:24 <miyako>        tieldr/{build, doc, lib, src, resources} tieldr/src/{gui, backend, plugin}
  221. Jul 23 20:18:37 <miyako>        ?
  222. Jul 23 20:18:45 <TheDuceCat>    good
  223. Jul 23 20:18:45 <Suner> yeah
  224. Jul 23 20:18:51 <TheDuceCat>    maybe instead of resources -> res
  225. Jul 23 20:18:56 <TheDuceCat>    i like three letters :)
  226. Jul 23 20:19:00 <Suner> no comments on my file proposal?
  227. Jul 23 20:19:15 <miyako>        Suner: re: linking files vs embedding?
  228. Jul 23 20:19:15 <TheDuceCat>    i don't know a lot about using binary data
  229. Jul 23 20:19:16 <TheDuceCat>    so
  230. Jul 23 20:19:26 <TheDuceCat>    http://ideone.com/n24Gn
  231. Jul 23 20:19:29 <ArrowBot>      Title: Ideone.com | Online C Compiler & Debugging Tool (at ideone.com)
  232. Jul 23 20:21:26 <miyako>        hmm
  233. Jul 23 20:24:26 <thearrowflies> isnt that what he posted?
  234. Jul 23 20:24:34 <TheDuceCat>    IT'S MY CODE
  235. Jul 23 20:24:39 <Suner> haha
  236. Jul 23 20:24:48 <TheDuceCat>    i don't know how it works but it's mine
  237. Jul 23 20:24:59 <thearrowflies> ok
  238. Jul 23 20:25:06 <TheDuceCat>    should i do pingall again lol
  239. Jul 23 20:25:08 <miyako>        This is my code; there are many like it, but this one is mine...
  240. Jul 23 20:25:23 <TheDuceCat>    :|
  241. Jul 23 20:25:44 <LoGabr2>       Night gents
  242. Jul 23 20:25:49 <thearrowflies> night
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  244. Jul 23 20:26:03 <miyako>        TheDuceCat: I see what you're going for there, I'm not sure that's the format I'd use personally
  245. Jul 23 20:26:16 <miyako>        I was thinking something like:
  246. Jul 23 20:26:18 <TheDuceCat>    that's not mine
  247. Jul 23 20:26:19 <TheDuceCat>    lol
  248. Jul 23 20:26:20 <TheDuceCat>    Suner wrote it
  249. Jul 23 20:27:34 <thearrowflies> whats with the
  250. Jul 23 20:27:35 <thearrowflies> 0x00, 0x54
  251. Jul 23 20:27:43 <Suner> magic number
  252. Jul 23 20:27:46 <thearrowflies> why cant you use the decimal representation
  253. Jul 23 20:28:09 <Suner> errr, because hex was easier?
  254. Jul 23 20:28:09 <Suner> lol
  255. Jul 23 20:28:10 <thearrowflies> if there is one
  256. Jul 23 20:28:14 <thearrowflies> it is?
  257. Jul 23 20:28:34 <thearrowflies> 0x00 = 0, right?
  258. Jul 23 20:28:41 <TheDuceCat>    i don't know anything about reading/writing binary
  259. Jul 23 20:28:43 <Suner> yeah
  260. Jul 23 20:28:51 <miyako>        <magic number><version><tile count>[<tile packet bytes><tile id><tile name byte><tile name><tile data bytes><tile data> ...]<map size x> <map size y>[row major tile data by tile id]
  261. Jul 23 20:29:14 <miyako>        do it sort of like huffman coding
  262. Jul 23 20:29:45 <Suner> what's the point in tiles having names?
  263. Jul 23 20:30:03 <miyako>        *shrug* maybe it's unnecessary
  264. Jul 23 20:30:11 <TheDuceCat>    tile age
  265. Jul 23 20:30:13 <TheDuceCat>    tile wife
  266. Jul 23 20:30:17 <TheDuceCat>    tile children array
  267. Jul 23 20:30:30 <Suner> and btw, I was just going for easiest format to implement that get's the job done
  268. Jul 23 20:30:56 <TheDuceCat>    how about you guys handle file format because i'm clueless on r/w binary
  269. Jul 23 20:31:39 <miyako>        TheDuceCat: yeah, I figure that the file format will be a feature someone implements after we have some of the other stuff done
  270. Jul 23 20:31:58 <TheDuceCat>    k
  271. Jul 23 20:32:00 <miyako>        we might just start out without the ability to save maps at all, and once we have an idea of how the code and our data structures look we might be able to make a better decision
  272. Jul 23 20:32:32 <TheDuceCat>    +1
  273. Jul 23 20:32:57 <thearrowflies> boost has this cool thing that lets you output objects to file
  274. Jul 23 20:32:59 <thearrowflies> just saying
  275. Jul 23 20:33:08 <thearrowflies> and input them
  276. Jul 23 20:33:17 <Suner> serialization?
  277. Jul 23 20:33:20 <thearrowflies> ja
  278. Jul 23 20:33:30 <Suner> welp, backend is in C not C++ :p
  279. Jul 23 20:33:39 <thearrowflies> true
  280. Jul 23 20:34:00 <Suner> and even then
  281. Jul 23 20:34:04 <Suner> it has it's downsides
  282. Jul 23 20:36:43 <TheDuceCat>    well its been > an hour
  283. Jul 23 20:36:52 <TheDuceCat>    so are we going to wrap this up?
  284. Jul 23 20:37:32 <miyako>        TheDuceCat: sounds good to me
  285. Jul 23 20:37:49 <miyako>        TheDuceCat: mind taking the summary again today?
  286. Jul 23 20:37:53 <TheDuceCat>    miyako do you want to set up the folders?
  287. Jul 23 20:37:53 <TheDuceCat>    res
  288. Jul 23 20:37:53 <TheDuceCat>    src
  289. Jul 23 20:37:53 <TheDuceCat>    build
  290. Jul 23 20:37:55 <TheDuceCat>    doc
  291. Jul 23 20:37:57 <TheDuceCat>    yeah
  292. Jul 23 20:38:08 <TheDuceCat>    src/backend src/gui src/plugins
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