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  1. 11:56 PM - Morinel: Any thoughts on Biden's MBTI? :P
  2. 11:56 PM - Galahaut: "EMBRYOS ARE HUMAN BEINGS BECAUSE MINE LOOKED LIKE A BEAN!"
  3. 11:57 PM - Galahaut: definitely E...
  4. 11:57 PM - Morinel: I'm thinking he's an ENFJ
  5. 11:57 PM - Galahaut: yeah
  6. 11:57 PM - Morinel: Definitely strong extraverted feeling in him
  7. 11:57 PM - Galahaut: definitely ENF.
  8. 11:58 PM - Galahaut: actually he could be S I suppose.
  9. 11:58 PM - Morinel: What makes you say that?
  10. 11:59 PM - Galahaut: Well you can't really determine S/N just by the outward projections.
  11. 11:59 PM - Galahaut: More about how he gets there.
  12. 11:59 PM - Morinel: Well the difference between ESFJ and ENFJ is sensing and intuition
  13. 11:59 PM - Morinel: So basically: does he have Si-Ne or Ni-Se
  14. 11:59 PM - Galahaut: yeah
  15. 11:59 PM - Galahaut: that's why I said he could be either =P
  16. Friday, October 12, 2012
  17. 12:00 AM - Morinel: So... which one? :P
  18. 12:00 AM - Galahaut: I don't know!
  19. 12:00 AM - Galahaut: I need more facts!
  20. 12:00 AM - Galahaut: =P
  21. 12:00 AM - Morinel: Hm...
  22. 12:00 AM - Morinel: To wikipedia!
  23. 12:00 AM - Galahaut: hah
  24. 12:01 AM - Morinel: Biden attended the Archmere Academy in Claymont,[13] where he was a standout halfback/wide receiver on the high school football team; he helped lead a perennially losing team to an undefeated season in his senior year.
  25. 12:01 AM - Morinel: Yep he's ENFJ
  26. 12:01 AM - Galahaut: biden is ENFJ
  27. 12:01 AM - Galahaut: according to this site: http://www.celebritytypes.com/enfj.php
  28. 12:01 AM - Galahaut: =P
  29. 12:01 AM - Galahaut: Biden: "[A fundamental] part of being a public servant [is] absorbing the anger of people who don't know where to turn."
  30.  
  31. Biden: "I ... have absolute faith in the heart of the American people. The greatest resource in this country is the grit, the resolve, the courage, the basic decency, and the stubborn pride of its citizens."
  32. 12:01 AM - Morinel: That site is sometimes accurate
  33. 12:01 AM - Morinel: I saw that but wasn't sure if I trusted it
  34. 12:01 AM - Galahaut: lol goebbels
  35. 12:01 AM - Galahaut: quick
  36. 12:01 AM - Galahaut: send this to fox news
  37. 12:02 AM - Galahaut: "BREAKING NEWS: JOE BIDEN, JOE GOEBBELS, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE?!"
  38. 12:02 AM - Morinel: LOL
  39. 12:02 AM - Morinel: Nice.
  40. 12:02 AM - Morinel: I like how the evil people are in black
  41. 12:03 AM - Galahaut: heh
  42. 12:03 AM - Morinel: So that football thing is definitely Se
  43. 12:03 AM - Morinel: Let's see what else I can find
  44. 12:03 AM - Morinel: Biden attended the University of Delaware in Newark, where he was more interested in sports and socializing than in studying,[10] although his classmates were impressed by his cramming abilities.
  45. 12:03 AM - Morinel: Sounds like Se + Fe
  46. 12:03 AM - Morinel: Cramming = Ni
  47. 12:04 AM - Morinel: (and Ti)
  48. 12:04 AM - Morinel: Biden said it was inadvertent due to his not knowing the proper rules of citation
  49. 12:04 AM - Morinel: This reeks of Se
  50. 12:05 AM - Morinel: Someone with Si likely wouldn't have that problem
  51. 12:05 AM - Galahaut: it reeks of US education
  52. 12:05 AM - Galahaut: but yes
  53. 12:05 AM - Galahaut: anyway
  54. 12:05 AM - Galahaut: afk sleep
  55. 12:05 AM - Morinel: Alright. I'll try to type Ryan next
  56. 12:05 AM - Galahaut: heh
  57. 12:06 AM - Galahaut: Ayn Rand - Atheism
  58. 12:06 AM - Galahaut: done.
  59. 12:06 AM - Morinel: what
  60. 12:07 AM - Morinel: Ryan attended St. Mary's Catholic School in Janesville, where he played on the seventh-grade basketball team.[16] He attended Joseph A. Craig High School in Janesville, where he was elected president of his junior class, and thus became prom king.[
  61. 12:07 AM - Morinel: Definitely E
  62. 12:07 AM - Morinel: And Se
  63. 12:07 AM - Morinel: So Exxx so far
  64. 12:07 AM - Morinel: He was on his high school's ski, track and varsity soccer teams and played basketball in a Catholic recreational league.
  65. 12:07 AM - Morinel: Se is probably his dominant or secondary function
  66. 12:07 AM - Morinel: The platitudes he uses are consistent with Ti...
  67. 12:07 AM - Morinel: Maybe Se + Ti
  68. 12:07 AM - Morinel: So possibly ESTP
  69. 12:08 AM - Morinel: Actually his Ti is probably lower (maybe inferior)
  70. 12:08 AM - Morinel: Maybe ESFP
  71. 12:08 AM - Morinel: no wait nevermind
  72. 12:10 AM - Morinel: I think that's it
  73. 12:10 AM - Morinel: Platitudes are also consistent with Fi
  74. 12:10 AM - Morinel: So Se + Fi + Te + Ni
  75. 12:11 AM - Morinel: Rand was an INTJ
  76. 12:11 AM - Morinel: Apparently
  77. 12:12 AM - Morinel: So that would explain why she inspired him
  78. 12:12 AM - Morinel: Because they have the same functions
  79. 12:12 AM - Morinel: "speech that same year at the Atlas Society, he said he grew up reading Rand, and that her books taught him about his value system and beliefs."
  80. Galahaut is now Away.
  81. 12:12 AM - Morinel: "Ryan required staffers and interns in his congressional office to read Rand[35] and gave copies of her novel Atlas Shrugged as gifts to his staff for Christmas."
  82. 12:12 AM - Morinel: Definitely Te
  83. 12:13 AM - Morinel: That's quite interesting
  84. 12:13 AM - Morinel: Biden is an ENFJ and Ryan is an ENFP
  85. 12:13 AM - Morinel: They're like arch enemies
  86. 12:13 AM - Morinel: (not really)
  87. 12:13 AM - Morinel: oh nevermind I mean ESFP
  88. 12:14 AM - Morinel: Biden = ENFJ, Ryan = ESFP
  89. 12:14 AM - Morinel: "What's unique about what's happening today in government, in the world, in America, is that it's as if we're living in an Ayn Rand novel right now. I think Ayn Rand did the best job of anybody to build a moral case of capitalism, and that morality of capitalism is under assault."
  90. 12:14 AM - Morinel: Oh my god this is definitely inferior Ni
  91. 12:14 AM - Morinel: (not seeing the real big picture and clinging to a delusion)
  92. 12:15 AM - Morinel: Okay maybe that judgement is harsh but still.
  93. 12:15 AM - Morinel: Ryan rejected Rand's philosophy as an atheistic one, saying it "reduces human interactions down to mere contracts."
  94. 12:15 AM - Morinel: Definitely Fi
  95. 12:15 AM - Morinel: Fi prefers to think of people as individuals
  96. 12:16 AM - Morinel: Ryan is not a Rand disciple, and that some of his proposals do not follow Rand's philosophy of limited government; Brook refers to Ryan as a "fiscal moderate."
  97. 12:16 AM - Morinel: Okay that makes sense
  98. 12:17 AM - Morinel: That was fun.
  99. 12:17 AM - Morinel: I need to type more people.
  100. 12:20 AM - Morinel: I hope you don't mind if I use you as a notepad.
  101. 12:20 AM - Morinel: Going to type Obama next
  102. 12:21 AM - Morinel: http://customersecrets.com/paul-ryan-the-warrior-vp-candidate/
  103. 12:21 AM - Morinel: This person agrees with me.
  104. 12:21 AM - Morinel: Some other people are saying ISTJ
  105. 12:22 AM - Morinel: I don't think Si + Ne makes sense though
  106. 12:26 AM - Morinel: "Ryan supports the Tea Party's belief in "individual rights, distrust of big government and an allegorical embrace of the Founding Fathers."
  107. 12:28 AM - Morinel: Clinto was supposedly an ESFP as well
  108. 12:28 AM - Morinel: Clinton*
  109. 12:29 AM - Morinel: I doubt that though
  110. 12:30 AM - Morinel: Maybe not... hm
  111. 12:31 AM - Morinel: http://www.celebritytypes.com/esfp.php
  112. 12:31 AM - Morinel: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/51/Paul_Ryan_official_portrait.jpg
  113. 12:31 AM - Morinel: They definitely have similar faces...
  114. 12:31 AM - Morinel: Especially the eyes
  115. 12:31 AM - Morinel: Look really closely.
  116. 12:32 AM - Morinel: And eyebrows
  117. 12:32 AM - Morinel: Oh god Bieber is an ESFP. I hate Ryan even more now.
  118. 12:34 AM - Morinel: Okay, Obama now.
  119. 12:34 AM - Morinel: "He described his struggles as a young adult to reconcile social perceptions of his multiracial heritage."
  120. 12:34 AM - Morinel: Fe.
  121. 12:34 AM - Morinel: No doubt about it.
  122. 12:35 AM - Morinel: "The opportunity that Hawaii offered—to experience a variety of cultures in a climate of mutual respect—became an integral part of my world view, and a basis for the values that I hold most dear."
  123. 12:35 AM - Morinel: Ne.
  124. 12:35 AM - Morinel: And possibly Si
  125. 12:35 AM - Morinel: (well definitely Si if it's Ne)
  126. 12:35 AM - Morinel: Obama has also written and talked about using alcohol, marijuana, and cocaine during his teenage years to "push questions of who I was out of my mind"
  127. 12:35 AM - Morinel: Definitely Ne + Ti
  128. 12:35 AM - Morinel: I'm thinking ENTP
  129. 12:36 AM - Morinel: (that's Ne + Ti + Fe + Si)
  130. 12:36 AM - Morinel: "Obama expressed regret for his high-school drug use."
  131. 12:36 AM - Morinel: Si + Fe
  132. 12:36 AM - Morinel: Definitely.
  133. 12:38 AM - Morinel: "I've got relatives who look like Bernie Mac, and I've got relatives who look like Margaret Thatcher."
  134. 12:38 AM - Morinel: Si.
  135. 12:38 AM - Morinel: Attention to details.
  136. 12:39 AM - Morinel: Inferior Si would also explain why he likes basketball to some extent.
  137. 12:40 AM - Morinel: "I am a Christian, and I am a devout Christian. I believe in the redemptive death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I believe that that faith gives me a path to be cleansed of sin and have eternal life."
  138. 12:40 AM - Morinel: Inferior Si.
  139. 12:40 AM - Morinel: http://www.celebritytypes.com/entp.php
  140. 12:40 AM - Morinel: This agrees with me.
  141. 12:40 AM - Morinel: "[As an adolescent I was] arguing all the time, usually about me failing to abide by ... petty and arbitrary rules. I found that I could generally win these arguments."
  142. 12:40 AM - Morinel: Ne.
  143. 12:41 AM - Morinel: "There are some things about being president that I still have difficulty doing. For example, faking emotion. Because I feel it is an insult to the people I'm dealing with."
  144. 12:41 AM - Morinel: Haha, definitely tertiary Fe
  145. 12:41 AM - Morinel: Also the eyes thing again
  146. 12:41 AM - Morinel: ENTPs are so cool.
  147. 12:42 AM - Morinel: And finally, Romney.
  148. 12:43 AM - Morinel: Not particularly athletic, he also did not distinguish himself academically.
  149. 12:43 AM - Morinel: hm...
  150. 12:43 AM - Morinel: At Cranbrook, Romney helped manage the ice hockey team, and he joined the pep squad.[18] During his senior year, he joined the cross country running team.[14] He belonged to eleven school organizations and school clubs overall, including the Blue Key Club, a booster group he had started.
  151. 12:44 AM - Morinel: Sounds like Se
  152. 12:44 AM - Morinel: Possibly inferior or tertiary because he wasn't athletic earlier in life
  153. 12:44 AM - Morinel: Makes sense once that develops he may take up sports
  154. 12:45 AM - Morinel: Romney became involved in several pranks while attending Cranbrook.
  155. 12:45 AM - Morinel: Rebellious Fi maybe?
  156. 12:45 AM - Morinel: Inferior Fi
  157. 12:45 AM - Morinel: I'm thinking ENTJ
  158. 12:45 AM - Morinel: (Te + Ni + Se + Fi)
  159. 12:46 AM - Morinel: Despite increasing radicalization on campus with the beginnings of 1960s social and political movements, he kept a well-groomed appearance.
  160. 12:46 AM - Morinel: Sounds very Se like
  161. 12:46 AM - Morinel: Maybe Te professionalism too
  162. 12:48 AM - Morinel: He initially became demoralized and later recalled it as the only time when "most of what I was trying to do was rejected."
  163. 12:48 AM - Morinel: Sounds like Te
  164. 12:48 AM - Morinel: "Most individual Mormon missionaries do not gain many converts[nb 4] and Romney was no exception:[32] he later estimated ten to twenty for his entire mission.[37][nb 5] He initially became demoralized and later recalled it as the only time when "most of what I was trying to do was rejected."
  165. 12:48 AM - Morinel: there's the full quote
  166. 12:49 AM - Morinel: He soon gained recognition within the mission for the many homes he called on and the repeat visits he was granted.[10] He was promoted to zone leader in Bordeaux in early 1968, and soon thereafter became assistant to the mission president in Paris.
  167. 12:49 AM - Morinel: Definitely Te
  168. 12:49 AM - Morinel: At the Mission Home, he enjoyed far more comfortable accommodations than he previously had elsewhere in the country.
  169. 12:49 AM - Morinel: Se. :P
  170. 12:50 AM - Morinel: The business career jives with ENTJs
  171. 12:50 AM - Morinel: weird.
  172. 12:50 AM - Morinel: http://www.celebritytypes.com/istj.php
  173. 12:50 AM - Morinel: ISTJ, really?
  174. 12:51 AM - Morinel: No fucking way.
  175. 12:51 AM - Morinel: That makes no sense
  176. 12:51 AM - Morinel: They share Fi and Te...
  177. 12:53 AM - Morinel: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-melcher/entj-romney-vs-enfj-obama_b_1891074.html
  178. 12:53 AM - Morinel: LOL at ENFJ Obama
  179. 12:55 AM - Morinel: He has Ne, not Ni
  180. Galahaut is now Online.
  181. 12:57 AM - Morinel: Well I hope you enjoyed all of that
  182. 12:58 AM - Morinel: To recap, Biden = ENFJ, Ryan = ESFP, Obama = ENTP, Romney = ENTJ
  183. 12:59 AM - Morinel: btw your "Ayn Rand - Atheism" was pretty accurate
  184. 1:00 AM - Morinel: Makes sense because he has inferior Ni while Rand has dominant Ni
  185. 1:00 AM - Morinel: Also Fi is very spiritual
  186. 1:00 AM - Morinel: It's aux for him instead of tertiary for Rand
  187. 1:25 AM - Morinel: I changed my mind about Romney
  188. 1:26 AM - Morinel: "Data-driven, Romney often played the role of a devil's advocate during exhaustive analysis of whether to go forward with a deal."
  189. 1:26 AM - Morinel: That's Ne + Si
  190. 1:26 AM - Morinel: So... ESTJ
  191. 1:26 AM - Morinel: Still inferior Fi so that makes more sense.
  192. 1:26 AM - Morinel: I had a funny feeling he wasn't an N.
  193. 1:27 AM - Morinel: So finally... Biden = ENFJ, Ryan = ESFP, Obama = ENTP, Romney = ESTJ