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- Hi everyone! I'm making these lists purely based on the posts in this thread. This post aims to provide easy discussion points regarding targets, checks, and counters.
- CAP23 should target and dismantle:
- Defensive pivots/walls (e.g. doesn't use VoltTurn): Tomohawk, Toxapex, Tangrowth, Arghonaut, Pyroak, Mollux, Clefable, Celesteela, Ferrothorn, Mega Venusaur, Zapdos, Chansey
- CAP23 should target and pressure:
- VoltTurn pivots: Landorus-T, Magearna, Rotom-W, Krilowatt
- Calm Mind Naviathan, Excadrill
- CAP23 should be checked by:
- Offensive Steel-types: Kitsunoh, Dragon Dance Naviathan, Mega Mawile, Mega Scizor, Bisharp
- Dragon-types: Cyclohm, Dragonite, Zygarde, Hydreigon, Mega Charizard-X, Latios
- Ghost-types: Revenankh, Chandelure, Mimikyu, Kitsunoh, Gengar
- Ice-types: Syclant, Kyurem-B, Ninetales-A, Mamoswine
- Dark-types: Ash-Greninja, Greninja, Colossoil, Mega Sableye, Mega Sharpedo, Mega Gyarados, Malaconda
- Fairy-types: Tapu Lele, Kerfluffle, Mega Diancie, Mega Gardevoir, Azumarill
- CAP23 should be countered by:
- Skarmory
- Of course, this list may look lacking, weird, or otherwise wrong, but that's why I'm posting it now. Please describe what changes need to occur with this list. During this CAP, the pokemon in the "target and dismantle" portion of the targeting section should receive more weight during future discussions of the project; whereas "target and pressure" will receive less weight.
- Off the bat, I see lots of checks but only one counter. Additionally, I see more "target and dismantle" than "target and pressure." If Pokemon need to be added, removed, or moved from one section to another, please describe why.
- Additionally, I've wondered when Normal-types are said to rise up due to CAP23's presence. I would like to hear which specific Normal-type Pokemon that would rise and why they would.
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