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  1. [ 2012.10.13 21:00:18 ] James 315 > Ba'Ba you didn't answer my question. Do you support or oppose the New Order?
  2. [ 2012.10.13 21:00:21 ] Ba'Ba > You want rewards, you want risk, go to low, or null sec.
  3. [ 2012.10.13 21:00:41 ] Faye Alexandra > and there it is. the risk/reward ratio is out of whack between high/low/null
  4. [ 2012.10.13 21:00:50 ] Ba'Ba > So what?
  5. [ 2012.10.13 21:01:17 ] Ba'Ba > The rewards are MUCH greater in low, but the risk is higher. It's not out of wack at all.
  6. [ 2012.10.13 21:01:37 ] Ba'Ba > You have no argument Faye.
  7. [ 2012.10.13 21:01:43 ] Faye Alexandra > sure. the rewards dont warrent the risk, else we would all be there rather than here
  8. [ 2012.10.13 21:01:54 ] Ba'Ba > That's the point...
  9. [ 2012.10.13 21:02:12 ] HxChippiewill > I think it's less that and more that most people don't want to put the work in to mitigate the risk
  10. [ 2012.10.13 21:02:12 ] Faye Alexandra > so one could either say either the rewards are too high in highsec, or the risk is too low
  11. [ 2012.10.13 21:02:13 ] Ba'Ba > So, you want danger, you want dark and sinister, why are you here?
  12. [ 2012.10.13 21:02:17 ] James 315 > Ba'Ba i would hate to see you lose your protected status for no reason
  13. [ 2012.10.13 21:02:24 ] James 315 > I suggest you respond to my question.
  14. [ 2012.10.13 21:02:33 ] MasterTheHut > he/she submits james, doesnt oppose or support, just looks down at his/her feet and oveys
  15. [ 2012.10.13 21:02:36 ] Ba'Ba > James, if you start bumping me again, then your code is void.
  16. [ 2012.10.13 21:02:54 ] Faye Alexandra > i'm here because this is where the best money is, like everyone else. there's problems, but i'm not stupid
  17. [ 2012.10.13 21:02:57 ] MasterTheHut > obeys*
  18. [ 2012.10.13 21:03:10 ] James 315 > Ba'Ba as you know, the Code allows miners to forfeit their protected status if they commit serious offenses
  19. [ 2012.10.13 21:03:12 ] Faye Alexandra > i at least recognize the problems
  20. [ 2012.10.13 21:03:13 ] Ba'Ba > Master explained exactly what I am doing. There is no opposing.
  21. [ 2012.10.13 21:03:27 ] Ba'Ba > So talking is a serious offense?
  22. [ 2012.10.13 21:03:33 ] James 315 > Ba'Ba i would like you to say that you support the New Order, is all
  23. [ 2012.10.13 21:03:36 ] Ba'Ba > You don't eve know the problems Faye
  24. [ 2012.10.13 21:04:36 ] Faye Alexandra > alright whatever you say pal
  25. [ 2012.10.13 21:04:41 ] Pfoertner > what's going on? some kind of fascism?
  26. [ 2012.10.13 21:04:52 ] James 315 > Ba'Ba some of what you are saying is troubling me
  27. [ 2012.10.13 21:06:06 ] Catalyst1011 > i agree the risk reward is skewed, i dont think highsec needs to be changed though
  28. [ 2012.10.13 21:06:24 ] Faye Alexandra > what if they simply increase low/null rewards?
  29. [ 2012.10.13 21:06:34 ] Faye Alexandra > hisec neednt change
  30. [ 2012.10.13 21:06:34 ] Ba'Ba > Why is it skewed?
  31. [ 2012.10.13 21:06:39 ] Catalyst1011 > the rewards for operating in nul should go up
  32. [ 2012.10.13 21:06:47 ] Ba'Ba > See that's the problem Faye
  33. [ 2012.10.13 21:06:54 ] Ba'Ba > You don't even understand what you're saying
  34. [ 2012.10.13 21:07:08 ] Ba'Ba > The rewards are MUCH greater in low and null.
  35. [ 2012.10.13 21:07:20 ] Faye Alexandra > but not enough to warrent the risk. clearly.
  36. [ 2012.10.13 21:07:21 ] Catalyst1011 > not for miners they arent
  37. [ 2012.10.13 21:07:22 ] James 315 > Ba'Ba that's the second time you ignored one of my questions. Is that intentional?
  38. [ 2012.10.13 21:07:43 ] Ba'Ba > James, I'm not responding because nothing is directed towards you.
  39. [ 2012.10.13 21:07:52 ] Faye Alexandra > people should be looking at low/null and going "man i can't wait to get out there" rather than "yeah, it's not worth it"
  40. [ 2012.10.13 21:07:57 ] James 315 > Ba'Ba i assumed you support the New Order when you made your payment. Do you?
  41. [ 2012.10.13 21:08:00 ] Ba'Ba > You're interupting a conversation.
  42. [ 2012.10.13 21:08:02 ] Catalyst1011 > if you run plex, missions, kill rats then yes nul is good
  43. [ 2012.10.13 21:08:12 ] James 315 > Ba'Ba THIS IS the conversation
  44. [ 2012.10.13 21:08:27 ] Ba'Ba > No, it's clearly not, I was talkign to faye and you butted in, that's rude.
  45. [ 2012.10.13 21:08:41 ] Faye Alexandra > james is the one who can bump you.. i mean i can try but i'm quite slow
  46. [ 2012.10.13 21:08:44 ] Catalyst1011 > i set up a large tower in npc nul
  47. [ 2012.10.13 21:08:48 ] James 315 > Ba'Ba Halaima local is a public channel for all, including (and especially) the Supreme Protector of Halaima
  48. [ 2012.10.13 21:08:49 ] Catalyst1011 > took my entire fleet there
  49. [ 2012.10.13 21:08:50 ] HxChippiewill > What's rude is ignoring the supreme protector
  50. [ 2012.10.13 21:09:07 ] Catalyst1011 > bought a jump freighter, a rorqual
  51. [ 2012.10.13 21:09:12 ] Ba'Ba > I've already told you I have submitted to your ways.
  52. [ 2012.10.13 21:09:20 ] Ba'Ba > You choose that as not a good enough answer.
  53. [ 2012.10.13 21:09:20 ] Catalyst1011 > and while the mining was high (before the barge changes) it paid for itself
  54. [ 2012.10.13 21:09:24 ] Catalyst1011 > and i made some good isk
  55. [ 2012.10.13 21:09:24 ] Ba'Ba > Fine, but that's the case.
  56. [ 2012.10.13 21:09:39 ] James 315 > Ba'Ba you've submitted, but do you actually SUPPORT what we do? Do you AGREE with it?
  57. [ 2012.10.13 21:09:43 ] Ba'Ba > You want to continue to bump me after that, then you are throwing your code out of the window for simply someone talking.
  58. [ 2012.10.13 21:09:56 ] Ba'Ba > If you consider that a serious offense, then how can I look up to you?
  59. [ 2012.10.13 21:10:13 ] Catalyst1011 > unfortunate side effect of the barge changes is that mineral and ice prices have tanked again
  60. [ 2012.10.13 21:10:21 ] Catalyst1011 > so mining in nul is pointless
  61. [ 2012.10.13 21:10:25 ] James 315 > Ba'Ba I am looking for a straight answer, as to whether or not you support and agree with what we're doing
  62. [ 2012.10.13 21:11:37 ] James 315 > Wow, that silence is ominous.
  63. [ 2012.10.13 21:12:20 ] Catalyst1011 > i ended up taking down my tower, mothballing the whole thing and coming back to highsec
  64. [ 2012.10.13 21:12:40 ] Ba'Ba > No, just looking over the code once more because I haven't done so in quite some time, have actually been playing this game while my miner mines.
  65. [ 2012.10.13 21:12:58 ] Ba'Ba > No where in your code does it say that paying means you have to or that you do support the code. You pay for indulgences.
  66. [ 2012.10.13 21:13:06 ] Catalyst1011 > lost a mackinaw while i was down there, even with a good set up and procedures, it's just too dangerous for the rewards...
  67. [ 2012.10.13 21:13:08 ] Ba'Ba > I've done so.
  68. [ 2012.10.13 21:13:09 ] Faye Alexandra > at least you gave it a shot, catalyst
  69. [ 2012.10.13 21:13:32 ] James 315 > Ba'Ba let me put it another way: Do you think other miners should pay for mining indulgences?
  70. [ 2012.10.13 21:13:33 ] Ba'Ba > Catalyst, because low and null sec are group efforts
  71. [ 2012.10.13 21:13:51 ] Ba'Ba > Do I think they should? Why? Tell me why they should
  72. [ 2012.10.13 21:14:19 ] Catalyst1011 > indeed they are, nul is not a place to solo indy :)
  73. [ 2012.10.13 21:14:25 ] Catalyst1011 > i had my alliance there as well
  74. [ 2012.10.13 21:14:48 ] Catalyst1011 > but the rewards are not high enough to mine and pay for someones time, or have pvp ships ready there
  75. [ 2012.10.13 21:14:50 ] James 315 > Ba'Ba do I need to explain why miners should follow the Code?
  76. [ 2012.10.13 21:15:03 ] Catalyst1011 > so it comes back to not enough reward for mining in nul
  77. [ 2012.10.13 21:15:21 ] Catalyst1011 > lowsec might not be as bad but it's usually busier as you cant bubble...
  78. [ 2012.10.13 21:15:39 ] Catalyst1011 > guess i could always fit warp core stabs in the lows lol
  79. [ 2012.10.13 21:15:41 ] Faye Alexandra > yeah more traffic = more risk
  80. [ 2012.10.13 21:16:24 ] Catalyst1011 > in lowsec yes, and the rewards are worse than nul
  81. [ 2012.10.13 21:16:34 ] Ba'Ba > I've read your code, I've read your manifestos, none of it explains why we should pay you. The economy thrives off of us. You have never explained how we hurt the game accept that you don't like that we get to sit here and make money.
  82. [ 2012.10.13 21:16:43 ] Ba'Ba > You tell us that we are wasting our lives and you're doing it for our sake
  83. [ 2012.10.13 21:16:47 ] Ba'Ba > But why should you care?
  84. [ 2012.10.13 21:16:48 ] Catalyst1011 > the barge changes are good i think, and with the large hold comes a lot of afk so prices drop...
  85. [ 2012.10.13 21:17:06 ] Ba'Ba > As I've stated many times I'm playing my fighter as well, before I got into this conversationt hat you won't let me out of.
  86. [ 2012.10.13 21:17:10 ] Ba'Ba > So I am playing this game
  87. [ 2012.10.13 21:17:14 ] Ba'Ba > I'm running missions
  88. [ 2012.10.13 21:17:29 ] Ba'Ba > My miner is training R&D and doing what it is supposed to be doing.
  89. [ 2012.10.13 21:17:43 ] Ba'Ba > So why should we pay you? Other than not to be bumped, which I have done.
  90. [ 2012.10.13 21:18:00 ] Catalyst1011 > ooh you just reminded me, BPOs coming out of research later... cheers!
  91. [ 2012.10.13 21:18:07 ] Ba'Ba > lol
  92. [ 2012.10.13 21:18:45 ] Catalyst1011 > im still learning the whole ME / PE thing
  93. [ 2012.10.13 21:18:51 ] Ba'Ba > Same.
  94. [ 2012.10.13 21:18:57 ] Catalyst1011 > as in how high you need to go to get best results on each different BPO
  95. [ 2012.10.13 21:19:01 ] James 315 > Ba'Ba do you recommend to your miner friends that they pay up and join the New Order?
  96. [ 2012.10.13 21:19:21 ] Catalyst1011 > shame i invested so much in medium cargohold optimization BPOs lol barge changes kind of nerfed that market rofl
  97. [ 2012.10.13 21:20:04 ] Ba'Ba > I don't recommend they join, but my nephew is training a mner right now, I will pay for him or tell him to pay as well when he gets to that point. Just to keep you off their backs. It's not a matter of "joining" it's a matter of staying in the game an
  98. [ 2012.10.13 21:20:08 ] Ba'Ba > and enjoying it.
  99. [ 2012.10.13 21:20:15 ] Ba'Ba > Because as you have said 10m isn't squat.
  100. [ 2012.10.13 21:20:23 ] Ba'Ba > But you still didn't answer MY question.
  101. [ 2012.10.13 21:20:43 ] James 315 > Ba'Ba i'm glad to hear you will encourage or sponsor your nephew, that does make me feel a bit better about you
  102. [ 2012.10.13 21:21:34 ] James 315 > What question?
  103. [ 2012.10.13 21:21:45 ] Ba'Ba > Why should we pay you? What do you offer in regards to bettering our gameplay, from what I have seen, nothing. You only make our gameplay worse if we don't pay you.
  104. [ 2012.10.13 21:22:07 ] James 315 > Have you read this article? http://www.minerbumping.com/2012/08/why-paying-mining-fee-benefits-miners.html
  105. [ 2012.10.13 21:22:38 ] Faye Alexandra > maybe he was looking for the philosophical reasons?
  106. [ 2012.10.13 21:22:56 ] Faye Alexandra > yeah like that link
  107. [ 2012.10.13 21:23:31 ] Ba'Ba > See here is the problem with that. You're dictating what people do and do not enjoy
  108. [ 2012.10.13 21:23:40 ] Ba'Ba > From the first day I've ran into you, I've never been AFK.
  109. [ 2012.10.13 21:23:47 ] Ba'Ba > Always at my keyboard when playing this game
  110. [ 2012.10.13 21:23:52 ] Ba'Ba > Never have not responded.
  111. [ 2012.10.13 21:24:09 ] HxChippiewill > Yet you do not appear to respect the code?
  112. [ 2012.10.13 21:24:20 ] Ba'Ba > If I have been late it's beacause I'm running two monitors and two clients playing two games at once.
  113. [ 2012.10.13 21:24:20 ] Pfoertner > the only reason i do fucking ice minig
  114. [ 2012.10.13 21:24:40 ] Faye Alexandra > I think it's working th ough, because the whole point is to keep us active and engaged in this game
  115. [ 2012.10.13 21:24:46 ] Ba'Ba > So your argument that we all are AFK mindless zombies don't apply to everyone.
  116. [ 2012.10.13 21:24:53 ] Ba'Ba > So those that do respond, shouldn't have to pay.
  117. [ 2012.10.13 21:25:21 ] Ba'Ba > If you want to make a difference, don't punish the people that DO play the game
  118. [ 2012.10.13 21:25:22 ] James 315 > Ba'Ba yes but as I state in the article, paying the mining fee is liberating for miners
  119. [ 2012.10.13 21:25:41 ] Ba'Ba > It's only liberating because you impose a punishment if we don't
  120. [ 2012.10.13 21:25:46 ] James 315 > They can prove they control their isk and not the other way around
  121. [ 2012.10.13 21:25:55 ] Ba'Ba > I do control my isk
  122. [ 2012.10.13 21:25:57 ] James 315 > It also acts as a tax or user free to the legitimate government of highsec
  123. [ 2012.10.13 21:26:17 ] Ba'Ba > So we're getting back to that then.
  124. [ 2012.10.13 21:26:43 ] James 315 > It's absolutely critical that everyone in highsec joins the New Order, and giving 10 million isk is a small but significant way of showing loyalty
  125. [ 2012.10.13 21:26:57 ] Ba'Ba > You have picked up a stick, and decided to hit people that don't follow. You have taken money from people that laugh at that sort of thing, and continue to hit people that are just playing the game.
  126. [ 2012.10.13 21:27:13 ] Ba'Ba > It's not loyalty.
  127. [ 2012.10.13 21:27:24 ] James 315 > Ba'Ba wouldn't you agree that your experience has been improved since you made your 30m payment to Steve?
  128. [ 2012.10.13 21:27:41 ] Ba'Ba > James, how many times do I have to explain this to you.
  129. [ 2012.10.13 21:28:00 ] Ba'Ba > My experience wasn't bad, until you showed up and imposed your threats of bumping to stop my gameplay.
  130. [ 2012.10.13 21:28:19 ] Bing Bangboom > Hail the New Order of Highsec....
  131. [ 2012.10.13 21:28:28 ] Ba'Ba > If you weren't doing this there wouldn't have been any change. Does that not make sense?
  132. [ 2012.10.13 21:28:33 ] James 315 > Ba'Ba perhaps you didn't realize it was bad? Just sitting around mining with no purpose certainly isn't good
  133. [ 2012.10.13 21:28:41 ] Ba'Ba > There is a purpose.
  134. [ 2012.10.13 21:29:01 ] Ba'Ba > It supports my fighter, it keeps this character doing something while training skills to make it do it's job I made it for.
  135. [ 2012.10.13 21:29:13 ] kirof > if no one pay them they stop doing bumpig or they just do it for fun and dont care of isk
  136. [ 2012.10.13 21:29:40 ] James 315 > yes, but people fight, mine, whatever...and then go away. The New Order enables them to support something bigger than themselves
  137. [ 2012.10.13 21:29:41 ] Ba'Ba > See, you tell me I had no purpose, that I was a mindless zombie, but yet, you don't know me.
  138. [ 2012.10.13 21:29:51 ] Ba'Ba > You probably don't know half of the people you impose your rules on.
  139. [ 2012.10.13 21:30:12 ] Ba'Ba > It supports you... It makes you money. It does us no good.
  140. [ 2012.10.13 21:30:17 ] James 315 > Ba'Ba i know all i need to know about highsec miners. They're all the same.
  141. [ 2012.10.13 21:30:23 ] Ba'Ba > Well except to keep you off our backs
  142. [ 2012.10.13 21:30:32 ] Ba'Ba > but if you weren't doing it then we wouldn't need the new order.
  143. [ 2012.10.13 21:30:37 ] Pfoertner > damn this is funny.. maybe i should mine here more often to enjoy the insanity
  144. [ 2012.10.13 21:30:39 ] Ba'Ba > Hell you even tell us we have to respect gankers
  145. [ 2012.10.13 21:30:45 ] Ba'Ba > you don't even offer protection.
  146. [ 2012.10.13 21:30:48 ] James 315 > Yes, of course, gankers are a part of EVE
  147. [ 2012.10.13 21:30:55 ] Ba'Ba > This is why I don't understand your logic.
  148. [ 2012.10.13 21:31:05 ] Ba'Ba > We are paying you because you tell us to or you cause us trouble.
  149. [ 2012.10.13 21:31:10 ] Ba'Ba > You offer nothing else.
  150. [ 2012.10.13 21:31:18 ] Ba'Ba > I understand gankers are a part of EVE
  151. [ 2012.10.13 21:31:22 ] Ba'Ba > I know what this game is.
  152. [ 2012.10.13 21:31:28 ] Ba'Ba > I lost 300m the other day to them
  153. [ 2012.10.13 21:31:32 ] Ba'Ba > I didn't even bitch and moan.
  154. [ 2012.10.13 21:31:41 ] Ba'Ba > I said "That's eve!" and went on and continued.
  155. [ 2012.10.13 21:31:52 ] MasterTheHut > meeksheep did ever occur to you that some people (such as myself) like to do this kind of thing just for the hell of it? that we dont care?
  156. [ 2012.10.13 21:31:56 ] James 315 > Ba'Ba i'm surprised you still don't understand the paradise we are creating. How can you look at the New Order and not say "Yes, THIS is what we've been waiting for"?
  157. [ 2012.10.13 21:32:27 ] kirof > tere nothing to understand about there logic they just do that for fun and laught if some one pay them
  158. [ 2012.10.13 21:32:56 ] Ba'Ba > I don't know how I can explain to you anymore than I already have, James. I've been respectful to you, I've talked to you like an adult. I've told you many times that you don't offer us anything except protection from yourself. So what's the point?
  159. [ 2012.10.13 21:33:09 ] Ba'Ba > Why should I say "This is what I've been watiing for!"
  160. [ 2012.10.13 21:33:30 ] James 315 > Imagine a highsec completely ruled by the New Order, with all miners strictly obeying the Code. Doesn't that sound good and right to you?
  161. [ 2012.10.13 21:33:55 ] Ba'Ba > You're talking in circles now.
  162. [ 2012.10.13 21:34:20 ] James 315 > I guess it comes down to whether you view the Code as a good thing or a bad thing
  163. [ 2012.10.13 21:34:30 ] Ba'Ba > I view it as neither.
  164. [ 2012.10.13 21:34:38 ] James 315 > That's weird
  165. [ 2012.10.13 21:34:39 ] Ba'Ba > Because it doesn't NEED to exist is my point.
  166. [ 2012.10.13 21:34:49 ] Pfoertner > it is just a method of protection money
  167. [ 2012.10.13 21:35:00 ] MasterTheHut > you seen to see it as bad but wont do anything abt it Ba'Ba
  168. [ 2012.10.13 21:35:01 ] James 315 > Ba'Ba Without the Code how would miners know how to behave?
  169. [ 2012.10.13 21:35:03 ] HxChippiewill > The code invokes empathy within hisec miners, and empathy is always a good thing
  170. [ 2012.10.13 21:35:07 ] Ba'Ba > If you offered more to those who support it. Maybe I would see it as a good thing, if you started ganking tomorrow, I would see it as a bad thing.
  171. [ 2012.10.13 21:35:13 ] Ba'Ba > Do you see my point?
  172. [ 2012.10.13 21:35:29 ] Ba'Ba > It is neither good nor bad. It is what it is, we pay you to keep you away from us.
  173. [ 2012.10.13 21:35:35 ] James 315 > Ba'Ba i wish I could say I saw your point, but I don't. You are mystifying me
  174. [ 2012.10.13 21:35:48 ] MasterTheHut > Ba'Ba you could just.... leave
  175. [ 2012.10.13 21:35:56 ] Ba'Ba > As are you with me, James. Because you never tell me what you offer.
  176. [ 2012.10.13 21:36:02 ] James 315 > How does someone express neutrality toward the Code? You either support it, or oppose it
  177. [ 2012.10.13 21:36:10 ] Ba'Ba > You tell me the New Order is a good thing, but what do you provide?
  178. [ 2012.10.13 21:36:19 ] Ba'Ba > No, it's not that simple.
  179. [ 2012.10.13 21:36:21 ] James 315 > Leadership, guidance, community, dignity, purpose, shall I go on?
  180. [ 2012.10.13 21:36:42 ] Ba'Ba > You've said all of those things, and I've told you why all of those things don't apply here.
  181. [ 2012.10.13 21:36:59 ] James 315 > How so? Without the Code, where is the leadership of highsec? Where is the law and order?
  182. [ 2012.10.13 21:37:06 ] Ba'Ba > Paying you, to keep you away from me, is humiliation. Not dignity.
  183. [ 2012.10.13 21:37:17 ] James 315 > Ba'Ba it surprises me to hear you say that
  184. [ 2012.10.13 21:37:21 ] Ba'Ba > Guidance, you don't guide me, what-so-ever, you haven't taught me how to play this game.
  185. [ 2012.10.13 21:37:32 ] MasterTheHut > and yet you submit to it Ba'Ba
  186. [ 2012.10.13 21:37:54 ] James 315 > Without the Code, how would you know how to be a proper miner? And how would you know whom to obey without the New Order?
  187. [ 2012.10.13 21:37:56 ] Ash Danzi > tell him to suck it
  188. [ 2012.10.13 21:37:56 ] MasterTheHut > that and yall type way too dam,n fast
  189. [ 2012.10.13 21:38:01 ] Ba'Ba > There is a fine community, miners talk quite often, yes you seem to be the subject lately, and it's often a subject of hate, but can you blame most of them? I've swayed away from that, focused on my fighter.
  190. [ 2012.10.13 21:38:18 ] HxChippiewill > Ba'Ba the code teaches respect of other Hi-sec residents, to put their issues into persepective. Surely that's a good thing, developing an understanding of hi-sec can only be good.
  191. [ 2012.10.13 21:38:29 ] MasterTheHut > your fighter.... is it a pirate?
  192. [ 2012.10.13 21:38:30 ] Ba'Ba > So why are you not respecting me?
  193. [ 2012.10.13 21:38:32 ] Ash Danzi > lol ba'ba i would just put them on ignore lol
  194. [ 2012.10.13 21:38:33 ] James 315 > Ba'Ba there is no community among AFK miners. You can't have community when no one is there
  195. [ 2012.10.13 21:38:47 ] Ba'Ba > I've already told you not all of us are AFK
  196. [ 2012.10.13 21:38:48 ] Ash Danzi > orbit the rocks
  197. [ 2012.10.13 21:38:59 ] Ash Danzi > makes it hard for them to play their bumping games lol
  198. [ 2012.10.13 21:39:07 ] James 315 > Ba'Ba do you remember when you filed a petition against me?
  199. [ 2012.10.13 21:39:11 ] Ash Danzi > then they get mad and go to another system
  200. [ 2012.10.13 21:39:12 ] Ba'Ba > Ash, that isn't the point. He's not bumping me, I've payed. Orbiting does nothing except to his terribad bumbers.
  201. [ 2012.10.13 21:39:13 ] HxChippiewill > Ba'Ba , miners are not respected as miners do not respect others. In order to gain respect sometimes you must be the one to build the bridge. The code only pushes you through the door.
  202. [ 2012.10.13 21:39:47 ] Ba'Ba > Not true, I respect others, as I don't go around pushing them around asking for money. I respect others as I talk to them as adults.
  203. [ 2012.10.13 21:40:02 ] James 315 > Ba'Ba when you petitioned me, you set yourself as an enemy to the New Order. Then, when you paid your 30 million, you were embraced by our community
  204. [ 2012.10.13 21:40:03 ] Ba'Ba > For you to come in here and demand money or punishment you don't teach respect
  205. [ 2012.10.13 21:40:05 ] HxChippiewill > Miners have built themselves a bad reputation, James 315, the saviouir of hisec, is helping Hi-sec miners to both display and gain respect from others
  206. [ 2012.10.13 21:40:07 ] James 315 > Don't you respect our forgiveness?
  207. [ 2012.10.13 21:40:17 ] Ash Danzi > lmfao
  208. [ 2012.10.13 21:40:22 ] Ba'Ba > James...
  209. [ 2012.10.13 21:40:23 ] Ash Danzi > i would pay a merc to blow them up
  210. [ 2012.10.13 21:40:32 ] Ash Danzi > and dont ever pay a ransom like these idiots want
  211. [ 2012.10.13 21:40:34 ] Ba'Ba > I've told you, I'm neutral.
  212. [ 2012.10.13 21:40:35 ] Ash Danzi > tell them to suck it
  213. [ 2012.10.13 21:40:58 ] James 315 > Ba'Ba you must admit you were impressed when we took you into the fold with open arms, even after you had wronged us
  214. [ 2012.10.13 21:41:08 ] MasterTheHut > Ash Danzi no balls
  215. [ 2012.10.13 21:41:10 ] Ba'Ba > Why must I admit that?
  216. [ 2012.10.13 21:41:19 ] James 315 > Because what other community in EVE does that?
  217. [ 2012.10.13 21:41:26 ] Ba'Ba > I haven't seen that.
  218. [ 2012.10.13 21:41:28 ] HxChippiewill > Ba'Ba the new order is helping hisec miners give and gain respect from other residents of hisec, surely the overall image boost to all miners is of some benefit to yourself?
  219. [ 2012.10.13 21:41:30 ] Ash Danzi > lol they are just a bunch of rp'ing fairy boy nancies
  220. [ 2012.10.13 21:41:36 ] Ba'Ba > I've seen the other miners pay you and forget about it.
  221. [ 2012.10.13 21:41:54 ] James 315 > Ba'Ba it's easier to keep track of that when miners put loyalty pledges in their bios though
  222. [ 2012.10.13 21:42:05 ] Ba'Ba > Okay?
  223. [ 2012.10.13 21:42:49 ] James 315 > I am baffled by this idea of neutrality toward the New Order, though
  224. [ 2012.10.13 21:42:53 ] Ba'Ba > Your Code doesn't tell me I have to pledge loyalty unless I want to be a bumper, it says I have to pay for indulgences, I've done so. I am indifferent to your workings because it isn't needed. So you play this game how you want, after all it is eve.
  225. [ 2012.10.13 21:43:03 ] Ba'Ba > When 365 days are up and I have to pay you another 10m
  226. [ 2012.10.13 21:43:04 ] Ba'Ba > I will
  227. [ 2012.10.13 21:43:34 ] James 315 > Ba'Ba as you know, those provisions are emanations of the spirit of the Code; they elucidate it, they do not limit it
  228. [ 2012.10.13 21:43:54 ] James 315 > So if something else is required to keep things within the spirit of the Code, we do that regardless of whether it is enumerated
  229. [ 2012.10.13 21:44:06 ] Talon Kashuken > James 315 at your old triks again
  230. [ 2012.10.13 21:44:24 ] Ba'Ba > But, I've made no serious offenses against the order, your clause for forfeit. I've not talked bad about it, I've asked why. I've not attacked any of your agents out right. So if you forfeit me, you forfeit your code.
  231. [ 2012.10.13 21:44:52 ] James 315 > Ba'Ba that's what I'm struggling with at the moment, trying to figure out exactly where you stand in relation to the Code
  232. [ 2012.10.13 21:44:59 ] James 315 > There are some good things, but also some bad things you've done
  233. [ 2012.10.13 21:45:03 ] Ba'Ba > I've told you several times, James.
  234. [ 2012.10.13 21:45:42 ] Ba'Ba > I've done nothing bad. I've asked why, if you won't allow to ask why, then your code is even worse. I want a straight answer, not you dancing around the issues like you tend to do so well.
  235. [ 2012.10.13 21:45:47 ] Ba'Ba > But I know I won't get one.
  236. [ 2012.10.13 21:45:51 ] Ba'Ba > I will remain neutral.
  237. [ 2012.10.13 21:46:03 ] James 315 > I've noticed you have a bit of a cynical, skeptical, or disrespectful tone toward me.
  238. [ 2012.10.13 21:46:31 ] James 315 > This would be easier if you were more respectful, and if you just came out and supported the New Order wholeheartedly
  239. [ 2012.10.13 21:46:43 ] Ba'Ba > See, that's my issue.
  240. [ 2012.10.13 21:47:04 ] Ba'Ba > I have been respectful of you after paying. This is the first discussion we have had in a month or so.
  241. [ 2012.10.13 21:47:18 ] Ba'Ba > But see, you're telling me I'm being disrespectful by having a discussion with you.
  242. [ 2012.10.13 21:47:42 ] Ba'Ba > I haven't cursed you out. I haven't told you to stop, I haven't called you names. Nothing.
  243. [ 2012.10.13 21:47:47 ] James 315 > You have exhibited an attitude toward me in this conversation that is not what I would call "respectful"
  244. [ 2012.10.13 21:47:49 ] Ba'Ba > I'm having an adult discussion with you.
  245. [ 2012.10.13 21:48:01 ] Ba'Ba > Again, if that is how you want to see it.
  246. [ 2012.10.13 21:48:09 ] James 315 > Do you recognize me as your leader?
  247. [ 2012.10.13 21:48:36 ] Ba'Ba > I recognize you as the bumbers leader.
  248. [ 2012.10.13 21:48:41 ] Ba'Ba > bumpers*
  249. [ 2012.10.13 21:48:46 ] James 315 > Do you recognize me as the Supreme Protector of Halaima?
  250. [ 2012.10.13 21:49:14 ] Ba'Ba > This goes back to my questions, and if you aren't going to answer them, we are just talking in circles once again...
  251. [ 2012.10.13 21:49:36 ] James 315 > Ba'Ba straight question, and I'd like a straight answer. Do you recognize me as the Supreme Protector of Halaima?
  252. [ 2012.10.13 21:50:00 ] MasterTheHut > /emote sig heils
  253. [ 2012.10.13 21:50:04 ] Ba'Ba > Straight question, for a straight answer, to answer your question straightly.
  254. [ 2012.10.13 21:50:08 ] James 315 > Wow that's evasive.
  255. [ 2012.10.13 21:50:08 ] Ba'Ba > What do you protect?
  256. [ 2012.10.13 21:50:17 ] James 315 > You think you can answer my question with a question?
  257. [ 2012.10.13 21:50:40 ] James 315 > How about, "Yes, James 315, I recognize you as Supreme Protector of Halaima".
  258. [ 2012.10.13 21:50:41 ] Ba'Ba > How can I answer a question about you being a "supreme protector" if I don't even know what you protect?
  259. [ 2012.10.13 21:50:48 ] James 315 > HALAIMA
  260. [ 2012.10.13 21:50:51 ] HxChippiewill > and Hi sec
  261. [ 2012.10.13 21:50:51 ] Ba'Ba > From what?
  262. [ 2012.10.13 21:51:01 ] HxChippiewill > bot aspirant behaviour
  263. [ 2012.10.13 21:51:13 ] James 315 > I protect the miners from themselves, mostly
  264. [ 2012.10.13 21:51:27 ] Ba'Ba > But I'm not a bot, so you don't even have issue with me. I don't afk mine, I play this game, I log off when I'm done for the day.
  265. [ 2012.10.13 21:51:38 ] Ba'Ba > So what are you protecting ME from?
  266. [ 2012.10.13 21:51:54 ] James 315 > So Ba'Ba, as you know, there is a provision in the Code requiring respect for elected leaders. Agreed?
  267. [ 2012.10.13 21:51:57 ] HxChippiewill > In many ways YOU already are protected
  268. [ 2012.10.13 21:52:06 ] James 315 > And I asked you a direct question about whether or not you recognized my authority here
  269. [ 2012.10.13 21:52:17 ] Ba'Ba > Not until I have payed, so yes, I am protected, but from WHAT?
  270. [ 2012.10.13 21:52:23 ] Ba'Ba > James, this is important.
  271. [ 2012.10.13 21:52:30 ] Ba'Ba > This is for me to answer your question.
  272. [ 2012.10.13 21:52:36 ] James 315 > Ba'Ba all you need to do is say "yes"
  273. [ 2012.10.13 21:52:48 ] James 315 > Say that you recognize me as Supreme Protector of Halaima
  274. [ 2012.10.13 21:52:58 ] Zkanu > ahaha its James o/
  275. [ 2012.10.13 21:53:04 ] Ba'Ba > So you don't even care about me, except that I say yes to your every whim. You don't care about me, as a player, or as a person?
  276. [ 2012.10.13 21:53:12 ] Ba'Ba > Even though I have submitted to you.
  277. [ 2012.10.13 21:53:26 ] James 315 > Ba'Ba did you just finish a bunch of "evasive maneuvering" skills? Seems like it
  278. [ 2012.10.13 21:54:19 ] Ba'Ba > Wow, are we going to reduce ourselves to snide remarkes? I'm trying to talk to you here, James. Like adults.
  279. [ 2012.10.13 21:54:33 ] Ba'Ba > I will answer your question if you tell me what you are protecting me from.
  280. [ 2012.10.13 21:54:37 ] James 315 > Ba'Ba I protect you from irrelevance, do I not? Before you encountered me, you were just another faceless miner serving isk.
  281. [ 2012.10.13 21:55:05 ] Ba'Ba > No, I was Ba'Ba, playing this character and my alt for enjoyment that I get out of the game.
  282. [ 2012.10.13 21:55:24 ] James 315 > Nobody cared about Ba'Ba before I showed up
  283. [ 2012.10.13 21:55:30 ] Audrik Villalona > I did.
  284. [ 2012.10.13 21:55:41 ] James 315 > Audrik Villalona no you didn't, hush.
  285. [ 2012.10.13 21:55:52 ] Ba'Ba > Nobody cares about Ba'Ba now, you haven't saved me. I'm sure I've annoyed many people talking to you now.
  286. [ 2012.10.13 21:55:53 ] Audrik Villalona > Ba'Ba is much more interesting than another Mafia impersonator.
  287. [ 2012.10.13 21:55:55 ] Azzprin > no boby cared about james 315 before he show up or even after he showed up
  288. [ 2012.10.13 21:55:57 ] Karma Bad > Such a sad sight, i remember when there was only 10 miners in this belt
  289. [ 2012.10.13 21:56:18 ] James 315 > Ba'Ba my Agents and I helped make you an example of the redemptive power of the New Order
  290. [ 2012.10.13 21:56:30 ] Ba'Ba > By punishing me.
  291. [ 2012.10.13 21:56:35 ] Azzprin > AKA bullying power
  292. [ 2012.10.13 21:56:53 ] James 315 > Ba'Ba you deserved to be punished by filing a frivolous petition against me
  293. [ 2012.10.13 21:56:59 ] Ba'Ba > Again, James, please. Answer what do YOU protect ME from?
  294. [ 2012.10.13 21:57:05 ] Pfoertner > james, we get relevance from our lifes.. this game is ment to be an escape into irrelevance
  295. [ 2012.10.13 21:57:09 ] Ba'Ba > and I will answer if you are supreme protector or not.
  296. [ 2012.10.13 21:57:17 ] Audrik Villalona > I have exclusive information that James and his agents spend their ill-gotten gains on powerful and illegal nullsec boosters, rotting their brains as well as their morals.
  297. [ 2012.10.13 21:57:30 ] James 315 > Ba'Ba I already told you i protected you from irrelevance. AND that we helped redeem you from your frivolous petition
  298. [ 2012.10.13 21:58:09 ] Azzprin > Audrik Villalona that's a lie. they don't have brains to rot in the first placetoo much ramming and squeesed them out of their ears
  299. [ 2012.10.13 21:58:20 ] Ba'Ba > and I've told you that those things didn't matter to me. See, if I felt I needed protection, it's not from irrelevance.
  300. [ 2012.10.13 21:58:25 ] Audrik Villalona > James 315 is the king of Crash .
  301. [ 2012.10.13 21:58:32 ] Mikalas T > been an hour. still can't tell who is trolling who or if serious conversation. ;x
  302. [ 2012.10.13 21:58:45 ] James 315 > Ba'Ba at least admit that you deserved your punishment for filing a frivolous petition
  303. [ 2012.10.13 21:58:55 ] Audrik Villalona > He crashes into miners while on Crash , it's all a misunderstanding.
  304. [ 2012.10.13 21:59:29 ] Ba'Ba > When someone wants protection, they will seek it out, when they ask for it, and or aquire it. Protection from irrelavance I did not need. So how can I see you as a protector of me?
  305. [ 2012.10.13 21:59:54 ] James 315 > Ba'Ba it's for me to decide whether you need protection. It's not up to you.
  306. [ 2012.10.13 22:00:03 ] Ba'Ba > Frivolous petitions are not for you to decide, because they aren't sent to you, they are for CCP to decide. You have gotten your money for it.
  307. [ 2012.10.13 22:00:16 ] Ba'Ba > See, so what are you protecting ME from?
  308. [ 2012.10.13 22:00:37 ] James 315 > Ba'Ba CCP already decided it was frivolous prior to your filing it, same as other anti-bumper petitions
  309. [ 2012.10.13 22:01:05 ] Ba'Ba > If it was, then their actionw as "we'll look into it" not "20m added to 10m"
  310. [ 2012.10.13 22:01:41 ] Ba'Ba > So it wasn't your place to take action because it's within the game, now, you want to be protector of these sections of space. But what do I need protection from most?
  311. [ 2012.10.13 22:02:09 ] James 315 > Ba'Ba you do not get to tell me what is and is not my place. Remember, I am your leader, not the other way around
  312. [ 2012.10.13 22:02:21 ] Ba'Ba > See, this is fruitless.
  313. [ 2012.10.13 22:02:26 ] Audrik Villalona > ya think?
  314. [ 2012.10.13 22:02:41 ] Pfoertner > this is sparta^^
  315. [ 2012.10.13 22:02:41 ] James 315 > Ba'Ba this seems to keep going back to your failure to recognize me as your leader.
  316. [ 2012.10.13 22:02:59 ] Ba'Ba > I've payed you, James. I wasn't even talking to you to begin with. It wasn't even a discussion about the New Order to begin with. You've brought yourself into this discussion.
  317. [ 2012.10.13 22:03:10 ] James 315 > I have been patient with you, because I am rooting for you. I want you to do the right thing.
  318. [ 2012.10.13 22:03:24 ] Ba'Ba > I'm neutral, I've told you that.
  319. [ 2012.10.13 22:03:26 ] James 315 > But you still have not recognized me as your leader. That is a problem.
  320. [ 2012.10.13 22:03:28 ] Ba'Ba > You got what you wanted.
  321. [ 2012.10.13 22:03:48 ] James 315 > From the Code: "Respect for elected officials. As Saviour of Highsec, I acted as proxy when electing myself Supreme Protector. Miners should respect the will exercised by the people when they made this choice."
  322. [ 2012.10.13 22:04:09 ] Ba'Ba > and I've respected you.
  323. [ 2012.10.13 22:04:18 ] Ba'Ba > Throughout this entire conversation.
  324. [ 2012.10.13 22:04:27 ] Ba'Ba > But, respect is a two way street, James.
  325. [ 2012.10.13 22:04:32 ] Ba'Ba > I expect it in return.
  326. [ 2012.10.13 22:04:46 ] James 315 > Ba'Ba have you respected the will of the people, exercised when they made me Supreme Protector?
  327. [ 2012.10.13 22:04:54 ] HxChippiewill > MartaDePayne what is your intention?
  328. [ 2012.10.13 22:05:16 ] James 315 > Ba'Ba see, right now, I'm looking for a reason to allow you to keep your protected status. And you certainly aren't helping me.
  329. [ 2012.10.13 22:05:16 ] Ba'Ba > Was I apart of this vote?
  330. [ 2012.10.13 22:05:21 ] MartaDePayne > just thought i'd give you guys a bump too :)
  331. [ 2012.10.13 22:05:29 ] James 315 > Yes, I acted as your proxy, as explained in the Code
  332. [ 2012.10.13 22:05:49 ] HxChippiewill > MartaDePayne in a rifter?
  333. [ 2012.10.13 22:05:54 ] MartaDePayne > or at least fly round you
  334. [ 2012.10.13 22:06:10 ] MartaDePayne > yer couldnt find anything bigger
  335. [ 2012.10.13 22:06:31 ] Ba'Ba > Exactly, so I had no choice on the matter to begin with, as I have no choice if you are supreme protector. So why are you even asking, you have said yourself that I arleady see you as supreme protector. All I wanted to know is.
  336. [ 2012.10.13 22:06:35 ] HxChippiewill > Try a Stabber or a Mach, they'll work better. Although, dare I say your efforts seem marginly meaningless
  337. [ 2012.10.13 22:06:36 ] Ba'Ba > What do I need protection from.
  338. [ 2012.10.13 22:06:44 ] Ba'Ba > And you have never given me an answer.
  339. [ 2012.10.13 22:07:01 ] Ba'Ba > All your answers are irrelevant as the irrelavance you claim you're saving me from.
  340. [ 2012.10.13 22:07:08 ] James 315 > Ba'Ba I'm going to show you the respect you've failed to show me, by giving you a choice.
  341. [ 2012.10.13 22:07:08 ] Ba'Ba > So, again I'm nuetral.
  342. [ 2012.10.13 22:07:12 ] Ba'Ba > I've payed you.
  343. [ 2012.10.13 22:07:17 ] James 315 > You have two options.
  344. [ 2012.10.13 22:07:34 ] Ba'Ba > wait
  345. [ 2012.10.13 22:07:39 ] Ba'Ba > I'll tell you what my options are
  346. [ 2012.10.13 22:07:39 ] James 315 > #1. You can forfeit your protected status by your violations of the Code, and rejoin the Red Pen list.
  347. [ 2012.10.13 22:07:46 ] Ba'Ba > forfeit my protected status.
  348. [ 2012.10.13 22:07:47 ] Ba'Ba > Or
  349. [ 2012.10.13 22:07:54 ] Ba'Ba > tell you, you are supreme protector.
  350. [ 2012.10.13 22:08:01 ] Ba'Ba > How is that respect, James?
  351. [ 2012.10.13 22:08:10 ] James 315 > #2. You can ask for a shareholder vote on your status.
  352. [ 2012.10.13 22:08:33 ] Ba'Ba > So I have no choice at all, really?
  353. [ 2012.10.13 22:08:36 ] HxChippiewill > Does a child not first learn respect by being forced to respect?
  354. [ 2012.10.13 22:08:38 ] James 315 > If you invoke the shareholder vote, you will be allowed to plead your case in an EVEmail as to why you think you should not rejoin the Red Pen list
  355. [ 2012.10.13 22:09:19 ] MasterTheHut > vrooooom
  356. [ 2012.10.13 22:09:32 ] Ba'Ba > I like how you respect others, James.
  357. [ 2012.10.13 22:09:47 ] James 315 > Ba'Ba i have indulged you far beyond what you deserve, believe me
  358. [ 2012.10.13 22:09:48 ] Azzprin > WHAT!!!!! some one else gets onto the red pen list But not me :(
  359. [ 2012.10.13 22:09:52 ] Audrik Villalona > you could show respect for yourself and pick option 1. looks like you have a choice after all.
  360. [ 2012.10.13 22:09:53 ] Gallapoof Rin > James 315 Why use a red pen?
  361. [ 2012.10.13 22:10:22 ] Ba'Ba > You haven't respected my voice today, you've made snide remarks, you've told me I'm wrong with no answers to why.
  362. [ 2012.10.13 22:10:22 ] James 315 > So Ba'Ba, would you care to make that choice now? Option #1 or Option #2?
  363. [ 2012.10.13 22:10:31 ] HxChippiewill > Azzprin there are several easy ways to get onto the red pen list, however I am unsure as to why you are disappointed by not being on it
  364. [ 2012.10.13 22:10:57 ] Audrik Villalona > of course you're unsure :)
  365. [ 2012.10.13 22:11:54 ] Azzprin > no matter how annoying i am to james 315 he does not put me on it
  366. [ 2012.10.13 22:11:55 ] James 315 > Ba'Ba if you would like to think about it, I will give you 24 hours to do so. Because I am merciful.
  367. [ 2012.10.13 22:12:14 ] HxChippiewill > Gallapoof Rin "If your name is written in Red Pen, the cost of an indulgence will be trebled and you will be at increased risk of bumping." that .. is why
  368. [ 2012.10.13 22:12:19 ] James 315 > If you decline to make a decision, the decision will be made for you, and you will be notified of it.
  369. [ 2012.10.13 22:12:30 ] Ba'Ba > Exaclt my entire point.
  370. [ 2012.10.13 22:12:35 ] Ba'Ba > exactly*
  371. [ 2012.10.13 22:12:43 ] Ba'Ba > You don't care about us.
  372. [ 2012.10.13 22:12:53 ] Audrik Villalona > That point isn't worth making.
  373. [ 2012.10.13 22:13:14 ] Audrik Villalona > Think of a better point, one that's not self-evident.
  374. [ 2012.10.13 22:13:17 ] James 315 > Ba'Ba i'm giving you options, and you interpret that as a lack of concern? I'm disappointed in you.
  375. [ 2012.10.13 22:13:31 ] Ba'Ba > I would like to hear it. Hell, I would admit he is supreme protector, and become a shareholder, maybe one of his highest if he would just admit it.
  376. [ 2012.10.13 22:13:46 ] JIATPuOT > ALL HAIL THE NEW ORDER KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK
  377. [ 2012.10.13 22:13:49 ] JIATPuOT > :D
  378. [ 2012.10.13 22:13:51 ] James 315 > o/
  379. [ 2012.10.13 22:13:53 ] HxChippiewill > o/
  380. [ 2012.10.13 22:13:54 ] JIATPuOT > o/
  381. [ 2012.10.13 22:13:57 ] James 315 > Ba'Ba admit what?
  382. [ 2012.10.13 22:14:04 ] Ba'Ba > What I need protection from.
  383. [ 2012.10.13 22:14:32 ] James 315 > From yourself, from your isk greed, from irrelevance, from the lack of law and order, and from your evil deed of petitioning me
  384. [ 2012.10.13 22:14:47 ] Ba'Ba > Those aren't answers.
  385. [ 2012.10.13 22:14:53 ] James 315 > Wow
  386. [ 2012.10.13 22:15:07 ] Jessica Amber > isk greed?? go gank incursion runners
  387. [ 2012.10.13 22:15:11 ] Gallapoof Rin > HxChippiewill That doesn't really answer my question, You're just telling me the consequences of having your name written down. I wanted to know why a RED pen and not any other colour.
  388. [ 2012.10.13 22:15:26 ] James 315 > Ba'Ba my heart breaks for you
  389. [ 2012.10.13 22:15:43 ] Ba'Ba > As does mine, for you, James. We shall weep together.
  390. [ 2012.10.13 22:15:50 ] Ba'Ba > You won't even fess up.
  391. [ 2012.10.13 22:16:04 ] Ba'Ba > I've explained to you several times why those aren't answers.
  392. [ 2012.10.13 22:16:26 ] MasterTheHut > i suppose submission is all we can ask
  393. [ 2012.10.13 22:16:27 ] Exploitess Bumpalitus > who is moving in on my turf?
  394. [ 2012.10.13 22:16:29 ] James 315 > You were incorrect, though, and it's not your determination to make
  395. [ 2012.10.13 22:16:31 ] HxChippiewill > Gallapoof Rin symbolism above all else
  396. [ 2012.10.13 22:16:40 ] Exploitess Bumpalitus > james , my old teacher
  397. [ 2012.10.13 22:16:56 ] Exploitess Bumpalitus > now i started as the student now i am the master
  398. [ 2012.10.13 22:17:02 ] James 315 > heh
  399. [ 2012.10.13 22:17:14 ] Exploitess Bumpalitus > time for you to step down and hand to me what is mine
  400. [ 2012.10.13 22:17:25 ] Exploitess Bumpalitus > i am the new superpower in my system
  401. [ 2012.10.13 22:17:33 ] Ba'Ba > But you offered no reason as to why they were incorrect you have no debate against my reasons for it. So how could I be wrong? Just telling someone they're wrong, doesn't make them wrong, James. I would expect you of all people to know that.
  402. [ 2012.10.13 22:17:38 ] Exploitess Bumpalitus > and you arte not needed anymore
  403. [ 2012.10.13 22:17:54 ] James 315 > Ba'Ba you see a debate where there isn't one. You have forgotten your place.
  404. [ 2012.10.13 22:18:02 ] Ba'Ba > See.
  405. [ 2012.10.13 22:18:08 ] HxChippiewill > Exploitess Bumpalitus James 315 has been elected as Saviour of Hi-sec, it is not a power you can seize
  406. [ 2012.10.13 22:18:15 ] Jessica Amber > damn eve really needs a role play server
  407. [ 2012.10.13 22:18:23 ] Audrik Villalona > it has one, this is it.
  408. [ 2012.10.13 22:18:40 ] Exploitess Bumpalitus > i am going to fetch my super bump ship and exploit stoopiud miners who actually pay bumpers
  409. [ 2012.10.13 22:19:05 ] Gallapoof Rin > Exploitess Bumpalitus I'm not a miner, can I still pay?
  410. [ 2012.10.13 22:19:23 ] Exploitess Bumpalitus > and james i think you need to step down, my time has come and yours is over
  411. [ 2012.10.13 22:19:45 ] Exploitess Bumpalitus > you have proved one can make mega isk without any skills whatsoever
  412. [ 2012.10.13 22:20:16 ] Exploitess Bumpalitus > im going to fetch my supa doopa bumpship youll see
  413. [ 2012.10.13 22:20:21 ] HxChippiewill > Exploitess Bumpalitus to prove your worth I suggest you challenge James 315 to a duel, toherwise your words carry no weight
  414. [ 2012.10.13 22:20:23 ] Exploitess Bumpalitus > its way superior to yours
  415. [ 2012.10.13 22:20:30 ] Exploitess Bumpalitus > i agree
  416. [ 2012.10.13 22:20:34 ] Exploitess Bumpalitus > i will be back
  417. [ 2012.10.13 22:20:45 ] Exploitess Bumpalitus > a duel of bumping
  418. [ 2012.10.13 22:20:50 ] Ba'Ba > I guess, do what you're going to do, James. You have told me that I have no voice in your system, you have told me that I have no say, you don't respect me. You're going to do whatever you want to do without any choice made by me, what-so-ever.
  419. [ 2012.10.13 22:20:55 ] Exploitess Bumpalitus > cos thats what we are good at
  420. [ 2012.10.13 22:21:04 ] Ba'Ba > Especially after I've already payed your penance.
  421. [ 2012.10.13 22:21:12 ] Ba'Ba > So do what you're going to do, james.
  422. [ 2012.10.13 22:21:26 ] James 315 > Ba'Ba I have shown you more respect than you've earned. But you still fail to accept your place, and that I am your leader.
  423. [ 2012.10.13 22:21:30 ] HxChippiewill > Exploitess Bumpalitus but first, to display your honour you must pass one of the three tests
  424. [ 2012.10.13 22:21:51 ] HxChippiewill > to prove your worth as an opponent to James 315
  425. [ 2012.10.13 22:22:05 ] Ba'Ba > I've told you I'm neutral, I will pay you my yearly sum.
  426. [ 2012.10.13 22:22:15 ] Ba'Ba > I don't support nor deny the New Order.
  427. [ 2012.10.13 22:22:27 ] Ba'Ba > There is your answer.
  428. [ 2012.10.13 22:22:42 ] James 315 > Ba'Ba then your fate will be decided by the Shareholders of the New Order.
  429. [ 2012.10.13 22:23:07 ] Ba'Ba > Make sure you actually tell them what I have said then. Don't pick and choose, taking things out of context like you do.
  430. [ 2012.10.13 22:23:30 ] James 315 > You may send an EVEmail pleading your case at any time within the next 24 hour period, and I will let them read it in its entirety.
  431. [ 2012.10.13 22:24:13 ] HxChippiewill > Ba'Ba in order to prevent any accidental mis-representation I shall post the chat logs in the vote on your behalf
  432. [ 2012.10.13 22:24:41 ] James 315 > The matter will be brought to a vote at a time convenient to the www.minerbumping.com schedule
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