Voct: hey
Voct: you there?
weizhong: Ayup
Voct: it's about the image on 2112
Voct: which, it turns out, is complex
weizhong: I caught glimpses of that
Voct: I've been talking to some people on Wikipedia IRC
weizhong: Uh huh
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Voct: <ToAruShiroiNeko> Date of publication: 1923 through 1977 - Conditions: Published without a copyright notice - Copyright term: None. In the public domain due to failure to comply with required formalities
Voct: <ToAruShiroiNeko> Thats first published in canada though probably
Voct: <ToAruShiroiNeko> so that rule wouldn't necesarily apply
Voct: <ToAruShiroiNeko> http://www.guitarworld.com/files/imagecache/futureus_imagegallery_fullsize/gallery/rush_caress.jpg <- this is it right?
Voct: <ToAruShiroiNeko> I see no copyright marking on it
Voct: <ToAruShiroiNeko> http://m1.behance.net/rendition/modules/38953965/disp/70a71399dc9d252e19e6cd1e31db1185.jpg <- that seems to have them though
weizhong: hmm....
Voct: if it's an album published before 1977....*and* if the record company forgot to put a copyright notice on the album cover... then the album cover art is public domain
Voct: BUT
weizhong: That's an awkawrd area.
weizhong: *awkward
Voct: you have to consider the *back* cover also
weizhong: Uh huh.
Voct: <ToAruShiroiNeko> What I am saying is that you need to consider the product as a whole
Voct: <ToAruShiroiNeko> back and front covers matter
Voct: [[me]] Go on
Voct: [[me]] yeah, that's what I thought
Voct: <ToAruShiroiNeko> if neither has a copyright notice it is PD
Voct: [[me]] and so we'd need to see the back cover of the original printing. Correct?
Voct: <ToAruShiroiNeko> pre 1977 yes
Voct: [[me]] right
Voct: <ToAruShiroiNeko> because after that law changed
Voct: <ToAruShiroiNeko> they would have to print the copytight notice with first publication
weizhong: Okay, I see.
Voct: so we have to check various fan sites
Voct: to see if any of them have pictures of the backs of original printings of Rush albums
Voct: and, if so, if the back covers have a copyright notice
Voct: if *not*....
Voct: and it's an album from before 1977
Voct: then that image is public domain and it can be used
weizhong: Hmph, I see
weizhong: I don't have the time to deal with this now
weizhong: But I will throw it up for notice
weizhong: Thanks for picking this up
Voct: <ToAruShiroiNeko> Date of publication: 1923 through 1977 - Conditions: Published without a copyright notice - Copyright term: None. In the public domain due to failure to comply with required formalities
Voct: "Caress of Steel", a 1975 album by the Canadian band "Rush"
Voct: ... are you saying that the cover art for this specific album is public domain due to a bureaucratic lapse?
Voct: <ToAruShiroiNeko> if first published in the US yes
Voct: <ToAruShiroiNeko> otherwise no
weizhong: If the album itself, or the art?
Voct: the art.
Voct: the music is still copyrighted.