You know what Id like to happen?

J Col
Gain super powers?

At least, conceptually.

J Col
?

If suddenly we humans learned that God exists, by him l,iterally coming to Earth... but instead of it being the God of a current religion, it's deities from ancient Myth no one believes in.
Id like to see what "Yahweh doesnt exist, but Zeus does" would do to the world.

J Col
Lot of comic fans like you would bicker about Thor, for starters.

Well, Id want to know what else exists, what happened and what is Myth
The idea of Hermes giving interviews is funny.

J Col
I'd rather see the rebirth of demons.

What demons?
You mean medieval catholic demons?

J Col
All of them, more or less. Whatever myth spawned them, let them pop up.

... Why demons but no Gods?

J Col
Easier to take advantage of and best. Same with striking deals.
It'd be interesting to see them go from being used to swordsmen and no massive laws...and no social media, to everything as it is today. It would be a massive shift, and I don't believe they'd immediately take over because a lot would be out of their league.

Geez, I'm not talking about taking over.
Also, an angel from the Bible blows up 1/3 of the moon in the Revelation
Demons are fallen angels
They'd take over fast if we're being honest
Nor am I talking about "God exists, let's shoot him."
fuck that.

J Col
If you go by a certain religion, they are.
But I'm not going by specific religions. Cherry picking, as you say.

no, you just want all demons to exist in generic, no-divine related form
and for them to be grossly unprepared for us

J Col
You wanna explain my reasoning to me? Keep going then.

let's not fight, then

J Col
Then forget I said anything, you'll take offense to it regardless.

I won't.
and I didn't take offense.
I was just asking "What if a certain forgotten mythology" turned out to be true.
And certain deities and beings started regularly visiting Earth again.
Not wanting to destroy mankind or make us all bow to them
But just showing up
... J.

J Col
?

let's not be angry at each other.

J Col
@_@ If I were to say anything--which you know I'd never do--I'd want to think more of possible political and social aspects. Not power levels.

Since when was I talking of power levels?
I was talking of what would happen to the world, to the culture, to religions
If Gods from Greek Mythology revealed themselves to the world again, and certain beings from said myths started popping up into existence again
and the major religions turned out to be false
What would that do to atheists, what would that do to believers?
What would be governments approach to them?
What would be societies?
Would they be adored, would they be feared? Both? Would leaders try interacting and making deals with them? Would some become something of celebrities? Superheroes even ?
I'm talking about a mythology being real, with their gods, beings, rules and powers rather faithfully adapted.
I appreciate the idea of humanity vs demons, demons being unprepared for our technology, but I just find it dull.

J Col
That wasn't the main thing I wanted to lead up to but alright.

But it's hard to say what gods would do. May not even care.

You wouldn't care if say, elemental giant monsters (Gigas) popped out of the Earth and started wracking havoc across the world, and the skies split and from another dimension came Gods from Greek Mythology and kicked their asses?
Giving a dramatic scenario, but even then.
I'd assume a dramatic scenario would be what would make then return

J Col
That's something completely different from what you first said.

Not true.
Both things can walk hand in hand.
If a mythology is true, then are it's Gods and it's demons and monsters

J Col
You said if gods popped back up. Not that giant monsters would pop up and they'd have to save everyone.

And I admitted it was a dramatic scenario.
What would you imagine they popping back would be?
Zeus showing up in the vatican and going? "Hey guys, you're worshipping the wrong dude."

J Col
I haven't said anything regarding that.

I didn't said you did.
That's why I asked you a question.
But I want to have an actual conversation here.

J Col
I couldn't say. It depends if you meant the gods coming back, or them coming back along with all of their religion coming true-including monsters-or what.

most of their religion being true. (Impossibilities such as flat earth and what not aren't, but all the Gods, Titans and monsters are)
Something happens that leads to them popping back, and the whole world being aware of their presence, and the world being more or less how it was in Myth stories. We have a mostly stable civilization, but creatures and monsters and demons exist and can show up, but so do Gods who often walk among us.
And it wasn't like, a secret.
Like "Oh, Gods exist but nobody knows."

J Col
What would happen would largely depend on your view.
or an apocalypse

Well, what do you believe would happen, or would find interesting to happen?

J Col
Well, what's considered valid?
If monsters and such pop back up, that'd put a lot of small-time bickering that has become paramount to this generation. Brute strength and skill would give way to modern technology, biologists would collectively shit themselves a new ecosystem and everyone would put every new eyeball, scale, pound of flesh and bone to use.
I'm speaking in how the world is today, not if there was also some mass regression of society and government.

... I wasn't speaking as if there would.
What did I say that imply that?

J Col
I'm being specific is all.

Okay, that makes sense.
Lotta changes would be made in science and what not.
But theology, society.
Suddenly you have at least 14 beings who could each wipe out the Western seaboard of the map if they wanted flying about.

J Col
At that point, who cares about the future. Do as you do and expect it to end.

... But they aren't malevolent.
That's my main point.
This isn't a fight for humanity's independance or survival.

J Col
And why would I trust that?

Yes, you wouldn't.
But I'm talking about how the world at large would react.
How the religious and scientific communities would act.

J Col
Lot of cults and sacrifices at first, most likely.
I imagine there'd be a massive shift in world religion

... What kinds of sacrifice?

J Col
Don't give me that, you're more than aware of the bastardization people have put on old gods. I'm half expecting you'd ask if Cosmos was real if you could ask them anything.
You'll have people who've done nothing but watched Troy and other shit-tier HBO shows and insist that blood be shed as entertainment or some sort of appeasement. Especially towards being that seemingly popped up out of nowhere. Bringing monsters with them, no less.
A lot of people would see that as a predatory force.

. . . Don't give you what?

J Col
You're thinking far too peacefully, and expecting people as a whole to meet mass inhuman destruction with "oh, this is what it said in those books".

In return, I think you're being far too cynical and Earth centric.
I don't expect that.

J Col
...the hell is "earth-centric"?

"Fuck yeah, humans"
When I established that nothing on Earth could stop them and that they could effortlessly wipe out the Earth's population if they wanted, you said "At that point, who cares about the future?"
I really fail to believe that.

J Col
I said that as far as how I would feel.

Most people believe in an Omnipotent God, and in the existance of Satan

J Col
"Most people" in certain areas of the world also believe in honor killings.

Well, I do believe lunatics would try to do human sacrifice
But the funny thing about Greek Gods is that they don't like Human sacrifice.
I truly believe we'd eventually see organized religion centered arround them. c
Just like I'm certain many religious people would be convinced they're demons.
And that "The end times have come"
I would also love to see the reaction of people like Richard Dawkins

J Col
You seem to enjoy the idea of humbling a lot of people.

I don't.
I'm an atheist myself.
I'm thinking of this as a thought experiment
What would happen to society if that happened.

J Col
Lot of women getting fucked by Zeus and having demigods.

You know, that didn't happen all that often in the Heroic Age

J Col
This wouldn't be the heroic age.

You didn't get my point.
I'm saying that there are few demigods in Greek Myth
specially if we are to consider the world population and that all those myths happened (If we were to put a timeline on them) over the span of centuries.

J Col
Given the population now, and many more ways of artificially enhancing beauty, it'd be a game changer compared to then.

You do have a point.
But it's not like they don't know beauty themselves.
But that's kinda the thing. Old myths are bastardized to no end.
I'm imagining if they were more or less accurate
Not one-note, not complete tyrants who must be killed, but also not complete incompetent bufoons

J Col
That's as preconception that could end up with you dead by insulting the wrong figure by going "oh yeah, didn't you do this?".

That very well could happen.
Just like I could see one of the more chill Gods giving a live interview and joking around. "Oh no, this is mortal imagination."

J Col
Who knows

I'm sure some people would believe they to be advanced aliens
and want to study them
Imagine what modern science could do if we had access to sacred ambrosia, or a little bit of Ichor.

J Col
Probably wouldn't happen

... Is it just me or you've lost a lot of interest?

J Col
No, you're not wrong.

Why is that?

J Col
What makes you think people have the equipment or resources to get any form of breakdown of ambrosia? That's rather close to being too human centric. Deciphering any form of otherworldly or godly substance would take exponentially more time and effort than anything they could otherwise physically do, which I won't bring up, because military fuck yeah.
Nevermind the issue of getting that to begin with or working under the presumption that gods would want to be seen as cheap celebrities. Less than an hour and they'll kill at least five people a piece for someone making a troll comment, and that's them in a good mood. Attaching old sentiments and personalities to common day media is a completely different world but if I go into technology too much that may make you think I'm trying to give humans too much credit compared to however long ago the legends were first written.

You don't have to write this under the narrative that I'm judging all you write.
Just because I don't the think the Gods are weak scrubs and that all the they can do was seen as impressive because *Written 3000 years ago* doesn't mean I don't care for what humanity could do.

J Col
If you don't judge me often on what I write, then I have no clue why you instantly think things like *that*

I find the need to weaken and cheapen said entities to give humanity a greater chance to shine a weak writing solution.
I'm an atheist, and I care greatly for humanity more than I do for Gods.

J Col
Can you tell me where I wanted them cheapened or weakened please?

I didn't say you wanted.

J Col
Then why do you act like I want that.

You seemed to lose interest immediately when I established that they are beyond anything our modern technology could do.
seemed to prefer demons because they'd be easier to deal with, and might not be prepared for what we have.

J Col
No, you shut down anything I start that begins with what humans could do. Even though I brought up monsters and making use of their body parts and bits.

" if I go into technology too much that may make you think I'm trying to give humans too much credit compared to however long ago the legends were first written." also this

J Col
And I can't bring up demons because you didn't like that topic, so it doesn't matter why I wanted those instead.

If I did shut down everything humans could do, I wouldn't agree to using body parts of monsters

J Col
Then at least write down a solid do/don't list so I know I can muse about openly.

I'm not an asshole, you know

J Col
No, you just have very peculiar moods.

no matter how much some of your posts might suggest otherwise.
i like that I can't say what you think or want, but you do that often.
I just really, really fail to see anything of value that goes in a story of such scale that begins by making the mythical beings lesser than humans.
Other than to go "Humanity fuck yeah"
A story about God re-appearing to mankind, and humans defying him and warring against him really does pique my interest.

J Col
Good for you then.

But if it ends with modern military technology and a nuke being more than enough to solve our problems.
I ask "What's the point?"

J Col
This is going to the story you spoiled out of spite, not anything I said.

Well, you were the one who first brought up demons being overwhelmed by modern technology, and in the complaint post mentioned ttechnology

J Col
Yes and you don't know why, nor did you care to know why because all I could possibly go to is fuck yeah military wank, right?

IF that's what you think I thought, why should I answer?
You're already so sure of why I like / dislike why I do.

J Col
So you reacting as you did isn't an indicator of what you believed I was aiming for.

Funny you should say that, I could apply that same sort of line to all the times you go "Explaining my thoughts to me, very well."

J Col
Given how you tend to act, I can almost hear you rolling your eyes at me.

Eyes don't make sounds.
And if we are to be like that, I can picture you sighing and thinking I'm dumb

J Col
Well I do sigh often. But I don't think you're dumb. I would be surprised if you didn't think that though regarding me.
inb4 you go :333

Well, be surprised, then
And is posts like that the make me think you think I'm dumb
or at least shallow and obnoxious

J Col
I think you have a good reason for what you do, and if you do something, it's on purpose. Whether or not you think you're justified in doing so, who knows.

And in my observations, I can tell that you have a fondness for military, weapon technology, and a disinterest in things whose scale render humanity defenseless.

J Col
I'm a history buff, a military history buff at that, and I tend to focus on more realistic scenarios and--should anything supernatural pop up--what could happen from it. People aren't as dumb or as weak as you like to believe. But then again that's low power level and that's boring.

And here you go again thinking I'm dumb, shallow, only care for things if they are stronk
My entire discussion is about what humanity could do, how humanity could act
what would change in our culture and society.

J Col
I say I'm a history buff...and that...somehow translates to you being shallow or dumb.

No.
" People aren't as dumb or as weak as you like to believe. But then again that's low power level and that's boring."

J Col
No? Then what did you just say?

THIS translates to you thinking I'm shallow or dumb.
Deliberate mockery and implying that I only care for things for shallow reasons
And that I'm inherently wrong

J Col
Given you gave a giant rant on a series of books that involved god getting nuked and refused to let it die, yes, I do believe that you don't care about things if they're low power levels.
Again, inb4 you tell me more about the book which...yeah, I can't defend because I haven't read. Neither have you, but you know enough to let that fuel whatever flame you have lit for it.
You have a hair trigger on shit like that, whether or not I'm involved. And I'm not gonna act like it's not there.

If I didn't care for things that are low power level, my favorite anime wouldn't be FMA and Spirited Away, my favorite movie wouldn't be Lord of the Rings, Back to the Future and A Clockwork Orange, and my favorite TV Series wouldn't be Breaking Bad and my favorite book wouldn't be A Song of Ice and Fire
Well done.
My hatred for The Salvation War comes from the rampant right wing militarism coupled with intense God-hatred, and the whole premise being rendered meaningless since the God humanity is fighting is an incompetent idiot who can be killed with a nuke

J Col
Oh good, it means you didn't complain about what you have for the reasons you had.
Oh wait, those happened

And how is humanity not weak?
Literally, there isn't a single major mythology humanity of today could defeat

J Col
Are you honestly trying to get me to argue a point I've said I've had? Or against it for...some reason?

Are you going to ignore my actual reasons for hating The Salvation War?
and continue to believe your made-up reasons?

J Col
Matt, do you really wanna spend time bickering about a book that 1) neither of us have fully read and 2) you spoiled for me sheerly out of spite and demanded that you were in the right for it because you didn't like it?
Wanna race to open up a wikipedia page? Or would you rather go to a forum and adopt opinions?

The discussion isn't about the book
It's bigger than that.

J Col
Then let's ignore it like you said. Sure.

that doesn't help it either.
You do give the impression that you think I'm incredibly shallow

J Col
Then I guess I'm just fucked until I know what's ok with you.

Playing the victim certainly isn't, I'll give you that hint.

J Col
Works for you. Do you even know why I was interested in the book? Actually interested?

Because it was humanity breaking free of faith in higher powers and using our own capability

J Col
Not even close.

You legit gave a short explanation of why you were interested that was basically that

J Col
Yes, and that wasn't the main draw to it that I first had.

What was it, then?
You never bothered to give me?

J Col
Well you're such a good detective I thought you would've told me sooner or later.

You really don't need to mock me to prove your point
If anything it only makes it smaller

J Col
The one bit I heard about was that every country played a part. Every part of the globe was part of the war effort. Economists killed themselves trying to figure out the debts that would be figured out because you had massive munitions being made, shipped, and used. You had raw materials moved half way across the globe to be refined, then moved to a third and fourth location to be turned into weapons and equipment. It was a logistical nightmare that somehow worked because it had to, and after the end, everything would collapse under the sheer strain of manufacturing and exponential costs. Which would only grow once shit hit the fan even harder.

the book is almost exclusively american POV
the rest of the world are off-handed remarks

J Col
But no, it was because lolnukes. Or gun wanking. Whatever it was that made you feel validated in telling me everything you did, while you had the audacity to act like you were being insulted.

You also act like you're being insulted, and you often insult me while doing so.
And I legit told you the reason I thought you care for it up above.
Just like I legit explained why I dislike it even higher

J Col
Yes and that's all that mattered to you when you told me what happened.

But you'd rather believe in your mental narrative that everything I like or dislike is based entirely on what Tier it has on Versus Battles Wiki.

J Col
Going off of all that you gravitate towards? I don't know how I could've thought that.

Don't be a hypocrite.

J Col
Though I'm also guilty of hiding what I like. One valid reason being because I don't want you telling me shit when you're in a bad mood.

And then act surprised when I think you have a gun boner

J Col
Because I do. But not because they go bang like a normal rock stupid American.

I know not. You like the history, the wars, the technology, the design.
So please don't act like my interest in gradiose scales and powers exist solely out of a "MY FAVORITE CHAR IS STRONKER THAN YOURS!!11" 'Who would win' bullshit.

J Col
Then why do you occasionally remind me of what they can do? I haven't forgotten.
And for all else you enjoy you don't talk about those.

Because the grand powers, the epic mythical scale, the world-shaking larger than life characters is something that I find interesting.
I'm a mythology buff.
I really enjoy reading and learning about the Gods and demons manking has believed in
Our explanations for the functionality of the universe around us.
Our believes in higher powers and how they've shaped our world views.

J Col
And you hate it when others don't see that, I know.

"while you had the audacity to act like you were being insulted."
Don't be a hypocrite.

J Col
I've said much more for you to take out of context and argue semantics over.
Reach for the stars sweetest.

I'm not taking out of context.
And you are being a hypocrite in acting as if my tastes are inherently more shallow and less valid than yours.
And you mock me considerably more than I ever mock you.
But at this point I kinda don't want to talk.
What's the point of wondering the implications of divine figures among us, of humanity being faced with something that they truly cannot grasp, comprehend or face, yet is tangible and visible
What if walking Gods, and walking forgotten Gods for that matter, were among us, and how would that affect science, religions, society.
A mythical world where extraordinary divine things happened right in front of our eyes, but rather than being old-timey ancient civilizations, it's modern times.

J Col
I do. I really do. I almost get off on it sometimes.
You enjoy getting mad and making snap comments and insisting there is only one way, and only later act like you were sorry you did what you wanted deliberately.
I enjoy mocking you. Because I'd rather do that then ruin shit for you, or purposely lash out because neither of us wants to see how that ends.

But this derranged into wat it did.
So I don't want to talk anymore.
And you clearly still see yourself as the hero in this tale.