more ugc hl drama

Thursday, January 17, 2013
2:38 AM - RedRum: i have a question for you
2:41 AM - RedRum: your thread wasn't erased
2:42 AM - RedRum: thanks for posting it outsdie of ugc after you talked to admins about it
2:43 AM - chimpoo: i'm sorry, it's nothing personal, but the way inf talked to me pissed me off
2:43 AM - RedRum: no your not sorry
2:43 AM - RedRum: how old are you btw? just curious?
2:43 AM - chimpoo: 18 what about you
2:43 AM - RedRum: all of us are at least mid 20s or older
2:43 AM - chimpoo: and i am sorry if it offended you personally, but i'm not sorry that i offended the league as a whole
2:43 AM - RedRum: you think posting it public makes it better for you?
2:43 AM - RedRum: you talked to admins about it
2:44 AM - RedRum: no your not sorry
2:44 AM - RedRum: if you were you would act before posting
2:44 AM - RedRum: think about it before you post
2:44 AM - chimpoo: what do you want me to say, i said i'm sorry if i personally made you angry, but i'm NOT sorry that i gave the league bad publicity, because i think it deserves it after the response i got from inf
2:44 AM - chimpoo: in that case, you are right, i'm not sorry
2:45 AM - chimpoo: but i'm sorry in the former way
2:45 AM - chimpoo: if you think my actions are immature/bad/whatever, then fine
2:45 AM - chimpoo: but the response i got from inf was pretty immature
2:45 AM - chimpoo: so don't bring age into this discussion
2:45 AM - RedRum: angry nah. because someone wants to drop down a division? your not the only team who wans to drop down a division. we told you how we did it. what else is there to explain
2:45 AM - RedRum: oh your not sorry
2:46 AM - chimpoo: i don't know how else to explain what i just said
2:46 AM - chimpoo: you guys didn't tell me how you did it. you guys just said you did
2:46 AM - chimpoo: no reasoning at all
2:47 AM - chimpoo: no counter to my reasoning why we should be in plat
2:47 AM - RedRum: yeah lets make a post about it. makes a lot of sense
2:47 AM - chimpoo: your reasoning is inconsistent with the placement of other teams
2:47 AM - RedRum: we based it from end of last season like all divisions. we move teams up plain and simple
2:47 AM - RedRum: if your offclassing we can't go by that
2:47 AM - chimpoo: end of last season is inconsistent with our new team this season when only one member is returning
2:47 AM - RedRum: if you want to move down how about show us something? klite for example
2:47 AM - RedRum: they have 20 games of logs
2:47 AM - chimpoo: well, i scheduled a scrim with moose for saturday, who kindly said he's assess us
2:47 AM - chimpoo: i mean you and inf couldn't even offer that?
2:48 AM - chimpoo: moose was kind enough to add me first
2:48 AM - chimpoo: and say
2:48 AM - RedRum: 1 game doesn't cut it
2:48 AM - RedRum: we would need to see a bunch
2:48 AM - chimpoo: yo, let's just scrim, i'll assess you, we'll get some logs
2:48 AM - chimpoo: well you didn't even offer me that alternative
2:48 AM - chimpoo: you didn't even bring that up
2:48 AM - chimpoo: i specifically asked you
2:48 AM - chimpoo: what do we need to do to show u we should be in gold
2:48 AM - chimpoo: u didn't answer
2:48 AM - chimpoo: you didn't say "play a bunch of games and show us logs"
2:48 AM - chimpoo: you just said "we had a big ass meeting. that's it"
2:49 AM - RedRum: it's common sense
2:49 AM - RedRum: if you really want to move down
2:49 AM - chimpoo: the evidence i offered is common sense
2:49 AM - RedRum: and "offclassing" which we don't go by
2:49 AM - RedRum: we can't go by offclassing
2:49 AM - chimpoo: my only evidence is not offclassing
2:49 AM - chimpoo: did you even read my post
2:49 AM - RedRum: maxlander told us last season look what they did
2:49 AM - chimpoo: maxlander had fucking invites
2:49 AM - chimpoo: and they scrimmed
2:49 AM - RedRum: no need to curse man
2:49 AM - chimpoo: lol "no need to curse" stay on topic
2:50 AM - chimpoo: anyway
2:50 AM - chimpoo: sounds like you didn't even read my post
2:50 AM - chimpoo: and the points i made
2:50 AM - chimpoo: that are common sense
2:50 AM - chimpoo: as to why we should be in gold
2:51 AM - chimpoo: comparing us to maxlander, that's ridiculous
2:51 AM - chimpoo: totally different situation
2:51 AM - RedRum: there's always
2:51 AM - RedRum: borderline teams
2:51 AM - RedRum: always
2:51 AM - RedRum: each season
2:51 AM - chimpoo: we aren't a borderline team
2:51 AM - chimpoo: and even if you argue that we are
2:51 AM - chimpoo: the way you guys handled it
2:51 AM - chimpoo: pissed me off
2:51 AM - chimpoo: except moose
2:51 AM - chimpoo: moose was the only one
2:51 AM - RedRum: we all agreed in mumble tuesday night
2:51 AM - chimpoo: that offered us a SOLUTION
2:52 AM - chimpoo: at least a possible one
2:52 AM - RedRum: and you think posting on a public forum helps your case? do you even think before you post? it seems you rage about stuff without thinking
2:52 AM - chimpoo: it brings more awareness to the poor decisions UGC admins make
2:53 AM - chimpoo: and yes, i'll admit i was pissed
2:53 AM - chimpoo: but i was fully aware of what i was doing
2:53 AM - RedRum: poor? we agreed as a team tuesday night
2:53 AM - RedRum: that you belong in plat
2:53 AM - RedRum: and you got kicked from axl wat for acting up. not a surprise do i go posting about that? i could care less
2:53 AM - chimpoo: you made the wrong decision, you informed us poorly of your decision
2:53 AM - chimpoo: no, i got kicked from axl+ for being disruptive in games
2:53 AM - RedRum: no we made the right decision
2:53 AM - chimpoo: get your facts right
2:54 AM - chimpoo: not axl wat
2:54 AM - RedRum: yeah blazin told me
2:54 AM - chimpoo: why do you even bring up a topic you have absolutely zero information on
2:54 AM - chimpoo: blazing wasnt part of the team i was kicked from
2:54 AM - chimpoo: blazing was on axl-ffu i was on axl+
2:54 AM - RedRum: he was still part of it
2:54 AM - chimpoo: no he was not
2:54 AM - chimpoo: he was not in our mumble during games
2:54 AM - chimpoo: i dont' need to explain this to you
2:55 AM - chimpoo: your immaturity astounds me, going off topic, trying to bring up stuff you don't even know about to make me look bad
2:55 AM - RedRum: i'm just saying i don't go posting about that. if you don't like our admins decisions you just need to play it out and see how it goes
2:55 AM - chimpoo: you don't go about posting that because you weren't part of it. axl+ can go post whatever about me on forums if they wanted to back when i was picked
2:55 AM - chimpoo: kicked*
2:56 AM - chimpoo: i was part of a situation that i feel warrants public awareness
2:56 AM - chimpoo: in the tf2 hl community
2:57 AM - RedRum: lol you go posting on a forum cuz you can't get your way. there's 40 teams who wants to drop down a division. we had to decline almost all requests. your not the only team. other plat teams, gold teams, silver, steel
2:57 AM - chimpoo: ok now it's 40, not 20. just because teams want to drop doesn't mean you can't raise teams up a division
2:57 AM - RedRum: if you count europe request
2:58 AM - chimpoo: you shouldn't be trying to satisfy requests, you should be trying to make clear the skill levels in each division and putting teams based on their skill/experience in HL
2:58 AM - chimpoo: and based on my team's skill level/experience
2:58 AM - chimpoo: we deserve to be in gold division
2:58 AM - RedRum: we move teams at the end of season 8, this is nothing new
2:58 AM - chimpoo: anyway i'm not gonna tell you how you should admin and whatnot
2:58 AM - chimpoo: cuz that's not my job
2:58 AM - RedRum: then we wait til teams come back and ready up
2:59 AM - chimpoo: but our team is a new team
2:59 AM - chimpoo: we're just using the squirrel clickers roster page
2:59 AM - chimpoo: with only 1 person continuing on
2:59 AM - chimpoo: starters speaking
2:59 AM - chimpoo: and u made ur decision of SQ record last season
2:59 AM - chimpoo: which doesn't make sense
2:59 AM - chimpoo: off*
3:00 AM - chimpoo: that's what i don't understand when you brought up our team being put in plat cuz of last season's record
3:00 AM - RedRum: we talked about your team in the meeting. we think you can still hang in plat with nps. we all decided this
3:00 AM - RedRum: no
3:00 AM - RedRum: we move all teams
3:00 AM - RedRum: no matter what
3:01 AM - RedRum: at the end of the season
3:01 AM - chimpoo: then why is DMS still in plat?
3:01 AM - RedRum: then if a team wants to move down
3:01 AM - chimpoo: im using DMS as an example
3:01 AM - chimpoo: because they clearly aren't plat material anymore
3:01 AM - chimpoo: they used to be
3:01 AM - chimpoo: now they are not the past couple seasons
3:01 AM - RedRum: they have to show us something. we can't jsut go by "their word" or else every division would be screwed up
3:01 AM - RedRum: dms wants to play in plat
3:01 AM - chimpoo: they have shown in the past couple seasons they are being lower and lower plat
3:01 AM - RedRum: some teams want to play in plat
3:02 AM - chimpoo: so if a silver team wants to play plat, you're gonna put them in plat?
3:02 AM - chimpoo: same thing, just because DMS wants plat, doesn't mean you put them there
3:02 AM - chimpoo: they deserve to be in plat
3:02 AM - chimpoo: *gold
3:02 AM - chimpoo: just like we deserve to be in gold
3:02 AM - RedRum: no we would look at it and their history/roster etc
3:02 AM - chimpoo: well for our team, we have NO history since it's only misskay from squirrel clickers
3:02 AM - chimpoo: and our roster is mostly new to HL
3:03 AM - chimpoo: so why are we in plat?
3:03 AM - RedRum: not history as a team
3:03 AM - RedRum: history through ugc yes
3:03 AM - chimpoo: ok what's our history then
3:03 AM - chimpoo: briefly
3:03 AM - RedRum: look at your roster on the site
3:03 AM - chimpoo: if you don't mind expanding
3:03 AM - RedRum: tells you
3:03 AM - chimpoo: what, last season's record??
3:03 AM - chimpoo: is that what you are referring to?
3:03 AM - RedRum: roster history....
3:03 AM - chimpoo: what does roster history have to do with our current team?
3:04 AM - chimpoo: so if we had classic mixup^ on our roster history sometime in the past 3 seasons
3:04 AM - chimpoo: but they aren't on our current team
3:04 AM - chimpoo: that affects us
3:04 AM - chimpoo: ?
3:04 AM - RedRum: your current team. each players own history
3:04 AM - RedRum: i think your confused
3:04 AM - chimpoo: show me then i'll go to our roster page right now
3:05 AM - chimpoo: tell me what roster history
3:05 AM - chimpoo: you are referring to
3:05 AM - chimpoo: i'm not a team leader btw
3:05 AM - RedRum: it's on the site
3:05 AM - RedRum: you don't need to be a leader to see it
3:05 AM - chimpoo: ok im here: http://www.ugcleague.com/team_page.cfm?clan_id=5228
3:05 AM - chimpoo: i don't see anything about player history
3:05 AM - chimpoo: just matches from previous seasons
3:06 AM - chimpoo: that are not a factor since we are a new team, just using the same
3:06 AM - chimpoo: "roster page"
3:07 AM - chimpoo: are you still there?
3:07 AM - RedRum: yep
3:07 AM - chimpoo: so, what is the roster history you speak of
3:07 AM - chimpoo: i'm on the team page
3:07 AM - chimpoo: i don't see it
3:07 AM - RedRum: it's there
3:07 AM - chimpoo: you mind telling me where?
3:08 AM - chimpoo: look stop wasting my time with scavenger hunting, and just get to the point. our player history shouldn't mean anything, when 6 of our starters have no history in UGC HL
3:09 AM - chimpoo: other gold teams have player histories that are "better" than ours
3:09 AM - chimpoo: obviously, i'm not gonna accomplish anything trying to find logic in what you say
3:09 AM - chimpoo: so unless you can offer me some type of solution to this argument
3:09 AM - chimpoo: or situation
3:10 AM - chimpoo: then i'm done, it's 3 am here
3:10 AM - chimpoo: talk to me tomrorow if you still want to
3:10 AM - RedRum: yeah sure looking forward you posting about it on public forums
3:10 AM - chimpoo: i have class at 9 am
3:11 AM - chimpoo: ok, i'll enjoy showcasing UGC immaturity on the internet
3:11 AM - chimpoo: you're only making it worse when you say stuff like what you just said
3:11 AM - chimpoo: i honestly think i've handled this more professionally thatn you guys have besides maybe my cursing
3:11 AM - chimpoo: anyway, good night, talk to me tomorrow if you still want to
3:11 AM - RedRum: crying on ugc forums?
3:11 AM - chimpoo: show me where i cry
3:12 AM - chimpoo: good night
3:12 AM - RedRum: yep