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- 12-07-18T19:05:13 <Kennythehitman> !@#$%meeting 7
- 2012-07-18T19:05:15 <loocorez> 01:24 <@timg> but anyways.. chances are I won't be attending the meeting tonight
- 2012-07-18T19:05:18 <Kennythehitman> derp
- 2012-07-18T19:05:23 <chancez> lol
- 2012-07-18T19:05:37 <Kennythehitman> Has everyone seen the pull request on Github?
- 2012-07-18T19:05:43 <chancez> so it sounds like we've got some plan changes Kennythehitman?
- 2012-07-18T19:05:48 <chancez> Yerp
- 2012-07-18T19:05:51 <loocorez> Yes
- 2012-07-18T19:05:57 <Kennythehitman> chancez , yes we might have to reschedule the meeting
- 2012-07-18T19:05:58 <BrotherGA2> wait... this is my game.... t.i.m.g. Same person?
- 2012-07-18T19:05:59 <xORioN63> ?
- 2012-07-18T19:06:05 <Kennythehitman> BrotherGA2 yes
- 2012-07-18T19:06:14 <BrotherGA2> *light goes off in head*
- 2012-07-18T19:06:48 <Kennythehitman> I encourage everyone to comment on the pull request, recommend any changes or ideas you have
- 2012-07-18T19:07:04 <Kennythehitman> Once we agree, we can merge it
- 2012-07-18T19:07:15 <BrotherGA2> Is there anything we could cover for the people who did come? should we check who's here?
- 2012-07-18T19:07:43 <Rosur> i'm gonna head of falling asleep... i'll check the logs of the meeting tomorrow.
- 2012-07-18T19:07:50 <loocorez> Night!
- 2012-07-18T19:07:52 <BrotherGA2> gnight
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- 2012-07-18T19:08:31 <Kennythehitman> Rosur we're going to reschedule
- 2012-07-18T19:08:33 <Kennythehitman> damn
- 2012-07-18T19:08:42 <Daniel110> why?
- 2012-07-18T19:08:43 <Kennythehitman> BrotherGA2 a small amount of us are here
- 2012-07-18T19:09:13 <Kennythehitman> Daniel110 like 90% of the group said they wont be able to make it lol
- 2012-07-18T19:09:24 <loocorez> didn't like <5 people say that?
- 2012-07-18T19:09:29 <loocorez> I think the group just shrunk over time
- 2012-07-18T19:09:34 <xORioN63> ^
- 2012-07-18T19:09:34 <Daniel110> oh ok
- 2012-07-18T19:09:47 <Daniel110> can we start working on the project? Why do we need a meeting?
- 2012-07-18T19:09:54 <Kennythehitman> Well we have 12 members in the organization
- 2012-07-18T19:09:55 <loocorez> it is to be expected. Beginners commit and bail, people realize they have less time than they can commit
- 2012-07-18T19:09:56 <xORioN63> We are still lacking some important members...
- 2012-07-18T19:10:08 <Daniel110> we already know what we want to build and the tools we are using
- 2012-07-18T19:10:12 <Kennythehitman> Daniel110 : check the pull request, we're still needing to gather feedback on that
- 2012-07-18T19:10:47 <loocorez> Who was the other guy leading the web proj again?
- 2012-07-18T19:10:56 <Kennythehitman> nitro
- 2012-07-18T19:11:10 <loocorez> could he not make it also?
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- 2012-07-18T19:13:40 <Kennythehitman> I think so
- 2012-07-18T19:14:05 <BrotherGA2> welp... ok, since we're not having a full meeting today, and until timg finishes the ELI5 guide to working on this, can we talk a little bit about the most important skills people need to start learning ASAP to be able to contribute?
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- 2012-07-18T19:14:25 <loocorez> yeah maybe a survey of skills people have who are present?
- 2012-07-18T19:14:36 <loocorez> people who are present have*
- 2012-07-18T19:16:04 <Kennythehitman> That depends
- 2012-07-18T19:16:24 <chancez> Kennythehitman: Why not merge it now, and add more with more pull requests?
- 2012-07-18T19:16:26 <xORioN63> I think you only need to know git, python and django... In fact, you don't even have to know that much, since this is to help people program as well
- 2012-07-18T19:16:29 <Kennythehitman> If you're wanting to work on the backend, Python and Django are of the highest priority
- 2012-07-18T19:16:53 <Kennythehitman> chancez , but would everyone else who didn't make it agree?
- 2012-07-18T19:17:18 <Kennythehitman> If you're wanting to work on the frontend, HTML/CSS/js
- 2012-07-18T19:17:24 <loocorez> the pull req has been up for17 hrs
- 2012-07-18T19:17:27 <Kennythehitman> and jQuery
- 2012-07-18T19:17:49 <loocorez> I saw it before this meeting, anyone else who had something to say should have said something...
- 2012-07-18T19:17:56 <chancez> Kennythehitman: i mean you can argue later, you can move files around too, organization of this seems rock solid, makes sense, why not make a base people can use
- 2012-07-18T19:17:59 <chancez> and then work from there
- 2012-07-18T19:18:00 <Kennythehitman> If you're wanting to work on both, then you'll be doing a lot of learning
- 2012-07-18T19:18:15 <Kennythehitman> chancez alright I'll merge
- 2012-07-18T19:18:18 <chancez> Kennythehitman: people who are learning the front end shoudl also learn how jquery templating works.
- 2012-07-18T19:18:34 <Kennythehitman> brb
- 2012-07-18T19:18:35 <chancez> Because thats where all the content will be coming from, and thats important to understand, and know how that part works.
- 2012-07-18T19:19:00 <loocorez> chancez: you mean the beta templating feature?
- 2012-07-18T19:19:14 <loocorez> if so, I disagree
- 2012-07-18T19:19:59 <BrotherGA2> this is a bit overwhelming, unfortunately, but I'm optimistic that I'll be able to contribute at least a little. I think I'll just work on finishing CS101 this week and complete the git tutorial. By then we should have more direction so I could figure out where to focus.
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- 2012-07-18T19:21:05 <chancez> loocorez: beta?
- 2012-07-18T19:21:24 <chancez> BrotherGA2: it may seem that way at first with anything new
- 2012-07-18T19:21:29 <loocorez> chancez: http://api.jquery.com/jQuery.template/
- 2012-07-18T19:21:30 <ArrowBot> Title: jQuery.template() jQuery API (at api.jquery.com)
- 2012-07-18T19:21:32 <loocorez> that?
- 2012-07-18T19:21:41 <chancez> loocorez: no, im refering to the django templating
- 2012-07-18T19:21:48 <loocorez> ah ok good lol
- 2012-07-18T19:22:48 <chancez> basically im thinking we would develop a simple page, with a template for the new html/css people
- 2012-07-18T19:23:11 <BrotherGA2> chancez: Yeah... I'm not thinking this is impossible, nor am I thinking this will be easy. It's just "a lot" of material to cover in order to keep up. Once I cover the basics it should get easier, like you said, as it is with anything new.
- 2012-07-18T19:23:12 <chancez> and then from there we would have django dev's use that as their test page to render content and see if their django code works and pulls the info they want
- 2012-07-18T19:23:23 <Kennythehitman> Alright, it's merged now
- 2012-07-18T19:23:27 <chancez> BrotherGA2: right, what are you considered with most?
- 2012-07-18T19:23:36 <chancez> I can help whenever I can, if I can't ill try to find the answer.
- 2012-07-18T19:23:59 <chancez> Kennythehitman: we also need to make sure we have django set up using the sql server we plan on using
- 2012-07-18T19:24:40 <chancez> and then the local stuff probably can be done using a local sql db, or even sqllite, but idk how that works with git since dev would require that we use sqllite, and live require we dont..
- 2012-07-18T19:24:44 <Kennythehitman> Django is mostly db agnostic, so devs can choose to use sqlite or pgsql up to a point
- 2012-07-18T19:25:09 <chancez> yeah, but it still matters
- 2012-07-18T19:25:10 <Kennythehitman> What would you guys want for production, pg?
- 2012-07-18T19:25:32 <Kennythehitman> Dev doesn't require sqlite
- 2012-07-18T19:25:57 <chancez> if you want to develop on your own computer, it does, unless everyone sets up mysql or postgres on their own machines
- 2012-07-18T19:26:02 <Kennythehitman> Changing db config in Django is a matter of editing one set of lines in the settings file
- 2012-07-18T19:26:13 <loocorez> why not sqlite for prod? consistency, no need for crazy configuration...
- 2012-07-18T19:26:16 <Kennythehitman> I have postgres and mysql on my machines
- 2012-07-18T19:26:17 <chancez> yeah, but many people are new with this so im just worried for them
- 2012-07-18T19:26:19 <loocorez> and sqlite is fine for prod
- 2012-07-18T19:26:27 <loocorez> unless you're facebook or something
- 2012-07-18T19:26:32 <Kennythehitman> Ehh
- 2012-07-18T19:26:39 <chancez> idk, about that
- 2012-07-18T19:26:50 <chancez> if your using sqllite it'll bottleneck super fast if people begin using our site
- 2012-07-18T19:27:01 <Kennythehitman> ^
- 2012-07-18T19:27:03 <BrotherGA2> chancez: I know the very basics of python from taking CS101 (i.e., def statements, if, then, else, while, for, [], return, etc.) and I'm relatively comfortable with linux/terminal. I used to mess around with html when I was a kid. that's about it.
- 2012-07-18T19:27:30 <loocorez> "s to say, 99.9% of all websites). The amount of web traffic that SQLite can handle depends, of course, on how heavily the website uses its database. Generally speaking, any site that gets fewer than 100K hits/day should work fine with SQLite." from their site
- 2012-07-18T19:27:41 <Kennythehitman> So we agree on sqlite for dev, unless the particular dev so chooses to use pgsql, and pgsql or mysql for prod?
- 2012-07-18T19:27:44 <loocorez> oops, ignore first third of the sentence
- 2012-07-18T19:27:59 <chancez> yeah i mean whatever works
- 2012-07-18T19:28:01 <loocorez> and we're really doing reads, not any writes on prod
- 2012-07-18T19:28:06 <Kennythehitman> loocorez , what about if our hub really catches on?
- 2012-07-18T19:28:11 <Kennythehitman> if and when*
- 2012-07-18T19:28:15 <loocorez> hahaha
- 2012-07-18T19:28:19 <loocorez> assuming we get anything shipped
- 2012-07-18T19:28:25 <chancez> assuming, yes.
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- 2012-07-18T19:28:29 <Kennythehitman> Of course we will
- 2012-07-18T19:28:32 <chancez> but i mean we've got a lub of subs in the channel
- 2012-07-18T19:28:32 <BrotherGA2> ^^
- 2012-07-18T19:28:33 <Kennythehitman> I wont let that not happen
- 2012-07-18T19:28:37 <chancez> so yeah.
- 2012-07-18T19:28:42 <chancez> and id like something to add to my resume
- 2012-07-18T19:28:45 <chancez> sooo
- 2012-07-18T19:28:49 <chancez> ;)
- 2012-07-18T19:28:52 <Kennythehitman> And we can always pick up new devs as time goes on as well.
- 2012-07-18T19:29:03 <Kennythehitman> We lost quite a bit from the first meeting but it's not that bad
- 2012-07-18T19:29:16 <chancez> BrotherGA2: You'll be okay then :), just ask questions, but try to use your google foo first ;)
- 2012-07-18T19:29:29 <chancez> It doesn't take a large team to do this work tbh
- 2012-07-18T19:29:42 <BrotherGA2> yeah. I think the absence is just middle of the week blues and the fact that time zones can never accomodate everyone (it's 1:30 here, for example)
- 2012-07-18T19:29:44 <chancez> my school usually has 1-3 devs developing apps over a month or two
- 2012-07-18T19:31:05 <loocorez> my school (my team) has between 4-6 devs... we crank out ~1-3 apps every 2-3 months... but we're working 20 hour weeks
- 2012-07-18T19:31:20 <loocorez> depends on the complexity greatly. blog will be easy. CMS?
- 2012-07-18T19:31:42 <Kennythehitman> Brb, I just replaced CentOS on my server with a fresh Ubuntu 12.04 install
- 2012-07-18T19:32:18 <chancez> Nice.
- 2012-07-18T19:32:20 <Kennythehitman> We can use it for general deployment tests
- 2012-07-18T19:32:35 <chancez> I just use a subdomain for my testing.
- 2012-07-18T19:32:43 <chancez> since i use my webserver for dev at work
- 2012-07-18T19:32:46 <chancez> and my laptop at home
- 2012-07-18T19:40:19 <Kennythehitman> Alright, mostly everything is set up
- 2012-07-18T19:40:50 <Kennythehitman> I think we need to make sure everyone is on the same page about the state of the Github repo
- 2012-07-18T19:41:12 <Kennythehitman> Namely the people who couldn't come
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- 2012-07-18T19:42:49 <loocorez> Well, ideally they would read this conversation on pastebin
- 2012-07-18T19:43:23 <loocorez> or the pull request and the discussion we had on it
- 2012-07-18T19:43:26 <loocorez> or both
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- 2012-07-18T19:46:30 <Kennythehitman> Good point
- 2012-07-18T19:47:04 <Kennythehitman> But still, without more input I think we should wait to decide the direction of the settings.py
- 2012-07-18T19:47:19 <Kennythehitman> But for everyone who sees this, feel free to submit your pull requests regardless
- 2012-07-18T19:47:27 <Kennythehitman> We can still move this thing along that way
- 2012-07-18T19:49:25 <loocorez> We can always commit to undo changes made. It's pretty easy with git. How long are we going to wait for each pull request?
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- 2012-07-18T19:55:38 <Kennythehitman> It depends
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- 2012-07-18T19:57:14 <Kennythehitman> We might want to set a standard though, so as to keep things going at a steady pace
- 2012-07-18T19:58:13 <loocorez> agreed. I
- 2012-07-18T19:58:56 <loocorez> I'm reconsidering what I said; should be up to your discretion. If something looks funky... should have people explain it imo.
- 2012-07-18T19:59:10 <loocorez> I guess that goes without saying.
- 2012-07-18T19:59:11 <loocorez> Ignore me.
- 2012-07-18T19:59:18 <loocorez> :P
- 2012-07-18T19:59:45 <Justin___> I was late to the meeting yesterday, do I need to be added to the organization on Github?
- 2012-07-18T20:00:02 <Kennythehitman> My bad man I was doing server stuff
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- 2012-07-18T20:00:24 <Kennythehitman> I'm thinking a day at the most, given active participation from at least the majority of the group?
- 2012-07-18T20:00:33 <loocorez> Kennythehitman: Agreed.
- 2012-07-18T20:00:50 <loocorez> You could expect a response from me on pretty much anything within 16 at any time.
- 2012-07-18T20:01:01 <loocorez> but I'll be more helpful on frontend stuff.
- 2012-07-18T20:01:06 <Kennythehitman> We could have the blog app a deliverable at the very least within a week, but it depends on the activity
- 2012-07-18T20:01:30 <Kennythehitman> loocorez , HTML/CSS/js?
- 2012-07-18T20:01:31 <loocorez> agreed, sounds simple enough
- 2012-07-18T20:01:52 <loocorez> yeah, js/jquery. I mean, I know sql really well but it sounds like django/django-skel uses orm of some sort?
- 2012-07-18T20:02:13 <loocorez> also php/ruby/rails... which is useless for this project :P
- 2012-07-18T20:02:18 <loocorez> and c/c++..
- 2012-07-18T20:02:21 <chancez> brb going home, works over
- 2012-07-18T20:02:40 <loocorez> chancez: kk
- Jul 18 20:05:13 <Kennythehitman> Alright, your frontend experience will definitely come in handy
- Jul 18 20:05:36 <Kennythehitman> And yes, Django's ORM is pretty good at abstraction
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- Jul 18 20:07:28 <loocorez> sure thing. and good, I like orms lol
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- Jul 18 20:18:49 <Daniel110> what are we using for the db?
- Jul 18 20:19:26 <loocorez> text files, we decided from the start
- Jul 18 20:19:36 <loocorez> http://redditblog.com/db.txt
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- Jul 18 20:24:44 <chancez> back
- Jul 18 20:25:36 <chancez> what did i miss?
- Jul 18 20:25:40 <chancez> does look like to much
- Jul 18 20:26:05 <chancez> doesnt*
- Jul 18 20:29:11 <loocorez> basically yeah
- Jul 18 20:29:52 <loocorez> !@#$%meeting
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