@erisia: ~workshop new
@BB-8-NU: A new workshop session was created
#Eternally: ill remember it one day
#Eternally: ~workshop add electivire
@BB-8-NU: electivire added
#Eternally: Im not actually 100% sure what Mixed Evire runs nowadays
#Eternally: ~Electivire
@BB-8-NU: Analysis: http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/electivire/
 ARogue✿: it runs the same
 ARogue✿: as i metioned above
@erisia: i really liked lucianvega's electric spam core
@erisia: mixed evire + rotom + garbodor
 resyhdrtfu: good luck everyone
@nv✿: That is nice since Mixed EVire bops Lanturn for Rotom
#Eternally: that sounds pretty good
#Eternally: ~workshop add Rotom
@BB-8-NU: Rotom added
#Eternally: ~workshop add Garbodor
@BB-8-NU: Garbodor added
#Eternally: ~workshop team
@BB-8-NU: electivire / Rotom / Garbodor
@erisia: it was scarf rotom but we could use a different set if people want
@nv✿: mfw __**e**__ instead of __**E**__
#Eternally: I'd like scarf rotom so we have some speed straight away unless someone wants to use a different set
@erisia: look, 50% of people will be annoyed whichever way i spell my name
@erisia: idk why i even made it a public referendum
#Eternally: ~workshop remove Rotom
@BB-8-NU: Rotom removed
 yunggrimelord: how about a hex wisp set for rotom
#Eternally: hmm
@nv✿: Oml erisia I was talking about electivire :(
@nv✿: I love your small e n_n
#Eternally: I feel like if we run wisphex, we're already vulnerable to pyroar/archeops/floatzel etc
@erisia: oh heheh
#Eternally: ~workshop remove electivire
@BB-8-NU: electivire removed
#Eternally: ~workshop add Electivire
@BB-8-NU: Electivire added
@erisia: i like scarf rotom too
#Eternally: lets go with scarf for now
#Eternally: ~workshop add Scarf Rotom
@BB-8-NU: Scarf Rotom added
 yunggrimelord: ok thats fine
@nv✿: Tbh Eternally you could try WispHex + Discharge
@nv✿: Discharge can at least try to cripple :P
@nv✿: But yea Scarf is best
#Eternally: So we need rocks
@nv✿: ~workshop team
@BB-8-NU: Garbodor / Electivire / Scarf Rotom
#Eternally: a fire switchin
@nv✿: !ds sr, nu, all
@nv✿: Ngl but I like Piloswine here
@nv✿: Regirock could work too ig
#Eternally: Pilo would give us an Ice Resist
#Eternally: some priority, and something that isnt weak to ground
#Eternally: could def work
#Eternally: Regirock gives us a fire resist
#Eternally: sturdier normal resist
#Eternally: but slightly vulnerable to Ground-types
@nv✿: Yea
 yunggrimelord: are there any fireblast users that can ohko pilo?
@nv✿: ~~Specs Magmortar maybe~~
#Eternally: nah none of them can OHKO it
#Eternally: but its getting 2HKO'd with ease
 yunggrimelord: right
#Eternally: theres also miltank
#Eternally: our options are basically Piloswine + Fire-type check, Miltank, or Regirock + Ground and Ice check
@erisia: brb going for lunch
#Eternally: kk
 yunggrimelord: id like to see how miltank fits in this, personally
#Eternally: Im fine with going Miltank
 carcy: what do you think of torterra here? checks lanturn + baits fliers
#Eternally: ooo
@nv✿: Miltank is actually a solid fit
#Eternally: Tort could be cool as well
@nv✿: Hmm
#Eternally: we've got a couple options
 carcy: just a suggestion
@nv✿: Personally I like Miltank
#Eternally: Miltank would probably give us better role compression
@nv✿: Yea
@nv✿: SR, Fire/Ice resist
#Eternally: Fire and Ice in one (or Normal and Grass if we go with Physdef)
@nv✿: Yea
#Eternally: ~workshop add Miltank
@BB-8-NU: Miltank added
@nv✿: We have Garb tho
#Eternally: yeah and rotom
@nv✿: ~workshop team
@BB-8-NU: Garbodor / Electivire / Scarf Rotom / Miltank
@nv✿: This looks good :o
#Eternally: Lets see what we're weak too
#Eternally: Very weak to DD Rhydon/Ground-types in general
#Eternally: Need a water resist
#Eternally: brb 1 sec
@nv✿: kk
#Eternally: back
#Eternally: ~workshop team
@BB-8-NU: Garbodor / Electivire / Scarf Rotom / Miltank
#Eternally: we dont really have a setup sweeper either
#Eternally: to take advantage of evire breaking stuff
 yunggrimelord: jynx?
 openserket: rock polish torterra
#Eternally: RP Tort sounds good cause we're weak to ground-types tbh
@nv✿: I like it
#Eternally: that'd patch up a couple things
@nv✿: ^
 openserket: tangela could be a passive check to water and ground
#Eternally: Doesnt handle special water-types though unfort
 openserket: oh okay
@nv✿: 252 Atk Torterra Wood Hammer vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Rhydon: 400-472 (113.9 - 134.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
@nv✿: This is a nice calc tbh
 yunggrimelord: oh sick
#Eternally: ~workshop add RP Torterra
@BB-8-NU: RP Torterra added
#Eternally: ~workshop team
@BB-8-NU: Garbodor / Electivire / Scarf Rotom / Miltank / RP Torterra
#Eternally: weaknesses nv?
#Eternally: CM Psychics
@nv✿: Hmm
 openserket: specs swellow?
#Eternally: swellow yeah
@nv✿: We need Speed + CM Psychic check
#Eternally: we might need to change a couple things
#Eternally: since we cant really check swellow and cm psychics in one slot
 yunggrimelord: what is cm
 openserket: calm mind
 yunggrimelord: ah ty
@nv✿: !ds dark type, soundproof
@nv✿: rip Dx
#Eternally: lol
#Eternally: how much does boomburst do to spdef miltank
@nv✿: 252 SpA Choice Specs Swellow Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 240+ SpD Miltank: 174-205 (44.1 - 52%) -- 75.8% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
#Eternally: ok
#Eternally: thats way too much
@nv✿: Yea :L
 openserket: bastiodon lol
 openserket: soundproof
#Eternally: lol
 openserket: actually how about abomasnow?
@nv✿: Ok Eternally this may seem like an absolute ton of heat
@nv✿: But what about
@nv✿: !dt solrock
 openserket: come in on boomburst, hit back with ice shard
@nv✿: Aboma could be nice
#Eternally: Solrock > Miltank?
@nv✿: Yes
#Eternally: would actually work lol
#Eternally: although
@nv✿: 252 SpA Choice Specs Swellow Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Solrock: 135-159 (39.2 - 46.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
#Eternally: Lunatone is a better fire-type check
#Eternally: calc lunatone
@nv✿: 252 SpA Choice Specs Swellow Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Lunatone: 76-90 (22 - 26.1%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Stealth Rock
#Eternally: nice
#Eternally: Do we wanna try Lunatone?
@nv✿: It is a nice option tbh
#Eternally: It still does everything Miltank does
#Eternally: but gives us a swellow check
@nv✿: !learn lunatone, moonlight
#Eternally: kanga check
@nv✿: Yep
#Eternally: ~workshop remove Miltank
@BB-8-NU: Miltank removed
#Eternally: ~workshop add Lunatone
@BB-8-NU: Lunatone added
#Eternally: ~workshop team
@BB-8-NU: Garbodor / Electivire / Scarf Rotom / RP Torterra / Lunatone
@nv✿: 252+ Atk Silk Scarf Kangaskhan Double-Edge vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Lunatone: 147-173 (42.7 - 50.2%) -- 41% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
@nv✿: We may wanna make Lunatone mixed
@nv✿: :o
#Eternally: hmm, lunatone doesnt get wisp
@nv✿: yea :/
#Eternally: Solrock gets wisp so we can check DDon as well
@nv✿: y
#Eternally: Ok lets go with Solrock instead
#Eternally: ~workshop remove Lunatone
@BB-8-NU: Lunatone removed
#Eternally: ~workshop add Solrock
@BB-8-NU: Solrock added
@nv✿: We can EV SOlrock to check Fire-types + Swellow imo
#Eternally: yeah
#Eternally: it doesnt need investment to check kanga
#Eternally: cause higher def
#Eternally: and wisp
#Eternally: ok now that we have solrock
#Eternally: we might not need Torterra
#Eternally: since we become Ice weak
#Eternally: with it
@nv✿: y
@nv✿: But
@nv✿: We still need a Water check
#Eternally: yeah
#Eternally: ~remove RP Torterra
#Eternally: ~workshop remove RP Torterra
@BB-8-NU: RP Torterra removed
#Eternally: ~workshop team
@BB-8-NU: Garbodor / Electivire / Scarf Rotom / Solrock
@nv✿: !dt cacturne
@nv✿: :o
@nv✿: Water check + fits tbh
#Eternally: cacturne is such a bad water check though
@nv✿: Although Shiftry ig works better here
#Eternally: Megahorn otter, ice beam floatzel
#Eternally: and it drops
@nv✿: mfw Cacturne will never be viable again Dx
#Eternally: lol
#Eternally: we also dont want anymore weaknesses to skuntank
#Eternally: cause solrock + scarf rotom
 carcy: poliwrath?
 openserket: ^
#Eternally: Poliwrath sounds best
#Eternally: do we want lefties or specs
@nv✿: Ok yeah Poli is nice
@nv✿: I like Lefties personally
@nv✿: But Specs has its merits
#Eternally: ~workshop add poliwrath
@BB-8-NU: poliwrath added
#Eternally: We need something for Psychic-types now
#Eternally: badly
@nv✿: !ds dark type, nu
@nv✿: I like Shiftry or Liepard
@nv✿: ~workshop team
@BB-8-NU: Garbodor / Electivire / Scarf Rotom / Solrock / poliwrath
@erisia: solrock
@erisia: wut
@nv✿: Lmao erisia we found heat
@nv✿: :o
@erisia: literal heat
@nv✿: Solrock is a nice Normal check not weak to Ground
#Eternally: Fire-check + Normal-check + Rocker in one
@nv✿: ^
#Eternally: and we needed something for DDon
@erisia: sounds good
@erisia: just sr / wisp / morning sun / stone edge?
#Eternally: yea
@nv✿: Rock Slide can be used over Edge
@nv✿: For PP purposes
#Eternally: We would've used Lunatone if it got Wisp
@nv✿: + reliability
 openserket: why not rock tomb?
 openserket: slows down stuff for evire
#Eternally: we wanna be able to OHKO fire-types
#Eternally: lemme calc first
#Eternally: 4 Atk Solrock Rock Slide vs. 64 HP / 0 Def Magmortar: 218-258 (71 - 84%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
@nv✿: mfw not guaranteed after SR
@nv✿: :(
#Eternally: 4 Atk Solrock Rock Slide vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Pyroar: 204-242 (65.1 - 77.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
#Eternally: So we can go Stone Edge, or just risk the roll
#Eternally: its not like Mag can do __that__ much back
 openserket: rock tomb can guarantee the 2hko
 openserket: you outspeed and kill?
+AssassinRogue: oh my
 openserket: not pyrorar tho
+AssassinRogue: a solrock o.O
#Eternally: LO Pyroar isnt even 2HKOing with HP Grass
#Eternally: 252 SpA Life Orb Pyroar Hidden Power Grass vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Solrock: 143-169 (41.5 - 49.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
@nv✿: mfw SpD Solrock :o
+AssassinRogue: :3
#Eternally: Well with HP investment + wisp we dont really need physdef solrock
#Eternally: you still wall Kanga, you still beat non irontail tauros, beat DDon
@nv✿: Oh
#Eternally: ~workshop team
@BB-8-NU: Garbodor / Electivire / Scarf Rotom / Solrock / poliwrath
#Eternally: mmk
#Eternally: So Psychic-type checks...
#Eternally: preferably something that can set up
@nv✿: NP Pard?
#Eternally: drops to signal beam mush tbh
#Eternally: I was thinking maybe Klinklang or SD Mawile
#Eternally: cause we kind of want another Scyther check
#Eternally: since atm its Garbodor, or outspeeding it with rotom
@erisia: why are we using poliwrath again?
@nv✿: Water check
@nv✿: Gdi brb
@erisia: what about jynx?
@erisia: or mantine
@erisia: it doesn't seem like there was a lot of discussion looking back
#Eternally: yeah
#Eternally: Skuntank becomes annoying though
#Eternally: since we already have solrock and scarftom
@erisia: !dt solrock
@erisia: what about gastrodon?
@erisia: toxic or clear smog + scarf rotom also seems like enough for psychic-types
#Eternally: Clear Smog Gastro ooo
#Eternally: helps with malamar too
@erisia: plus we have garbodor as a grass switchin
#Eternally: we're weak to Shiftry with Gastro D:
#Eternally: just realised
@erisia: we can add a shiftry check
@erisia: what does the last slot need to cover?
@erisia: gastro + av yama (again D:)
#Eternally: ~workshop team
@BB-8-NU: Garbodor / Electivire / Scarf Rotom / Solrock / poliwrath
#Eternally: we just wanted a Psychic-type check + a setup mon
@erisia: hmmm
@erisia: (PIG)
@erisia: n
#Eternally: lol
#Eternally: I thought SD Mawile could work
@erisia: !ds dark type, nu
#Eternally: since it softens the matchup vs scyther
#Eternally: and shiftry
@erisia: what about pawniard
@erisia: !dt pawniard
#Eternally: yeah either SD Pawn or Mawile
@erisia: !dt mawile
@erisia: why do these have almost the same stats
#Eternally: conspiracy
#Eternally: why do they look so alike as well
#Eternally: (Sort of)
@erisia: i think the psychic-immune is more helpful
#Eternally: Stronger Sucker is nice too
@erisia: defiant also punishes defog (ish)
@erisia: which is nice for spikes teams
#Eternally: SD/Knock/Sucker/Iron Head?
@erisia: yeah i don't think we need low kick
@erisia: ~workshop remove poliwrath
@BB-8-NU: poliwrath removed
@erisia: ~workshop add Gastrodon
@BB-8-NU: Gastrodon added
@erisia: ~workshop add SD Pawniard
@BB-8-NU: SD Pawniard added
@erisia: ~workshop team
@BB-8-NU: Garbodor / Electivire / Scarf Rotom / Solrock / Gastrodon / SD Pawniard
@erisia: this team is so heat rn
#Eternally: ikr
@erisia: who's building it
#Eternally: me
#Eternally: filling in the sets rn
#Eternally: what spread does gastro run
 openserket: archeops could be a problem
 openserket: phy def?
#Eternally: *ev spread
 openserket: 252hp/244+def/12spd is smogon set
#Eternally: mmk that sounds familiar
 carcy: 12 spd
 carcy: doesnt do anything
 openserket: have to put 12 somewhere
#Eternally: speed
 openserket: spdef*
#Eternally: to outspeed rhydon
#Eternally: Yeah I mean im moving it from spdef to speed
 openserket: with 12 speed, it hits 117
#Eternally: mhm, and Tank Rhydon hits 116
 openserket: oh it outspeeds
#Eternally: nothing major, but its more useful
#Eternally: http://pastebin.com/C13EyhUg
#Eternally: pastebin of the team
#Eternally: looks pretty heat
#Eternally: anyone wanna get a test match with it?
#Eternally: Ok ill get one lol
 openserket: lol i dont have any good teams sry
 Eternally Testing: in
@erisia: why is pawniard so good
 Eternally Testing: lol
 Eternally Testing: more like why is Cradily setup fodder for everything
 Eternally Testing: ill get one more
 Eternally Testing: in
@erisia: t-spikes imo
 Eternally Testing: lets hit this focus blast
 Eternally Testing: bop
@erisia: decked
 Eternally Testing: is that spdef weezing lol
@nv✿: Back :(
 Eternally Testing: wb nv
@nv✿: Ty
 yunggrimelord: how many games have you played with this team?
 Eternally Testing: 2
 Eternally Testing: anyone else wanna get a game before I post the team
 Eternally Testing: http://pastebin.com/C13EyhUg thats the pastebin btw nv
@nv✿: Looks weird
 openserket: where do you post the teams to?
@nv✿: But I like it
@nv✿: n_n
 Eternally Testing: lol
 Eternally Testing: smogon forums
 Eternally Testing: ill link you when its up