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  2. /anonplus/mama> tell me is this page on fb is what you made for #freeanons? https://www.facebook.com/pages/Freeanons/487169434640877?ref=ts&fref=ts
  3. [06:54] u /voxanon/pbot> - Title: Freeanons | Facebook: (at www.facebook.com)
  4. [06:55] u /voxanon/mama> guy_tolo: ^^
  5. [06:57] u /voxanon/guy_tolo> yeah thats ours with links all to here mama
  6. [06:58] u /voxanon/mama> so there are somethings you don't know and i must tell you
  7. [06:58] u /voxanon/guy_tolo> kk go ahead mama
  8. [07:00] u /voxanon/mama> we created #freeanons when ppl started creating freetopiary, freemercedes and so on; so i told them there that despite the fact i love these anons but it i don't agree to make campaigns for some known anons and ignore the others
  9. [07:00] u /voxanon/guy_tolo> ok
  10. [07:00] u /voxanon/mama> that is how, we decided Antidote, Anonvoice and me to create this chan
  11. [07:02] u /voxanon/guy_tolo> better supporting all
  12. [07:02] u /voxanon/mama> and we mentioned that in all we did, always never favorite an anon on others
  13. [07:02] u /voxanon/mama> I noticed that the other chan perverted our goals and started promoting fame fags which i didn't like
  14. [07:03] u /voxanon/mama> they made more than 5 posters for BB
  15. [07:03] u /voxanon/mama> i saw recently that they are selling t-shirts with some fame fags on
  16. [07:04] u /voxanon/guy_tolo> yeah we have posters like this mama - https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/527591_492216120802875_1388754420_n.jpg
  17. [07:05] u /voxanon/mama> we never accepted to sell anything and more using fame fags images
  18. [07:05] u /voxanon/mama> LOL
  19. [07:05] u /voxanon/guy_tolo> yeah agreed
  20. [07:06] u /voxanon/mama> what the other anons will feel seeing this poster? or let's say you are in prison and you see it?
  21. [07:06] u /voxanon/mama> knowing that maybe you did 10X more than all those for the causes
  22. [07:06] u /voxanon/guy_tolo> yeah ill get one did with all names and keep better eye on facebook freeanons and instruct other admin on ideals and goals mama
  23. [07:07] u /voxanon/mama> when BB got arrested, 7 hungarian anons have been v& in the same time (you gave me the link)
  24. [07:09] u /voxanon/guy_tolo> yeah i dont like BB hes a faggot and his own fault he got v& and will take others with him threw stupity
  25. [07:10] u /voxanon/v3ct0r> link to the arrests page
  26. [07:10] u /voxanon/mama> v3ct0r: still there is no any official evidence on his arrest and no any serious journal talk about it
  27. [07:11] u /voxanon/mama> we can support him, but never more than anons!
  28. [07:11] u /voxanon/mama> he is not anon further more
  29. [07:11] u /voxanon/v3ct0r> I support him, and Jay supports him, and antisec supports too
  30. [07:14] u /voxanon/guy_tolo> mama - Right we been focusing on the few anons arrested that are famous we need to link more with voxanon #freeanons and highlight all anon cases not just famous few and ill get posting more info up also we only linking to voxfreeanons as other freeanons network are only focusing on famous anons and selling t-shirts and crap to support the few thats not anon way we support all cheers guy_tolo
  31. [07:22] u /voxanon/guy_tolo> kk mama <3
  32. [07:22] u /voxanon/mama> ILU guy_tolo
  33. [07:23] u /voxanon/mama> maybe we should make a poster showing rather the countries with the numbers of arrested anons in each
  34. [07:24] u /voxanon/mama> best effect than a star anon wearing dark glasses hahahah
  35. [07:46] u /voxanon/mama> all our logos and slogans emphasis on this unity and equality
  36. [07:47] u /voxanon/guy_tolo> yep
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  38. 1] Terminal i want voice
  39. [21:51] mama schism: what I meant to express, it is the spirit of this chan and let's say an anon activist spirit
  40. [21:51] schism ok i understand
  41. [21:52] mama if we manage a channel like a shop owner we are reproducing the system we are condemn
  42. [21:53] mama I mean when you make a t shirt with fame fags images, you are supposing that the public will buy them for that images
  43. [21:53] schism ok thats true, ive never used anonops, not a fan
  44. [21:53] mama an anon with dark star glasses
  45. [21:53] schism thats a bit fucked up
  46. [21:54] mama if our moto is, we are one, we are equal; how can we promote ppl just because the media talk more on them?
  47. [21:54] schism yeah i agree
  48. [21:54] mama known that media talk to any anon who offer himself for that
  49. [21:55] mama == any anon who wants to be fame
  50. [21:55] schism all anons are equal
  51. [21:55] schism and should be treated as such
  52. [21:55] schism its not about fame
  53. [21:55] mama we really have created this chan to protest against that tendency
  54. [21:56] schism ok i understand now, and u have given more fuel for radio ad
  55. [21:56] mama so what?
  56. [21:57] schism ?
  57. [21:57] mama for the other subject, i mean selling t-shirts
  58. [21:58] |<-- APIPA has left irc.voxanon.net:6697 (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)
  59. [21:59] mama if ppl would donate anons or #freeanons because they believe in our causes, they will donate; so we don't need to sell them things; if they don't donate, it means we failed to convince the public opinion in our causes
  60. [22:00] schism well i guess selling t shirts of 'famous' anons is shit, but if people are paying and its going to a good cause then its a bit of a dilemma
  61. [22:00] mama if we join the "market" like any commercial entity, so fuck us and let's return to our civil life, it is more rentable !
  62. [22:00] schism i agree, people should donate because they believe in it, but i guess reality is sometimes people want stuff or wish to show they support it in other ways
  63. [22:01] mama in that case we can encourage them to use our logos, like we always did
  64. [22:01] schism but charities do this all the time don't they, u can buy greenpeace shirts of battered seals
  65. [22:01] u /NNNC/somerandomnick> /voxanon/schism: imho then you can sell to the t-shirts
  66. [22:02] u /NNNC/somerandomnick> but goal of sell != find the money
  67. [22:02] mama when i joined anons, no anon was in the mood to buy or to sell our values
  68. [22:02] -->| APIPA (APIPA@voxanon-muo.f0v.957t69.IP) has joined #freeanons
  69. [22:02] schism no it was the same for me
  70. [22:02] APIPA im back
  71. [22:02] u /NNNC/somerandomnick> goal of sell == convince that much ppl they will use to the t-shirts
  72. [22:02] u /NNNC/somerandomnick> so obviously that the price it should low much
  73. [22:03] mama the first one who did that was commanderX and we despised him for that
  74. [22:03] schism and i dont even agree with donations without a reason
  75. [22:04] mama I believe any citizen can donate when he is sure that he will help a causes in which he believes
  76. [22:04] schism well thats how it should be
  77. [22:04] mama no need to put a famefag with dark glasses on a t shirt
  78. [22:05] mama star != anon
  79. [22:05] schism i think the problem is now, more and more anons are being arrested and its cost of legal aid etc, we said we would always help falling anons
  80. [22:06] |<-- wutb0x has left irc.voxanon.net:6697 (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)
  81. [22:06] schism but maybe the donations dont match the costs, so selling stuff that shows support is the next thing
  82. [22:06] schism it should be tasteful though
  83. [22:07] mama schism: we don't pay the legal costs
  84. [22:07] schism at the end of the day, i was just wondering really. I don't agree with donations thats not in some way doing something
  85. [22:07] schism so what are the donations for
  86. [22:08] mama if anons start selling goods to collect money = we didn't convince the public opinion in our causes
  87. [22:09] schism yeah your right
  88. [22:09] mama the donations of #freeanons were to help arrested anons to join their court days, slip in a hotel or such
  89. [22:09] Dash money for a cause is ok
  90. [22:09] mama sleep*
  91. [22:09] Dash with rules to begin with
  92. [22:10] mama all anons has gratis lawyers
  93. [22:10] mama have*
  94. [22:11] mama the first rule we learned and teached among anons was do not sell our logos or anything related to anon
  95. [22:11] mama all the ancient anons remember that i guess
  96. [22:12] mama when comx started selling goods with anons logos, we all despised him
  97. [22:12] schism yeah i remember it i also remember attacks on sites that did, that was over 2 years ago
  98. [22:12] mama you can never control such an absurdity!
  99. [22:13] schism maybe theirs a 'if we dont someone else will' mentality
  100. [22:14] mama hehe, it is like dealers thinking "if i don't sell drugs, some one other will"
  101. [22:15] mama so what is the difference between anons and political parties, commercial entities and so on...?
  102. [22:16] schism lol
  103. [22:16] schism well we are in a way a political party
  104. [22:17] mama orly?
  105. [22:17] mama yay!
  106. [22:17] mama with hierarchical structure and all and all
  107. [22:17] mama with a unique ideology that everyone follow?
  108. [22:18] schism no but with ideals that people would vote for
  109. [22:18] mama ideas != the organization form
  110. [22:18] schism im not suggesting we should be, im just saying on a basic level we are
  111. [22:19] mama i am anarchist but will never join an anarchist party, because a polical party != anarchism
  112. [22:19] schism well an anarchist party doesnt make sense
  113. [22:19] mama anons like anarchists are INDIVIDUALS
  114. [22:20] mama different individuals
  115. [22:20] schism yeah but we tend to follow certain ideals
  116. [22:20] mama that gather for one project or more
  117. [22:20] mama sure, we have some common ideals but not a common ideology
  118. [22:21] mama ideology = a system of ideas
  119. [22:21] schism i never said we did
  120. [22:21] mama tend
  121. [22:23] mama sorry for my "moral fagging"
  122. [22:24] schism its ok
  123. [22:24] schism lol im the biggest moral fag out there
  124. [22:24] mama but i am really upset seeing that it became normal what the other chan is doing, and sadly no one noticed the difference
  125. [22:24] <--| one4liberty has left #freeanons ("")
  126. [22:25] bbn sorry mama i understand my question is stupid, but i'm following all and i need this information to understand better... the money, coming from tshirts or from donation is for ? not for legal expenses but for organizing the support ?
  127. [22:26] schism yeah well loads of people are selling anon shit, as far as im concerned i dont buy it i do what i do for my own reasons so fuck em
  128. [22:27] xzeropoint */me shrugs and nods.
  129. [22:28] mama bbn when we started this fund, it was because the 14 arrested anons should join San Jose court, some ones most travel 16 hours and sleep in a hotel only to be in the court
  130. [22:28] mama and we expected that they will join the court many many times before the final trial, so we started this fund raising
  131. [22:29] bbn thk
  132. [22:29] mama to pay their fees of travelling etc..
  133. [22:30] bbn i see .. i was missing this part sorry
  134. [22:30] mama but since the team changed, all the chan spirit changed too
  135. [22:31] bbn
  136. [22:31] mama but is living here
  137. [22:33] bbn luckily
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