#nv: ~workshop new
@BB-8-NU: A new workshop session was created
 SS2 Shadestep: from then on it will start saving lovs
#nv: smh Eternally
@Eternally: lol
#nv: You didn't learn from yesterday's debacle
#nv: :P
+A: so specs taria
+A: should be used to complement a physical attacker
#nv: ~workshop add Specs Altaria
@BB-8-NU: Specs Altaria added
+A: draco/fire blast/?/?
#nv: !ms special, altaria, all
+A: ~~solarbeam~~
+A: run iron tail for carbink ooo
 SS2 Shadestep: it doesnt get anything cool
 SS2 Shadestep: ice beam i guess
+A: i bet 10 bucks heal bell is a filler
#nv: Oh Dragon Pulse and HP Grass maybe
#nv: Oh wait no
@Eternally: just run Draco/Fire Blast/Rest/Filler imo
#nv: Rest
#nv: Yea
+A: rest yh
+A: nc rest is nice
#nv: Mhm
+A: are you planning on bulky
+A: or just creeping up to samurott
#nv: It makes us less reliant on hazard control too
#nv: I feel like we should creep Samurott
#nv: Esp. since we lose to Special Rott
+A: modest since overall lack of power?
#nv: y
@Eternally: always modest
#nv: Hey erisia n_n
+erisia: hi
+erisia: !dt altaria
+A: 72 HP/252+ SPA/184 spe
 xboxking97: altaria is in bl guys we cant use it
@Jarii: also
+A: xboxking97 that's mega taria lol
#nv: Yea
@Jarii: wait with the last move on alt
+A: 184 spe gives you 242 speed which probably creeps mons that try to creep samurott/base 60s with 241
#nv: Rn Jarii it is filler
+A: ~~tbh i wanted lo mixtaria with eq to bop lanturn kek~~
@erisia: yeah i don't think we need more speed than that
#nv: lol A
#nv: I agree that spread is nice
@erisia: but maybe just say 180 Spe on the forum thread to avoid speed creepiness
+A: yh
+A: 184 is our little secret
 xboxking97: we can run pluck for chesnaught
@Eternally: chesnaught is UU
+A: xboxking this is NU, not UU :o
+A: no chesnaught here
 xboxking97: oh this is nu
 xboxking97: bye
@Eternally: LOL
#nv: lol
@erisia: lol
+A: there's a nu tour in tournaments
 Shadestep: test
+A: im bringing whatever things  I can find
 Shadestep: ok hi!
#nv: Side note I may try and start these for UU because they would be fun
@Eternally: o/
#nv: But anyways
#nv: Shadestep n_n
@erisia: so draco meteor / fire blast / rest / ???
 Shadestep: nv n___n
+A: nv uu isn't a fun tier tho :(
@Eternally: Dragon Pulse?
#nv: I agree about the current UU A Dx
+A: hp grass apparently
%Shadestep: draco fire blast dragon pulse rest
#nv: And yea Eternally that is prob best filler
%Shadestep: on specs yes
@erisia: !ms altaria, special, bp > 80
%Shadestep: it doesnt get anything cool aside from that
%Shadestep: maybe toxic
@Jarii: ice beam
+A: ib can hit uh
@erisia: moonblast hits malamar i guess?
+A: claydol or something
@Eternally: Moonblast would be ok but it doesnt even 2HKO Hariyama
@Eternally: oh tru hits malamar
@Jarii: rhydon A
#nv: How much does it do?
 GrilledClawitzer: Altaria gets Haze :o
@erisia: yeah but what does draco do? i presume the same but with a SpA drop
+A: Jarii right donny too
@Eternally: 252+ SpA Choice Specs Altaria Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Malamar: 196-232 (52.1 - 61.7%) -- 96.9% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
@Eternally: 252+ SpA Choice Specs Altaria Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Malamar: 202-238 (53.7 - 63.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
@erisia: that's fine, we outspeed and can hit it on the switch
@erisia: moonblast 2hkoes when draco doesn't
#nv: Hmm
%Shadestep: so draco / fireblast / moonblast / rest
+A: ~~hp bug~~
%Shadestep: ?
@erisia: we're giving this thing spike support anyways right so idk
+A: but yeah draco/fire/mb/rest
+A: unless you want something baller like iron tail to hit dem carbink
@Jarii: i can live with that
#nv: Lol
#nv: I like Moonblast
 GrilledClawitzer: Draco / Haze / Roost / Heal Bell :(
@Eternally: wait so we arent creeping ada chan
%Shadestep: ues
%Shadestep: roost heal bell on specs
 GrilledClawitzer: Oh specs
 GrilledClawitzer: D:
+A: Shadestep n
@erisia: lololol
@erisia: in case you get knocked off
+A: we dont even kill hitmonchan
#nv: Eternally, that could be an option with Moonblast
+A: i doubt that we do
%Shadestep: true erisia
#nv: 252+ SpA Choice Specs Altaria Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Hitmonchan: 210-248 (87.1 - 102.9%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO
+A: ooh
+A: yeah you can run more speed
%Shadestep: flex
@erisia: thart's a good point we should creep adamant chan with moonblast
@Eternally: Draco is 31.3%
+A: one sec
@erisia: especially as we can switch into fighting-type moves fairly well
#nv: ^
+A: 32 HP/252 SPA/224 SPE
%Shadestep: might as well run max speed then
%Shadestep: i dont think the minimal HP investment is worth it
@Eternally: yeah at that point just tie with neutral base 80's instead
@erisia: yeah
+A: yeah.
 dicklessmonster: yes :)
@erisia: we also lure a spinner with moonblast vs AV, so that synergises well with spikes
@Jarii: I mean Shadestep is there anything you can outspeed in between that/
%Shadestep: speed creep mons
@erisia: speaking of which i actually really like defensive omastar as a partner
@Jarii: like what
%Shadestep: like mons that creep adamant chan
@Eternally: xatu I guess
@Jarii: I really dislike defensive omastar
#nv: Same erisia
%Shadestep: i dig omastar
#nv: rip Jarii
@Jarii: Like the things it supposed to check
#nv: I will admit Omastar is a really nice hazards mon
@Jarii: It doesnt
@Eternally: Defensive Oma needs shuca to check the stuff it wants to check
@erisia: we can run offensive lead omastar ^_^
@Jarii: like it get 2 hit ko'ed by tauros
#nv: Lol erisia
@Jarii: Eternally gets it
@erisia: or we can be really boring and use garb (which gets mega audino)
+A: z-wing
%Shadestep: id just use shell smash on omastar regardless of if youre using offensive or defensive
#nv: 252 Atk Life Orb Tauros Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Omastar: 146-174 (42.5 - 50.7%) -- 43.8% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery rip
%Shadestep: thats not a 2hko!
#nv: Lmao
#nv: erisia is prob right though
@erisia: yeah that's a roll but it's decent
#nv: Being boring = Garb
#nv: Being unique = Oma
#nv: :P
#nv: Well "unique"
+A: !ds spikes, nu
%Shadestep: garb
@Eternally: n, being unique = bunnelby
%Shadestep: garb garb garb
@erisia: altaria can also come in on most grass types
%Shadestep: !!!!!
+A: run fear spikes bunnelby
@erisia: i haven't seen defensive omastar in ages
+A: !learn bunnelby, spikes, endeavor, quick attack,
#nv: I love Defensive Oma
@Jarii: being unique
@Jarii: Is quilladin
#nv: So I am personally biased
#nv: I say our option is Garb or Oma
@Eternally: The problem I have with defensive Oma is 1, you need another normal check, and 2, we're already weak to lanturn 2 mons in
%Shadestep: garb
+A: expert belt golurk seems legit
@Jarii: garb synergies way yoo well actually
 GrilledClawitzer: idk, oma doubles as an ice resist
 GrilledClawitzer: which altaria appreciates
@Jarii: !dt omastar
%Shadestep: not really an ice resist
+A: doesnt like rott anyway
%Shadestep: jynx focus blasts it
@erisia: well not a freeze dry resist but it's okay i guess
%Shadestep: aurorus freezedries it
+A: also yeah jynx maims it
%Shadestep: Glaceon blows it back with ice beam
@Eternally: Psychic prob 2hkos from jynx
%Shadestep: yup yup
#nv: Ok so Garb then?
#nv: Or is there something else?
+A: scarf petal dance
+A: what am i facing
+A: he thinks crit yamam cc mattered vs liligant
@erisia: i mean if we run oma we don't need to pick another rocker
%Shadestep: a we're doing a workshop D:
 lowladderheroes: love when people "know" the calcs
#nv: Yea erisia
+A: sorry :(
#nv: With Garb we have to find a Rocker
#nv: Actually
 lowladderheroes: lix?
#nv: Thoughts on Pilo + Garb
#nv: For hazard stack
+A: wouldnt
#nv: Lix could work too
+A: special rott
@erisia: nice normal resist
+A: eat us out
#nv: Yea... :/
@erisia: we did garb + lix yesterday :/
@Eternally: Metang
#nv: Yea :/
 GrilledClawitzer: Miltank?
@erisia: oh wait, no we didn't
 lowladderheroes: bronzong?
 lowladderheroes: zor*
@erisia: we changed it to skunk
#nv: Lol Metang
%Shadestep: yo metang
 GrilledClawitzer: Does Miltank count as an ice resist? :(
@erisia: i feel like altaria is sufficient meme for this team
@Eternally: lol
#nv: Yea
@Eternally: could always go crustle with rocks/spikes
 orphic: oo
@Jarii: why not
@Eternally: welcome orphic
#nv: Hey Orphic n_n
@erisia: crustle is cool but i think omastar has better synergy with alt
@Jarii: garb / pilo / lanturn
#nv: Still no Normal resist Jarii :/
%Shadestep: garb pilo lanturn when u wanna be crushed by Tauros
%Shadestep: yea that
+A: seems as if everything we do either melts to tauros
+A: or special rott
#nv: I honestly like Oma + Altaria
@erisia: so what special rott checks exist
 gyro: what have we got so far boys?
 gyro: (and girls)
#nv: ~workshop team
@BB-8-NU: Specs Altaria
%Shadestep: hey dont exclude me
%Shadestep: ah :)
#nv: That is it lol
+A: i think I just meme around special rott lmao
#nv: Hmm
@Jarii: lanturn mantine and poliwrath erisia
#nv: Special Rott checks
#nv: Yea
 lowladderheroes: wrath looks good
+A: poliwrath can check aggron too
@erisia: eh maybe we should patch that up later
+Orphic: whats the team so far
+Orphic: whats the core n stuff
@erisia: we need to focus on the essentials for now
%Shadestep: specs altaria
%Shadestep: was the idea
+Orphic: i can help for 15 mins then i have to go again sigh
@erisia: and either oma or garb
%Shadestep: starting point*
@erisia: for hazards
+Orphic: hm, i'd say garb
+A: garb lix
+A: y/n
+Orphic: garb is more reliable, and helps the team with an initial fighting check
@erisia: sure
@erisia: i can get behind garb
%Shadestep: altaria / garbodor / lix?
+Orphic: sounds fine
%Shadestep: for a psychic resist
%Shadestep: + rocks
+Orphic: yeah man
#nv: ~workshop add Garbodor
@BB-8-NU: Garbodor added
@erisia: dat edgequake weakness
#nv: ~workshop add Tank Lix
@BB-8-NU: Tank Lix added
#nv: Yea
#nv: We need an Ice / Special Rott check now
+Orphic: lanturn = ice resist and volt switch
#nv: Hmm
+Orphic: special rott check
+A: i thought we wanted poliwrath
+Orphic: but idk how really standard you wanna go
+Orphic: poliwrath works
+A: hm
@erisia: i really don't like relying on water types as ice resists
%Shadestep: if we find out we're really weak to edgequake we could always go Weezing > Garbodor
%Shadestep: later
#nv: Well we are already pretty non-standard with Altaria Orphic lol
@erisia: we need an ice, fire, or thick fat mon imo
#nv: And same erisia
@Jarii: Shadestep learn how to prepare for DD don
+A: ice/fire kinda sucks since sr so maybe thick fat
@Jarii: learns*
+A: you could run SR thick fat miltank
@erisia: what about altaria / omastar / weezing
@erisia: then we don't have the tauros weakness
+Orphic: ok then grumpig
@erisia: and we still have the mega dino check
+Orphic: or hariyama
@Eternally: that sounds good erisia
#nv: Hmm ok
@Eternally: we'd still be weak to zen headbutt tauros
%Shadestep: ye
@Eternally: but eh
#nv: Do I do ~workshop delete to get rid of a mon?
%Shadestep: yes
#nv: And how common is ZHB Tauros rn Eternally?
+Orphic: hm
+Orphic: its the most common
@Eternally: fairly common if you wanna do damage to rotom
#nv: ~workshop delete Garbodor
@BB-8-NU: Unrecognized command: delete Garbodor
%Shadestep: huh
#nv: rip
@Eternally: ~workshop remove garbodor
@BB-8-NU: garbodor is not in the team
+Orphic: its okay we can still add a steelix if you want
%Shadestep: oh right
#nv: ~workshop team
@BB-8-NU: Specs Altaria / Garbodor / Tank Lix
#nv: :/
 lowladderheroes: lol
%Shadestep: steelix :D
@Eternally: ~worshop remove Garbodor
+Orphic: ~workshop remove Garbodor
@BB-8-NU: Only the workshop host or a Room Moderator can remove Pokemon
@Jarii: nv you have to remove it
+Orphic: rip
+Orphic: its cap sensitive
%Shadestep: ~warn Orphic, hi
+Orphic: thats why
@Eternally: ~garbodor remove workshop
@BB-8-NU: Analysis: http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/garbodor/
#nv: ~workshop remove Garbodor
@BB-8-NU: Garbodor removed
%Shadestep: oh
@Jarii: see
%Shadestep: :(
+Orphic: lol
+Orphic: hi Shadestep
#nv: ~workshop remove Tank Lix
@BB-8-NU: Tank Lix removed
%Shadestep: ~mute Orphic, hi
%Shadestep: WTF
#nv: ~workshop add Omastar
@BB-8-NU: Omastar added
+Orphic: its /mute
+Orphic: idiot
#nv: ~workshop add Weezing
@BB-8-NU: Weezing added
@Eternally: lol
+Orphic: don't do it
#nv: ~workshop team
@BB-8-NU: Specs Altaria / Omastar / Weezing
@erisia: so we have all three hazards, probably need a spinner now
@Jarii: Oh wait
%Shadestep: :)
+Orphic: we do still need a psychic check
+Orphic: ice beam eball mesprit 1v1s us
@Jarii: done
@erisia: and a spinblocker
%Shadestep: ues
%Shadestep: i hate Jarii
#nv: !ds rapid spin, nu
+Orphic: can we use malamar for defog blocker
+Orphic: n_n
@erisia: what about mismagius
#nv: Lol Orphic
@erisia: taunt defoggers
@Jarii: ~workshop team
@BB-8-NU: Specs Altaria / Omastar / Weezing
%Shadestep: i always use garbodor as my spinblocker
+Orphic: ^^
#nv: Mismagius + Omastar = <3
+Orphic: mismagius is fine, but i dont class it as a psychic check
+Orphic: it doesnt check specs mesprt
#nv: Yea
@Jarii: Where is spiritomb when you need it
#nv: Ikr Jarii
@erisia: !ds ghost type, taunt, nu
@erisia: dusknoir confirmed
@Eternally: I found a good spinblocker + specs mesprit check
+A: free cofagrigus
@Eternally: !dt shedninja
@Eternally: ez
#nv: :O Eternally you meme you
#nv: :P
%Shadestep: omg
%Shadestep: dibs next workshop
%Shadestep: with sheddy
#nv: ^
#nv: Tbf Sheddy sort of works on this team ngl
%Shadestep: lol appearently im a cheater and am not even supposed to be able to make groupchats
%Shadestep: huehue
+Orphic: hue
%Shadestep: eh i dont like sheddy since you really have to focus on its weaknesses
%Shadestep: for it to be able to work
@Eternally: yeah
+Orphic: okay so is misgmagius what we're going with
+Orphic: can't we use like
+Orphic: lix + rotom
@erisia: yeah we should save it for another workshop
#nv: ^
%Shadestep: so altaria / gabrodor / steelix / mismag?
+Orphic: no
%Shadestep: o
#nv: Orphic is saying Lix + Rotom
+Orphic: omastar, altaria, garb
+Orphic: oh sorry
+Orphic: weezing > garb
#nv: The problem with that is Orphic
+Orphic: and lix + rotom > mismagius
#nv: !learn Rotom, Taunt
+A: anyway uh i can't really
+A: stay for long.
+A: you guys have fun
+Orphic: !learn steelix, taunt
#nv: That was the main reason erisia brought up Mismagius
@erisia: either mismagius or haunter imo
%Shadestep: just run taunt weezing
#nv: And mfw Taunt on a slow af mon lol
%Shadestep: then?
+Orphic: taunt weezing yeah
@erisia: actually that's true weezing has taunt
#nv: Taunt Weezing sounds nice
%Shadestep: taunt lix is mostly for ferroseed
@erisia: so we can use any ghost really
+Orphic: rotom + lix
@erisia: !ds ghost type, nu
@erisia: rip
+Orphic: psychic check + volt switch
@erisia: what about GOLURK
@erisia: ROCK POLISH GOLURK
+Orphic: okay i gotta take my brother to work
@Jarii: !ds ghost type, pu
@Jarii: why not just
+Orphic: rip, will be back soon hopefully
@Jarii: gourgeist
@erisia: cya
@erisia: yeah gourgeist could work
@Eternally: gourgeist sounds good
%Shadestep: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/ae/1c/e1/ae1ce1d3d813e849080ac4fbdae387fc.gif
 lucianvega: hi whats the theme bois
%Shadestep: me irl
@erisia: lol this is turning into semi stall with specs altaria
 yogibears: so, what we doing here :3
@Eternally: specs altaria lucianveg
 lucianvega: uhh
@Eternally: *luciavega
 lucianvega: tauros is great partner trust me
@Eternally: *Lucianvega lol
 yogibears: specs alt, loving it already
@erisia: ~workshop team
@BB-8-NU: Specs Altaria / Omastar / Weezing
@erisia: ~workshop remove Omastar
@BB-8-NU: Omastar removed
@erisia: ~workshop add Def Omastar
@BB-8-NU: Def Omastar added
#nv: Lol
 yogibears: lol, I was just about to ask what kind xD
 yogibears: read my mind
#nv: ~workshop remove Weezing
 lucianvega: oh wait i didnt know that command existed
@BB-8-NU: Weezing removed
#nv: ~workshop add Taunt Weezing
@BB-8-NU: Taunt Weezing added
@erisia: lol that's standard
 lucianvega: defensie omastar is pretty cool
#nv: Ok so we need a Ghost type
#nv: And personally I am in favor of Gourgeist
 lucianvega: scarf rotom
@erisia: mismagius / rotom / gourgeist
 carcy: Lanturn needs to be on this team too
 lucianvega: is always pretty cool
#nv: Although we will need a serious Ice check
 lucianvega: weezing is fighting check, so rootm can be cool speed control and scarfer
 yogibears: yeh, aurorus destroys this team atm
@erisia: !dt lampent
 lucianvega: rotom*
@Jarii: geist is also a decently SD samu check
@Jarii: LAMPENT
#nv: How heat do you want this team to be erisia? lol
@Eternally: very heat if we're using lampent
 lrigteertsnug: guys, sorry but I came late: what are we building?
 yogibears: scarf lamp y/y/y
%Shadestep: specs altaria
#nv: ~workshop team
@BB-8-NU: Specs Altaria / Def Omastar / Taunt Weezing
#nv: Lrig Teerts Nug
@erisia: can someone actually make a lampent team lol, with eviolite i doubt it'd even be that bad
@Eternally: Specs Altaria Lrig Teerts Nug
 lrigteertsnug: thanks guys, sorry for the bother
#nv: mfw this workshop is about finding mons for future workshops lmao
#nv: No problem Lrig Teerts Nug
@erisia: anyways i gtg but i'll be back later
%Shadestep: pce
@Eternally: cya
 lrigteertsnug: specs altaria seems very heath
%Shadestep: can someone list the actual team for me 1 more time
%Shadestep: D;
#nv: ~workshop team
@BB-8-NU: Specs Altaria / Def Omastar / Taunt Weezing
+lucianvega: rotom scarf
 lrigteertsnug: don't we die to jynx atm?
+lucianvega: spinblocker speed control!
#nv: So Scarf Tom or Geist
%Shadestep: geist
 yogibears: we die to jynx and aurorus atm
 lrigteertsnug: yes
+lucianvega: gourgeist weezing core is eh
@Eternally: every team dies to jynx
 lrigteertsnug: expecially jynx
#nv: Eternally is right
+lucianvega: gourgeist will just stack weakness and
#nv: Not much you can do about that lol
+lucianvega: half team perform gourgeist role already
 yogibears: tru, but we still don't wanna stack that ice weakness
+lucianvega: normal check, fighting check
 lrigteertsnug: we can always use grumpig once again
@Eternally: unless we go metang > omastar
 lrigteertsnug: ahahah
%Shadestep: yes
%Shadestep: i approve
%Shadestep: of metang
%Shadestep: its not a meme mon
%Shadestep: its actually o-k ish
 lrigteertsnug: spdef metang?
#nv: We lose Spikes then tho
 lrigteertsnug: or just tank
@Eternally: weezing still gives us tspikes
#nv: And we want Spikes support for Alt
@Eternally: fair enough
#nv: TSpikes doesn't weaken Steel-types tho
#nv: Personally I like lucian's suggestion of Scarf Rotom
#nv: But idk
 lrigteertsnug: scarf rotom is still outsped by jynx
#nv: Only Scarf Jynx tho
 lrigteertsnug: well yes, I always forgot about sash 'cause I like scarf way more
+lucianvega: gourgeist role of fighting check/normal check is performed by omastar and weezing so im not rly a fan of it
+lucianvega: since we have much else to cover
+lucianvega: id rather focus on that
#nv: Eternally, Jarii, Shadestep, thoughts on Scarf Rotom?
@Jarii: ~workshop team
@BB-8-NU: Specs Altaria / Def Omastar / Taunt Weezing
 lrigteertsnug: nv, what scarf rotom would accomplisgh?
 lrigteertsnug: *accomplish
@Jarii: okay but one thing
+lucianvega: spinblocker
 lrigteertsnug: mh
@Jarii: volt switch is a thing
#nv: Speed control + spinblocker
#nv: !ds ground type, nu
+lucianvega: rocks + spikes on omastar imo
+lucianvega: we will need secondary psychic check, magmortar/ice check
 lrigteertsnug: skuntank?
 lrigteertsnug: seems cool to trap other rotoms as well
+lucianvega: naa
 lrigteertsnug: besides, I don't like the 0 electric immunity
 yogibears: skunk isn't a mag or ice check
 lrigteertsnug: Idk if you are ok with that
+lucianvega: damn i rly had a pokemon in mind rn and then i forgot what was it lol
#nv: lol lucian
 lrigteertsnug: yogibears, well it was a secondary psychic check
 yogibears: just use frillish imo
 lrigteertsnug: not the second half
 yogibears: ez
+lucianvega: also Yama could check fire ice , special waters with guts set
+lucianvega: since omastar+ yama are together decent fire check
 lrigteertsnug: mh, Idk
@Jarii: What are we winter's howl?
 lrigteertsnug: I feel like many fire types run HP Grass now
#nv: LOL
+lucianvega: they do Lrig Teerts Nug
@Jarii: that yama is our water check
+lucianvega: which means we can pivot
#nv: They do because of sht like Gastrodon
@Eternally: every fire type is running either hp grass or focus blast
 lrigteertsnug: into Yama?
 yogibears: frillish is ez
 yogibears: takes like nothing from any spa
+lucianvega: pivoting between omastar+ yama , yes Lrig Teerts Nug
 lrigteertsnug: Eternally tbf I run both on my Magmortar in one team
+lucianvega: magmortar is cool and all, but
+lucianvega: i consider it a  fire check mostly on offense
 lrigteertsnug: really love magmortar, probably my favourite mon in NU
+lucianvega: it covers a lot of things
@Eternally: lucianvega true
 lrigteertsnug: I'm asking again
 lrigteertsnug: are you ok with 0 electric immunity?
#nv: So Scarf Rotom + Magmortar?!
 yogibears: what's our team atm
#nv: ~workshop team
@BB-8-NU: Specs Altaria / Def Omastar / Taunt Weezing
+lucianvega: id kinda lead to hariyama tbh
@Jarii: no speed no electric check
 yogibears: yama imo
 lrigteertsnug: yeah
 lrigteertsnug: as Jarii said
@Eternally: tauros still 6-0s us
+lucianvega: ye, we will need electric immunity for sure
 lrigteertsnug: I would like an electric immunity
 lrigteertsnug: Eternally, tauros 6-0s everything
 yogibears: lantern >.>
 lrigteertsnug: ahahah
#nv: !ds ground type, nu
+lucianvega: agreed with Jarii, i never miss electric imunity when teambuilding
 lrigteertsnug: nv, are you forgetting lanturn?
 lrigteertsnug: jk jk
+lucianvega: um steelix could be cool for psychic resist
#nv: Lanturn too lol
+lucianvega: nvm
@Eternally: im really not feeling defensive omastar tbh
+lucianvega: forgot we had rocker lol
@Eternally: I think its really mediocre ngl
+lucianvega: nahh
 lrigteertsnug: I quote Eternally
 yogibears: maybe switch it to rhydon
+lucianvega: its rly cool but
+lucianvega: not for all teams
 yogibears: for a decent way of dealing with tauros
 lrigteertsnug: tho I'm unexperienced, so it's up to you
#nv: I like it as a partner for Alt
#nv: But it may not fit
@Eternally: yes lucianvega
+lucianvega: bbl guys
@Eternally: k
 yogibears: bye
%Shadestep: hey sorry i was gone
%Shadestep: what happened?
+lucianvega: cya
@Eternally: shadestep
 lrigteertsnug: may I say a bad joke?
#nv: Still discussing sht Shadestep lol
@Eternally: thoughts on lix > omastar
#nv: No Lrig Teerts Nug
%Shadestep: yes
%Shadestep: i dig it
@Jarii: hmm
 lrigteertsnug: what if we use toxic spikes yamask?
 lrigteertsnug: sorry
%Shadestep: -
@Eternally: -
 lrigteertsnug: never doing it again
%Shadestep: we forgive u this time
 lrigteertsnug: thanks
@Jarii: why not regirock weezing rock polish torterra?
%Shadestep: no problem.
#nv: Ok so we going Lix > Oma then?
 lrigteertsnug: wait, why lix and not rhydon?
%Shadestep: psychic resist
 lrigteertsnug: if we want a solid way to check tauros
#nv: Tort + Alt = click x when Jynx is seen Jarii
@Jarii: I mean
 lrigteertsnug: I thought we wanted a way to check tauros
 lrigteertsnug: did I got it wrong?
@Jarii: you have 2 slots left for that
@Jarii: and regi is a okay check
 lrigteertsnug: regi?
 lrigteertsnug: we're talking about lix
@Eternally: Steelix helps us check mega audino as well which altaria likes
 lrigteertsnug: I'm getting lost
 lrigteertsnug: Eternally, don't we have weezing?
@Eternally: I'd go with Regi or Lix
 yogibears: 252 Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Tauros Iron Tail vs. 252 HP / 16+ Def Regirock: 151-179 (41.4 - 49.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
@Eternally: We have weezing, but im just saying its another benefit of running lix
 yogibears: 4 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Tauros Fire Blast vs. 244 HP / 128 SpD Steelix: 159-187 (45.1 - 53.1%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
 lrigteertsnug: yeah, regi is better
#nv: I also like Regi because TWave spam although it kind of is counter-intuitive with Weezing
 lrigteertsnug: tho I always run a bit more spdef on steelix just to avoid that 0.4% chance
%Shadestep: ~workshop team
@BB-8-NU: Specs Altaria / Def Omastar / Taunt Weezing
#nv: ~workshop remove Def Omastar
@BB-8-NU: Def Omastar removed
#nv: So Lix or Regi?
 lrigteertsnug: I vote for regi
%Shadestep: lix
@Jarii: reglix
 connni: is this an NU workshop?
 connni: :)
%Shadestep: ues
 connni: cool
#nv: Eternally, looks like you are tiebreaker :o
 yogibears: well, I vote regi personally, if it counts
%Shadestep: or you
@Eternally: or you nv o:
#nv: Lol
 lrigteertsnug: or gyro, low ladder heroes, etc...
@Eternally: ok yogi votes regi, i vote lix
@Eternally: now you're the tiebreaker
 yogibears: x.x
 lrigteertsnug: ahahah
#nv: I like Lix tbh...we just would need a serious Ice resist
 yogibears: eternally just being awkward lol
%Shadestep: nevermind idig regi too it looks better
#nv: Lmao
%Shadestep: but then we definitely need a lilligant to make the team look prettier
%Shadestep: :3
#nv: Regi it is then
 lrigteertsnug: lilligant is so cool
#nv: ~workshop add Regirock
@BB-8-NU: Regirock added
@Jarii: Shadestep still with the thing his team needs to look pretty ic
#nv: So do we still want Weezing?
@Jarii: ngl
%Shadestep: color synergy > team synergy
 lrigteertsnug: why not? it helps vs audino
%Shadestep: yes nv
@Jarii: This is the longest workshop i have been in
#nv: Then we need something > TWave on Regi
 lrigteertsnug: and checking fighting types is always nice
#nv: Since TWave + TSpikes
#nv: Seems awkward
#nv: And lol Jarii
 lrigteertsnug: why so?
 lowladderheroes: sorry was afk
#nv: All good LLH
 lowladderheroes: whats the team so far
 lrigteertsnug: regirock, altaria, weezing
#nv: ~workshop team
@BB-8-NU: Specs Altaria / Taunt Weezing / Regirock
 lrigteertsnug: a-ha, ninjad
#nv: Ok so we need an Ice resist right?
 lrigteertsnug: yes
 lowladderheroes: y
#nv: And something for Water-types
 lrigteertsnug: av magmortar + gastrodon?
@Eternally: back
@Jarii: lapras
 yogibears: lant, frillish
@Jarii: !
#nv: Wb Eternally :)
@Eternally: what do we have so far
#nv: Lol Jarii
#nv: ~workshop team
@BB-8-NU: Specs Altaria / Taunt Weezing / Regirock
%Shadestep: altaria / weezing / regirock
 lrigteertsnug: Eternally, regirock, altaria, weezing
@Eternally: kk
 yogibears: we could also run grumping as a soft check to psychic too
 lowladderheroes: it checks ice types relatively well
#nv: Yea we need Ice, Water, and Psychic checks
 lrigteertsnug: I suggested it, but the suggestiong fell apart
 lrigteertsnug: *suggestion
 lrigteertsnug: so I thought it wasn't a good idea
@Jarii: grumpig does 2 and another fighting check
#nv: Yea
#nv: Grumpig is looking to be a really nice fit
#nv: Do we want CM 3 Atks?
%Shadestep: :pig:
 lrigteertsnug: nv, is there another set in NU?
%Shadestep: we definitely want HW support
#nv: Stallbreaker
%Shadestep: with grumpig
 lrigteertsnug: with taunt?
 yogibears: av can be run sometimes
#nv: !ds healing wish, nu
 lrigteertsnug: Lilligant with HW
 yogibears: lili
#nv: ~~Scarf Lilligant~~
 lrigteertsnug: it's a water check
 yogibears: scarf lili is heat ngl
%Shadestep: i was thinking scarf lilli too
#nv: ~workshop add CM Grumpig
@BB-8-NU: CM Grumpig added
 lowladderheroes: this team is becoming more heat
%Shadestep: we have plenty switch-ins for Garbodor
%Shadestep: so thats ok
#nv: Mhm
 lrigteertsnug: Why scarf tho? Wouldn't it be better to have QD + 2 attcks + HW?
 yogibears: we have a spinner yet?
%Shadestep: QD + healing wish
 lowladderheroes: not yet
%Shadestep: nah
#nv: ~workshop team
@BB-8-NU: Specs Altaria / Taunt Weezing / Regirock / CM Grumpig
@Jarii: ~workshop team
@BB-8-NU: Specs Altaria / Taunt Weezing / Regirock / CM Grumpig
@Eternally: we're slow anyway so scarf would help with that
 lrigteertsnug: well, when you're about to die without killing the other back
@Jarii: Also hazard removal looks needed
%Shadestep: yeah tspikes messes this team up
 yogibears: I say scarf lili and LO chan tbh
 lrigteertsnug: ^
 lrigteertsnug: Chan looks very nice to check tauros
%Shadestep: should we put twave on grumpig
 lrigteertsnug: it checks jynx too with mach punch
#nv: Tbh we could just not run TSpikes on Weezing and run SR + TWave on Regirock so Tauros isn't an issue
 lowladderheroes: twave 2 attack?
 lrigteertsnug: nv, chan checks scarf jynx too, 'cause mach punch does 2000 IIrc
#nv: And then run Special Skunk as a Defogger
#nv: Lol Grumpig is a solid enough Jynx check
#nv: Ofc you have to make sure something else gets put to sleep tho
%Shadestep: leaf storm / giga drain / HP rock / healing wish @ choice scarf lilligant
 lrigteertsnug: I'll trust you
#nv: ~workshop add Scarf Lilligant
@BB-8-NU: Scarf Lilligant added
 lrigteertsnug: why not energy ball over drain?
 lowladderheroes: sustain
#nv: To keep it healthy throughout
 lrigteertsnug: K
 yogibears: if we are not using t-spikes, we could run a defogger
#nv: Yea
 lrigteertsnug: yeah yogi, nv suggested skuntank
#nv: I like Skunk in the last slot
 lowladderheroes: acid defog fire dp?
#nv: HP Grass > Acid
%Shadestep: ^
#nv: For Gastro
#nv: And Don
#nv: Speaking of
#nv: We can afford Shuca no?
@Jarii: who whould have wished sceptile was still here now
#nv: ^
@Eternally: free sceptile
%Shadestep: no
%Shadestep: fuck sceptile
 lowladderheroes: lol
%Shadestep: LOL
%Shadestep: that thing was hella bork
 yogibears: wait
@Eternally: free sawk, free typh, free tomb
 lowladderheroes: abolish BLs
 lrigteertsnug: I didn't like sceptile
 lrigteertsnug: I wish sawk was still here tho
 yogibears: team?
#nv: ~workshop team
@BB-8-NU: Specs Altaria / Taunt Weezing / Regirock / CM Grumpig / Scarf Lilligant
%Shadestep: + skunk last
 lrigteertsnug: wait
%Shadestep: right?
 lrigteertsnug: skuntank?
 lrigteertsnug: yeah
#nv: Ok
@Eternally: you know what we dont have
@Eternally: priority
#nv: ~workshop add Defog Skuntank
@BB-8-NU: Defog Skuntank added
#nv: Yea :/
#nv: We have TWave on Regirock tho Eternally
 lrigteertsnug: yeah, but at the same time smashers don't really setup on anything
 yogibears: rip sub viv
#nv: Plus Scarf Lilli
#nv: So we have speed control
 lrigteertsnug: scarf lilli outspeeds vivi at +1
 lrigteertsnug: the only thing is
 lrigteertsnug: opposing lilli seems annoying
 lrigteertsnug: no wait, we have skuntank, nvm
%Shadestep: not really
#nv: And we have Alt
%Shadestep: we have skuntank and weezing
%Shadestep: and altaria yea
 lrigteertsnug: well, alt dies to HP Ice I think
@Eternally: Most lilligant use hp fire/rock
#nv: ^
 lrigteertsnug: I prefer rock myself
 lrigteertsnug: but I saw Ice
#nv: Ok so
#nv: Time to fill in sets
#nv: Alt is Draco, FIre Blast, Rest, Moonblast, right?
 lrigteertsnug: Moonblast for what?
#nv: Hitmonchan + Malamar
 yogibears: mal
 lrigteertsnug: oh malamar
 lrigteertsnug: right
%Shadestep: yes nightmare vampire
 lowladderheroes: max max modest
%Shadestep: >:D
 lrigteertsnug: hate malamar
#nv: It nabs the 2HKO on Mal w/o forcing it to go for Draco
#nv: And how rood you share my secret indentity Shadestep :o
%Shadestep: :o
@Eternally: o:
%Shadestep: we also have weezing for malamar so that isnt really a problem
 lowladderheroes: o
#nv: Anyways Regi is Rocks, TWave, Stone Edge, EQ?
@Jarii: y
 lrigteertsnug: wait, I prefer rock tomb
%Shadestep: no
%Shadestep: we have twave
 lrigteertsnug: I know, but does stone edge really secure any 2hko over tomb?
 yogibears: fast or bulky specs alt?
 lrigteertsnug: it's inaccurate and has low PP
#nv: Fast yogibears
#nv: Max SpA / Max Spe Modest
 lrigteertsnug: if all I'd run rock slide
 lrigteertsnug: unless ofc there's some 2hko I'm missing, which is more than likely
#nv: I mean TWave + Rock Slide = paraflinching
#nv: But Stone Edge is just overall more powerful
 lrigteertsnug: nv but does it get some notable 2hko?
#nv: Idk lol
 lrigteertsnug: I'm just asking, it's not like I'm sure
#nv: Yea
 lrigteertsnug: I don't want to sound arrogant, sorry
 lrigteertsnug: I'm just wondering
#nv: Anyways Weezing is Taunt, Wisp, STAB, and...?
 yogibears: pain split
 lrigteertsnug: pain split?
%Shadestep: tspikes
%Shadestep: right
@Eternally: tspikes
 yogibears: n
%Shadestep: why wouldnt you run tspikes
 lrigteertsnug: didn't we say we don't run tspikes?
%Shadestep: ..
 yogibears: we have a defogger
 lrigteertsnug: 'cause we have a defogger
 lrigteertsnug: yeah
#nv: I thought we weren't running them :/
 lrigteertsnug: precisely
 yogibears: that's anti-productive
@Eternally: Its not like ur clicking defog the same turn as you click tspikes though lol
%Shadestep: ^
#nv: True
 lrigteertsnug: mmh... what if we run flamethrower to prevent klinklang to setup?
@Eternally: I just never find pain split that useful
%Shadestep: klinklang s super irrelevant
%Shadestep: dont worry about that
 lrigteertsnug: Ok
#nv: Flamethrower and Fire Blast for Lix tho Eternally :P
 lrigteertsnug: 'cause it actually seems a problem for the team
 lrigteertsnug: if it goes to +2
#nv: But yea ig we can still run TSpikes
@Eternally: who is keeping their steelix in on weezing
#nv: I would just hate to poison Tauros when we want it paralyzed
#nv: Special Lix Eternally that's who
#nv: :P
 yogibears: spa lix eternally
@Eternally: lol
 lrigteertsnug: gtg lunch, team looks fun, hope it would work well
 lrigteertsnug: bye
 yogibears: yeh I agree nv
#nv: I mean if the majority wants TSpikes I am ok with it ig
#nv: I just feel we punish bulky mons anyways
#nv: Since the team has quite a bit of power behind it
 yogibears: means we gotta switch out t-wave on regi
#nv: Yea
#nv: So Eternally and Shadestep, what > TWave on Regi?
@Eternally: you can just slash tspikes and pain split
#nv: Since you guys say TSpikes
@Eternally: because I'd still keep twave for mesprit, flying types etc
%Shadestep: you can still run twave
%Shadestep: for like vivi
%Shadestep: etc
%Shadestep: yeah
#nv: Ok so I will slash it then
@Eternally: You're not being forced to click tspikes, I just find it more useful to have over pain split in most cases
#nv: Grumpig is just CM 3 Attacks right?
@Eternally: especially against the stray stall team
@Eternally: and ya
#nv: Anfd that is true Eternally
#nv: Moreso it is an option
#nv: Rather than the goal of the team
 yogibears: brb
#nv: Ok so Scarf Lilli is Petal Dance, Giga, HP Rock, HW right Shadestep?
%Shadestep: yep
%Shadestep: oh no
%Shadestep: leaf storm
%Shadestep: actually
#nv: Oh :o
%Shadestep: since petal dance locks you in
%Shadestep: vs things like garbodor
#nv: Right
%Shadestep: which can then easily kill u
#nv: And it is a contact move too
%Shadestep: yea
#nv: I.e. Helmet dmg
@Jarii: Is the team done or?
#nv: On Skunk set rn Jarii
@Eternally: pretty much done, just filling in the sets
#nv: Do we want Shuca or LO
@Jarii: ~workshop team
@BB-8-NU: Specs Altaria / Taunt Weezing / Regirock / CM Grumpig / Scarf Lilligant / Defog Skuntank
%Shadestep: whats regirock EVs?
@Jarii: Shuca
#nv: 248 HP / 16 Def / 244 SpD is what I have
#nv: Anything better, Shadestep?
%Shadestep: sure
@Jarii: this thing is almost going for 2 hours damn
#nv: Team is done: http://pastebin.com/mqGbT2tB
#nv: :)
 lowladderheroes: looks good to me
@Jarii: ok who is gonna test it?
%Shadestep: me!! me!1
 lowladderheroes: question
#nv: Ok Shadestep grab a game :)
 lowladderheroes: how well does weezing take banded headsmash
@Jarii: not well
%Shadestep: was skunk just max max?
#nv: Yes
#nv: Modest
%Shadestep: http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-nu-386315610
%Shadestep: in
%Shadestep: ghost me, peasants.
@Jarii: if you lose this Shadestep :x
%Shadestep: will this have ice beam
 Eternally lolz: it shouldn't
#nv: Prob not since Regice
%Shadestep: lol
 lowladderheroes: x
#nv: Ofc the miss
#nv: ...
@Jarii: was nice guys
@Jarii: we lost
@Jarii: lool
#nv: ^
 lowladderheroes: yeah
 lowladderheroes: x
%Shadestep: ?
#nv: Eyy
@Jarii: ofc
#nv: Hax to bring it back :)
@Jarii: lucky
@Jarii: I mean we lose now to dusplocs
%Shadestep: dusplocs
 Eternally lolz: what stops CM Dusclops from sweeping
 lowladderheroes: yeah
%Shadestep: ah the classic
 lowladderheroes: not human
 Eternally lolz: rp twave
%Shadestep: rock polish twave set
 Eternally lolz: lol
 lowladderheroes: good sets
#nv: Wow
#nv: What low ladder sht is this
#nv: ...
%Shadestep: ikr
 lowladderheroes: we call them lord sets
%Shadestep: countered
 lowladderheroes: was grumpig always lefites?
 lowladderheroes: lefties*
@Eternally: the threat is in
#nv: No it should be Colbur :o
%Shadestep: hi sry
%Shadestep: ues hello
%Shadestep: sorry
 lowladderheroes: 0
 lowladderheroes: it feels lacking, relying solely on grumpig as ice switch in
#nv: Yea
#nv: Grumpig as the only Ice switch-in is a bit of a problem
@Eternally: I hate Dusclops so much
#nv: !ds ice type, nu
 lowladderheroes: there is articuno as well
#nv: Yea
 lowladderheroes: as rare as it is
 lowladderheroes: still a threat
#nv: I mean tbf
#nv: Most well built NU teams
#nv: Are Ice weak
#nv: Or only have one Ice switchin
 lowladderheroes: cant argue with it
#nv: I mean that is why Jynx and Aurorus are so threatening
#nv: And tbh
#nv: Grumpig checking Jynx is the main thing to be concerned with
@Jarii: k
@Jarii: alt is not good xD that was a specs draco
@Jarii: and didn't even do 66%
@Eternally: why is combusken eating up dracos
 lowladderheroes: .!dt altaria
#nv: Um Jarii
 lowladderheroes: base 70 spa
#nv: 252+ SpA Choice Specs Altaria Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Combusken: 235-277 (90 - 106.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
@Eternally: 252+ SpA Choice Specs Altaria Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Eviolite Combusken: 235-277 (90 - 106.1%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO
#nv: It is bulky fkin Chicken
 yogibears: back, what's new
#nv: -_-
@Jarii: lool
%Shadestep: is that literally like
@Jarii: he is spD
%Shadestep: max hp max spdef
 lowladderheroes: dafuq
#nv: It has to be
@Eternally: this dude is max hp max spdef busken
#nv: These lord sets are killing us
@Jarii: that did
@Jarii: 0
@Jarii: lool
%Shadestep: brick = broken
#nv: Eternally and Shadestep fite for good replay imo y/y
@Eternally: can I bring swoobat
%Shadestep: no im scared of Eternally
@Eternally: LOL
#nv: lol Jarii and Shadestep then
#nv: :P
%Shadestep: i thought you wanted a good replay?
#nv: LOL
@Eternally: -
@Jarii: yeah not a snack for me
@Eternally: lol
%Shadestep: this is the dongest gourgeist set ive ever seen looool
 yogibears: i'll fight for the lols
#nv: Go ahead yogi lol
#nv: Not even Synthesis ffs Shadestep lol
 yogibears: I don't have the team so someone chall me (and win)
#nv: lol Eternally you heard him :P
@Jarii: best battler ever
#nv: I would save that replay of Shade's but that was ridiculous lmao
@Eternally: back
%Shadestep: yea lol
#nv: Eternally vs. yogibears lgi
#nv: :)
 yogibears: sure, why not
@eternally: I dont have the team though
 yogibears: me either
 yogibears: lol
#nv: http://pastebin.com/x01jdsD2 Here ya guys go :)
#nv: Whoever wants to use it
#nv: :P
 yogibears: /me votes eternally
 yogibears: mainly because I can't actually load pastebin x.x
#nv: rip
@eternally: im lagging heaps rn lol
 yogibears: shade
 yogibears: battle meh
%Shadestep: no
 yogibears: :(
#nv: rip
 yogibears: nv
 yogibears: hastebin it plz
#nv: Sure
#nv: http://hastebin.com/kocoqoxori.md Here ya go yogibears
@eternally: ok chall yogi
 yogibears: http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-nu-386321117