(KEEP THIS ABSOLUTELY CONFIDENTIAL)

Wayne Lee-Archer 2:35 AM
have you seen this :: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=83784.0
Alberto Armandi 2:36 AM
hi, sure
2:36 AM
JRO ran out with about 5000 btc
Wayne Lee-Archer 2:36 AM
yerp, looks like it
2:37 AM
color me unsurprised
Alberto Armandi 2:37 AM
yeah
2:37 AM
so nice to meet you
Wayne Lee-Archer 2:37 AM
and you too!
Alberto Armandi 2:37 AM
bigpiggy informed me of the late happenings and findings
2:38 AM
related to JRO and Kronos.io funds
Wayne Lee-Archer 2:38 AM
yeh - we have been keeping a very close eye on JRO for some time now
Alberto Armandi 2:38 AM
property of Brian Cartmell, same guy who sued bitcoinica
Wayne Lee-Archer 2:38 AM
O REALY!
2:38 AM
i did NOT know that
Alberto Armandi 2:38 AM
yes
Wayne Lee-Archer 2:38 AM
tell me more
Alberto Armandi 2:38 AM
that's an information i'm providing
2:39 AM
some time before i presented Mr Cartmell to JRO
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i had met him ( Cartmell ) over the internet, about other investment opportunities
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we had private deals setup and i had built an arbitraging bot for him
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so he allowed me to use and manage some funds on a mtgox account
2:40 AM
one day JRO asked about funding, and investors, and i had the idea to make the two of them meet
2:40 AM
JRO managed to get a 2000 Bitcoin loan from him and a couple days after he turned out that he didn't need'em anymore. and asked about returning them to Cartmell
2:41 AM
stupidly enough i fell in his trap and accepted the return on the mtgox account, after all, brian was supposed to fund more soon for expanding operations, so i thought it was not a problem
2:41 AM
the day after that, the bitcoin were gone, the site hacked
2:41 AM
that ruined my reputation with Mr Cartmell as well
2:42 AM
and seriously damaged and hindered my possiblity of doing futher business with him.
2:42 AM
that's it, plain and simple
2:43 AM
the 2000 Bitcoin loan JRO asked from Cartmell was intended for covering Zipconf liquidity
2:43 AM
which should have been highly profitable, but it seems it's BS
Wayne Lee-Archer 2:43 AM
well, we might have information on which bitcoin addresses hold that money  ... there would  seem to be an amount in an MtGox account for JRO that was created and a similar amount deposited around the right time
Alberto Armandi 2:43 AM
in a later phase, i've heard members of the team even saying that there wasn't much in ZipConf and that it couldn't really be called a technology, as it didn't solve any problem for real
2:44 AM
that would be great to communicate to mr cartmell
2:44 AM
do you think we can proceed this way ?
2:44 AM
i have him on Skype even now
Wayne Lee-Archer 2:45 AM
maybe; let me look into if i can release this information etc ... i dont wanna screw anything up by "talking out of school"
Alberto Armandi 2:45 AM
sure, when you are feeling good about it just let me know, i need to make this clear once and finally
Wayne Lee-Archer 2:45 AM
ofc
2:46 AM
we also have personall D0X on JRO that are quite extensive
2:46 AM
so if he needs to be "found" that wont be an issue
Alberto Armandi 2:46 AM
is there a way i can have a copy of that ? i 'll keep it confidential 100%
Wayne Lee-Archer 2:47 AM
again - quite possibly; just let me check that im not screwing anything up for people - remember that there are legal proceedings going on surrounding these people - i dont wanna interfere with any of that.
Alberto Armandi 2:47 AM
yes
2:47 AM
are there legal proceedings against JRO himself ?
2:47 AM
can you release this information ?
Wayne Lee-Archer 2:48 AM
there are no legal proceedings against JRO (yet) that i am aware of
Alberto Armandi 2:48 AM
alright
2:49 AM
i'm sure if Cartmell has enough evidences he will sue JRO immediately in the court of california
Wayne Lee-Archer 2:49 AM
there is one individual looking into starting legal action against him though
Alberto Armandi 2:49 AM
for exactely what ?
Wayne Lee-Archer 2:49 AM
the only thing is - JRO is a broke douchebag  ...  suing him would be a little pointless if you are looking to get funds back
Alberto Armandi 2:50 AM
Cartmell is a multi millionaire
Wayne Lee-Archer 2:50 AM
 ikr
Alberto Armandi 2:50 AM
he would do that for justice i think
2:50 AM
i know him pretty well
Wayne Lee-Archer 2:51 AM
perhaps Mr Cartmel and this other fellow looking to sue might get together   ... they are both interested is sticking it to JRO justice-style by the sounds of it
Alberto Armandi 2:51 AM
sure
2:51 AM
that's what i'd like to see as well
2:51 AM
he tried to manipulate the hell out of me
Wayne Lee-Archer 2:51 AM
yeh; this is how JRO rolls unfortunately
Alberto Armandi 2:52 AM
i believe at some point, after the kronos hack, when he claimed he was thinking about suicide and other BS, he went actually to iceland with mr jered kenna
Wayne Lee-Archer 2:52 AM
he rinse-lather-repeats this same style of crap over and over
Alberto Armandi 2:52 AM
using funds gathered from zipconf and rebate
2:52 AM
i believe up to 8000-9000 btc
Wayne Lee-Archer 2:52 AM
wow, you have been a veritable font of info - thanks heaps - this actually fills a few gaps in my d0x
Alberto Armandi 2:52 AM
did you say the cartmell funds are still untouched on the exchange ?
Wayne Lee-Archer 2:53 AM
expect me to get back to you with more questions and perhaps a few introductions
Alberto Armandi 2:53 AM
you welcome i'm more than happy to be helpful
2:53 AM
sure
2:53 AM
i'll be 100% avaiable
Wayne Lee-Archer 2:54 AM
jjfarren: did you say the cartmell funds are still untouched on the exchange ?  <<  its hard for us to say where the funds CAME from but there ARE funds in an account belonging to JRO on MtGox.. and they were untouched as of 2 nights ago when last checked
Alberto Armandi 2:54 AM
alright
Wayne Lee-Archer 2:54 AM
(btw i am not affiliated with MtGox at all; we are assisted by MagicalTux directly on these matters)
Alberto Armandi 2:54 AM
yes i know, alright
2:55 AM
i 'll keep this confidential and not enquiry Mr Cartmell yet
Wayne Lee-Archer 2:55 AM
MagicalTux will be travelling to NZ to talk to the recievers regarding Bitcoinica/Intersango
Alberto Armandi 2:55 AM
i'll wait for you to come up with confirmations
2:55 AM
ok good, so might be as well that we can arrange a meeting with Mr Cartmell regarding this
Wayne Lee-Archer 2:55 AM
yes, please wait - like i said i dont wanna screw up anyones legal workings (esp Cartmell's tasty work with bitcoinica)
Alberto Armandi 2:56 AM
he could provide some documentation to him for supporting the legal suite
Wayne Lee-Archer 2:56 AM
yes definitely
Alberto Armandi 2:56 AM
alright
Wayne Lee-Archer 2:56 AM
i think A MagicalTux <--> Cartmell meeting would be probably useful
2:56 AM
after all, MtGox is holding most of the bitcoinica funds from what i understand
Alberto Armandi 2:56 AM
yes definitely, we need to see how reliable your informations turn out
2:57 AM
and if we can accuse JRO of being the holder of that account
2:57 AM
if magicaltux can provide those documents, then deal is done
Wayne Lee-Archer 2:57 AM
yes, totally
Alberto Armandi 2:57 AM
JRO will have to return back the funds
2:57 AM
or risk being sued by cartmell in california and being destroyed
2:57 AM
because this is actual theft
2:57 AM
not even neglicence
Wayne Lee-Archer 2:58 AM
  i know
Alberto Armandi 2:58 AM
i look forward for this
2:58 AM
i can't wait to restore my reputation with Mr Cartmell
2:58 AM
he helped me a lot and then JRO fucked all up
Wayne Lee-Archer 2:58 AM
i gotta say; its good to see a bitcoiner grow some balls and actually take legal action - please pass on my props to Cartmel
Alberto Armandi 2:58 AM
i was deeply pissed off ( sorry for the coloured language )
2:59 AM
yes sure
Wayne Lee-Archer 2:59 AM
not at all - i come to expect it when talking about JRO
2:59 AM
his friends are few and far between
Alberto Armandi 2:59 AM
in the next days, depending on how your info turn out, we might arrange a convo with Cartmell
Wayne Lee-Archer 2:59 AM
yes, will keep you posted.
2:59 AM
ok, well - leave it with me - i WILL be in touch but for now; g2g meetings to be in