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[12:12:03] %Yagura: Hello
[12:12:19] %Yagura: So as you guys know an LC workshop is being held now
[12:12:52] %Yagura: A bunch of you know that an LC open is on-going atm so it's a perfect time to get some of your teams improved
[12:13:50] %Yagura: You can still pm TraceofLife your teams even during the workshop, I'll let you know when you can't send us teams anymore
[12:14:03] %Yagura: The ones who'll rate in this workshop are levi, TraceofLife, and me.
interplanet janet was promoted to Room Voice by IronBullet.
[12:14:39] %Yagura: nerderator isn't here so interplanet janet is first
[12:15:31] %Yagura: interplanet janet you're here?
[12:15:35] +interplanet janet: yeah
[12:15:52] %Yagura: Can you post your team here?
[12:15:59] +interplanet janet: oh yeah, sorry
[12:16:00] +interplanet janet: http://pastebin.com/NwSR2QCi
[12:16:26] %Yagura: Alright
[12:16:33] %Yagura: Can you tell us how you built that team?
[12:17:31] +interplanet janet: i started off wanting to use a core i had thought up in gunk + sandile
[12:17:58] +interplanet janet: the croagunk set is the standard one that i use b/c it doesn't get as boned by abra and goth
[12:18:41] +interplanet janet: i decided to go w/ a bulkier sandile and thief is there b/c the idea is for it to be a knock off switch in
[12:19:57] +interplanet janet: next i wanted a fletch check and some speed so standard scarf mag was a cool mon
[12:20:35] +interplanet janet: snivy was added to allievate the ground weakness i had and hp fire is for ferro
[12:21:18] +interplanet janet: snivy synergizes really well with omanyte so i added that to the team with rock blast because fuck sash abra stopping my sweeps
[12:22:21] +interplanet janet: finally i noticed that my team was still pretty weak to grounds and fighting types so i added evio natu, which is one of my favorite pokemon to use in the tier
[12:22:35] +interplanet janet: and that's pretty much it
[12:24:11] %Yagura: I see
[12:24:41] %Yagura: How do you think sandile synergies with gunk?
[12:25:12] +levi: it resists psychic
[12:25:21] %Yagura: Personally I've never heard of that core but it seems to work very well
[12:25:57] %Yagura: Gunk checks Grass/Water/Fighting/Bug attacks too
[12:25:59] +interplanet janet: i got the idea from a uu core that i use a lot in krook+toxicroak but sandile handles psychics, and gunk handles grasses, waters, and fighting types for sandile
[12:26:02] +TraceofLife: yeah
[12:27:00] +levi: do the sandile evs live anything specific
[12:27:33] +interplanet janet: i dont think so, i just kinda wanted max speed a bit of hp and a bit of attack
[12:27:43] +interplanet janet: it's not a super thought out spread
[12:28:20] +TraceofLife: i am still confused with the sandile evs *-*
[12:28:53] +levi: if you move 80 hp to atk it helps with random rolls
[12:29:01] +levi: shouldn't make a huge difference though
[12:29:25] +TraceofLife: yeah it doesn't make huge difference
[12:29:57] +levi: also
[12:30:06] +levi: for oma
[12:30:21] +levi: I feel like you have the means to weaken fights and stuff
[12:30:29] +levi: so you could consider changing the nature to timid
[12:30:38] +levi: for specific scarfers
[12:30:44] +levi: that's mostly up to preference though
[12:30:58] +interplanet janet: okay
[12:31:37] +levi: how do you usually handle sprout
[12:31:44] +levi: is it just natu + switching
[12:32:25] +interplanet janet: yeah, i think so, i haven't run into one yet, but it does seem like a threat
[12:32:55] +TraceofLife: is it just me or Diglett can trap 3/6 of your teams?
[12:33:09] +interplanet janet: oh yeah diglett is a bitch and a half
[12:33:26] +levi: you could just replace something random with
[12:33:27] +levi: porygon
[12:33:29] +levi: which beats both
[12:33:36] +levi: err trace pory
[12:34:08] +interplanet janet: which spot would i replace though?
[12:34:09] +levi: not sure how offensive you want the team to be though
[12:34:23] +levi: magnemite would be my choice but you lose a lot of momentum
[12:34:58] +interplanet janet: yeah and mag is my speed on the team, so i'm hesitant to get rid of him
[12:35:00] %Based Lord Christo: !dt krookodile
[12:35:03] %Based Lord Christo: 65 spA
[12:35:04] %Based Lord Christo: nb
[12:35:08] %Based Lord Christo: interesting
[12:35:23] +Truth: That's only 12 SpA less than Whimsicott
[12:35:26] +Truth: So should be all good
[12:35:31] %Based Lord Christo: hmmmmmmmm
[12:35:44] %Based Lord Christo: !learn krookodile, sludge bomb, grass knot
Krookodile can learn these moves
[12:35:51] %Based Lord Christo: hmmmmmmm
[12:36:05] +levi: unless we ditch oma which would be weird
[12:36:11] %Yagura: I can see Vullaby over Natu being a solid change too
[12:36:36] +levi: you'll probably be left a little bit weak to diglett
[12:36:44] %Yagura: It can deal with Sprout and still do what Natu does
[12:36:44] +TraceofLife: yeah
[12:36:50] %Yagura: But yeah Diglett would be a pain
[12:37:15] +TraceofLife: also bunnelby :/
[12:37:23] +interplanet janet: i hadn't thought of vull, i might have to give that a try
[12:37:26] +levi: bunnelby is pretty easy to just wear down
[12:37:40] +levi: scarf pawn could trap diglett after gunk weakens it or smth
[12:37:41] %Yagura: Bunnelby can be checked by Magnemite unless there are webs up
[12:37:57] +interplanet janet: plus i have super effective prio on it
[12:38:29] +levi: or even just shellder over oma
[12:39:23] +interplanet janet: i haven't used shellder before, but i'm intrigued by the idea,
[12:39:35] %Yagura: Having Shellder over Omanyte can fix a lot of problems
[12:39:45] +levi: it wouldn't make you safe from diglett but
[12:39:46] %Yagura: It can hurt non-eviolite bellsprout with ice shard
[12:39:50] +levi: at least you're not super weak to it
[12:39:52] %Yagura: Diglett too
[12:40:02] +interplanet janet: yeah, i like that idea
[12:40:42] +levi: you might want to keep natu in that case though
[12:40:47] +levi: it can help to lure out pawn
[12:40:56] +levi: a little better
[12:41:30] +levi: also about natu's spread
[12:41:47] +levi: maybe change it to 36 hp/236 def/36 spA/196 spe with a timid nature
[12:41:56] +levi: I don't think 14 vs 15 spA makes a huge diff
[12:42:08] +interplanet janet: okay, that makes sense
[12:42:59] %Yagura: The Snivy spread is weird too
[12:43:30] +levi: snivy spread is ok as long as pawn and chen can be handled
[12:43:52] %Yagura: What speed does that hit? The teambuilder doesn't seem to work
[12:43:59] +interplanet janet: 15
[12:45:01] +TraceofLife: 15 speed with timid nature
[12:47:28] %Yagura: I don't see anything left about the team
[12:47:46] +TraceofLife: yeah the team is cool
[12:47:47] %Yagura: Pursuit over Thief on Sandile can be used but each work well in different situations
[12:47:55] +levi: sandile evs, oma -> shell
[12:48:29] +interplanet janet: okay thanks a bunch for looking at my team, i appreciate the rates
[12:48:35] +levi: but yea it's a pretty sweet team
[12:49:00] +TraceofLife: i liked the sandile + croagunk cores :)
[12:49:09] %Yagura: You built well around underrated mons, gj
[12:49:57] +interplanet janet: yeah, i wanted to use some less than standard stuff, b/c all my other teams have the same like 12 or so mons on them
[12:50:35] %Yagura: That's nice to hear, building around new mons is always fun
Ultima Dragoon was promoted to Room Voice by Alkov.
[12:50:48] %Yagura: See you soon and I hope we helped
[12:50:51] %Yagura: Hi there Ultima Dragoon
[12:50:56] %Yagura: Can you link us your team?
[12:51:10] +Ultima Dragoon: ok
[12:51:14] +Ultima Dragoon: http://pastebin.com/BVhmXvEP
[12:51:38] %Yagura: Bidoog o.o
[12:51:41] %Yagura: f*
[12:51:50] %Yagura: Can you tell us how you built that team?
[12:52:19] +Ultima Dragoon: I can't
[12:52:23] %Yagura: Why?
[12:52:27] +Ultima Dragoon: I just put random mons on
[12:52:28] +Ultima Dragoon: xD
[12:52:34] %Yagura: Oh I see
[12:52:34] +TraceofLife: o_k
[12:52:38] +Ultima Dragoon: XD
[12:52:42] %Yagura: There will be a lot of work to do then
[12:52:54] +levi: so uh
[12:53:00] +Ultima Dragoon: lol
[12:53:01] +TraceofLife: Mono Attacking Bidoof isn't good at all imo
[12:53:03] +levi: your team is weak to a few things
[12:53:32] +Ultima Dragoon: XD
[12:53:44] +levi: first off it has five mons
[12:53:51] +levi: four depending on how we count bidoff
[12:54:03] +Ultima Dragoon: oh
[12:54:07] +Ultima Dragoon: i forgot one
[12:54:08] +Ultima Dragoon: XD
[12:54:20] +Ultima Dragoon: #epicfail
[12:54:28] +levi: let's ditch bidoof
[12:54:33] +levi: unless like
[12:54:37] +levi: you want to build entirely around it
[12:54:46] +Ultima Dragoon: ok
[12:55:11] +levi: do you?
[12:55:30] +TraceofLife: tell us the mon you want to build around
[12:55:53] +Ultima Dragoon: um
[12:56:08] +levi: basically we can either replace bidoof
[12:56:13] +levi: or replace aipom/vulpix/chou
[12:56:21] +levi: actually pix probs has to go either way
[12:56:21] +Ultima Dragoon: dieno
[12:56:28] +Ultima Dragoon: deino*
[12:56:39] +levi: what are putting deino over
[12:56:43] +levi: or are we sticking it into the last slot
[12:56:46] +Ultima Dragoon: or eevee
[12:56:54] +levi: eevee isn't really viable
[12:57:00] +Ultima Dragoon: oh
[12:57:02] +TraceofLife: deino is ok
[12:57:03] %Yagura: Deino can be built around better tbh
[12:57:08] +Ultima Dragoon: okay
[12:57:47] %Yagura: You're putting that over Bidoof?
[12:57:48] +levi: like don't get the wrong impression
[12:58:00] +levi: deino is still low tier and not worth running on a competitive team
[12:58:04] +Ultima Dragoon: ok
[12:58:05] +Ultima Dragoon: um
[12:58:25] +Ultima Dragoon: Sorry, I'm just really bad
[12:58:27] +Ultima Dragoon: so
[12:58:36] +Ultima Dragoon: amaura?
[12:58:45] %Yagura: Amaura is decent
[12:58:49] +Ultima Dragoon: okay
[12:59:03] %Yagura: You'll use that over Bidoof?
[12:59:06] +Ultima Dragoon: yes
[12:59:15] +levi: what variant of amaura do you want this to be
[12:59:21] +Ultima Dragoon: No idea
[12:59:25] +Ultima Dragoon: Scarf?
[12:59:27] +levi: there's scarf and then a bunch of gimmicky sets
[12:59:28] +levi: ok
[12:59:44] +levi: would you rather this be refrigerate or snow warning amaura
[12:59:52] +levi: they're both around the same
[13:00:03] +levi: in terms of how they work
[13:00:11] +Ultima Dragoon: refridge
[13:00:23] +levi: ok
[13:00:33] +levi: you're pretty weak to mienfoo so let's run hyper voice over nature power
[13:00:37] +levi: because hyper voice gets the 2hko
[13:00:49] +levi: earth power, thunderbolt for coverage
[13:01:09] +Ultima Dragoon: ok
[13:01:18] %Yagura: Last move can be hyper beam, ancientpower..
[13:01:25] %Yagura: But it'll depend on the team tbh
[13:01:29] +Ultima Dragoon: You might have to post the new team in a pastebin
[13:01:47] %Yagura: Just open the teambuilder and put the changes now, no?
[13:01:51] +Ultima Dragoon: ok
[13:01:59] +Ultima Dragoon: so
[13:02:33] +Ultima Dragoon: last move?
[13:02:41] +levi: a filler of your choice
[13:02:44] +Ultima Dragoon: I'll go ap
[13:02:45] %Yagura: It'll depend on the team tbh
[13:03:00] +levi: I don't think ad amaura exists
[13:03:17] %Yagura: But it doesn't really matter, you'll be clicking the other three moves most of the times
[13:03:22] %Yagura: ap = ancientpower i think
[13:03:25] +Ultima Dragoon: okay
[13:03:27] +Ultima Dragoon: and yes
[13:04:08] +Ultima Dragoon: the special scarf evs?
[13:04:24] +levi: 68 HP/36 def/140 SpA/228 Spe modest
[13:04:40] +Ultima Dragoon: k
[13:05:26] +levi: now let's replace evio vulpix
[13:05:29] +Ultima Dragoon: and the remaning 36?
[13:05:38] +levi: put them in SpD
[13:05:45] +Ultima Dragoon: ok
[13:06:09] +levi: defensive pix isn't really viable because ponyta exists and outclasses it
[13:06:15] +Ultima Dragoon: k
[13:06:21] +levi: you miss out on a bit of damage for reliable recovery, which is super important
[13:06:28] • +AD impish john a wild AD impish john appeared
[13:06:37] +Ultima Dragoon: lol ok
[13:06:46] +levi: if you want pix you could run offensive pix instead
[13:06:56] +Ultima Dragoon: nah
[13:07:59] +levi: pony's spread is
[13:08:18] +levi: 76 atk/156 def/76 spD196 spe
[13:08:21] +levi: usually
[13:08:26] %Yagura: Pony also checks Fighting-types bar Timburr thanks to Flame Body and its decent bulk
[13:08:40] %Yagura: And fighting types can be a pain for amaura
[13:09:38] +Ultima Dragoon: oh no
[13:09:40] +levi: you also might want to fit poryspritz in there
[13:09:42] +Ultima Dragoon: I have to go
[13:09:44] +Ultima Dragoon: D:
[13:09:53] +levi: lol
[13:09:53] %Yagura: Speaking of Fighing-types you'll need to change the Abra set a little bit
[13:09:56] %Yagura: Oh.........
[13:10:14] +Ultima Dragoon: Bye
[13:10:20] %Yagura: :(
[13:10:23] +Ultima Dragoon: D:
[13:11:49] +TraceofLife: k so who's next
[13:12:01] %Yagura: lt1b sLurMz♥~
sLuRmZ♥~ was promoted to Room Voice by Alkov.
[13:14:07] %Yagura: Btw
[13:14:11] %Yagura: the next people are
[13:14:28] +sLuRmZ♥~: : ]
[13:14:42] %Yagura: sLuRmZ♥~ ajernejcic ♥ JohnathanDG ym
[13:14:47] +TraceofLife: Yagura
[13:14:58] +TraceofLife: ajernejcic ♥ doesn't want a rate anymore
[13:14:59] Yagura:(Private to ajernejcic ♥) ty bb
[13:15:03] %Yagura: oh
[13:15:06] %Yagura: :[
[13:15:13] %Yagura: ok so sLuRmZ♥~
[13:15:18] %Yagura: Link us your team
[13:15:20] +sLuRmZ♥~: http://pastebin.com/sgwQ9i5a
[13:15:34] +sLuRmZ♥~: so
[13:15:40] +sLuRmZ♥~: its a basic timburr stunky
[13:15:43] +sLuRmZ♥~: bulky offense team
[13:15:53] +sLuRmZ♥~: that me and rzl built
[13:16:13] +sLuRmZ♥~: we started with timburr then added stunky because of tis overall utility vs abra and gastly
[13:16:14] %Yagura: Why are you 16 speed chen?
[13:16:20] +sLuRmZ♥~: uhm
13:16:38] +sLuRmZ♥~: we were going for a more defensive version
[13:16:46] %Yagura: outspeeding knocked off scarf chou and pawn can be quite important
[13:16:48] +sLuRmZ♥~: and we cant touch foo anyway
[13:16:55] +levi: is rzl trying to get the same team rated
[13:16:58] +sLuRmZ♥~: no
[13:17:01] +sLuRmZ♥~: but we rmted it
[13:17:03] +sLuRmZ♥~: so~
[13:17:11] %Yagura: idk why you'll want to risk the speed tie
[13:17:21] +TraceofLife: but still
[13:17:25] +TraceofLife: 17 speed is better
[13:17:31] %Yagura: Yea
[13:18:08] +sLuRmZ♥~: ok
[13:18:26] +sLuRmZ♥~: do i continue explaining the team or no
[13:18:42] +TraceofLife: please continue
[13:18:45] %Yagura: Yeah sure
[13:18:49] %Yagura: Sorry for interrupting
[13:18:53] +sLuRmZ♥~: ok
[13:18:59] +sLuRmZ♥~: so we after we added stunky
[13:19:12] +sLuRmZ♥~: we needed a ground immunity, a check to fletchling, and rocks
[13:19:21] +sLuRmZ♥~: archen was a nice fit there
[13:19:49] +sLuRmZ♥~: we then needed a revenge killer for smashes a fire resist an ice resist
[13:20:03] +sLuRmZ♥~: we put in scarf chou
[13:20:16] +sLuRmZ♥~: afterwards, we needed a fighting resist and more overall utility
[13:20:20] +sLuRmZ♥~: for timburr to sweep
[13:20:31] +sLuRmZ♥~: we added twave snubbull so we can slow stuff down for timburr
[13:20:40] +sLuRmZ♥~: and aid a sweep more
[13:21:00] +sLuRmZ♥~: finally, we added pawniard because it checked more ice types and psychics
[13:21:04] +sLuRmZ♥~: but we swapped it
[13:21:25] +sLuRmZ♥~: for foongus after realizing sun 6-0ed us, water types were still a nuisance, and so were fighters
[13:21:33] +sLuRmZ♥~: and foongus allowed us to check pawniard
[13:21:39] +sLuRmZ♥~: with hp fighting
[13:21:56] +sLuRmZ♥~: : ]
[13:22:02] +sLuRmZ♥~: levi suggested it ages ago
[13:22:21] +sLuRmZ♥~: well thats it
[13:22:25] %Yagura: The team can play around sun with stunky/full hp tim
[13:22:47] %Yagura: I don't see much about it it's a great bulky offense team
[13:22:58] +sLuRmZ♥~: yh sun is the most
[13:22:58] %Yagura: The only suggestion is jolly over impish
[13:23:01] +sLuRmZ♥~: pressing issue
[13:23:08] +sLuRmZ♥~: nothing we can do tho
[13:23:12] %Yagura: so that you don't speed tie w/ pawniard and knocked off scarf chou
[13:23:13] +sLuRmZ♥~: except weaken it
[13:24:02] %Yagura: levi, TraceofLife anything else you have to say about the team?
[13:24:20] +TraceofLife: Yagura mind c/ping me the team
[13:24:29] +levi: didn't oma already rate this
[13:24:34] +levi: or is this the pre-oma version
[13:24:36] %Yagura: http://pastebin.com/sgwQ9i5a
[13:25:19] +sLuRmZ♥~: the only things we changed with oma
[13:25:24] +sLuRmZ♥~: were archen spread and snubs
[13:25:27] +sLuRmZ♥~: i forgot
[13:25:30] +sLuRmZ♥~: to make archen jolly
[13:25:34] +sLuRmZ♥~: when copying pasting
[13:26:32] +levi: yea the team's fine
[13:26:37] +levi: I'm not fond of tcr or fran's suggestions
[13:26:44] +sLuRmZ♥~: :I
[13:26:52] +sLuRmZ♥~: thats why we only linked them
[13:26:58] +sLuRmZ♥~: we discussed them as well
[13:27:03] +TraceofLife: nothing more to say :)
[13:27:48] +sLuRmZ♥~: :)
[13:27:56] +sLuRmZ♥~: i can say yagura is ugly
[13:27:58] +sLuRmZ♥~: : [
[13:28:05] %Yagura: :(
[13:28:07] %Yagura: Oh wait
[13:28:35] %Yagura: Which IVs does HP Fight lower again? Teambuilder isn't working
[13:28:39] +sLuRmZ♥~: uhm
[13:28:47] +sLuRmZ♥~: atk speed and spa
[13:28:48] +sLuRmZ♥~: i think
[13:29:08] +levi: def spa spd spe
[13:29:09] %Yagura: Then Foongus' spread is fine
[13:29:13] %Yagura: Oh if def
[13:29:17] +sLuRmZ♥~: oh its def
[13:29:21] %Yagura: Then change it then
[13:29:23] +sLuRmZ♥~: yh
[13:29:28] +sLuRmZ♥~: 160 right
[13:29:37] %Yagura: Yes
[13:29:39] +levi: did oma not cover this
[13:29:47] +sLuRmZ♥~: no oma sucks
[13:29:51] +levi: smh oma
[13:29:58] +sLuRmZ♥~: jk ilu oma
[13:30:11] %Yagura: Anyways that's all
[13:30:17] %Yagura: Great build
[13:30:30] +sLuRmZ♥~: i have 160 in my teambuilder here
[13:30:31] +sLuRmZ♥~: ,,
[13:30:56] +sLuRmZ♥~: thnx yaggy :3
[13:31:09] %Yagura: :
[13:31:12] %Yagura: :$
[13:31:14] +sLuRmZ♥~: oh thnx levi for suggesting
[13:31:19] %Yagura: Trace is dead
[13:31:19] +sLuRmZ♥~: stunky's name
[13:31:22] +sLuRmZ♥~: to be starmaster
[13:31:25] +sLuRmZ♥~: cuz starmaster stinks
[13:31:28] +sLuRmZ♥~: : ]
[13:31:46] +levi: it is the only good stunky nick
JohnathanDG was promoted to Room Voice by Alkov.
[13:32:58] %Yagura: Hello JohnathanDG
[13:33:04] +JohnathanDG: hi
[13:33:05] %Yagura: Can you link us your team?
[13:33:09] +JohnathanDG: http://pastebin.com/BJ35qMY3
[13:33:30] +levi: don't use recommended evs
[13:33:29] ajernejcic ♥:(Private to Yagura) under 20 minutes
[13:33:44] +levi: playing with the slider is better until you memorize numbers
[13:33:56] %Yagura: Or use the dex spreads if you're not sure
[13:33:58] +JohnathanDG: ok
[13:34:20] %Yagura: So yeah how did you build that team?
[13:36:48] +JohnathanDG: i frist thought of a good pokemon to set up a steath rock diglett and made a few diifernt options if its heath was low like suker punch rock slide and earth quake
[18:38:54] %Yagura: Next?
[18:41:28] %Yagura: JohnathanDG you're there?
[18:41:40] +JohnathanDG: Abra being a Ghost Psychic Dark counter with magic guard with specail attack moves like substitube dazzing gleam and shadow ball substitube for a graud
[18:42:36] +JohnathanDG: and abra life orb
[18:42:56] %Yagura: That doesn't really make it a counter :P
[18:43:23] +AD impish john: congratz m9s
[18:43:27] +levi: what's dig for
[18:43:45] +levi: is it just for sr
[18:44:37] +levi: and is there anything you wouldn't want to be replaced
[18:45:57] %Yagura: JohnathanDG are you there?
[18:46:07] +JohnathanDG: poynta with an eviolite famebody to have a shot at buring the oppent moves are flare blitz moring sun toxic will-o-wisp
[18:48:16] +JohnathanDG: Apiom Skill link Moves Double hit thunderbolt ice punch knock off
[18:49:56] %Yagura: Johnathan can you be a little bit faster?
[18:52:15] +JohnathanDG: i chose the team aka made it based of abra and mienfoo barboach and poynta are there if i need to get switch or tank a move diglett is there to set up the rocks and apiom is the insurance police
[18:52:36] %Yagura: I see
[18:52:48] %Yagura: Well Barboach isn't viable at all
[18:53:00] %Yagura: As a water-type DD mon Corphish does that better
[18:53:02] +JohnathanDG: why not?
[18:53:07] %Yagura: Even Totodile is better
[18:53:18] +JohnathanDG: man that is bad
[18:53:35] %Yagura: Wait so you want to keep Barboach?
[18:54:05] +JohnathanDG: the barboach
[18:54:30] +JohnathanDG: nope finding a replacement
[18:54:59] %Yagura: Alright
[18:55:08] %Yagura: So Aipom is an anti lead mainly
[18:55:21] %Yagura: Breaking mons with Fake Out + Fury Swipes
[18:55:36] %Yagura: Run Fury Swipes btw over Double Hit
[18:56:05] +JohnathanDG: ice punch fine
[18:56:15] %Yagura: Since that benefits from Skill Link and multi hit moves are very good in LC
[18:56:26] %Yagura: Don't use Thunderbolt
[18:56:33] %Yagura: And try Taunt over Ice Punch
[18:57:11] +JohnathanDG: knock off?.
[18:57:14] %Yagura: Use 196 Atk / 76 Def / 236 Spe with Jolly
[18:57:19] %Yagura: Keep Knock Off
[18:57:27] %Yagura: Fake out over Thunderbolt btw
[18:58:13] +JohnathanDG: i did
[18:58:23] %Yagura: Anyways Abra is next
[18:58:37] %Yagura: Try using HP Fighting over Shadow Ball
[18:58:50] %Yagura: Shadow Ball only hits Honedge in the current meta
[18:58:58] %Yagura: Well and other Psychic-types
[18:59:09] %Yagura: Like Gothita and Abra
[18:59:31] %Yagura: But HP Fighting can OHKO Pawniard while 2HKOing Ferroseed
[18:59:41] +JohnathanDG: wow
[19:00:04] %Yagura: Make sure you change your ev spread cuz of the ivs drop
[19:00:11] %Yagura: Making it 240 spa / 240 spe
[19:00:58] +JohnathanDG: what to use the 32 remaing ivs
[19:01:25] %Yagura: Nothing :[
[19:01:27] %Yagura: No use
[19:01:40] %Yagura: Anyways now Diglett
[19:01:49] %Yagura: You run it solely for rocks?
[19:02:02] %Yagura: I don't see the team benefiting much from it
[19:02:23] +JohnathanDG: yup and its 20 speed
[19:03:00] %Yagura: Hmm
[19:04:06] %Yagura: Well tbh I'd keep it
[19:04:26] %Yagura: But I'd run Memento over Sucker Punch
[19:04:45] %Yagura: That'd allow our setup sweeper to come in more safely
[19:05:14] +JohnathanDG: yup
[19:05:39] %Yagura: Well now, I can see Fletchling being a problem
[19:05:55] %Yagura: And since we'll probably go with Corphish we'll need Ferroseed dealt with
[19:06:24] +JohnathanDG: what about chinchou?
[19:06:43] %Yagura: Chinchou doesn't deal with Ferroseed
[19:06:52] %Yagura: Imo let's go with Magnemite
[19:07:20] %Yagura: It can trap ferroseed with magnet pull and kill it with hp fire
[19:07:33] +JohnathanDG: item??
[19:07:48] %Yagura: Choice Scarf would be best
[19:07:57] %Yagura: Max speed and spa, timid nature
[19:08:08] %Yagura: Volt Switch / Thunderbolt / Flash Cannon / HP Fire
[19:08:17] %Yagura: Beware of the sdef drops
[19:09:06] %Yagura: Tbh now we're weak to Fighting-types
[19:09:16] %Yagura: Abra is cool yeah but it can't switch in
[19:10:01] %Yagura: The only way to fix that would be to use something over Aipom
[19:10:08] %Yagura: Imo Vullaby would be best
[19:10:35] %Yagura: Knock Off support, brave bird, defog support that allows diglett to keep its sash intact
[19:10:38] %Yagura: and roost
[19:10:45] +JohnathanDG: evolite
[19:10:53] %Yagura: Use the dex set
[19:10:54] %Yagura: Yes
[19:11:00] %Yagura: Specially defensive spread
[19:11:31] +JohnathanDG: overcoat
[19:11:45] %Yagura: Yes
[19:12:40] +JohnathanDG: that it for the ivs
[19:12:51] %Yagura: Ugh there isn't a specially defensive spread there and the teambuilder isn't working
[19:13:02] +JohnathanDG: specail def?
[19:13:29] %Yagura: Give me a se
[19:13:30] %Yagura: c
[19:15:35] %Yagura: 116 HP / 76 Atk / 76 Def / 236 SpD w/ Careful
[19:15:41] %Yagura: (thanks Tricking)
[19:16:04] %Yagura: That spread also checks Abra
[19:16:39] %Yagura: So yeah Mienfoo...
[19:16:43] +JohnathanDG: isnt abra a specail attacker
[19:16:49] %Yagura: It is
[19:17:09] +JohnathanDG: then why use carefull
[19:17:33] %Yagura: Careful boosts sdef and lowers attack
[19:17:43] %Yagura: err
[19:17:45] %Yagura: special attack*
[19:18:12] +JohnathanDG: see that doesnt work out with an abra
[19:18:17] %Yagura: Why?
[19:18:41] +JohnathanDG: it has 105 base specail attack
[19:19:06] %Albacore: no he means as an abra check
[19:19:06] %Albacore: don't run that spread on abra lol
[19:19:14] %Albacore: run it on vullaby
[19:19:30] +JohnathanDG: that makes more sence
[19:19:34] %Yagura: ..
[19:19:40] %Yagura: I'm talking about vulaby lol
[19:19:59] +JohnathanDG: my bad u missanged abra
[19:20:32] %Yagura: I said that it can check abra
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[19:20:37] %Yagura: sorry if I didn't make it clear
[19:20:44] +JohnathanDG: it okay
[19:21:06] %Yagura: Mienfoo..
[19:21:52] %Yagura: Tbh I can see bulky foo being better
[19:23:47] %Yagura: oh levi
[19:23:52] %Yagura: Can you take it from here?
[19:23:56] +levi: sure
[19:24:00] %Yagura: I gtg for15 mins sorry
[19:24:03] +levi: you want corph, right?
[19:24:12] %Yagura: after john there will be ym
[19:24:19] %Yagura: then Adkon
[19:24:28] +levi: kk
[19:24:38] +JohnathanDG: why dont u just pm him dat?
[19:24:53] +levi: so other people can see
[19:25:00] +levi: you want corph right
[19:25:02] +levi: john
[19:25:04] %Yagura: I flashed them so they get noticed :p
[19:25:17] +JohnathanDG: ok
[19:25:21] %Yagura: notified*
[19:25:29] +JohnathanDG: ik
[19:25:57] +levi: john lemme get this straight
[19:26:01] +levi: so far you have
[19:26:17] +levi: lo abra/vulla/sashdiglett/scarf pull mag right
[19:26:33] +levi: and you guys were looking into corph?
[19:26:45] +levi: I'm basing this off what yag told me
[19:27:11] +JohnathanDG: yup
[19:27:44] +levi: ok let's fit corph in
[19:27:53] +levi: what do you want to be your team's primary wincon
[19:28:00] +levi: are you basing this around a corph sweep
[19:28:07] +JohnathanDG: but with mienfoo vullabt abra diglett ponyta and magrmite
[19:28:40] +levi: with that build you're quite weak to water spam
[19:29:15] +levi: but would you rather we try to edit those six mons instead
[19:30:02] +JohnathanDG: i am good with abra diglett vullaby and magnemite
[19:30:29] +levi: ok
[19:30:43] +levi: do you want corph as a fifth mon
[19:30:47] +levi: if not we could do something else
[19:31:15] +levi: that, yea
[19:31:19] +JohnathanDG: is it op
[19:31:27] +levi: it's good but not op
[19:31:33] +levi: lc is pretty balanced rn
[19:31:56] +JohnathanDG: yup ill use him
[19:32:06] +JohnathanDG: lo
[19:32:19] +levi: LO is if you want a wall-breaker
[19:32:27] +levi: if you would rather use corph as a sweeper then evio makes it easier to set up
[19:32:54] +JohnathanDG: so life orb
[19:33:07] +levi: ok
[19:33:42] +levi: knock off/crabhammer/aqua jet/superpower
[19:33:44] +JohnathanDG: adaptabillity
[19:33:49] +levi: yea
[19:34:21] +JohnathanDG: attack and speed
[19:34:34] +levi: your evs should be 196 atk/76 def/236 spe
[19:34:38] +levi: with an adamant nature
[19:34:55] +levi: set your corph HP IVs to 13
[19:34:58] +levi: so you take less damage from LO recoil
[19:35:10] %Yagura: Hmm levi
[19:35:20] %Yagura: Isn't adamant corphis 13 speed?
[19:35:26] +levi: ye
[19:35:33] +levi: but he wants it to be LO
[19:35:38] +levi: so we'll probs just give it superpower and change mag
[19:35:39] %Yagura: Shouldn't it be 14?
[19:35:43] %Yagura: Or you're going SD?
[19:35:47] +levi: 4 attacks
[19:35:51] %Yagura: Ah
[19:36:08] %Yagura: I based my suggestions on DD Cor v_v
[19:36:18] +JohnathanDG: def or no ivs
[19:36:35] +JohnathanDG: def ivs
[19:36:37] +levi: 13 HP IVs and the other IVs should just be 31
[19:36:59] +levi: in LC you want LO users to be 19 HP or less because LO recoil rounds down
[19:37:32] +levi: anyways let's change mag up to sturdyjuice in that case
[19:37:35] +levi: just as a general safety net
[19:38:16] +JohnathanDG: do u mean berry joice?
[19:38:22] +levi: change its item to berry juice, ability to sturdy, moves to endure/flash cannon/volt switch/recycle
[19:38:27] +levi: yea
[19:38:37] +levi: EVs to 36 def/236 SpA/236 spe timid
[19:38:49] +JohnathanDG: with magtimite
[19:38:55] +levi: yea
[19:39:07] +levi: make sure its spA and spe ivs are 31
[19:39:26] +levi: you can use this mag set to check most sweepers
[19:39:38] +levi: even if sturdy is popped, as long as berry juice is intact
[19:39:53] +levi: since you don't really need magnet pull mag now that you have superpower corph
[19:41:05] +JohnathanDG: ok
[19:41:25] +levi: anyways your last slot should probs be timburr or gunk or acro foo so you have a switch-in to pawn and opposing fights
[19:41:38] +levi: none of them are op but timburr and foo are more op than gunk
[19:42:28] +levi: which would you rather
[19:42:43] +JohnathanDG: here is what the team is looking like vukkaby abra diglett ponyta corphish magnemite
[19:43:04] +levi: don't run pony
[19:43:08] +levi: you don't need to be weaker to diglett
[19:43:49] +JohnathanDG: gunk
[19:44:28] +JohnathanDG: item black sludge
[19:44:34] +levi: np gunk could work
[19:44:39] +levi: don't run lefties or sludge in lc
[19:44:45] +levi: they don't heal enough to be worth it
[19:45:05] +JohnathanDG: what item then
[19:45:45] %Yagura: Imo acro foo would best
[19:46:06] +levi: np gunk should run evio or berry juice, acro foo should run evio
[19:46:23] %Yagura: foo with evio runs
[19:47:04] %Yagura: 196 def / 36 sdef / 236 speed
[19:47:15] %Yagura: drain punch /u-turn/ knock off / acro
[19:47:24] +JohnathanDG: posin tuch or anticpaction
[19:47:34] %Yagura: Oh you'll use gunk?
[19:48:07] +levi: gunk should run dry skin
[19:48:28] +levi: that way it can come in on chou and force the chou user between healing gunk and getting trapped by diglett
[19:48:49] +levi: you'll want this to be a set-up gunk so you're less weak to diglett revenge-killing
[19:48:55] +levi: so either bulk up or nasty plot
[19:49:14] +JohnathanDG: gunk shot or no
[19:49:43] +levi: only if it's the bulk up variant
[19:50:04] +JohnathanDG: its riskey
[19:51:14] +levi: the np variant doesn't use inaccurate moves if you'd rather that
[19:52:18] +levi: would you rather your croagunk use nasty plot or bulk up as its set-up move?
[19:52:49] +JohnathanDG: this a moveset drain punch posin jab dark pulse
[19:54:22] +JohnathanDG: levi u there
[19:54:25] +levi: that doesn't fit under either
[19:55:08] +JohnathanDG: bulk up move set and nasty plot move set plz
[19:55:25] +levi: bulk up, gunk shot, drain punch, sucker punch
[19:55:55] +levi: nasty plot, sludge wave, vacuum wave, knock off or sucker punch
[19:56:27] +JohnathanDG: !dt vacuum wave
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Priority: 1 |  Gen: 4 |  Target: One Adjacent Pokémon
[19:56:49] +levi: it's just a priority move
[19:57:58] +JohnathanDG: ivs for bulk up
[19:58:39] +levi: 52 hp/188 atk/116 def/116 spD/36 spe adamant
[19:58:42] +levi: ivs are all 31
[19:58:51] +levi: item should be evio
[19:59:38] +levi: http://pastebin.com/UYBnxvfz
[19:59:41] +levi: is this what you have?
[20:00:29] +JohnathanDG: got speed ivs wrong
[20:00:55] +JohnathanDG: 36
[20:01:35] +levi: err yea
[20:01:37] +levi: that was a typo
[20:02:35] +JohnathanDG: dazzing gleam abara
[20:02:42] +levi: ye
[20:02:49] +levi: that's not needed
[20:02:50] +levi: you have gunk
[20:03:16] +levi: for scraggy
[20:03:24] +JohnathanDG: e b
[20:03:48] +levi: sub is to get around sucker punch
[20:03:53] +levi: eball is for dril and chou
[20:04:26] +JohnathanDG: ok
[20:04:35] +levi: that's it I think
[20:04:42] +levi: good stuff
[20:04:56] +JohnathanDG: it is good stuf
[20:05:04] %Yagura: So yeah
[20:05:11] %Yagura: That was the last person
[20:05:18] %Yagura: The other two left rip ;;
[20:05:37] +JohnathanDG: oh okay
[20:05:42] %Yagura: IronBullet can you turn off modchat?