Log from #tgg:nsfw following the closing of #thegeekgroup on 2/18/2015
Sorry, I don't have timestamps.

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<LemMinG> wtf?
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<Max_Marz> so annnyways
<LemMinG> what the hell is going on?
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<Max_Marz> Captain needs his weekly dose
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<Nick1296|E6540> Can someone explain the ban from #tgg?
<Nick1296|E6540> I had problems after having to power cycle the router
<Max_Marz> Chris is telling people to push buttons
<Nick1296|E6540> I don't think I did anything wrong
<MoxieMike> i think chris is upset that the fundraiser wasn't making progress
<Max_Marz> http://sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/i/keep-calm-and-fire-everything-4.png
<Max_Marz> No one did, everyone is banned
<Max_Marz> hurry up and wait
<Nick1296|E6540> Oh, okay. I was making sure
<cheese> or never donate a single fucking penny to tgg ever again. this is childish bullshit and taking away our ability to communicate because you didn't raise the money for something clearly nobody wants to pay for is just fucking stupid
<MoxieMike> chanserv said the channel was closed
<Max_Marz> Looks like chris is discovering we cant always be his personal army
<Nick1296|E6540> It is. He needs to grow up about not getting donations
<MoxieMike> a safesaw is a very nice thing to have
<Max_Marz> I fucking hate it when he ORDERS the irc to do shit
<Jessica_T> It's a nice thing to have, yeah
<Jessica_T> But some of us are broke. >.>
<NightWolfx03> I'll be back x_x
<Nick1296|E6540> Still, not worth BANNING PEOPLE from the IRC for it
<LemMinG> jkl, MattressKitten, Oblit_not_here, Obliter_busy, tlockley, care to comment?
<MoxieMike> i've got my share of bills to take care of
<Max_Marz> I also find it appaling when he says shit in the blogs like "Oh that we can just have the IRC do, it will be a fun easy fundraiser"
<Max_Marz> dont see where he gets off claiming shit like that
<Max_Marz> im gonna sit back with some popcorn now
<MadManMarkAu> ^
<MadManMarkAu> My advice, is just chill
<MattressKitten> ^^
<jkl> heey guys? how about y'all just calm the fuck down
<Nick1296|E6540> I better check for popcorn then ;)
<Max_Marz> I said what I wanna say
<LemMinG> jkl, I'm not sure we're the people who need to hear that.
<Nick1296|E6540> Is this normal mattressKitten?
<kb3pxr|tab> Can we have some insight at what is upsetting the captain so rumors aren't flying?
<Max_Marz> Just dont specculate at all
<Nick1296|E6540> For him to go full manchild when he doesn't get his way?
<Max_Marz> we all know what happens when we go down that road
<MattressKitten> calm down first off.
<Max_Marz> moose gets angry, starts throwing hammers and then no one is happy
<MattressKitten> second off, when there are things to be said, they will be said, and you will hear those things then.
<Nick1296|E6540> I was just asking. I'm not mad but I am furious I come back to a ban from a router powercycle
<Nick1296|E6540> Over a fundraiser
<kb3pxr|tab> Nick1296|E6540 we aren't sure that is the reason
<Max_Marz> I have kept my mouth shut, this is just the first chance to make peace with my thoughts, I did, people know how I feel now, and thats all that matters to me.
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<kb3pxr|tab> ^
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<Nick1296|E6540> Ask Sudos about it. He knows I speak my mind
<Max_Marz> HVL pad electric fence, mirite guise?
<Nick1296|E6540> And I'm not afraid of my opinions
<kb3pxr|tab> guys, watch it, Captain and moose joined
<MattressKitten> as i said, ladies and gentlemen, when there are things to be said, you will hear them.
<Max_Marz> Shipping container dorm rooms on top of a green house on top of TGG's roof?
<tysk> I don'T want them to watch it, I want them to continue expressing their honest opinion.
<Captain> Wow, that's a blast from the past.
<Captain> That was Ionia Street.
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<Captain> Hi there Max_Marz
<Captain> I understand you're upset with me and have some issues you'd like to discuss?
<Jessica_T> Ustream says off air
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<cheese> honestly, I fear that you guys will shut down the whole network and I don't have another way to contact the majority of my friends that I have made here
<LemMinG> Captain, it'd be nice to know why we all just got booted from #thegeekgroup?
<Max_Marz> I only have an opinion to voice, it is not a concern
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<Nick1296|E6540> For me, it's about GETTING BANNED from IRC over a fundraiser from what I hear
<Yrouel> cheese FYI the backup channel has been the sparkyproject one on freenode
<tysk> Nobody has been banned.
<Captain> Because the IRC has been devolving into shit lately and failing to serve all three of its primary purposes.
<Yrouel> tysk actually everyone has
<Max_Marz> Just that the IRC cant always be your personal army, and that is based on pure speculation that others have come up with based partly in light of what just happened, thats all im going to say.
<MoxieMike> the channel was closed
<Captain> Nick, you're here, you're talking, you're not banned, chill the fuck out.
<MadManMarkAu> ^
<tysk> The channel has been closed, but no person has actually been banned. We don't channel-ban for individual punishment.
<Max_Marz> I have no idea what is going on, let it be known
<Captain> This is what's up.
<Captain> Pay attention, and chill the fuck out or I'll start slinging assholes.
<Captain> The IRC exists for 3 reasons.
<Max_Marz> im not even tripping lol
<Jessica_T> Chocolate ones? They sell those. :P
<Captain> 1. To provide a peer group for our membership.
<Captain> 2. To be a collective hivemind think tank to solve problems and support our membership.
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<Captain> 3. To build engagement and transparency between our members and corporate operations.
<Captain> That is why this is here.
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<Max_Marz> sooo it has nothing to do with fund raising directly.
<cheese> parts 1 and 2 are demonstrated daily. I've gotten advice on my projects from numerous people that I don't know
<Captain> Of course not, that's a symptom, not the problem.
<Max_Marz> Glad to hear it
<Jessica_T> I can alowas come on here to talk about problems and get a digital hug
<Max_Marz> So whats the problem?
<Max_Marz> are we failing to play nice or something?
* kb3pxr|tab wants an official answer, but has an idea of the issue
<Captain> The problem is that we're not doing the job, people don't take it seriously, and it's turning into the Aussie50 and Doogie party and neither of those people work here. They both of their own fanbase, and if they want a massive online community, they can go and create their own. We're here to serve the members and solve our own problems.
<Max_Marz> ooookaythen
<Captain> The problem is that when I come here with a member and try to get hep on one of their projects, or get IRC people involved in a major local project, I get retards and morons fliging shit like a monkey cage.
<Captain> And that is not acceptable.
<Captain> The problem is, we have spies in here from GRM and are having major security issues because of it.
<Captain> The problem
<Captain> Quite simply
<Max_Marz> So just start kicking people with the message "Take your overwhelming discussion to PM"
<Captain> Is that the IRC is more of a pain in the ass than it's worth.
<tysk> It has become a lack of actual help and smartassery abounds.
<Captain> So
<kb3pxr|tab> Moose just said what I was thinking
<Captain> Tonight, I pulled the plug for a moment, to give people some motherfucking perspective.
<Captain> There are a LARGE number of awesome people in here.
<LemMinG> I'm not sure I agree that is the most productive way to do it.
<Captain> PEople who are loyal
<Captain> People whome I respect
<Max_Marz> Its an internet chatroom, Its always going to devolve to that
<cheese> its a chatroom with over 150 people in it
<Max_Marz> this is why there are moderators
* kb3pxr|tab raises hand with a suggestion and waits paitently to be called on
<Captain> I agree, and moderation is going to be improved drasticly....draconianly.
<Max_Marz> if there is an overwhelming discussion that is keeping you or any of the other important people from taking care of buisness well put a stop to it
<Captain> Because I will not tolerate the bullshit.
<tysk> Max_Marz: People have been blatantly ignoring it, sometimes it takes a lot to get your (collective) attention.
<Yrouel> Captain tysk about asking help for a member or a project that can also depend on timing, irc is very fluid and varies from minute to minute, if you happen to ask at time x maybe is quiet when 5 or 10 minutes before people was discussing about something
<Yrouel> so there are intrinsic limitations sort of of the medium
<Max_Marz> so when I make inside jokes like HVL electric fences thats basically going to get me banned now
<Max_Marz> good to know...
<tysk> Max_Marz: Stop with the hyperbole or I will actually ban you.
<cheese> The problem with shutting down the IRC to make your point is that the majority of people stay in there 24/7 and aren't nessicarily going to know wtf just happened. hell, only 35 of us can even see what you're saying right now.
<Captain> While I understand the limitations of the medium, I'm going to expect a higher degree of cooperation in there, and command a higher level of respect.
<tysk> There is a large difference between being able to joke and moving a discussion into nothing but.
<Captain> Cheese, the internet has a long memory. People will read this.
<Yrouel> well someone save the log for that
<kb3pxr|tab> Yrouel remember the rules on that
<Max_Marz> im not, im just trying to understand how exactly this is going to affect my interactions with my friends on the irc, and what I can do to avoid being part of the problem
<Yrouel> kb3pxr|tab ? I don't log if you where referring to that
<Yrouel> never have on irc hate logs
<tysk> kb3pxr|tab: What is your question?
<kb3pxr|tab> My suggestion is maybe a bullshit channel.
<MoxieMike> i have a question
<tysk> Bullshitting from time to time is perfectly acceptable. It's when to be able to collectively stop doing that and focus on things that are more productive.
<tysk> MoxieMike: What is your question?
<LemMinG> I would actually rate the bullshit level in #thegeekgroup relatively low
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<tysk> It varies wildly but lately whenever we're trying to be productive in there, it's pretty high.
<LemMinG> some of the other channels I am in on other networks are much more uncontrolled and just jungle like
<cheese> so is the problem here that the IRC is assisting more members away from GR than it in gr? because i know several of us benefit from being able to chat with oneanother and we don't live close to GR at all
<MoxieMike> in the blogs, Chris is very diplomatic when discussing GRM,  i.e. "check out both places, and pick the one that's right for you.." I'm curious as to why in here we're being told that there are spies from GRM...what kind of espionage are they performing here?
<Max_Marz> Yeah quite honestly I think this escalated rather quickly, I haven't really seen any examples of this problem yet
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<tysk> cheese: It does not matter where people are, that is the beauty of IRC.
<Aussie50> the fuck is this about
<Jessica_T> And I'm still not sure a competing space that still uses stock photos on their website is THAT much of a spy issue. I mean, it almost seems like Get Smart, or Austin Powers
<cheese> well I personally haven't had any issue getting assistance from the IRC when there are people around that have the skills to assist me
<MoxieMike> I personally don't pay much attention to the IRC, i'm always logged on and glance at it from time to time
<Aussie50> I am trying to get work done and I get bombed by people saying the IRC has been killed
<tysk> MoxieMike: Unfortunately sometimes things happen behind the scences.
<Max_Marz> Hahaha we just went full circle wow.
<Captain> It's back ;)
<cheese> you can have it
<Talos> wow, cheese, you're mighty cocky tonight
<tysk> cheese: I'm glad you haven't had any issues lately, but we have.
<cheese> tysk, you and chris or local members?
<Aussie50> so taking it out on the IRC is fine?
<Aussie50> its bad enough that the LS becomes unwatchable
<tysk> The LS is unwatchable?
<Aussie50> nothing but fundraiser, getting shut down when shit does not go right
<Captain> This actually had nothing to do with the fundraiser.
<tysk> Frequently shows stop because people are blatantly ignoring it, the fact that nothing happens in the fundraiser is just a small part of .. nothing happening.
<Aussie50> I am talking over 6 months, this is just the high water mark
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<Captain> Aussie50, if you're unhappy with my conduct, the door is right over there.
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<Captain> Oh, well, that was easy.
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